Growth Of The Petermann Glacier Since 2012

The Petermann Glacier in Greenland has grown several kilometers since late summer 2012.

2012     2018

Climate scientists and the press responded to this growth by doing what they always do – lie about it.  Andreas Muenchow of the University of Deleware told the Washington Post that he stopped being a skeptic due, to what he saw at the Petermann glacier since late summer 2012.

 the Petermann Ice Shelf lost another two Manhattans of ice in 2012, and Muenchow decided to see for himself, launching a project to study the ice shelf intensively.

He was back again in late August, no longer a skeptic

In Greenland, a once doubtful scientist witnesses climate change’s troubling toll | The Washington Post

Meanwhile, Greenland’s surface has gained more than 600 billion tons of ice since last summer.  With only a little over 30 days left to the melt season, the Greenland melting scam is facing catastrophic collapse.

Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Mass Budget: DMI

And climate scientists of course continue to lie about it.

Eighty years ago, it was the glaciers which were collapsing. Now it is the scam that is collapsing.

17 Dec 1939, Page 15 – Harrisburg Sunday Courier at Newspapers.com

The Arctic warmth of 1939 was troublesome to climate scientists. so they did the obvious thing and simply erased it.

May 2018 Measured Vs. Adjusted

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62 Responses to Growth Of The Petermann Glacier Since 2012

  1. roger says:

    Just to advise that Lewis Pugh seems to have dropped the failing AGW and melting poles in favour of the new cause du jour Ocean Pollution and will swim the length of the English Channel rather than the more normal attempt on the width from coast to coast in yet another display of………stupidity?
    https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/06/26/lewis-pugh-to-swim-length-of-english-channel-to-urge-stronger-pr/

  2. Stewart Pid says:

    This is cottage country for the Grifftard … with GLOBALONEY warming he can now tan year round in the arctic …. even in the 6 months of winter darkness.

  3. terak says:

    Greenland is still losing mass via calving, even if melting would take a break. Thanks to science and technology we have satellite altimetry, gravity and SAR measurements on a regular basis.

    • tonyheller says:

      Still quoting fake GRACE data, which even NASA acknowledges is worthless.

      • terak says:

        That is BS. NASA and DLR built and launched a replica-mission GRACE-FO (Follow On) since the data was so highly valuable. In other news IceSAT-2 is nearing launch – godspeed!!

        • tonyheller says:

          Gravity data can’t measure tiny changes in a two mile thick low density material sitting on top of thousands of miles of dynamic high density rock. It is not a technology problem, it is a failure to understand basic scientific principles problem.

          • terak says:

            Yes it can and very easily. Even the “elastic” component of the rebound takes a long time, and the unelastic part takes millennia. Therefore, loss of tens of meters of ice is very easily detectable. The ice sheets are losing mass – get over it.

        • tonyheller says:

          These sort of ridiculous delusions pervade and define climate alarmism.

          • terak says:

            It’s frankly delusional to deny ice sheets are losing mass. Is your world-view in jeopardy or why bother?

          • tonyheller says:

            NASA says Antarctica is gaining ice. DMI says Greenland gained ice last year. One of us is delusional, and it isn’t me.

          • terak says:

            NASA does not say Antarctica is gaining ice. Jay Zwally, the author of said NASA study very recently said that increased ice loss from other parts of Antarctica is offsetting possible gains in EAIS.

            Greenland has lost a lot in the past 20 years, that is not in dispute. Perhaps this year there is no loss, who knows.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Glaciers are “RIVERS” of ice.. they flow, they calve.
            loss is ONLY from Western peninsula, over the volcanic area

            No sign of ANY human cause.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Greenland is very near the LARGEST area it has been in 8000+ years.

            Just a tiny amount down from the LIA extremes

          • AndyG55 says:

            That’s because its near its COLDEST in 10.000 years

    • Robert Austin says:

      Greenland is still losing mass via calving, even if melting would take a break.

      It always amazes me that some (usually alarmists) think glacier calving is the centrefold for ice sheet shrinkage. Over recent years Tony has shown the Petermann repeatedly advancing and calving. So calving is an indicator of glacier advancement fueled by snow/ice accumulation at the head of the glacier. Calving simply is not an indicator of glacial degradation.

      • terak says:

        A large fraction of glaciers in Greenland have been shedding significant mass in the last 20 years. We knows this thanks to measurements with a) altimetry b) gravity c) GPS d) optical and radar observations. Petermann glacier is, again, a point measurement, over a glacier that is known to be in balance (not gaining or losing mass). Do not get you info from blogs please.

