Yes, but it moves you to being the hardened Goddard-reader you want to be who’d never hold his coffee when opening a post. Think of it as a little drill sergeant prank …
OT. Did a run up to Oxford, MI and back Wednesday. I was rather stunned by the difference that I noticed while driving along I-69 E. The budding and leafing of their deciduous foliage is more than a week and possibly 10 days behind what it is here in Central Indiana. That is a straight line distance of only 232 mi. NE from my terminal in Anderson, IN to my delivery point in Oxford, MI. The last two winters have been pretty tough up there and it shows.
I know too much about computers to be comfortable with such automation. I might not be averse to warning systems that might alert the driver though. I would be curious how this deals with slower moving traffic … if it tries to pass, or just goes more slowly. Also if there is a driver ahead trying to change lanes and you have a clear view, I doubt if this system would ever bother to flash headlights.
Well the USN did the first in flight refueling of a drone recently: http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/images/X-47B-refueling-04-2015.jpg
PATUXENT RIVER, Md. (April 22, 2015) The Navy’s unmanned X-47B receives fuel from an Omega K-707 tanker while operating in the Atlantic Test Ranges over the Chesapeake Bay. This test marked the first time an unmanned aircraft refueled in flight. (U.S. Navy photo)
But would I fly in an aircraft without a pilot? HELL NO!
I could possibly see unmanned trucks someday on certain limited access roads, but think it’s a very long way off for normal driving conditions. Seems to me it would be one heck of a lot easier to eliminate the engineer on a train, but they sure haven’t done that yet for general service now have they? When they do, then I’ll start thinking that possibly the days of the over road truck driving are limited.
BTW one has to drive over a gravel road to get to where I delivered Wed.
AAM MSP Industries
45 W. Oakwood Rd.
Oxford, MI 48371 1631
Computer driven road trains are already in our neck of the woods. Every 15 minutes, 24 hours a day, a 4 trailer road train takes iron ore on the hilly and bendy road 300 km to the Wyndham Port. The computer does it all except hold the steering wheel. The amount of gear changes needed are too much for a driver, and too tough if they get it wrong. So far, so good.
Iron ore trains in the Pilbara are now driven by operators in Perth, over 1500 km away, so too is much of the machinery they use.
My Freightliner has an automatic in it also. Many trucks on the road do these days. They aren’t the hydrostatic type like in an automobile. They are like a manual transmission that is actuated by air pressure and controlled by a computer.
But I do the braking or accelerating, steering, signaling, and what would be most difficult for a computer, ANTICIPATE! Situational Awareness is the first key to safe driving and that is what a computerized vehicle is going to have to be able to master and it’s going to have to use information it senses a half mile ahead of it at highway speeds.
rah,
I agree. It is looking down the road and figuring out what the guy ahead, behind and beside you is going to do that is the difference between a good driver and a bad driver.
I backseat drive because my husband is terrible at anticipating the moves of other drivers. I really wish I could get him to use his mirror more.
So Canada has now jumped on the surpress the citizens band wagon. GEE aren’t those Muslim Jihadists ‘Terrorists’ useful for our wannna be tyrants.
I really did not like this:
…Despite nationwide protests across Canada, the lawmakers have passed the controversial anti-terrorism bill, known as Bill C-51, thus granting the country’s spy agency extra powers and carte blanche to operate overseas for the first time….
It is worth looking up Bosch Fawstin and visiting his website. His history as a boy growing up in a NYC Muslim family is eye opening. The men in his family were brutal not only to the women but also to the children. The religion as his family practiced it, was a religion of HATE and contempt for those who are weaker.
Unfortunately google ignores half the words in my search. I remember him writting that a family member casually kicked his wife down the stairs while talking to the other men and no one even hesitated in speach or notices. I remember him saying he and his sibs and mother were beaten and also him coming home to find his mother crying because his older sister had a female baby. When asked why? She said the baby was born into a life of brutality because it was female or words to that effect. (Hubby’s trying to find the link.)
In looking with BING I found this very interesting hit. islamophoNia BY BOSCH FAWSTINAfter experiencing ever-increasing persecution and problems with service by Google, we’re abandoning Blogspot and transitioning this blog to the main historyscoper.com site….
It is a travesty that the state department should deny this nun a visa. Considering all the illegal aliens that are welcomed there is no good reason to deny this woman. Hopefully she can still testify via remote video link or some such.
What is worse, drawing a picture of a leader 900+ years dead (and if he never had a picture drawn, how do we really know these cartoons are of him?) or a brute of a husband / father.
ok so drawing or possessing the likeness of the profit Muhamud is a sin punishable by death. How does any of those people know what the profit looked like or if we are making a likeness of the profit. What do they use for comparison.
Ie. i could draw a picture of a lamp and they could say “that’s a likeness of the profit muhamud”
What do you expect from a religion that claims that the sun sets in a muddy spring, travels underground, and then re-emerges the next morning elsewhere and repeats. What do you expect from a religion that advocates lying. What do you expect from a religion that urges its followers to follow the example of a cold-blooded, lying, cheating, stealing, murdering pedophile. What do you expect from a religion that has done nothing significant to further civilization in all the time it has existed.
OK so you are showing your ignorance.
They take the second commandment seriously, unlike Christians and Judeans.
“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.”, you see they believe that God said this.
Nothing to do with the Prophet, that is why they destroy statues, and you will not find paintings by Muslims, calligraphy is their art.
Of course they do not like people mocking their prophet, unlike America where it is amusing to urinate on a picture representing Christ.
So PJ London DEFENDS people who will behead anyone who they think offends them. People who consider the rape of girls and the beating and stoning of women ‘JUSTICE’
I suggest that PJ London head for ISIS territory and join the Terrorists since he is politically aligned with them. Maybe if he kisses enough arses they won’t behead him but I would not bet on it.
“…the real Islamophobes are the leftist PC Islam appeasers, because it takes real fear to pretend that a religion whose believers slaughter each other daily is bringing the world peace. Islam the religion isn’t intellectually respectable….” Islamophobia? – From an islam Apostate who knows the REAL islam after living in the islam hell as a child and young man.
Islamophobia? A phobia is an irrational fear. With doomed desperate Islam, it’s irrational not to fear it and keep vigilant, because Islam wants you to fear it so it can dominate the world. This recently coined newspeak word is a reverse psychology con by Muslim and pro-Muslim disinfo. artists to make you stick your head in the sand to aid their infiltration so they can turn the West into a living hell like the Middle East. It’s not the West, but the Muslim World that must go, along with all its hate and fearmongering. Now they’ve declared a caliphate, which is gaining followers daily, and will eventually make it mandatory for all Muslims worldwide to go on jihad, making Muslims in the West into agents of a foreign power and enemy combatants in their midst. So yes, we should all fear Islam, but not fear to fight it, and hate and despise it too, openly and proudly. Islam is a huge mental straightjacket of lies and fraud and hate, threatening to send humanity back to the Dark Ages, and it must go, it really must go. Sorry, leftist PC useful idiots, Muslims aren’t our friends. The Quran commands them to be enemies of all non-Muslims, and befriend them only under false pretenses for an ultimate victory. Allowing them to immigrate to the West without apostasizing first is wrong and sick. Yes, their big oil bucks allow them to pervert the media and govt., so listen to what they say but watch what they do, and work, watch, and wait for the joyous day of the Great Muslim Apostasy when hundreds of millions tweet that they’re chucking Islam, Allah, Muhammad and his Great Jihad and dancing in the streets with Jews, asking for help in being absolved of their crimes and rejoining the human race in a new Middle East that’s a credit to the world instead of an eyesore. The U.N. has made a big mistake in admitting Muslim nations, who know very well that criticism of Islam is the seed, and apostasy the fruit. Instead of going with their program of criminalizing criticism of Islam, the U.N. should expel any member nation that continues to criminalize criticism of Islam or apostasy. The future must belong to those who apostasize from Islam. If the worse comes and Europe goes, America will never fall, and will be victorious in the end.
He also makes it clear he believes that a majority of Americans are anti-christian. This despite the fact that to this day, as it was with the Colonials, there are more Christian Churches in the United States than any other public structure type. About 350,000 of them in 2013 http://www.numberof.net/number-of-churches-in-us/
PJ i have been to saudi arabia, many pieces of art, engraving, obelisks,
how do you identify what is art or a functional piece.
is it in the eye of the beholder,
i would guess PJ that you have many idols in you home, think of the emblems on you car, iPhone, home appliances, you name
and last time i checked this is america, we are strong enough to with stand mocking.
it must be a weak religion that does not tolerate debate.
Unlike you, I have a life beyond silly comments on the internet.
You may have a Muslim “Heritage” but absolutely no knowledge of Islam or the Quran, your misleading statements are ridiculous, out of context and insulting to everyone’s intelligence.
Not only does Islam accept and include “People of the Book” i.e. Christians and Jews, they anticipate meeting them in Paradise. Unlike the Jews Gehenna and the Christians Heaven. (As in “no man cometh unto the Father, except….”)
The Quran says that the Jews and Muslims will live peaceably together in the Land that is now called Israel, Jerusalem, it is not the Muslims who are the problem.
It is interesting that there was NO “Muslim” problem until the US wanted to rid Afghanistan of the Russians. Before that there was no such thing (in the modern world) as Jihadists, but of course that means nothing to you.
I am not Muslim, I just can’t stand the stupidity of blind hatred and lies that you and your ilk spew forth to aggravate and demonise good people. the 1,499 billion muslims who are not in the pay of the CIA and do not go around creating a “Strawman Islam” so that you can carry on paying for the MIC to rule and ruin your lives, whilst incidentally destroying millions of innocents.
Your attitude and beliefs will not change, nor will mine, discussion forums such as this make things worse.
“Group Polarization refers to the tendency for groups to make decisions that are more extreme than the initial inclination of its members. These more extreme decisions are towards greater risk if individuals’ initial tendencies are to be risky and towards greater caution if individuals’ initial tendencies are to be cautious. The phenomenon also holds that a group’s attitude toward a situation may change in the sense that the individuals’ initial attitudes have strengthened and intensified after group discussion.”
Internet research has shown that positions become more entrenched rather than more flexible, so I know I am wasting my efforts.
However some other person without your bias may come across my comments and actually do some research and thinking. Research is simple, read the context of the Quran (and the Bible, Talmud) and see how dishonest are the quotes and attitudes such as yours. Investigate the creation of the Taliban, Al Qaeda and now ISIS/L. See that the leaders in each case were under American influence and CIA pressure, before they became these “Monsters”.
Read the history of Islam, preferably by historians and not propagandist liars, and see that Islam only calls “Pan theists” and “Atheists” infidels and only calls on them to become worshippers of the “one god” regardless of whether they call him Allah, God or Jehova.
You know, like the Pope does.
“Bernard of Clairvaux, at the request of Pope Eugenius III, preached a new crusade of, “Total extermination of the Heathen – or definitive conversion!” in 1115.”
“I implore you to recognize the Church as a lady and in the name of the Pope take the King as lord of this land and obey his mandates. If you do not do it, I tell you that with the help of God I will enter powerfully against you all. I will make war everywhere and every way that I can. I will take your women and children and make them slaves…The deaths and injuries you will receive from here on will be your own fault and not that of his majesty nor of the gentlemen that accompany me. –“The Requirement”, read by Spaniards (in Latin) to native tribes they encountered in the New World
Keep your mid dull and your blinkers on, but don’t pretend that you are “Christian” for I am one with Gandhi ;
Mahatma Gandhi — ‘I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.’
RAH
At no point do I claim or say that I believe that Americans are “Anti Christian” either read the text or stop lying.
What I said was that Americans did nothing when someone “Urinated” on a picture of Christ, and that they ignore the second commandment.
What does that have to do with Colonials, the number of churches or any thing else?
What I said was that Christians claim that the Bible is the literal word of God, that the Commandments are “His” commandments, and yet they ignore them, and that certain of the Muslims follow the Commandments
Don’t try putting your lying interpretations onto my comments, I am not an “Fox News” ignoramus.
Scott Allen
What is it with people who can’t read?
The second commandment says “.. any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.”
Obelisks, Inscriptions engravings etc did not show any likeness, and were “Calligraphy!”
I am sure that you did not see any pictures of people, animals etc, except in private homes, and those not in devout Muslim homes.
Car emblems, appliances, are you serious?
The only “Picture” that I saw in Kuwait was a depiction of a dream (circa 1985) which prophesied the destruction of Kuwait. It was permitted because it was a “Prophecy”. Islam permits pictures of current persons and events e.g. newspapers, as it clearly does not fall under “Graven Images”, but why not research for yourself and discover how silly you sound.
I do not have any “idols” in my home, as I do not subscribe to any of your religions, I detest the practitioners equally. The concepts, doctrines and basis of religions are great and applaudable, it is the practitioners that are so despicable.
I don’t “Hate” Christians, or Jews or Muslims, I just can’t stand by and watch the lies and deliberate distortion of truth create a world wherein neither I nor any other principled sentient being would wish to live.
The second commandment says “.. any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.” that is your quote, do you know what is in heaven or beneath the earth or in the water under the earth to know what likeness you are not to replicate, if you did not make that journey, personally, do you know someone who did. so can you give us a list.
Can you tell me on a map where this heaven is, where exactly is beneath the earth, once you get to the middle of the earth you are gone to the opposite side. the same question applies to the water under the earth.
you say there were no jihadist before the Russians invaded, what about the muslim brother hood of the 1920’s, and the numerous jihadist before them. The term jihad and jihadist comes directly from the koran and the hadith. the ancient text of “the book of jihad” explains how and why you carry out jihad, and was written long before the us was a country.
and what about the holy stone in mecca, is that not an idol?
Scott Allen
“Do I know everything under ….” You are arguing like an idiot, strawman and misdirection, such antics are unworthy.
The Muslim Brotherhood, was not, is not and will not be Jihadists. They were a political party, in Turkey, Egypt and across the world, just as the Baath party, the Democrats and “The Christian Voice”, the “Moral Majority” and the German party, the Christian Democrats.
The Book of Jihad is a collection of the sayings of Mohammed, regarding Jihad.
For instance
I heard the Messenger of Allah (?) saying: “He who dies while defending his property is a martyr; he who dies in defence of his own life is a martyr; and he who dies on defense of his faith is a martyr, he who dies in defence of his family is a martyr.”
[Abu Dawud and At- Tirmidhi].
and (with regard to Iraq et al.)
A man came to the Messenger of Allah (?) and asked, “O Messenger of Allah! What shall I do if someone comes to me with the intention of taking away my property?” He replied, “Do not hand over it to him.” The man asked, “What shall I do if he fights me?” The Messenger of Allah (?) said, “Then fight him.” “What will be my position in the Hereafter if he has killed me?” The Messenger of Allah (?) replied, “In that case you are a martyr.” The man asked: “What if I killed him?” The Messenger of Allah (?) replied, “He will be in the Hell- fire.”
[Muslim].
You choose to use only one meaning of the word, and in fact choose what is known as “The Lesser Jihad”
Muslims and scholars do not all agree on its definition. Many observers—both Muslim and non-Muslim, as well as the Dictionary of Islam, talk of jihad having two meanings: an inner spiritual struggle (the “greater jihad”), and an outer physical struggle against the enemies of Islam (the “lesser jihad”)which may take a violent or non-violent form.
Even by your definition of struggle against others, it was commonly a non-violent struggle.
As the Prophet said in the Hadith, nothing is Holy about either the Kaaba or the Black Stone. They are not objects of worship. They are only part of Allah Almighty’s House of Worship. Also, Islam, Prophet Muhammad, and the House of GOD Almighty (Kaaba) in the Arabian Desert prophesied in the previous Scriptures.
Before Islam, the Kabaa was used to store Idols of many Gods, and pilgrims were charged to visit and view the idols. Islam rejected this per Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy “You are not to make worthless idols, images, or pillars for yourselves, nor set up for yourselves carved images to bow down to them in the land, because I am the LORD your God.”
Somewhat similar to the Prophet Moses
“When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. And he took the calf the people had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.”
If you want to discuss the subject try and be a little knowledgeable, and stop the ridiculous cant.
pj my question still stands what images, idols he you seen in heaven, below the earth and sea,
i you believe that only calligraphy is allow in the muslim religion, yet you write in new roman times font and on a computer that contains images. shouldn’t you be writing on papyrus and in real ink
Scot Allan
First and foremost little Scotty I have repeatedly said that I am not a Muslom what part of that do you not understand?
” my question still stands what images, idols he you seen in heaven, below the earth and sea,”
Your question makes no sense, read the verse and ask a priest what it means.
“i you believe that only calligraphy is allow in the muslim religion, yet you write in new roman times font and on a computer that contains images. shouldn’t you be writing on papyrus and in real ink”
Fonts have nothing to do with Islam, Papyrus? are you really that ignorant, real ink? WTF.
Get a life or at least an education.
Thank you, Steven, for your great sense of humor. That is one of our best weapons in this reenactment of the classic struggle between selfishness and selflessness.
As each of us awaken to reality: George Orwell correctly predicted our future in the novel he started writing in 1946, “Nineteen Eighty-Four,” it is natural to lash out in anger at those who adjusted, hid or ignored data that conflicted with:
The AGW (anthropological global warming) dogma for climatologists
The SSM (standard solar model) of H-filled stars for solar and space scientists
Yukawa’s SNM (standard nuclear model) for nuclear and theoretical physicists
The BBC (Big Bang Cosmology) model for cosmologists and theoretical physicists,
but they are NOT at fault. With very few exceptions, every mainstream scientist must find, bend, ignore or adjust evidence to support Big Brother’s ‘consensus science.’
Do not despair.
The force of creation of every atom, life and world in the solar system appears to be benevolently guided by the conscious and intelligent Mind that Max Planck acknowledged in his 1944 speech at Florence, Italy on the “Matrix of Matter.”
I do not understand it myself, but human selfishness would probably have already destroyed the human species if not for this benevolent force.
I.e., we need to be loving and tolerant – as far as possible – toward those who have not yet awakened to reality and are still caught in Big Brother’s matrix of deceit.
Whether it’s a religion or a political movement, the most effective critics are always those who were once believers….
.BF: The Infidel came from my desire to respond to 9/11 through my art. While I’m not a soldier, I want retribution against those who had a good day on 9/11. My Muslim background played a part in my desire to take on this subject, and having left Islam years before 9/11 helped me fully absorb the truth about it with no problem. I had initially planned to write and draw a Captain America story, but I realized that there would be no way in hell that Marvel Comics would allow me to say what I had to say about Islam, nor would they allow me to have Cap do what needed to be done to this enemy. I then stepped back and started thinking about what would be the perfect hero to fight against Jihad. Enter Pigman…..
BF: I didn’t so much abandon Islam as fade away from it, and I didn’t have much faith to lose to begin with. It’s tough to say you’ve left something if you’ve never really embraced it. Hugh Fitzgerald is right in saying “the atmospherics of Islam” can affect even the least devout Muslim in a detrimental way. A strong thrust within Islam is to see any and all things outside of Islam as worthless, most particularly non-Muslims. When we did go to mosque there was never any real sense that something important was taking place. The majority of us who were involved in this pretense had no idea what to do, unless we followed the imam’s prayer moves (and many in attendance were fooling around anyway). “Islam” was the name of the thing that was held as ‘the good’ in my household, and it was that vagueness which helped keep it at bay. It was only when I started taking morality seriously that I realized Islam had nothing to offer me.
BF:…There is no “Political Islam” or “Totalitarian Islam” that is distinguishable from Islam itself. Islam is normatively political and totalitarian. We have evaded the true meaning of Islam in the name of respect for religion. But we cannot avoid the consequences of doing so. Mohammed was a Muslim and his religion was Islam; he was not an Islamist practicing Islamism. He was a Muslim who practiced Islam and engaged in its violent Jihad, forcing Islam into a world it failed to get into on merit. And any Muslim who is peace-loving and tolerant is by implication condemning their violent, intolerant “prophet” and the means by which their religion was spread. How Islam spread tells us exactly what Islam means. When the moral standard for an entire culture is a bad guy who crossed the line as a way of life, it explains why his most devout followers are the most violent among Muslims. We can try our best to stay clear of Islam, but Muslims have proven that they will never keep Islam to themselves unless they are forced to. It is a faith that sanctions any evil against those who are not part of it. Our not calling this evil by its name, Islam, is sanctioning it and leaving ourselves at the mercy of those who will stop at nothing to bury all we hold dear.….. http://www.islam-watch.org/ExMuslims/Mohammed-to-Ayn-Rand.htm
Politicians don’t give a hoot because it is OUR LIVES and not THEIR LIVES on the line.
BF: If 2,996 American politicians were murdered on 9/11, do you think Washington would have been interested in exonerating Islam and allowing this enemy to kill again? We all know the answer. Our politicians are so disconnected from the American people, that they now do everything but their job. If they can’t defend us, they’re good for nothing. They think that their job in this war is to win hearts and minds that already belong to Islam. And while they dispassionately wage a war on “terror”, not jihad, they allow the two greatest state sponsors of jihad terrorism, Saudi Arabia and Iran, to remain in business. For now, our government goes big on us and small on jihad, while telling us that we are not fighting a war against Islam, even though Islam is fighting a war against us.
If the last plane had hit the White House or Congress the politicians would have sat up and taken notice. Instead they sanction the building of a VICTORY MOSQUE on the site of the deaths on thousands of Americans. link
The interview with Bosch Fawstin
What living as a Muslim is like.
BF: I deal with Islam’s inherent hostility towards women in the book in a number of ways….
Women are considered a necessary evil in Islam since they are the only way to deliver male Muslims into the world. I was shocked as a teenager to see that the reaction to the birth of a girl in my family was the same as if someone had died. It was mainly Muslim women who responded this way, no doubt because they understood too well the mistreatment these girls likely would receive. For others, it could have been that Islam got to them so deeply that they really did believe women were just no damn good. Islam has pitted men against women and the Islamic culture’s humanity has been crippled by it, to absolutely no one’s benefit, no matter what male Muslims believe. In general, I think Muslim women have more power over Muslim males than does Islam itself; and this fact is to be covered up at all times. Literally…..
So when Mohammed got really desperate to spread Islam, he went for the hard sell and told his dupes that if they threw their lives away for his ideology, they’d be guaranteed 72 slavish virgins to do with as they please. Misogynists killing and dying for women, only in Islam.
More on 9/11, sleazy politicians and their giving the American public the finger.
Do not forget 9/11 was on September 11, 2001 and in Kazakhstan, Islam is the religion of about 70% of the population. The Hill-Billy Cash Pump
….What may be less known is how the Clinton double-scam works. Take, first of all, the so-called Clinton Foundation,….
Founded in 2001, when Bill had just left office, it boasts a staff of 350, mostly Clinton cronies and insiders.
Once liberated from the White House, Bill hit the lecture circuit, collecting $105.5 million dollars through 2012 and raising hundreds of millions of dollars for the Clinton Foundation. Significantly, his biggest payments came not from sources in the United States but from foreign investors, businesses and governments…hungry for access to the corridors of American power….
Meanwhile, Hillary, as a U.S. Senator, was “gaining influence and power.” During her tenure, “two-thirds of Bill’s enormous speaking fees [came] from foreign sources.” After she became Secretary of State, Bill’s income from speaking fees “ballooned.” Tens of millions of dollars “flowed to the Clinton Foundation from the foreign governments of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates, as well as from dozens of foreign financiers.”….
in 2005, “Bill Clinton found himself, of all places, in Almaty, Kazakhstan,” ostensibly to help the country’s AIDS patients — a miniscule number, between 0.1 and 0.3,% of the population — but in reality to procure a deal with Kazakh dictator Nursultan Nazarbayev, [Religion – Sunni Islam]…..
Giustra’s company, UrAsia Energy, wanted access to Kazakh mining…..
And then UrAsia Energy merged with a South African/Canadian company called Uranium One, of which the same Ian Telfer would soon become chairman. The merger’s largest shareholders happily began writing multimillion dollar checks to the Clinton Project and its latest bastard child, the Clinton Giustra project. Telfer committed $3 million.
Senator Hillary was silent through all of this, even though a part of the deal involved – incredibly — Clinton’s nominating the dictator and human rights abuser Nazarbayev as chairman of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Even Joe Biden objected to this farce, but ultimately the dictator was awarded the chairmanship.…..
Nursultan Nazarbayev is someone worth looking into.
Yea it’s about time for an update on that lawsuit. Isn’t it about time that discovery should start? I mean that’s where the real meat of that is going to be.
Looks like PJ London has swallowed whole the lies told by the Muslims.
From those who know Islam from the inside:
Who are we?
We are a group of Muslim apostates, who have left Islam out of our own conviction when we discovered that Islam is not a religion at all. Most of us took a prolonged period of time to study, evaluate and contemplate on Islam, the religion of our birth. Having meticulously scrutinized Islam, we concluded that it is not a religion of peace at all, as touted by smooth-talking, self-serving Muslims and their apologists from non-Muslim backgrounds. The core of Islam—namely the Qur’an, Hadis and Sharia—is filled with unbounded hatred of the unbelievers, unbelievably intolerant toward them, and extremely cruel and merciless to those Muslims, who dare to deviate from its doctrines.
We also realized that Islam is beyond reformation, because Muslims—who attempt to modernize and reform its unremitting bigotry, irrational rituals, and cruel and draconian punitive measures—are targeted for annihilation. Our verdict was that the only way to escape from the tyranny of Islam is to leave it altogether. We have, therefore, discarded Islam from our life, so that we can be free to enjoy a normal, pleasant and humane life in complete harmony with all peoples on earth, irrespective of their religion, race or creed….. http://www.islam-watch.org/about-us.html
You do not find Jews or Christians who have left their religion saying anything similar.
Are their hypocrites in all religions? Of course and many Christians leave Christ in the Church parking lot.
You are extremely ignorant or deliberately uninformed.
For instance, your own preachers claim :
2. The Westboro Baptist Church directly addresses the question of its hatefulness and cruelty on its web site (www.godhatesfags.com): “Why do you preach hate? Because the Bible preaches hate. For every one verse about God’s mercy, love, compassion, etc., there are two verses about His vengeance, hatred, wrath, etc.”
Every Christian is an Apostate follower of Judaism
Deuteronomy tells you : The penalty for apostasy in Deuteronomy 13:1-10 is death.
That prophet or that dreamer (who leads you to worship of other gods) shall be put to death, because… he has preached apostasy from The Lord your God… If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or your intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods… do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him… You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God.
There are literally thousands of Apostate Christians who have issued their statements against the church. for example ;
Thomas Jefferson, (1743-1826) 3rd American president, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat. Deist, avid separationist.
“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”
“I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.”
“Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.”
“To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But a heresy it certainly is. Jesus told us indeed that ‘God is a spirit,’ but he has not defined what a spirit is, nor said that it is not matter. And the ancient fathers generally, if not universally, held it to be matter: light and thin indeed, an etherial gas; but still matter.” [letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820]
“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.” [Notes on Virginia]
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes” [Letter to von Humboldt, 1813].
“The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” [Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823]
“In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own” [Letter to H. Spafford, 1814].
“But a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandizing their oppressors in Church and State.”[in a letter to S. Kercheval, 1810]
There is also Madison, Adams, Darwin, Lincoln, Marx, Edison, Freud, Shaw, Wright, Einstein, Hemingway, Asimov, Galileo, Sagan, Hawkins, Clarke, King, Nietzsche, Allen, Anthony, Franklin, Poe, Clemens, Voltaire, Ingersoll, Russell, Wilde, Grant, Chaplin, Rand, Paine …… plus thousands more.
True they did not all get together and sing Kumbaya whilst denigrating the religion that they had left, the leave that sort of thing to “Luvvies” who have nothing better to do.
Mahatma Gandhi — ‘I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.’
So what did Gandhi say about the Muslims? My own experience but confirms the opinion that the Musalman as a rule is a bully, and the Hindu as rule is a coward.
So it looks like Gandhi realized the problems with Islam. Too bad you can’t and neither can our supposed leaders.
So what else did Gandhi say about Christianity? I know of no one who has done more for humanity than Jesus. In fact, there is nothing wrong with Christianity … The trouble is with you Christians. You do not begin to live up to your own teachings.