        • AndyG55 says:

          At least they aren’t likely to find tree stumps under Greenland glaciers.

          And yes, Greenland’s glaciers FLOW to the sea

          Greenland total ice mass since 1900

        • Robert Austin says:

          terak,
          You are obfuscating. Calving is a result of glacier advancement. The only possible link to climate change would be increased precipitation, thus deposition, at higher elevations. Yes, Greenland glaciers are shedding “significant mass” at their termini, but you conveniently omit the fact that the Greenland icecap is gaining “significant mass” at high elevations. Hence the P-38 “Glacier Girl” recovered from the Greenland icecap under 82 metres of ice.

  4. Johansen says:

    A science conceived in deception, nurtured by parlor tricks, financed by haters of the human race, and perpetuated by fools and opportunist jerks

    • terak says:

      Johansen are glaciologists also satanic reptilian freemasons, or why are you so paranoid?

      • tonyheller says:

        Using psycho-babble to cover up clear evidence of fraud.

        • terak says:

          There is no evidence of glaciological fraud. I’ve been wondering why you don’t publish anything in the literature – is it because you know your “blog-science” cannot withstand public scrutiny? Zero instances of “fraud” uncovered in temperature data. That is weak…

          • kyle_fouro says:

            I don’t understand your reply. Blogs are accessible to everyone. Scientific literature is usually behind a 30$ paywall. You are publicly scrutinizing it…

          • terak says:

            Sci-hub removed the paywall, last I checked it was at sci-hub.nu and elsewhere too. Blog-posts are not science but entertainment, and they do not have any direct effect to state of the science.

      • Johansen says:

        Terak: there’s nothing wrong with earth-science, it’s incredibly fascinating… thanks for making that distinction, above. However, once you get an historical perspective of the fakery it becomes clear that climate alarmism is just the newest platform for advancing a world view that I fear, yes

        • terak says:

          It’s not “alarmist” to say that the recent (many decades) of warming is mostly man-made, is likely to continue, and that it will destabilise the current climate-regime unless stopped.

          • AndyG55 says:

            “It’s not “alarmist” to say that the recent (many decades) of warming is mostly man-made,”

            Yes it is, particularly as its a load of scientifically unsupportable BOLLOCKS.

          • Andy DC says:

            1940-1979: Significant cooling
            1980-1998: Rebound from 1940-1998 cooling
            1998-2018: Flat

            So for the last 78 years we have had 18 years of warming. The other 60 years either flat or cooling. To say that we have had “many decades of warming” is deliberately misleading.

          • JL says:

            “Mostly man-made”. Glad you nailed down the specific amount. Very scientific

          • Disillusioned says:

            “It’s not “alarmist” to say that the recent (many decades) of warming is mostly man-made,”

            It’s not only alarmist, it is propaganda. You ignore and fight against all empirical evidence contrary to your religion. You are an anti-science propagandist.

        • Johansen says:

          We are just talking ‘past’ one another…. there is no warming, and the sea level is not accelerating. Yes, CO2 is increasing due to human activity, but a pretty convincing argument can be made that this is helpful, not harmful, to plant and animal life

          • terak says:

            Yes there is warming in the ocean and the atmosphere, the sea levels are rising and so is mass-loss from Antarctica. They won’t tell you this on denialist sites as denialists rarely if ever produce any studies, models or scientific knowledge. If the Earth warms enough it will certainly destabilize the climate. Some people guesstimate that we should keep the warming under 2C. We are currently at +1C and the atmosphere is warming at about 0.13-0.15C per decade. I think this is very conservative and not “alarmist” in the slightest. Predicting that earth will soon turn into Venus would be alarmistic..

          • AndyG55 says:

            You need to get some perspective on the ocean warming

            See that little red line at the end.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Ocean warming, what tiny amount there has been, CANNOT be human induced.

            Mass loss in Antarctica CANNOT be human induced.

            Earth has been FAR warmer, even in the lay 10,000 years, and it is NOT destabilised.

            Warming in the satellite era has come ONLY from El Nino events

            33 years of NON-warming

            No warming from 1980-1997

          • AndyG55 says:

            no warming from 2001-2015

            ONLY from El Ninos,

            Humans CANNOT cause El Ninos, even in your feeble fantasy mind.