I heard of a well known Hindu having been converted to Christianity. It was the talk of the town that, when he was baptized, he had to eat beef and drink liquor, that he also had to change his clothes, and that thenceforth he began to go about in European costume including a hat. These things got on my nerves. Surely, thought I, a religion that compelled one to eat beef, drink liquor, and change one’s own clothes did not deserve the name. I also heard that the new convert had already begun abusing the religion of his ancestors, their customs and their country. All these things created in me a dislike for Christianity.
………….. he had to eat beef and drink liquor, that he also had to change his clothes, — What ever does that have to do with Christianity? Many Christians are against liquor. That is why I live in a dry (no alcohol) county.
……….
Gandhi was murdered by a Hindu BTW and the Nobel committee refused to ever give him the well deserved Peace Prize and instead gives it to an idiot like Obummer.
On 30th January 1948, whilst Gandhi was on his way to a prayer meeting at Birla House in Delhi, Nathuram Godse managed to get close enough to him in the crowd to be able to shoot him three times in the chest, at point-blank range….[Attempt number seven]
When news of Gandhi’s death reached the various strongholds of Hindu radicalism, in Pune and other areas throughout India, there was reputedly celebration in the streets. Sweets were distributed publicly, as at a festival….. http://www.history.co.uk/biographies/mahatma-gandhi
OH and P J London, if you want the views of your UK Muslims here is a cleric point blank saying YOU should be killed or converted. Or have you already converted?
He point blank says in his first words that the whole world should be under sharia and those who leave islam should be killed.
He later says Pam Geller deliberately had a cartoon contest and for that she should be put before a Sharia Court and killed.
As Pam Geller says, Christian law applies to Christians, Jewish law applies to Jews but SHARIA applies to the WHOLE WORLD.
Understand the message he is sending. SHARIA applies to the WHOLE WORLD. whether or not you are muslim SHARIA APPLIES TO YOU and if you are NOT muslim you are a second class citizen at best or a slave or dead.
Muslims thanks to the liberal apologists like you see your placating as a green light to enforce sharia world wide and they are doing so. So if our eunuch leaders don’t finally find some balls we are going to all be dead or slaves.
You do not read my comments, you cannot think, if I were mocking the Holocaust, (being deliberately provocative, like Geller) then I would be subjected to death threats and criminal “Hate” crimes.
If I were found guilty of Christian Heresy I would today be put to “Eternal damnation” (of course that is relatively recent, a hundred years or so ago I would have been burned.)
Jesus endorses Mosaic Law in Matthew 5:18 where he says: “For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” so if you are a Christian, you would follow his dictates, right?
What would you be put to death for under those laws?
Sexual acts
Having homosexual intercourse between men (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13)
Committing adultery between a man and a woman (Leviticus 20:10-12)
Lying about virginity (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)[3]
Being one of the majority of women that don’t bleed when losing your virginity (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)[4]
Being the daughter of a priest and practicing prostitution (Leviticus 21:9)[5]
Raping an engaged female virgin (Deuteronomy 22:25)[6]
If an engaged female virgin, being raped in a city (Deuteronomy 22:23-27)[7]
Being male and practicing bestiality (Leviticus 20:15)[8]
Being female and practicing bestiality (Leviticus 20:16)[8]
Having sex with your father’s wife (Leviticus 20:20)[9]
Having sex with your daughter-in-law (Leviticus 20:30)
Having incestual sex (Leviticus 20:17)
Marrying a woman and her daughter(Leviticus 20:14)[10]
Having sex with a woman who is menstruating (Leviticus 20:18)
A few of these crimes demand that the “sinners” be burned to death rather than stoned to death, the more usual form of capital punishment. One can wonder why these crimes in particular merit this especially horrible fate.[11]
[edit]Food and drink
Consuming blood (Genesis 9:4), Leviticus 17:10[12]
Eating a cheeseburger or anything that mixes meat and dairy (Exodus 23:19)
Sacrificing anything with yeast or honey (Leviticus 2:11)
Eating leavened bread (bread with yeast) during the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Exodus 12:15)
Eating fat (Leviticus 3:17)
Eating pork (Leviticus 11:7-8)
Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices (Leviticus 19:5-8)
Eating aquatic creatures lacking fins or scales (Deuteronomy 14:9-10)
Eating any meat not killed according to the Kosher practice (Deuteronomy 12:21)
Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean (Leviticus 7:20)
[edit]Religious
Being a male who is not circumcised. (Genesis 17:14)
Trying to convert people to another religion (Deuteronomy 13:1-11, Deuteronomy 18:20)[13]
Worshiping idols (Exodus 22:20, Leviticus 20:1-5, Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
Practicing magic (Exodus 22:18)[14]
Blaspheming (Leviticus 24:14-16, 23)
Breaking the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14, Numbers 15:32-36)
Consulting a psychic or spiritualist (Leviticus 19:31)
Being a psychic, medium or spiritualist (Leviticus 20:27)[15]
Being a town that believes in another, non-YHWH god (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)[16]
Giving one of your descendants to Molech (Leviticus 20:2)[17]
Not being a priest and going near the tabernacle when it is being moved (Numbers 1:51)
Being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5, Deuteronomy 18:20, Zechariah 13:2-3)
Performing any work on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10)
Going to the temple in an unclean state (Numbers 19:13)
Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple (Leviticus 17:1-9)
Manufacturing anointing oil (Exodus 30:33)
[edit]Violent and legal crimes
Murdering a slave (Exodus 21:26-27)[18]
Kidnapping and selling a man (Exodus 21:16)
Perjuring yourself (in certain cases) (Deuteronomy 19:15-21)[19]
Ignoring the judgement of a judge or a priest (Deuteronomy 17:8-13)
Not constraining a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman (Exodus 21:29)[20]
[edit]Parenting
Striking your parents (Exodus 21:15)
Cursing your parents (Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9)
Being a stubborn, rebellious, profligate, and drunkard son (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)[21]
[edit]Daily life
Planting more than one kind of seed in a field (Leviticus 19:19)
Wearing clothing woven of more than one kind of cloth (Leviticus 19:19)
Cutting the hair on the sides of your head or clipping of the edges of your beard (Leviticus 19:27)[22]
Touching the dead carcass of a pig (Deuteronomy 14:8)
Dressing across gender lines (Deuteronomy 22:5)
Things that don’t go anywhere else
Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites. (Deuteronomy 20:12-14)[23]
You claim to be Christian, do you support the death by various means for these “Crimes”?
As I said previously, I do not subscribe to any of the religions, all of them have laudable concepts and precepts, but their followers ignore the religion they claim to follow and do whatever suits them, almost always to the detriment of all others.
If you can’t be honest with yourself, at least try to present an honest front in your discourse, you never know, you might fool people into believing some of the things you espouse.
That has ZERO to do with islam in the USA. We have a Constitution and the Rule of Law. —- Supposedly —–
That rule of law is not being up held. Our Constitutional rights are being trampled, such as the right to assembly and free speech. Since 9/11 we have many very oppressive new laws supposedly aimed at “terrorism” but it is the normal American who is the one who is harassed while the islamists get a free pass despite a heck of a lot of proof they are dangerous! You really do think you can baffle us with bull shit don’t you?
Since you know so much about islam go read about Tuqyah.
Here, I will help you. (With luck the arabic will show.) This is directly from some muslims, the Ayah & Hadith of the day, spreading the message of islam.
And by the way one of the commenters at WUWT several years ago caught a co-worker who he was ‘friends’ with practicing Tuqyah. The guy was saying hate-filled things to his muslim friends and did not realize the commenter was in the next booth listening to all the hatred of Christians, the English, and him the muslim was spewing.
Muslims keep a low profile and practice Tuqyah until they have enough numbers to push forward their agenda (one source said ~10% of the population) That source which I read years ago describe the exact sequence of event we are now witnessing thanks to the emasculated politicians and MSM.
“The Tuqyah [practice of deception, lying or concealment for expediency]
is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.” Allah said,
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The Prohibition of Supporting the Disbelievers
Allah prohibited His believing servants from becoming supporters of the disbelievers, or to take them as comrades with whom they develop friendships,rather than the believers. Allah warned against such behavior when He said,
(And whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way) meaning, whoever commits this act that Allah has prohibited, then Allah will discard him. Similarly, Allah said,
(unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda’ said, “We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.” Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, “The Tuqyah is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.” Allah said,
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(And Allah warns you against Himself.) meaning, He warns you against His anger and the severe torment He prepared for those who give their support to His enemies, and those who have enmity with His friends,
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Allah encourages the believers to show enmity to the idolators and to dissociate from them, affirming that they do not deserve to enjoy a covenant of peace, because of their Shirk in Allah and disbelief in Allah’s Messenger .
If these disbelievers have a chance to defeat Muslims, they will cause great mischief, leave nothing unharmed, disregard the ties of kinship and the sanctity of their vows. `Ali bin Abi Talhah, `Ikrimah and Al-`Awfi narrated that Ibn `Abbas said, “Ill means kinship, while, Dhimmah means covenant.” Ad-Dahhak and As-Suddi said similarly.
Allah says, if the idolators with whom you conducted peace treaties for an appointed term break
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(their oaths) meaning, terms of their treaties, and covenants
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(and attack your religion…) with disapproval and criticism, it is because of this that one who curses the Messenger, peace be upon him, or attacks the religion of Islam by way of criticism and disapproval, they are to be fought. This is why Allah said afterwards,
Therefore, strike the swords upon the parts that contain the devil, for by Allah, it is better to me to kill one of these people than to kill seventy other men. This is because Allah said,
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(then fight (you) against the leaders of disbelief.)”
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Boy he sure does squirm around a lot doesn’t he? Just like Obummer he throws up past events from times long dead. Well we can do the same.
Since Obummer tossed the Crusades in the face of Christians who have been horrified about the slaughter of Christians in the middle east TODAY. Here is the REAL history by Dr Bill Warner
In the face of an ATTACK from her school (near me) a father and daughter grovel to the PC correctness Police.
….A contentious scene unfolded outside the Chapel Hill-Carrboro City Schools offices Wednesday morning when Ronald Creatore arrived to defend his daughter and ask questions of concerned students, parents and community members who were holding a news conference to call for punishment in the incident.….
The father of a student at East Chapel Hill High School said Wednesday that his daughter did not mean to offend anyone in late April when she posted a photo to social media of two Confederate flags with the caption “South will rise.”…
[The dughters apology]
I’m sorry that my picture offended people and especially since my initial caption (that I changed once I realized people took it seriously), but I’m currently on the Civil War trip learning about the history of our country and this just so happens to be a pretty (expletive) important part of it. We were reenacting Pickett’s charge in which the South lost 85% of their soldiers. These aren’t the Confederate flags in fact, they’re the North Carolina regimental flags. I’m proud to be a part of my state and I’m sorry my photo was so offensive but I find it appropriate in that I’m honoring heroes that fought to protect their home and families. Thanks though.
Eugene Farr, a former president of the Chapel Hill-Carrboro NAACP, said in a statement the school needs to respond with “firm and significant action.”
“As these students wave confederate flags and discuss ‘honoring heroes,’ they are raising a red flag about their mindset. We need to respond with firm and significant action. If we do not, racism and ignorance will show up in our schools again and again,” he said. “The confederate flag is a symbol heavy with the torture, abuse, and blood of enslaved people whose labor literally built our country. We will not tolerate this kind of behavior in the school district nor in the community.”
EXCUSE ME!!!! My neighbors fly the Confederate battle flag and the NC regimental flag all the time. One is quite the Civil War historian for the local area. We have Confederate reenactment groups at our festivals. I even had a black dude within the first week after I came to the south tell me exactly what this girl did. The “South will rise again” (He was talking economically and also about states rights.)
I have had southern blacks educate me more than once on the KLU KLUX KLAN and it is not the hog wash the PC police ram down our throats. The Klan was about restoring order in a lawless land full of recently freed slaves and northern carpet baggers thugs. There were many many women and very few southern men. Both white AND BLACK women were prayed upon by thugs and the Klan defended both the BLACK and the white women. The ‘governing’ body was northern and only interested in punishing and raping the south of what wealth she had left. It was completely lawless with no real Rule of Law for the southern white and black women.
I am getting DAMN SICK AND TIRED of the PC police and the Black and islam apologists ramming this CENSORSHIP down my throat and the throats of our children.
This young woman refused to marry her rapist and was sentenced to 2 years.
She appealed and was sentenced to 12 years.
Afghan jails are filled with women who refused to marry their rapists….
a Kabul court sentenced her to two years in prison under the label of “adultery by force.” When Gulnaz appealed this sentence she was found guilty yet again and it was increased to 12 years.
In order for Gulnaz to avoid prison and get her sentence reduced, she had to marry her attacker, Asadullah. In early 2013, without any other options, she exchanged vows with the rapist, and now over 2 years later, she is pregnant with his third child….
But during her interview with CNN, Gulnaz admitted that she only agreed to marry her rapist in order to give her eldest daughter, named Smile, the opportunity of a life without prejudice in the capital city of Afghanistan.
Speaking to CNN, via the Daily Mail, Gulnaz explained, “I didn’t wan to ruin the life of my daughter or leave myself helpless so I agreed to marry him. We are traditional people. When we get a bad name, we prefer death to living with that name in society.”
Throughout her interview, Gulnaz couldn’t even bring herself to look at Asadullah, who insists that he did his wife a favor by marrying her.
The funeral for Nadir Soofi, one of the two jihadis shot dead Sunday in Texas, was held Thursday at a mosque and community center in Kansas City that calls itself the Islamic Society of Greater Kansas City. While Soofi didn’t live in the area, his father and stepmother live in the nearby suburb of Overland Park, Kansas, and presumably they attend that mosque.
This is the same Islamic Society of Greater Kansas City that, in September 2012, exhibited its own deep respect for the First Amendment by starting an online petition urging Pres. Obama to sponsor a bill criminalizing insults to religion (no doubt with one particularly angry “religion” in mind, one that seems obsessively preoccupied with finding insults and psychopathically avenging them).
It is also the same Islamic Society of Greater Kansas City that hosted an appearance by Khalid Yasin (the Harlem-born former gang member, now Muslim convert and televangelist who preaches around the world), who has described the beliefs of Jews and Christians as “filth,” has called Zionists “the pigs and dogs of the earth,” and has called for the death penalty for homosexuals and lesbians. Yasin also believes, by the way, that HIV/AIDS was “devised” and spread by a conspiracy of the U.S. government, the World Health Organization, “Christian groups” and others, and that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job….. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/05/a_jihadists_funeral_in_kansas_city.html
Hate to tell you PJ London, your ‘victims’, the muslims, keep on showing themselves as being BULLYS and MURDERERS and uncivilized humans.
It sure is hard to play the victim card when the guys are intolerant and murders but keep on trying.
Does Terry Jones ring a bell?
Matt McLaughlin ? Mar 26, 2015 – A kill gays ballot initiative in California that would require anyone participating in same-sex sexual relations be killed “by bullets to the head”
A Tanzanian human rights group estimates that 500 suspected witches are killed in Tanzania annually. Where does it say “do not suffer a witch to live” Pretty much like Salem.
Nobody is playing the “Victim card” I am saying your washing 1.5 billion people with the actions of a few hundred, with no understanding of their culture or beliefs is inflammatory and despicable.
Not once have you acknowledged that 1,499,999,000 muslims have not bullied, murdered, or done any other dishonorable thing. Not once have you acknowledged the part that the USA played in the creation of the Mujahideen and the creation of the Takfiri.
Not once have you acknowledged the deliberate provocations of the young muslim men and women, if such provocations were aimed at Blacks or Jews, then you would blame the provocateurs and not the response.
This is why you are despicable, you want to judge the whole world on the “standards” of some of the people in the current USA, not even the USA of 50 years ago, never mind a hundred years. Most of the world does not want your culture, do not share your values and does not need your countrymen to tell them what is right and wrong.
the same as when you cast the wide net of christians over every one, matt mclaughlin, murfreesboro church et al. i don’t recall, but has if any of those “religious” persons thrown gays off of building and stoned them, have they cut anybodies head off.
you minimize the numbers of people, to minor 1,000, like you who believe in killing/re-eductating anyone who disagrees with you religion.
the us did not create the mujahideen nor did the us create the takfiri (which, as a scholar like you should know is based on a whabist principal, and shria law.
if you are a muslim to quote al einstien you are “bow blindly to conventional prejudices” 5 times a day.
again i am sorry for you.
PJ, you are very ignorant of facts. The majority of Muslims in many Muslim nations support Sharia lay, and support Jihad. In some middle east nations it is less then the majority, but a substantial portion. In the US, hate crimes against Jews far outweigh hate crimes against Muslims. The murder of many thousands in India, and many other non western nations, including blowing up hundreds of school children has ) to do with US policy. Sharia law is not compatible with civility.
“The majority of Muslims in many Muslim nations support Sharia lay,” (law?)
Duh yes
DEFINITION of ‘Sharia’ : Islamic religious law that governs not only religious rituals, but aspects of day-to-day life in Islam. Sharia, literally translated, means “the way.”
“and support Jihad.”
Duh yes
“The internal struggle (the greater jihad) is the effort to attain one’s essence; the external struggle (the lesser jihad) is the process of enabling someone else to attain his or her essence.”
“Sharia law is not compatible with civility.”
1.5 billion people live under Sharia. You are being ignorant and spouting the Fox news BS.
Go back to sleep, reality is too complex for you.
PJ you argue like a typical liberal. if your are not winning a argument you personalize your attack
calling me “scotty” does not enhance your misguided arguments.
you call it idol worshiping and quote that idols that are not allowed in heaven etc, are forbidden. who has been to those places to report back what constitutes an idol in those places. or who his see the profit muhamud to know what he looks like, to insure that the people who are drawing true likeness of muhamud are in violation of your rule.
second the only form of art/writing you allow is calligraphy. true calligraphy is done with pen ink and paper.
third muslims bow down and face mecca and the holy stone, if that is not idol worship i don’t know what in your mind constitutes idol worship.
“you call it idol worshiping and quote that idols that are not allowed in heaven etc, are forbidden. who has been to those places to report back what constitutes an idol in those places. or who his see the profit muhamud to know what he looks like, to insure that the people who are drawing true likeness of muhamud are in violation of your rule.”
Do you actually speak English?
Idols are not allowed in heaven? where did I say that?
what constitutes an idol? why not look in a dictionary and find the definition?
drawing true likeness of muhamud are in violation of your rule.: this is just nonsense, read the second commandment and try to understand it, ask a priest or someone to explain it to you.
true calligraphy is done with pen ink and paper : ‘A contemporary calligraphic practice can be defined as, “the art of giving form to signs in an expressive, harmonious, and skillful manner”. can be in any medium, ink paint, or sculpture.’
“Calligraphy has arguably become the most venerated form of Islamic art …. Istanbul is an open exhibition hall for all kinds and varieties of calligraphy, from inscriptions in mosques to fountains, schools, houses, etc” Nothing about Papyrus and ink.
third muslims bow down and face mecca and the holy stone : they face Mecca nothing to do with the Kabaa, Islam specifically forbids veneration of the Kabaa.
“The orientation of churches is the architectural feature of orientating, or facing churches towards the east (Latin: oriens). The orientation of churches towards the liturgical east has persevered until the present day in a number of Christian denominations.”
“The Jewish custom of fixing the direction of prayer and orienting synagogues (Mizrah) influenced Christianity during its formative years. In early Christianity, it was customary to pray facing toward the Holy Land.”
So every time a Christian faces the Altar, they are praying to idols?
Idol per the Book is Graven Images of things in “heaven” (stars, sun moon etc.) on the earth (rocks , animals, trees, people etc) or in the seas (Neptune, Poseidon, fish whales etc.) All of which had been called gods by some religions.
I know you are trying to be provocative, but even so…..
these are your interpretations of other writers, and you have chosen to read and believe what you want from the various passages(i did notice that you just used quotation mark and did not cite the source), to pick and choose.
i believe in american that is your right. most muslim countries you would not have that right.
however i am going to bring your arguments to my imam, he will probably issue a fatwa against you for what he believes, to be your blaspheme, because I’m sure somewhere someone has written it, and will thus order some type of punishment, does that sound familiar.
I sorry for you that you are unwilling to allow people to hold views that differ from yours.
Did not cite the source : use google.
“i believe in american that is your right. most muslim countries you would not have that right.” : Islamic Disputation Theory: A Study of the Development of Dialectic in Islam from the Tenth Through Fourteenth Centuries
November 2014 : World Forum for Proximity of the Islamic Schools of Thought underscored, “Takfiri moves are indicative of faked Islam”.
“The Islamic World is like a family, and disputation and disagreement may be observed in any family,” said Hojjatol Islam Val Moslemin Shahroudi.
Disagreement and discourse is the very basis of Islam, do you understand the difference between Sunni and Shia and Sufi and Takfiri and Wahabbi, or are they all just “Muslims” to you?
With regard my opinions and your prejudices:
“Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly. ” – Albert Einstein
and finally
“Opinions are like orgasms… mine matters most and I really don’t care if you have one.”
— Sylvia Plath
Sunni and Shia and Sufi and Takfiri and Wahhabi kill each other brutally and regularly, for centuries. When not doing that, they often practice submit or die.
This dark age mentality has, for the most part, died in Christians, Hindus, and Jews. Islam needs to play catch up, not bang ban more ketchup color to everybody else.
David your ignorance is abysmal.
Sufi scholars have defined Sufism as “a science whose objective is the reparation of the heart and turning it away from all else but God”.[7] Alternatively, in the words of the Darqawi Sufi teacher Ahmad ibn Ajiba, “a science through which one can know how to travel into the presence of the Divine, purify one’s inner self from filth, and beautify it with a variety of praiseworthy traits”.
Shia and Sunni have not been killing each other for centuries any more (or less) than Catholic and Protestant, Hindu and Sikh, or any other schism.
“This dark age mentality has, for the most part, died in Christians, Hindus, and Jews. ” you are kidding right?
In most western peoples the “Christian banner” has been replaced with the “Democracy” cries and “Science”
Bernard of Clairvaux, at the request of Pope Eugenius III, preached a new crusade of, “Total extermination of the Heathen – or definitive conversion!” in 1115.
“Climate deniers should be killed”
“Accept democracy or we will bomb you to the stone age”
Nothing changes except the names and excuses.
Read the “Requirement” here is part :
“I will make war everywhere and every way that I can. I will take your women and children and make them slaves…The deaths and injuries you will receive from here on will be your own fault and not that of his majesty nor of the gentlemen that accompany me. ”
His majesty Clinton/Bush/Obama
Here is a thought “If God did not love Arabs and Muslims, why did he give them so much Oil?”
PJ where do you think the black rock bowed to in Mecca came from? Give you a hint it was worshipped well before Islam. It was usurped by Mo to reinvent himself. Moon worship anyone. The crescent moon gives a good clue,
You obviously cannot read as I made the point in comments above.
1 Black rock before Islam
2 Islam prohibits veneration of Black Rock
3 As in other religions which face the holy lands or sources, they face toward Mecca not the rock. Jews face Jerusalem, Christians face the East or rising Sun (Risen Son)
4 “Mo to reinvent himself”, you really are a fool
5 No the moon and star do not feature in Islamic symbols, “Though recognized widely as a symbol of Islam, the Star and Crescent does not actually have Muslim or Islamic origins. This symbol was used as insignia by the Ottoman Empire, a powerful Muslim power that ruled for long over an extensive area. For the Western world, the Ottomans represented Islam and therefore, they started associating the Star and Crescent with Islam. In fact, these are believed to be celestial symbols that were used by the ancient Siberians and Central Asians to worship the Sky Gods, the Sun and the Moon”
The star, moon features in several others and the Sun as a Symbol features in Christianity, e,g, Sunday, Christmas et al.
In the Middle Ages, the star and crescent combination was not associated with Islam, and does appear in Christian iconography. The use of the crescent symbol (without the star) on Muslim flags is first seen by Europe during the Crusades.
Other than that of course, you are absolutely right.
It’s good to have a theologician and Islamic scholar explain things to the Islamophobic rubes here. They need to listen to Fahad Qureshi, the Chairman of Islam Net, at the Islam Peace Conference in Oslo 2013 (ca. 4,000 attendees):
3:10
“These are general views that every Muslim actually has. Every Muslim believes in these things. Just because they are not telling you about it, or just because they are not out there in the media, doesn’t mean that they don’t believe in them.”
3:25
“So I will ask you, everyone in the room: How many of you are normal Muslims – you’re not extremists, you’re not radical – just normal Sunni Muslims? Please raise your hands.”
3:41
“Everybody, M? sh?? All?h! Subh?n All?h. OK, take down your hands again.”
…
4:08
“Next question. How many of you agree that the punishments described in the Qur’an and the Sunnah – whether it is death, whether it is stoning for adultery, whatever it is, if it is from Allah and his Messenger, that is the best punishment ever possible for humankind, and that is what we should apply in the world. Who agrees with that?”
4:38
“All?hu Akbar! Are you all radical extremists? Subh?n All?h. So, all of you are saying that you are common Muslims, you all go to the different mosques in Norway. Or are you like a specific sect, like the Islam Net sect, or anything like that? Are you like that? No. Is it … Are you like that? Please raise your hand if you are like that extreme Islam, that sect, or anything like that? No one, All?hu Akbar.
5:09
“How many of you just go to these normal mosques in Norway, the normal Sunni mosques? Please raise your hands. “
5:17
All?hu Akbar! So, what’s the politicians going to say now? What’s the media going to say now? That we are all extremists? We are all radicals? We all need to be deported from this country?”
Thanks Colorado,
I have no great affection for Islam (or any other “faith”), I merely detest bigotry in all its’ forms.
I have met wonderful Muslims, and Christians and Hindus and Buddhists, as well as D**kheads of all kinds.
The first and most important (and totally ignored) facet of Islam is “Merciful”
It is the first aspect of Allah, and the most revered “grace” of a Muslim. That is why although the punishments are severe, the harmed party gains enormous prestige by “forgiving: the persons who committed a crime (harm) against them.
As in “Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”, a completely forgotten tenet of Christianity.
This is why 100 people may be sentenced to death for conspiring to murder (say Saddam) and none of them are actually executed.
That is why I forgive all those bigots, however I still enjoy mocking them, no doubt I will have to answer for that someday.
Peace.
The mosque even posted his $100,000 bond when he was arrested, although now they’re lying about that, too. Will authorities investigate this mosque, or are they too busy drawing up the latest condemnation of Pamela Geller? “Phoenix Mosque Caught Lying About Ties to Texas Would-Be Jihadist Killer,” by Patrick Poole, PJ Media, May 7, 2015: http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/05/07/phoenix-mosque-caught-lying-about-ties-to-texas-would-be-jihadist-killer/
….What the newly leaked chapter reveals is that you could be forced to pay more for medicines, movies, computer games and software. Under the TPP we would see whistleblowers and journalists prosecuted for revealing business secrets, according to secret trade negotiations released by WikiLeaks…..
All of this comes as the previously leaked chapters of the TPP have shown dire implications for our economy. In the intellectual property section, which deals with pharmaceutical, agriculture and internet freedoms, it would allow multinational corporations to challenge country laws, suing in international court presided over by unelected bureaucrats who are often former corporate lawyers.
As this chapter is leaked, some members of Congress want to introduce Fast Track Authority to Congress, meant to guarantee the passage of the TPP as quickly as possible. TPP and Fast Track must be stopped! Call your congressional representative today and tell them to vote no on Fast Track and to stop the TPP! http://economyincrisis.org/content/leaked-trans-pacific
Gunmen Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi were carrying explosives before they were shot. Their actions have prompted the government to keep a closer eye on ‘marginal’ or ‘borderline’ suspects in a bid to stop potential threats.
Because Pam Geller drew them out, she exposed their network and because she was careful she did so without getting anyone killed. The FBI are now going after the exposed sources and are gathering intel from their computers. Seems Geller may have smoked out a terror structure.
…Peter Bergen of the New America Foundation think tank told a Senate hearing Sunday’s attack was a sign of things to comer in terms of homegrown terrorism. ‘ Sunday’s attack is a harbinger of what we will see in the future.’….
Another senior official told the station there was a sense of ‘panic’ and ‘crisis’ inside the bureau as their infrastructure is ill-equipped to deal with the flow of homegrown terrorists.