          • AndyG55 says:

            and there “guesstimate” is just that, a fantasy number based on fantasy science.

            As it has warmed the “climate” has become more benign. They are talking rancid anti-science nonsense, just for the GULLIBLE AGW cult-fools.

          • Johansen says:

            Terak: It’s my understanding that the temperature record is either nonexistent over much of the globe, or has been purposely, fraudulently faked. The actors are on record encouraging each other to fake the temperature data, and they’re even bragging about it, and explaining their motives for doing so. You could make a pretty good argument that things are cooling, not warming. The sea level is not accelerating, either. The people who are claiming otherwise are profiting from it personally, or are waging expensive lawsuits they hope to win, or have a much larger geopolitical goal in mind

          • AndyG55 says:

            Greenland temperature December.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Greenland temps last 4000 years

            terak wants to live in the LIA.

            Thinks it was “normal”

            but I BET he chooses the comfort of a warmer region than Siberia, and uses lots of fossil fuel sourced heating in winder

          • terak says:

            The claims that temperature measurements have been tampered with in unsubstantiated bullshit. Or can you point to ANY studies arguing so convincingly and with any scientific impact?

            Also, how did “UHI” or “tampered series” managed to melt glaciers, ice sheets, sea ice as well as cause (accelerating) sea level rise?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Sea rise is NOT accelerating

          • AndyG55 says:

            glacier melt is cyclic in the Swiss alps

          • AndyG55 says:

            And in the US

          • AndyG55 says:

            Past temperature data has MOST CERTAINLY been tampered with.

            Stop your childish DENIAL, terak.

    • Gator says:

      … 40 percent lower than the 1979-2009 mean.

      And there it is.

    • AndyG55 says:

      MASIE has

      Can Arch above EVERY year except 2012, 2013

      Baffin Bay above EVERY year except 2013, 2014

      Hudson Bay above EVERY year except 2014

      Kara Sea above EVERY year except 2013, 2014

      Beaufort Sea above EVERY year except 2013.

      Stop your mindless cherry-picking and bed-wetting, griff

    • Robert Austin says:

      Griff,
      When they start fantasizing about tipping points, even you should be a skeptic. Paleoclimate studies show only two climate regimes, glacial and interglacial. There is no tipping point to a warmer regime. Any increased warming above the natural interglacial temperatures is forcefully resisted by the natural thermodynamic governor that is our water world. Instead, you should direct your worries toward the onset of the next ice age.

      • terak says:

        Robert what is stopping CO2 making this interglacial as warm as the Eemian, with sea levels 5-6m above present? I cannot think of anything.

        • Disillusioned says:

          That’s because you believe in the unproven hypothesis of AGW.

          • terak says:

            There’s no credible alternative to AGW that would explain what is being observed.

          • spike55 says:

            Yes there is. You just REFUSE to see it,

            Get out of your troll-hole and look up in the sky

          • spike55 says:

            AGW is NOT CREDIBLE in any sense of the word.

            There is ZERO empirical evidence that CO2 causes warming.

            What is observed is TOTALLY NATURAL slight warming out of the coldest period in 10,000 years.

          • Gator says:

            There’s no credible alternative to AGW that would explain what is being observed.

            Really? Can you…

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            … or…

            2- Provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

            We are still waiting…

        • Robert Austin says:

          Different orbital parameters for one. And CO2 forcing delta being extremely inconsequential at present concentration in the atmosphere.

      • Griff says:

        Its a tipping point for that particular sea into a new state, I understood…

        • Gator says:

          Ms Griff, you are incapable of understanding anything. You believe that Inuits, whose lives have improved greatly over the past century, are suffering and dying like the millions you climate alarmists starve to death every year. You have a severe mental disorder.

  5. Steven Fraser says:

    The Petermann Glacier calved in major ways in 2010, and 2012. In 2010, a section of 100 sq miles, and in 2012, 50 sq miles. Both moved out of the fjord and then southward to the Atlantic, where they were tracked from space.

    Since the northern end of the glacier is floating, calving is expected from time to time.

  6. Squidly says:

    Holy crap, the Greenland DMI chart is crazy! … wow! … yeah, melting my ass!

  7. Bill says:

    OT: Tony, can you figure this out? Are Great Lakes temperatures soaring, or are they dangerously cold?

    Great Lakes water temperatures skyrocket after weekend of record warmth

    Coast Guard: Great Lakes waters still dangerously cold

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