Yeah, sure ‘Homegrown Terroists’ The Media STILL refuses to call them by name ISLAMIC JIHADISTS! It is ISLAM that is the spreading cancer not normal Americans but normal Americans keep getting the smear.
MIAC Report: Ron Paul Supporters Labeled Domestic Terrorists?
The general rule for me is if Alex Jones says it, don’t take it seriously. And that’s what I said on Thursday to several friends that e-mailed me a link to a story about how the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) basically correlates libertarians and more specifically supporters of Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin, with potentially being a domestic terrorist or member of a militia.
Some news stories out of Missouri helped with the credibility of the story, especially an article from the Columbia Tribune:
Titled “The Modern Militia Movement,” the report is dated Feb. 20 and designed to help police identify militia members or domestic terrorists. Red flags outlined in the document include political bumper stickers such as those for U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, talk of conspiracy theories such as the plan for a mega-highway from Canada to Mexico and possession of subversive literature.
But when Neal read the report, he couldn’t help but think it described him. A military veteran and a delegate to the 2008 Missouri Republican state convention, he didn’t appreciate being lumped in with groups like the Neo-Nazis.
“I was going down the list and thinking, ‘Check, that’s me,’ ” he said. “I’m a Ron Paul supporter, check. I talk about the North American union, check. I’ve got the ‘America: Freedom to Fascism’ video loaned out to somebody right now. So that means I’m a domestic terrorist? Because I’ve got a video about the Federal Reserve?”
[…]
[S]tate law enforcement officials said the report is being misinterpreted. Lt. John Hotz of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said the report was compiled by the Missouri Information Analysis Center based in Jefferson City and comes purely from publically available, trend data on militias.
Hotz said MIAC, which opened in 2005, is a “fusion center” that combines resources from the federal Department of Homeland Security and other agencies. It was set up to collect local intelligence to better combat terrorism and other criminal activity, he said….
….This isn’t the first time a state has done this either. In 2007, the Alabama Department of Homeland Security issued a similar report. It was later removed.
Ask yourself why “militia movements” have been created inside the United States? You can’t blame people for mistrusting or being skeptical of elected officials, even law enforcement. Conspiracy theorists are always going to exist, and as much as I make fun of them, I can’t blame them either because of how secretive government tries to be or your Attorney General tells you there is no right to habeas corpus or when memos surface about suspending protected rights or politicians attempt to disarm law-abiding citizens or when it uncontrollably spends taxpayer dollars and runs up a massive debt.
Like I said, you can’t blame them.
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Dr. Ben Carson (Presidential candidate] was also targeted. Dr. Ron Paul was pulled over and subject to frisking when getting onto his private plane. The IRS has specifically targeted Conservative groups….
…Critics of Pamela Geller, organizer of the “Draw the Prophet” event in Garland, Texas last Sunday, should realize that while she may have intended to provoke a negative reaction from extreme Islamists, she shares something in common with civil rights leader the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., says Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz…..
King purposely picked some of the cities he led protests in precisely in order to bring out the racists and show what kind of violent people they are, Dershowitz said
“It’s part of the American tradition to provoke so that the world can see,” he said.…. “The Kelly File.”
Western nations continue to see a flow of people, mainly young adults, attempting to enter Syria and Iraq to either fight for ISIS or to marry into the marauding army. Despite efforts at the State Department to counter enemy propaganda with some harsh realities about life the so-called caliphate, ISIS’ attraction has continued almost unabated. While Westerners may be mystified at the phenomenon, the Department of Justice’s National Security division warns that people have underestimated the sophistication and reach of ISIS propaganda…..
ISIS terrorists are expertly using hip hop music, video games and even children to successfully recruit young people to their violent cause. That assessment comes today from the FBI and from top U.S. counterterrorism officials, who say the ISIS social media machine is sophisticated, prolific, and unprecedented.
“They are shooting out into the ether-sphere thousands and thousands of messages a day, over 90,000 a day and it’s to millions of people across the globe,” John Carlin, the head of the Justice Department’s National Security Division told ABC News Correspondent Pierre Thomas. “What they are trying to do is to convince young people to go slaughter civilians in a vicious war.”
The online messaging is slick — far broader and more subtle than the vicious beheading videos the public is too familiar with, according to Scott Talan, a social media and marketing professor at American University. Talan viewed about a dozen ISIS propaganda videos with ABC News’ Pierre Thomas, and said he is shocked by the quality of the messaging the terror group is putting out.
“This is sophisticated. It is Madison Avenue meets documentary film making meets news channel with sensibilities and marketing value,” Talan said.
Our government is very very dysfunctional.
From the 133 page FOIA document obtained from the Department of Defense entiled: AFSS 0910 EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND TREATMENT INCIDENTS (EOTI) LESSON PLAN obtained by Judicial Watch
LESSON EMPHASIS
This lesson will focus on awareness and current issues requiring the attention of future Equal Opportunity Advisors. It will also provide information that describes sources of extremism information, definitions, recruitment of DoD personnel, common themes in extremist ideologies, common characteristics of extremist organizations, DoD policies, and command functions regarding extremist activities. ……
RECOMMENDED READING
Seven Stage Hate Model, FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin March
Southern Poverty Law Center is the one who stated presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson was an extremist But it gets even more ridiculous: Extermist groups include “a mine, a brand of gun oil and a bar sign.” It would be funny if the DOD did not declare them an ‘official source’ of extremist information.
In the case of the Cartoon Contest SPLC’s talking head is who the media used to call Pam Geller “controversial” and “provocative” while defending the Jihadists. Nice to know the source of our news can’t tell the difference between a metal and plastic bar sign and guys with bombs, body armor and a gun. YUPPERS, that bar sign is the REAL danger to America — SHEESH! No wonder there are so many dhimmi apologists!
….Many media outlets relied on the expert opinion of the Southern Poverty Law Center, a multi-million dollar mail order scam disguised as a civil rights group, which had listed AFDI as a hate group. Also listed as hate groups were a number of single author blogs, including mine, a brand of gun oil and a bar sign.
The bar sign, which hangs outside a bar seven miles outside Pittsburgh, appears to be made out of metal and plastic. It is reportedly unaware that it is a hate group and has made no plans to take over America.
The SPLC’s inability to conduct even the most elementary fact checking did not stop news networks from inviting its talking head on to suggest that AFDI got “the response that they — in a sense — they are seeking.” Neither CNN nor MSNBC were impolitic enough to mention that no AFDI supporter had used its materials to plan a killing spree, while at least one of SPLC’s supporters had done just that.
But being “controversial” and “provocative” has nothing to do with who is doing the shooting. It’s a media signal that the target shouldn’t be sympathized with. The Family Research Council, which was shot up by a killer using the SPLC’s hate map, is invariably dubbed “intolerant”. The SPLC, which targeted it, is however a “respected civil rights group” which provides maps to respected civil rights gunmen….. link
And if that is not enough to prove we have a real problem look at who is on Obummer’s short list for the Supreme Court! Can you get any STUPIDER THAN THIS!
Elton Simpson, one of the jihadists shot in Garland Texas was taped using the words
“fight” and “get to the ‘battlefield’ in Somalia,” Is that not perfectly clear? What does she want the guy to hold a knife to her throat? So she let the guy go and he ended up dead. Where is the outrage?
…Elton Simpson had already been on the radar of the FBI. He should have been in jail, but Judge Mary H. Murguia, a Clinton appointee who has been bandied about as a possible Obama Supreme Court nominee, chose to believe a claim by his public defender that when he was taped talking about Jihad, it might have meant “an internal struggle to maintain faith”, instead of killing non-Muslims.
Simpson had said that Allah loves those who fight non-Muslims, that Jihadists go to paradise and stated, “I’m tellin’ you man. We gonna make it to the battlefield… it’s time to roll.”
But that was just too ambiguous for Judge Murguia, who wrote, “It is true that the Defendant had expressed sympathy and admiration for individuals who “fight” non-Muslims as well as his belief in the establishment of Shariah law, all over the world including in Somalia. What precisely was meant by “fighting” whenever he discussed it, however, was not clear.”
“Neither was what the Defendant meant when he stated he wanted to get to the ‘battlefield’ in Somalia,” she added.
If nothing else, events like these help clarify the question of just what “fighting” non-Muslims involves, and whether it’s an internal struggle to maintain faith or an external struggle waged with assault rifles.
Satire helps expose the idiocy and absurdity of our betters, whether it’s Gary Trudeau or Judge Murguia. Every act of Islamic terror discredits them and their dishonest worldview even further. And they know it….
That was a mean trick to play. I nearly spilled my coffee.
Yes, but it moves you to being the hardened Goddard-reader you want to be who’d never hold his coffee when opening a post. Think of it as a little drill sergeant prank …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLYtit7vFAg
The image you posted will cause offence,
I suppose freedom of speech is your defence?
“Now it will pleasure the Prophet that we come to shoot you in the ankle”- ISIS
He forgot his flag & black uniform
John the Kook didn’t
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/1_herrcook.jpg
OT. Did a run up to Oxford, MI and back Wednesday. I was rather stunned by the difference that I noticed while driving along I-69 E. The budding and leafing of their deciduous foliage is more than a week and possibly 10 days behind what it is here in Central Indiana. That is a straight line distance of only 232 mi. NE from my terminal in Anderson, IN to my delivery point in Oxford, MI. The last two winters have been pretty tough up there and it shows.
Curious what rah’s response to self driving trucks might be …
http://www.truckingnewsonline.com/news/self-driving-freightliner-truck-licensed-amid-fanfare-2/6660/
I know too much about computers to be comfortable with such automation. I might not be averse to warning systems that might alert the driver though. I would be curious how this deals with slower moving traffic … if it tries to pass, or just goes more slowly. Also if there is a driver ahead trying to change lanes and you have a clear view, I doubt if this system would ever bother to flash headlights.
Well the USN did the first in flight refueling of a drone recently:
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/images/X-47B-refueling-04-2015.jpg
PATUXENT RIVER, Md. (April 22, 2015) The Navy’s unmanned X-47B receives fuel from an Omega K-707 tanker while operating in the Atlantic Test Ranges over the Chesapeake Bay. This test marked the first time an unmanned aircraft refueled in flight. (U.S. Navy photo)
But would I fly in an aircraft without a pilot? HELL NO!
I could possibly see unmanned trucks someday on certain limited access roads, but think it’s a very long way off for normal driving conditions. Seems to me it would be one heck of a lot easier to eliminate the engineer on a train, but they sure haven’t done that yet for general service now have they? When they do, then I’ll start thinking that possibly the days of the over road truck driving are limited.
BTW one has to drive over a gravel road to get to where I delivered Wed.
AAM MSP Industries
45 W. Oakwood Rd.
Oxford, MI 48371 1631
Computer driven road trains are already in our neck of the woods. Every 15 minutes, 24 hours a day, a 4 trailer road train takes iron ore on the hilly and bendy road 300 km to the Wyndham Port. The computer does it all except hold the steering wheel. The amount of gear changes needed are too much for a driver, and too tough if they get it wrong. So far, so good.
Iron ore trains in the Pilbara are now driven by operators in Perth, over 1500 km away, so too is much of the machinery they use.
My Freightliner has an automatic in it also. Many trucks on the road do these days. They aren’t the hydrostatic type like in an automobile. They are like a manual transmission that is actuated by air pressure and controlled by a computer.
But I do the braking or accelerating, steering, signaling, and what would be most difficult for a computer, ANTICIPATE! Situational Awareness is the first key to safe driving and that is what a computerized vehicle is going to have to be able to master and it’s going to have to use information it senses a half mile ahead of it at highway speeds.
rah,
I agree. It is looking down the road and figuring out what the guy ahead, behind and beside you is going to do that is the difference between a good driver and a bad driver.
I backseat drive because my husband is terrible at anticipating the moves of other drivers. I really wish I could get him to use his mirror more.
In a world looking more and more like a police state.
http://rt.com/news/256425-canada-terrorism-bill-passed/
So Canada has now jumped on the surpress the citizens band wagon. GEE aren’t those
Muslim Jihadists‘Terrorists’ useful for our wannna be tyrants.I really did not like this:
Have you seen the cartoon that won the contest? It’s a political cartoon that is more thoughtful and less extreme than many other political cartoons. It’s sad that some people would object to it. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/05/the_muhammad_cartoon_that_won_the_draw_muhammad_contest.html
It is worth looking up Bosch Fawstin and visiting his website. His history as a boy growing up in a NYC Muslim family is eye opening. The men in his family were brutal not only to the women but also to the children. The religion as his family practiced it, was a religion of HATE and contempt for those who are weaker.
Unfortunately google ignores half the words in my search. I remember him writting that a family member casually kicked his wife down the stairs while talking to the other men and no one even hesitated in speach or notices. I remember him saying he and his sibs and mother were beaten and also him coming home to find his mother crying because his older sister had a female baby. When asked why? She said the baby was born into a life of brutality because it was female or words to that effect. (Hubby’s trying to find the link.)
In looking with BING I found this very interesting hit.
islamophoNia BY BOSCH FAWSTIN After experiencing ever-increasing persecution and problems with service by Google, we’re abandoning Blogspot and transitioning this blog to the main historyscoper.com site….
US denies visa to nun set to testify about ISIS atrocities
It is a travesty that the state department should deny this nun a visa. Considering all the illegal aliens that are welcomed there is no good reason to deny this woman. Hopefully she can still testify via remote video link or some such.
Worse than a travesty. It really is thought control by ‘our betters’ inside the beltway.
Took a quick look at one of the picture series on his post and ran across this.
http://www.timetobreak.com/252711/20-breathtaking-pictures-of-the-human-race/2/
What is worse, drawing a picture of a leader 900+ years dead (and if he never had a picture drawn, how do we really know these cartoons are of him?) or a brute of a husband / father.
ok so drawing or possessing the likeness of the profit Muhamud is a sin punishable by death. How does any of those people know what the profit looked like or if we are making a likeness of the profit. What do they use for comparison.
Ie. i could draw a picture of a lamp and they could say “that’s a likeness of the profit muhamud”
What do you expect from a religion that claims that the sun sets in a muddy spring, travels underground, and then re-emerges the next morning elsewhere and repeats. What do you expect from a religion that advocates lying. What do you expect from a religion that urges its followers to follow the example of a cold-blooded, lying, cheating, stealing, murdering pedophile. What do you expect from a religion that has done nothing significant to further civilization in all the time it has existed.
OK so you are showing your ignorance.
They take the second commandment seriously, unlike Christians and Judeans.
“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.”, you see they believe that God said this.
Nothing to do with the Prophet, that is why they destroy statues, and you will not find paintings by Muslims, calligraphy is their art.
Of course they do not like people mocking their prophet, unlike America where it is amusing to urinate on a picture representing Christ.
So PJ London DEFENDS people who will behead anyone who they think offends them. People who consider the rape of girls and the beating and stoning of women ‘JUSTICE’
I suggest that PJ London head for ISIS territory and join the Terrorists since he is politically aligned with them. Maybe if he kisses enough arses they won’t behead him but I would not bet on it.
“…the real Islamophobes are the leftist PC Islam appeasers, because it takes real fear to pretend that a religion whose believers slaughter each other daily is bringing the world peace. Islam the religion isn’t intellectually respectable….”
Islamophobia? – From an islam Apostate who knows the REAL islam after living in the islam hell as a child and young man.
OH, and PJ, my heritage is Muslim…..
He also makes it clear he believes that a majority of Americans are anti-christian. This despite the fact that to this day, as it was with the Colonials, there are more Christian Churches in the United States than any other public structure type. About 350,000 of them in 2013 http://www.numberof.net/number-of-churches-in-us/
PJ i have been to saudi arabia, many pieces of art, engraving, obelisks,
how do you identify what is art or a functional piece.
is it in the eye of the beholder,
i would guess PJ that you have many idols in you home, think of the emblems on you car, iPhone, home appliances, you name
and last time i checked this is america, we are strong enough to with stand mocking.
it must be a weak religion that does not tolerate debate.
Unlike you, I have a life beyond silly comments on the internet.
You may have a Muslim “Heritage” but absolutely no knowledge of Islam or the Quran, your misleading statements are ridiculous, out of context and insulting to everyone’s intelligence.
Not only does Islam accept and include “People of the Book” i.e. Christians and Jews, they anticipate meeting them in Paradise. Unlike the Jews Gehenna and the Christians Heaven. (As in “no man cometh unto the Father, except….”)
The Quran says that the Jews and Muslims will live peaceably together in the Land that is now called Israel, Jerusalem, it is not the Muslims who are the problem.
It is interesting that there was NO “Muslim” problem until the US wanted to rid Afghanistan of the Russians. Before that there was no such thing (in the modern world) as Jihadists, but of course that means nothing to you.
I am not Muslim, I just can’t stand the stupidity of blind hatred and lies that you and your ilk spew forth to aggravate and demonise good people. the 1,499 billion muslims who are not in the pay of the CIA and do not go around creating a “Strawman Islam” so that you can carry on paying for the MIC to rule and ruin your lives, whilst incidentally destroying millions of innocents.
Your attitude and beliefs will not change, nor will mine, discussion forums such as this make things worse.
“Group Polarization refers to the tendency for groups to make decisions that are more extreme than the initial inclination of its members. These more extreme decisions are towards greater risk if individuals’ initial tendencies are to be risky and towards greater caution if individuals’ initial tendencies are to be cautious. The phenomenon also holds that a group’s attitude toward a situation may change in the sense that the individuals’ initial attitudes have strengthened and intensified after group discussion.”
Internet research has shown that positions become more entrenched rather than more flexible, so I know I am wasting my efforts.
However some other person without your bias may come across my comments and actually do some research and thinking. Research is simple, read the context of the Quran (and the Bible, Talmud) and see how dishonest are the quotes and attitudes such as yours. Investigate the creation of the Taliban, Al Qaeda and now ISIS/L. See that the leaders in each case were under American influence and CIA pressure, before they became these “Monsters”.
Read the history of Islam, preferably by historians and not propagandist liars, and see that Islam only calls “Pan theists” and “Atheists” infidels and only calls on them to become worshippers of the “one god” regardless of whether they call him Allah, God or Jehova.
You know, like the Pope does.
“Bernard of Clairvaux, at the request of Pope Eugenius III, preached a new crusade of, “Total extermination of the Heathen – or definitive conversion!” in 1115.”
“I implore you to recognize the Church as a lady and in the name of the Pope take the King as lord of this land and obey his mandates. If you do not do it, I tell you that with the help of God I will enter powerfully against you all. I will make war everywhere and every way that I can. I will take your women and children and make them slaves…The deaths and injuries you will receive from here on will be your own fault and not that of his majesty nor of the gentlemen that accompany me. –“The Requirement”, read by Spaniards (in Latin) to native tribes they encountered in the New World
Keep your mid dull and your blinkers on, but don’t pretend that you are “Christian” for I am one with Gandhi ;
Mahatma Gandhi — ‘I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.’
RAH
At no point do I claim or say that I believe that Americans are “Anti Christian” either read the text or stop lying.
What I said was that Americans did nothing when someone “Urinated” on a picture of Christ, and that they ignore the second commandment.
What does that have to do with Colonials, the number of churches or any thing else?
What I said was that Christians claim that the Bible is the literal word of God, that the Commandments are “His” commandments, and yet they ignore them, and that certain of the Muslims follow the Commandments
Don’t try putting your lying interpretations onto my comments, I am not an “Fox News” ignoramus.
Scott Allen
What is it with people who can’t read?
The second commandment says “.. any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.”
Obelisks, Inscriptions engravings etc did not show any likeness, and were “Calligraphy!”
I am sure that you did not see any pictures of people, animals etc, except in private homes, and those not in devout Muslim homes.
Car emblems, appliances, are you serious?
The only “Picture” that I saw in Kuwait was a depiction of a dream (circa 1985) which prophesied the destruction of Kuwait. It was permitted because it was a “Prophecy”. Islam permits pictures of current persons and events e.g. newspapers, as it clearly does not fall under “Graven Images”, but why not research for yourself and discover how silly you sound.
I do not have any “idols” in my home, as I do not subscribe to any of your religions, I detest the practitioners equally. The concepts, doctrines and basis of religions are great and applaudable, it is the practitioners that are so despicable.
I don’t “Hate” Christians, or Jews or Muslims, I just can’t stand by and watch the lies and deliberate distortion of truth create a world wherein neither I nor any other principled sentient being would wish to live.
The second commandment says “.. any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.” that is your quote, do you know what is in heaven or beneath the earth or in the water under the earth to know what likeness you are not to replicate, if you did not make that journey, personally, do you know someone who did. so can you give us a list.
Can you tell me on a map where this heaven is, where exactly is beneath the earth, once you get to the middle of the earth you are gone to the opposite side. the same question applies to the water under the earth.
you say there were no jihadist before the Russians invaded, what about the muslim brother hood of the 1920’s, and the numerous jihadist before them. The term jihad and jihadist comes directly from the koran and the hadith. the ancient text of “the book of jihad” explains how and why you carry out jihad, and was written long before the us was a country.
and what about the holy stone in mecca, is that not an idol?
Scott Allen
“Do I know everything under ….” You are arguing like an idiot, strawman and misdirection, such antics are unworthy.
The Muslim Brotherhood, was not, is not and will not be Jihadists. They were a political party, in Turkey, Egypt and across the world, just as the Baath party, the Democrats and “The Christian Voice”, the “Moral Majority” and the German party, the Christian Democrats.
The Book of Jihad is a collection of the sayings of Mohammed, regarding Jihad.
For instance
I heard the Messenger of Allah (?) saying: “He who dies while defending his property is a martyr; he who dies in defence of his own life is a martyr; and he who dies on defense of his faith is a martyr, he who dies in defence of his family is a martyr.”
[Abu Dawud and At- Tirmidhi].
and (with regard to Iraq et al.)
A man came to the Messenger of Allah (?) and asked, “O Messenger of Allah! What shall I do if someone comes to me with the intention of taking away my property?” He replied, “Do not hand over it to him.” The man asked, “What shall I do if he fights me?” The Messenger of Allah (?) said, “Then fight him.” “What will be my position in the Hereafter if he has killed me?” The Messenger of Allah (?) replied, “In that case you are a martyr.” The man asked: “What if I killed him?” The Messenger of Allah (?) replied, “He will be in the Hell- fire.”
[Muslim].
You choose to use only one meaning of the word, and in fact choose what is known as “The Lesser Jihad”
Muslims and scholars do not all agree on its definition. Many observers—both Muslim and non-Muslim, as well as the Dictionary of Islam, talk of jihad having two meanings: an inner spiritual struggle (the “greater jihad”), and an outer physical struggle against the enemies of Islam (the “lesser jihad”)which may take a violent or non-violent form.
Even by your definition of struggle against others, it was commonly a non-violent struggle.
As the Prophet said in the Hadith, nothing is Holy about either the Kaaba or the Black Stone. They are not objects of worship. They are only part of Allah Almighty’s House of Worship. Also, Islam, Prophet Muhammad, and the House of GOD Almighty (Kaaba) in the Arabian Desert prophesied in the previous Scriptures.
Before Islam, the Kabaa was used to store Idols of many Gods, and pilgrims were charged to visit and view the idols. Islam rejected this per Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy “You are not to make worthless idols, images, or pillars for yourselves, nor set up for yourselves carved images to bow down to them in the land, because I am the LORD your God.”
Somewhat similar to the Prophet Moses
“When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. And he took the calf the people had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.”
If you want to discuss the subject try and be a little knowledgeable, and stop the ridiculous cant.
pj my question still stands what images, idols he you seen in heaven, below the earth and sea,
i you believe that only calligraphy is allow in the muslim religion, yet you write in new roman times font and on a computer that contains images. shouldn’t you be writing on papyrus and in real ink
Scot Allan
First and foremost little Scotty I have repeatedly said that I am not a Muslom what part of that do you not understand?
” my question still stands what images, idols he you seen in heaven, below the earth and sea,”
Your question makes no sense, read the verse and ask a priest what it means.
“i you believe that only calligraphy is allow in the muslim religion, yet you write in new roman times font and on a computer that contains images. shouldn’t you be writing on papyrus and in real ink”
Fonts have nothing to do with Islam, Papyrus? are you really that ignorant, real ink? WTF.
Get a life or at least an education.
Thank you, Steven, for your great sense of humor. That is one of our best weapons in this reenactment of the classic struggle between selfishness and selflessness.
As each of us awaken to reality: George Orwell correctly predicted our future in the novel he started writing in 1946, “Nineteen Eighty-Four,” it is natural to lash out in anger at those who adjusted, hid or ignored data that conflicted with:
The AGW (anthropological global warming) dogma for climatologists
The SSM (standard solar model) of H-filled stars for solar and space scientists
Yukawa’s SNM (standard nuclear model) for nuclear and theoretical physicists
The BBC (Big Bang Cosmology) model for cosmologists and theoretical physicists,
but they are NOT at fault. With very few exceptions, every mainstream scientist must find, bend, ignore or adjust evidence to support Big Brother’s ‘consensus science.’
Do not despair.
The force of creation of every atom, life and world in the solar system appears to be benevolently guided by the conscious and intelligent Mind that Max Planck acknowledged in his 1944 speech at Florence, Italy on the “Matrix of Matter.”
I do not understand it myself, but human selfishness would probably have already destroyed the human species if not for this benevolent force.
I.e., we need to be loving and tolerant – as far as possible – toward those who have not yet awakened to reality and are still caught in Big Brother’s matrix of deceit.
Pam Geller squares off with Muslim on FOX NEWS -VIDEO
http://nydn.us/1DTEvRI
VERY VERY GOOD!
It outs the Muslims as murderous supressor of humans.
She held her position, was fantastic!!
I FOUND IT!!!
The interview with Bosch Fawstin, 15 Apr, 2009
Excerpts — Political
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Bosch Fawstin gets to the heart of the matter.
Politicians don’t give a hoot because it is OUR LIVES and not THEIR LIVES on the line.
If the last plane had hit the White House or Congress the politicians would have sat up and taken notice. Instead they sanction the building of a VICTORY MOSQUE on the site of the deaths on thousands of Americans. link
The interview with Bosch Fawstin
What living as a Muslim is like.
Karin McQuillan article at American Thinker is excellent.
Conservative pundits for sharia?
And this American Thinker Article.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/05/heads_up_mayor_athas.html
(Do not hold coffee while reading.)
It’s a good letter but I’m afraid Jan LaRue scrambled the letters of the mayor’s name.
Ashat?
Come on, Gail, show some manners. Can’t you say Mayor Ashat?
Triple Lol on this one!!!
This has got to take the cake as one of the best posts ever.
Mikey Mann has SPOKEN! ” Four out of five scientists agree … the sun has nothing to do with whether it is light outside or dark.’
http://imgick.pennlive.com/home/penn-media/width620/img/midstate_impact/photo/14184955-mmmain.jpg
Hide the Decline:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqc7PCJ-nc
I love that song. Too bad their satirical songs are not more popular.
More on 9/11, sleazy politicians and their giving the American public the finger.
Do not forget 9/11 was on September 11, 2001 and in Kazakhstan, Islam is the religion of about 70% of the population.
The Hill-Billy Cash Pump
Nursultan Nazarbayev is someone worth looking into.
Is he a pedophile like their “prophet”, too?
careful Mark Steyn got sued over writing something like that.
This is the article in question.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/309442/football-and-hockey-mark-steyn
Yea it’s about time for an update on that lawsuit. Isn’t it about time that discovery should start? I mean that’s where the real meat of that is going to be.
Looks like PJ London has swallowed whole the lies told by the Muslims.
From those who know Islam from the inside:
You are extremely ignorant or deliberately uninformed.
For instance, your own preachers claim :
2. The Westboro Baptist Church directly addresses the question of its hatefulness and cruelty on its web site (www.godhatesfags.com): “Why do you preach hate? Because the Bible preaches hate. For every one verse about God’s mercy, love, compassion, etc., there are two verses about His vengeance, hatred, wrath, etc.”
Every Christian is an Apostate follower of Judaism
Deuteronomy tells you : The penalty for apostasy in Deuteronomy 13:1-10 is death.
That prophet or that dreamer (who leads you to worship of other gods) shall be put to death, because… he has preached apostasy from The Lord your God… If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or your intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods… do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him… You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God.
There are literally thousands of Apostate Christians who have issued their statements against the church. for example ;
Thomas Jefferson, (1743-1826) 3rd American president, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat. Deist, avid separationist.
“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”
“I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.”
“Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.”
“To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But a heresy it certainly is. Jesus told us indeed that ‘God is a spirit,’ but he has not defined what a spirit is, nor said that it is not matter. And the ancient fathers generally, if not universally, held it to be matter: light and thin indeed, an etherial gas; but still matter.” [letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820]
“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.” [Notes on Virginia]
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes” [Letter to von Humboldt, 1813].
“The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” [Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823]
“In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own” [Letter to H. Spafford, 1814].
“But a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandizing their oppressors in Church and State.”[in a letter to S. Kercheval, 1810]
There is also Madison, Adams, Darwin, Lincoln, Marx, Edison, Freud, Shaw, Wright, Einstein, Hemingway, Asimov, Galileo, Sagan, Hawkins, Clarke, King, Nietzsche, Allen, Anthony, Franklin, Poe, Clemens, Voltaire, Ingersoll, Russell, Wilde, Grant, Chaplin, Rand, Paine …… plus thousands more.
True they did not all get together and sing Kumbaya whilst denigrating the religion that they had left, the leave that sort of thing to “Luvvies” who have nothing better to do.
I am not Christian! And neither is Obama’s Reverend Wright or the Westboro Baptist Church.
Religion has often been a cover for those who would rule from the shaman all the way down to the Divine Right of Kings.
Matthew 7:16-20King James Version (KJV)
Jesus warned of false prophets who would come in sheep’s clothing but who would have their own selfish motives to fulfill.
GEE do you think he was talking about Mohammed?
Sure sounds like it.
Mahatma Gandhi — ‘I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.’
So what did Gandhi say about the Muslims?
My own experience but confirms the opinion that the Musalman as a rule is a bully, and the Hindu as rule is a coward.
So it looks like Gandhi realized the problems with Islam. Too bad you can’t and neither can our supposed leaders.
So what else did Gandhi say about Christianity?
I know of no one who has done more for humanity than Jesus. In fact, there is nothing wrong with Christianity … The trouble is with you Christians. You do not begin to live up to your own teachings.
I heard of a well known Hindu having been converted to Christianity. It was the talk of the town that, when he was baptized, he had to eat beef and drink liquor, that he also had to change his clothes, and that thenceforth he began to go about in European costume including a hat. These things got on my nerves. Surely, thought I, a religion that compelled one to eat beef, drink liquor, and change one’s own clothes did not deserve the name. I also heard that the new convert had already begun abusing the religion of his ancestors, their customs and their country. All these things created in me a dislike for Christianity.
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he had to eat beef and drink liquor, that he also had to change his clothes, — What ever does that have to do with Christianity? Many Christians are against liquor. That is why I live in a dry (no alcohol) county.
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Gandhi was murdered by a Hindu BTW and the Nobel committee refused to ever give him the well deserved Peace Prize and instead gives it to an idiot like Obummer.
On 30th January 1948, whilst Gandhi was on his way to a prayer meeting at Birla House in Delhi, Nathuram Godse managed to get close enough to him in the crowd to be able to shoot him three times in the chest, at point-blank range….[Attempt number seven]
When news of Gandhi’s death reached the various strongholds of Hindu radicalism, in Pune and other areas throughout India, there was reputedly celebration in the streets. Sweets were distributed publicly, as at a festival…..
http://www.history.co.uk/biographies/mahatma-gandhi
OH and P J London, if you want the views of your UK Muslims here is a cleric point blank saying YOU should be killed or converted. Or have you already converted?
He point blank says in his first words that the whole world should be under sharia and those who leave islam should be killed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYCfP4Eg1B4
He later says Pam Geller deliberately had a cartoon contest and for that she should be put before a Sharia Court and killed.
As Pam Geller says, Christian law applies to Christians, Jewish law applies to Jews but SHARIA applies to the WHOLE WORLD.
Understand the message he is sending. SHARIA applies to the WHOLE WORLD. whether or not you are muslim SHARIA APPLIES TO YOU and if you are NOT muslim you are a second class citizen at best or a slave or dead.
Muslims thanks to the liberal apologists like you see your placating as a green light to enforce sharia world wide and they are doing so. So if our eunuch leaders don’t finally find some balls we are going to all be dead or slaves.
You do not read my comments, you cannot think, if I were mocking the Holocaust, (being deliberately provocative, like Geller) then I would be subjected to death threats and criminal “Hate” crimes.
If I were found guilty of Christian Heresy I would today be put to “Eternal damnation” (of course that is relatively recent, a hundred years or so ago I would have been burned.)
Jesus endorses Mosaic Law in Matthew 5:18 where he says: “For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” so if you are a Christian, you would follow his dictates, right?
What would you be put to death for under those laws?
Sexual acts
Having homosexual intercourse between men (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13)
Committing adultery between a man and a woman (Leviticus 20:10-12)
Lying about virginity (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)[3]
Being one of the majority of women that don’t bleed when losing your virginity (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)[4]
Being the daughter of a priest and practicing prostitution (Leviticus 21:9)[5]
Raping an engaged female virgin (Deuteronomy 22:25)[6]
If an engaged female virgin, being raped in a city (Deuteronomy 22:23-27)[7]
Being male and practicing bestiality (Leviticus 20:15)[8]
Being female and practicing bestiality (Leviticus 20:16)[8]
Having sex with your father’s wife (Leviticus 20:20)[9]
Having sex with your daughter-in-law (Leviticus 20:30)
Having incestual sex (Leviticus 20:17)
Marrying a woman and her daughter(Leviticus 20:14)[10]
Having sex with a woman who is menstruating (Leviticus 20:18)
A few of these crimes demand that the “sinners” be burned to death rather than stoned to death, the more usual form of capital punishment. One can wonder why these crimes in particular merit this especially horrible fate.[11]
[edit]Food and drink
Consuming blood (Genesis 9:4), Leviticus 17:10[12]
Eating a cheeseburger or anything that mixes meat and dairy (Exodus 23:19)
Sacrificing anything with yeast or honey (Leviticus 2:11)
Eating leavened bread (bread with yeast) during the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Exodus 12:15)
Eating fat (Leviticus 3:17)
Eating pork (Leviticus 11:7-8)
Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices (Leviticus 19:5-8)
Eating aquatic creatures lacking fins or scales (Deuteronomy 14:9-10)
Eating any meat not killed according to the Kosher practice (Deuteronomy 12:21)
Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean (Leviticus 7:20)
[edit]Religious
Being a male who is not circumcised. (Genesis 17:14)
Trying to convert people to another religion (Deuteronomy 13:1-11, Deuteronomy 18:20)[13]
Worshiping idols (Exodus 22:20, Leviticus 20:1-5, Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
Practicing magic (Exodus 22:18)[14]
Blaspheming (Leviticus 24:14-16, 23)
Breaking the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14, Numbers 15:32-36)
Consulting a psychic or spiritualist (Leviticus 19:31)
Being a psychic, medium or spiritualist (Leviticus 20:27)[15]
Being a town that believes in another, non-YHWH god (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)[16]
Giving one of your descendants to Molech (Leviticus 20:2)[17]
Not being a priest and going near the tabernacle when it is being moved (Numbers 1:51)
Being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5, Deuteronomy 18:20, Zechariah 13:2-3)
Performing any work on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10)
Going to the temple in an unclean state (Numbers 19:13)
Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple (Leviticus 17:1-9)
Manufacturing anointing oil (Exodus 30:33)
[edit]Violent and legal crimes
Murdering a slave (Exodus 21:26-27)[18]
Kidnapping and selling a man (Exodus 21:16)
Perjuring yourself (in certain cases) (Deuteronomy 19:15-21)[19]
Ignoring the judgement of a judge or a priest (Deuteronomy 17:8-13)
Not constraining a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman (Exodus 21:29)[20]
[edit]Parenting
Striking your parents (Exodus 21:15)
Cursing your parents (Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9)
Being a stubborn, rebellious, profligate, and drunkard son (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)[21]
[edit]Daily life
Planting more than one kind of seed in a field (Leviticus 19:19)
Wearing clothing woven of more than one kind of cloth (Leviticus 19:19)
Cutting the hair on the sides of your head or clipping of the edges of your beard (Leviticus 19:27)[22]
Touching the dead carcass of a pig (Deuteronomy 14:8)
Dressing across gender lines (Deuteronomy 22:5)
Things that don’t go anywhere else
Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites. (Deuteronomy 20:12-14)[23]
You claim to be Christian, do you support the death by various means for these “Crimes”?
As I said previously, I do not subscribe to any of the religions, all of them have laudable concepts and precepts, but their followers ignore the religion they claim to follow and do whatever suits them, almost always to the detriment of all others.
If you can’t be honest with yourself, at least try to present an honest front in your discourse, you never know, you might fool people into believing some of the things you espouse.
That has ZERO to do with islam in the USA. We have a Constitution and the Rule of Law. —- Supposedly —–
That rule of law is not being up held. Our Constitutional rights are being trampled, such as the right to assembly and free speech. Since 9/11 we have many very oppressive new laws supposedly aimed at “terrorism” but it is the normal American who is the one who is harassed while the islamists get a free pass despite a heck of a lot of proof they are dangerous! You really do think you can baffle us with bull shit don’t you?
Since you know so much about islam go read about Tuqyah.
Here, I will help you. (With luck the arabic will show.) This is directly from some muslims, the Ayah & Hadith of the day, spreading the message of islam.
And by the way one of the commenters at WUWT several years ago caught a co-worker who he was ‘friends’ with practicing Tuqyah. The guy was saying hate-filled things to his muslim friends and did not realize the commenter was in the next booth listening to all the hatred of Christians, the English, and him the muslim was spewing.
Muslims keep a low profile and practice Tuqyah until they have enough numbers to push forward their agenda (one source said ~10% of the population) That source which I read years ago describe the exact sequence of event we are now witnessing thanks to the emasculated politicians and MSM.
Wrong.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
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Boy he sure does squirm around a lot doesn’t he? Just like Obummer he throws up past events from times long dead. Well we can do the same.
Since Obummer tossed the Crusades in the face of Christians who have been horrified about the slaughter of Christians in the middle east TODAY. Here is the REAL history by Dr Bill Warner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
Since P J London does not like the example of Pam Geller and the cartoon contest, how about another one?
Chapel Hill Man Says Daughter’s Controversial Photo Taken ‘Out of Context’
In the face of an ATTACK from her school (near me) a father and daughter grovel to the PC correctness Police.
http://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/SouthWillRise.jpg
EXCUSE ME!!!! My neighbors fly the Confederate battle flag and the NC regimental flag all the time. One is quite the Civil War historian for the local area. We have Confederate reenactment groups at our festivals. I even had a black dude within the first week after I came to the south tell me exactly what this girl did. The “South will rise again” (He was talking economically and also about states rights.)
I have had southern blacks educate me more than once on the KLU KLUX KLAN and it is not the hog wash the PC police ram down our throats. The Klan was about restoring order in a lawless land full of recently freed slaves and northern carpet baggers thugs. There were many many women and very few southern men. Both white AND BLACK women were prayed upon by thugs and the Klan defended both the BLACK and the white women. The ‘governing’ body was northern and only interested in punishing and raping the south of what wealth she had left. It was completely lawless with no real Rule of Law for the southern white and black women.
I am getting DAMN SICK AND TIRED of the PC police and the Black and islam apologists ramming this CENSORSHIP down my throat and the throats of our children.
The politically correct ? Gays.
This is what the islamists do to gays. Of course it is rarely reported in the US MSM.
http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/somali_gay_stoning-150×96.jpg
Bound and blindfolded then thrown off a high building to die on rubble below: ISIS savages murder another ‘gay’ man.. then mob swarm to pelt the corpse with rocks….
http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/isis-gay.jpeg
http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/isis-gay-2.jpeg
Articles on Gay ‘Life’ under Islamic law (sharia)
Women and children both here, in Western countries and in Islamic Countries.
Arizona: Muslim woman raped, beaten and sexually assaulted by groom-to-be for refusing arranged marriage
http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Rape.jpg
Sharia in Action: Raped at 16, Afghan Woman Forced to Marry Her Rapist
Update on the Shootings of the jihadis
Does Terry Jones ring a bell?
Matt McLaughlin ? Mar 26, 2015 – A kill gays ballot initiative in California that would require anyone participating in same-sex sexual relations be killed “by bullets to the head”
A Tanzanian human rights group estimates that 500 suspected witches are killed in Tanzania annually. Where does it say “do not suffer a witch to live” Pretty much like Salem.
Nobody is playing the “Victim card” I am saying your washing 1.5 billion people with the actions of a few hundred, with no understanding of their culture or beliefs is inflammatory and despicable.
Not once have you acknowledged that 1,499,999,000 muslims have not bullied, murdered, or done any other dishonorable thing. Not once have you acknowledged the part that the USA played in the creation of the Mujahideen and the creation of the Takfiri.
Not once have you acknowledged the deliberate provocations of the young muslim men and women, if such provocations were aimed at Blacks or Jews, then you would blame the provocateurs and not the response.
This is why you are despicable, you want to judge the whole world on the “standards” of some of the people in the current USA, not even the USA of 50 years ago, never mind a hundred years. Most of the world does not want your culture, do not share your values and does not need your countrymen to tell them what is right and wrong.
the same as when you cast the wide net of christians over every one, matt mclaughlin, murfreesboro church et al. i don’t recall, but has if any of those “religious” persons thrown gays off of building and stoned them, have they cut anybodies head off.
you minimize the numbers of people, to minor 1,000, like you who believe in killing/re-eductating anyone who disagrees with you religion.
the us did not create the mujahideen nor did the us create the takfiri (which, as a scholar like you should know is based on a whabist principal, and shria law.
if you are a muslim to quote al einstien you are “bow blindly to conventional prejudices” 5 times a day.
again i am sorry for you.
As an Agnostic, I’ll be frends with a christan over the relgion of pieces anyday. when they change their ways then I may think differently about it.
PJ, you are very ignorant of facts. The majority of Muslims in many Muslim nations support Sharia lay, and support Jihad. In some middle east nations it is less then the majority, but a substantial portion. In the US, hate crimes against Jews far outweigh hate crimes against Muslims. The murder of many thousands in India, and many other non western nations, including blowing up hundreds of school children has ) to do with US policy. Sharia law is not compatible with civility.
“The majority of Muslims in many Muslim nations support Sharia lay,” (law?)
Duh yes
DEFINITION of ‘Sharia’ : Islamic religious law that governs not only religious rituals, but aspects of day-to-day life in Islam. Sharia, literally translated, means “the way.”
“and support Jihad.”
Duh yes
“The internal struggle (the greater jihad) is the effort to attain one’s essence; the external struggle (the lesser jihad) is the process of enabling someone else to attain his or her essence.”
“Sharia law is not compatible with civility.”
1.5 billion people live under Sharia. You are being ignorant and spouting the Fox news BS.
Go back to sleep, reality is too complex for you.
PJ you argue like a typical liberal. if your are not winning a argument you personalize your attack
calling me “scotty” does not enhance your misguided arguments.
you call it idol worshiping and quote that idols that are not allowed in heaven etc, are forbidden. who has been to those places to report back what constitutes an idol in those places. or who his see the profit muhamud to know what he looks like, to insure that the people who are drawing true likeness of muhamud are in violation of your rule.
second the only form of art/writing you allow is calligraphy. true calligraphy is done with pen ink and paper.
third muslims bow down and face mecca and the holy stone, if that is not idol worship i don’t know what in your mind constitutes idol worship.
“you call it idol worshiping and quote that idols that are not allowed in heaven etc, are forbidden. who has been to those places to report back what constitutes an idol in those places. or who his see the profit muhamud to know what he looks like, to insure that the people who are drawing true likeness of muhamud are in violation of your rule.”
Do you actually speak English?
Idols are not allowed in heaven? where did I say that?
what constitutes an idol? why not look in a dictionary and find the definition?
drawing true likeness of muhamud are in violation of your rule.: this is just nonsense, read the second commandment and try to understand it, ask a priest or someone to explain it to you.
true calligraphy is done with pen ink and paper : ‘A contemporary calligraphic practice can be defined as, “the art of giving form to signs in an expressive, harmonious, and skillful manner”. can be in any medium, ink paint, or sculpture.’
“Calligraphy has arguably become the most venerated form of Islamic art …. Istanbul is an open exhibition hall for all kinds and varieties of calligraphy, from inscriptions in mosques to fountains, schools, houses, etc” Nothing about Papyrus and ink.
third muslims bow down and face mecca and the holy stone : they face Mecca nothing to do with the Kabaa, Islam specifically forbids veneration of the Kabaa.
“The orientation of churches is the architectural feature of orientating, or facing churches towards the east (Latin: oriens). The orientation of churches towards the liturgical east has persevered until the present day in a number of Christian denominations.”
“The Jewish custom of fixing the direction of prayer and orienting synagogues (Mizrah) influenced Christianity during its formative years. In early Christianity, it was customary to pray facing toward the Holy Land.”
So every time a Christian faces the Altar, they are praying to idols?
Idol per the Book is Graven Images of things in “heaven” (stars, sun moon etc.) on the earth (rocks , animals, trees, people etc) or in the seas (Neptune, Poseidon, fish whales etc.) All of which had been called gods by some religions.
I know you are trying to be provocative, but even so…..
these are your interpretations of other writers, and you have chosen to read and believe what you want from the various passages(i did notice that you just used quotation mark and did not cite the source), to pick and choose.
i believe in american that is your right. most muslim countries you would not have that right.
however i am going to bring your arguments to my imam, he will probably issue a fatwa against you for what he believes, to be your blaspheme, because I’m sure somewhere someone has written it, and will thus order some type of punishment, does that sound familiar.
I sorry for you that you are unwilling to allow people to hold views that differ from yours.
Did not cite the source : use google.
“i believe in american that is your right. most muslim countries you would not have that right.” : Islamic Disputation Theory: A Study of the Development of Dialectic in Islam from the Tenth Through Fourteenth Centuries
November 2014 : World Forum for Proximity of the Islamic Schools of Thought underscored, “Takfiri moves are indicative of faked Islam”.
“The Islamic World is like a family, and disputation and disagreement may be observed in any family,” said Hojjatol Islam Val Moslemin Shahroudi.
Disagreement and discourse is the very basis of Islam, do you understand the difference between Sunni and Shia and Sufi and Takfiri and Wahabbi, or are they all just “Muslims” to you?
With regard my opinions and your prejudices:
“Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly. ” – Albert Einstein
and finally
“Opinions are like orgasms… mine matters most and I really don’t care if you have one.”
— Sylvia Plath
Sunni and Shia and Sufi and Takfiri and Wahhabi kill each other brutally and regularly, for centuries. When not doing that, they often practice submit or die.
This dark age mentality has, for the most part, died in Christians, Hindus, and Jews. Islam needs to play catch up, not bang ban more ketchup color to everybody else.
David your ignorance is abysmal.
Sufi scholars have defined Sufism as “a science whose objective is the reparation of the heart and turning it away from all else but God”.[7] Alternatively, in the words of the Darqawi Sufi teacher Ahmad ibn Ajiba, “a science through which one can know how to travel into the presence of the Divine, purify one’s inner self from filth, and beautify it with a variety of praiseworthy traits”.
Shia and Sunni have not been killing each other for centuries any more (or less) than Catholic and Protestant, Hindu and Sikh, or any other schism.
“This dark age mentality has, for the most part, died in Christians, Hindus, and Jews. ” you are kidding right?
In most western peoples the “Christian banner” has been replaced with the “Democracy” cries and “Science”
Bernard of Clairvaux, at the request of Pope Eugenius III, preached a new crusade of, “Total extermination of the Heathen – or definitive conversion!” in 1115.
“Climate deniers should be killed”
“Accept democracy or we will bomb you to the stone age”
Nothing changes except the names and excuses.
Read the “Requirement” here is part :
“I will make war everywhere and every way that I can. I will take your women and children and make them slaves…The deaths and injuries you will receive from here on will be your own fault and not that of his majesty nor of the gentlemen that accompany me. ”
His majesty Clinton/Bush/Obama
Here is a thought “If God did not love Arabs and Muslims, why did he give them so much Oil?”
PJ where do you think the black rock bowed to in Mecca came from? Give you a hint it was worshipped well before Islam. It was usurped by Mo to reinvent himself. Moon worship anyone. The crescent moon gives a good clue,
You obviously cannot read as I made the point in comments above.
1 Black rock before Islam
2 Islam prohibits veneration of Black Rock
3 As in other religions which face the holy lands or sources, they face toward Mecca not the rock. Jews face Jerusalem, Christians face the East or rising Sun (Risen Son)
4 “Mo to reinvent himself”, you really are a fool
5 No the moon and star do not feature in Islamic symbols, “Though recognized widely as a symbol of Islam, the Star and Crescent does not actually have Muslim or Islamic origins. This symbol was used as insignia by the Ottoman Empire, a powerful Muslim power that ruled for long over an extensive area. For the Western world, the Ottomans represented Islam and therefore, they started associating the Star and Crescent with Islam. In fact, these are believed to be celestial symbols that were used by the ancient Siberians and Central Asians to worship the Sky Gods, the Sun and the Moon”
The star, moon features in several others and the Sun as a Symbol features in Christianity, e,g, Sunday, Christmas et al.
In the Middle Ages, the star and crescent combination was not associated with Islam, and does appear in Christian iconography. The use of the crescent symbol (without the star) on Muslim flags is first seen by Europe during the Crusades.
Other than that of course, you are absolutely right.
It’s good to have a theologician and Islamic scholar explain things to the Islamophobic rubes here. They need to listen to Fahad Qureshi, the Chairman of Islam Net, at the Islam Peace Conference in Oslo 2013 (ca. 4,000 attendees):
3:10
“These are general views that every Muslim actually has. Every Muslim believes in these things. Just because they are not telling you about it, or just because they are not out there in the media, doesn’t mean that they don’t believe in them.”
3:25
“So I will ask you, everyone in the room: How many of you are normal Muslims – you’re not extremists, you’re not radical – just normal Sunni Muslims? Please raise your hands.”
3:41
“Everybody, M? sh?? All?h! Subh?n All?h. OK, take down your hands again.”
…
4:08
“Next question. How many of you agree that the punishments described in the Qur’an and the Sunnah – whether it is death, whether it is stoning for adultery, whatever it is, if it is from Allah and his Messenger, that is the best punishment ever possible for humankind, and that is what we should apply in the world. Who agrees with that?”
4:38
“All?hu Akbar! Are you all radical extremists? Subh?n All?h. So, all of you are saying that you are common Muslims, you all go to the different mosques in Norway. Or are you like a specific sect, like the Islam Net sect, or anything like that? Are you like that? No. Is it … Are you like that? Please raise your hand if you are like that extreme Islam, that sect, or anything like that? No one, All?hu Akbar.
5:09
“How many of you just go to these normal mosques in Norway, the normal Sunni mosques? Please raise your hands. “
5:17
All?hu Akbar! So, what’s the politicians going to say now? What’s the media going to say now? That we are all extremists? We are all radicals? We all need to be deported from this country?”
“Subh?n All?h. All?hu Akbar!”
“Takb?r!”
“All?hu Akbar!”
“Takb?r!”
“All?hu Akbar!”
“Takb?r!”
“All?hu Akbar!”
“May we have the next question, please.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU
Thanks Colorado,
I have no great affection for Islam (or any other “faith”), I merely detest bigotry in all its’ forms.
I have met wonderful Muslims, and Christians and Hindus and Buddhists, as well as D**kheads of all kinds.
The first and most important (and totally ignored) facet of Islam is “Merciful”
It is the first aspect of Allah, and the most revered “grace” of a Muslim. That is why although the punishments are severe, the harmed party gains enormous prestige by “forgiving: the persons who committed a crime (harm) against them.
As in “Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”, a completely forgotten tenet of Christianity.
This is why 100 people may be sentenced to death for conspiring to murder (say Saddam) and none of them are actually executed.
That is why I forgive all those bigots, however I still enjoy mocking them, no doubt I will have to answer for that someday.
Peace.
The imam to the jihadis claimed he was shocked — that they were gentle fellows.
“Phoenix mosque caught lying about membership status of AFDI/JW Muhammad Cartoon Contest jihad attacker,” By Jihadwatch, May 7, 2015 http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/phoenix-mosque-caught-lying-about-membership-status-of-afdijw-muhammad-cartoon-contest-jihad-attacker
The mosque even posted his $100,000 bond when he was arrested, although now they’re lying about that, too. Will authorities investigate this mosque, or are they too busy drawing up the latest condemnation of Pamela Geller? “Phoenix Mosque Caught Lying About Ties to Texas Would-Be Jihadist Killer,” by Patrick Poole, PJ Media, May 7, 2015: http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/05/07/phoenix-mosque-caught-lying-about-ties-to-texas-would-be-jihadist-killer/
It seems the FBI is FINALLY taking the hint BTW.
Al Gore’s I invented the internet that they want to control, comes back to bite them yet again. 😆
So when they the government controls the internet, as the MSM, well you know.
Unfortunately the plans are in the works.
https://wikileaks.org/tpp-investment/press.html
https://wikileaks.org/tpp-ip2/
http://economyincrisis.org/content/obama-is-selling-the-tpp-trade-deal-just-like-al-gore-sold-nafta
http://www.globalresearch.ca/repealing-the-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-fast-track-not-a-done-deal-the-people-will-stop-it/5425498
The FBI and military have up the threat level.
Gunmen Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi were carrying explosives before they were shot. Their actions have prompted the government to keep a closer eye on ‘marginal’ or ‘borderline’ suspects in a bid to stop potential threats.
Because Pam Geller drew them out, she exposed their network and because she was careful she did so without getting anyone killed. The FBI are now going after the exposed sources and are gathering intel from their computers. Seems Geller may have smoked out a terror structure.
Yeah, sure ‘Homegrown Terroists’ The Media STILL refuses to call them by name ISLAMIC JIHADISTS! It is ISLAM that is the spreading cancer not normal Americans but normal Americans keep getting the smear.
Dr. Ben Carson (Presidential candidate] was also targeted. Dr. Ron Paul was pulled over and subject to frisking when getting onto his private plane. The IRS has specifically targeted Conservative groups….
Maybe if the Damn government would <a href="http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/fixing-cyprus-a-modest-suggestion/#comment-48971"BUILD THE BORDER FENCE AS PROMISED and pay attention to the REAL threats, and quit inviting into the country people who hate Christians and Jews and Gays and Atheists the FBI and military would have a lot less to do.
Some one FINALLY ‘Gets it’
Speaking of Cartoons….
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So true. So true.
DoJ: ISIS winning the propaganda war with sophisticated and prolific messaging
Hum, the latest NCIS episode was Islamists trying to manipulate kids through the internet.
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http://images.sodahead.com/polls/004493991/Moderate-vs-radical-muslime-150538852360_xlarge.jpeg
Our government is very very dysfunctional.
From the 133 page FOIA document obtained from the Department of Defense entiled: AFSS 0910 EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND TREATMENT INCIDENTS (EOTI) LESSON PLAN obtained by Judicial Watch
Southern Poverty Law Center is the one who stated presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson was an extremist But it gets even more ridiculous: Extermist groups include “a mine, a brand of gun oil and a bar sign.” It would be funny if the DOD did not declare them an ‘official source’ of extremist information.
In the case of the Cartoon Contest SPLC’s talking head is who the media used to call Pam Geller “controversial” and “provocative” while defending the Jihadists. Nice to know the source of our news can’t tell the difference between a metal and plastic bar sign and guys with bombs, body armor and a gun. YUPPERS, that bar sign is the REAL danger to America — SHEESH! No wonder there are so many dhimmi apologists!
And if that is not enough to prove we have a real problem look at who is on Obummer’s short list for the Supreme Court! Can you get any STUPIDER THAN THIS!
Elton Simpson, one of the jihadists shot in Garland Texas was taped using the words
“fight” and “get to the ‘battlefield’ in Somalia,” Is that not perfectly clear? What does she want the guy to hold a knife to her throat? So she let the guy go and he ended up dead. Where is the outrage?
Judge Who Freed The Jihadist Texas Shooter, Named As Potential Supreme Court Nominee, Linked To La Raza