The average loss for 13th to 19th is just over 100 000 km2 per day so I’d like to see what a lot is, perhaps 200 000 per day? Having said that the AO has gone slightly positive and there is now more cloud up there so the daily rate is reducing.
As Tony cheekily points out, 2011 is nowhere near tracking 2006 and currently is just below where 2007 was on this day for JAXA extent.
One thing is for sure, it is going to be closer to 2007 million than 2006 unless someone prays for an asteroid to block out the sun :p
Hudson Bay melted quick this year because it was thin from the late freeze over. Left over El Nino warmth was likely the reason it froze over so late last winter. But that left over El Nino warmth is gone now. The Hudson Bay should freeze over sooner in this upcoming winter. Putting 1 and 1 together that would mean next summer it will not melt as soon as it did this summer.
Arctic ice is in a growing trend. Global warming predictions about Arctic ice are wrong. Global warming predictions have a poor track record. Why does anyone continue to believe in global warming?
“Hudson Bay melted quickly this year because it was thin from the late freeze over. Left over El Nino warmth was likely the reason it froze over so late last winter. But that left over El Nino warmth is gone now.”
Ah, let’s see. Summer of 2010 was tied for the hottest year since 2005. No wonder El Nino (The boy, they chase each other you know) melted more ice in Hudson Bay and elsewhere.
El Nino is gone and is being replaced by La Nina (The girl)-the warmest La Nina in instrumental records. That means more melt as well.
Then there’s winter time and please don’t bore me with fantabulous figures on how intensely cold it is in the winter, Steve. You see, warmer temperatures below ocean freezing level may not melt the ice but they do prevent full recovery of ice thickness. Which then rolls over until next year’s summer; allowing more thickness of ice to melt.
If you’re not aware of that, imagine the following experiment.
1. Put two equal size glasses with equal amounts of water in each glass.
2. Put one in your kitchen freezer at 0C and the other one in a laboratory freezer at -50C.
3. Take them both out after 5 hours and see which glass has the thickest ice.
I think your point about Hudson Bay has some value in describing what happened this year, maybe you will be right about 2012 also, will be interesting to see.
One doesn’t have to look closely to see the rate of loss had dramatically declined relative to 2007. Aug should be really exciting for the race betters.
BTW, I can feel the coolness from the albedo already!!!
There was a posting on WUWT sometime last year showing that most of the El Nino-based increase in troposphere heat that year (producing the temperature ‘anomaly’) was concentrated over northern Canada. Associated with this, there were mild temperatures in Canada for late winter and early spring. This seems consistent with AAM’s comment, although there may be a time-lag problem.
The use of global (planetary) averages must be one of the cleverest strategies ever devised in the history of dubious statistics. All one has to do is find some way to elevate the average – and with the entire earth at one’s disposal, one only needs the resources and a modicum of creativity. (Hey, look there’s Siberia!) Then, whatever people experience in their own lives can be discounted as merely personal or local, in comparison with the ‘reality’ of a global average.
Wait, overweighting huge areas of the globe that have no actual temperature reporting is fudging? Great heavens, man, you’ll overturn 23 years of climate science with statements like that. Think of the jobs!
People on the left of politics have a lot of trouble using their imagination. They check thinking and imagination at the door on the way in to being a leftist. Thinking and imagination take effort–and whole wants to do such an unpleasant thing as making an effort? Instead just read the blogs that supply prefabricated rebuttals about everything and repeat that.
Still tracking 2006 of course.
You are a complete moron. You have no idea where it is going to end up.
Tony Duncan: LOL
Ill wind blowing
Have you seen Villabolo? Mecago? Tony Duncan? Any of them ever around the house?
Yes Ill, I also laugh at Tony.
The average loss for 13th to 19th is just over 100 000 km2 per day so I’d like to see what a lot is, perhaps 200 000 per day? Having said that the AO has gone slightly positive and there is now more cloud up there so the daily rate is reducing.
As Tony cheekily points out, 2011 is nowhere near tracking 2006 and currently is just below where 2007 was on this day for JAXA extent.
One thing is for sure, it is going to be closer to 2007 million than 2006 unless someone prays for an asteroid to block out the sun :p
Andy
Can you keep your pants on and wait a few weeks? Hudson bay is not part of the Arctic basin.
I feel like I have two classroom dunces who never shut up. I
“Can you keep your pants on and wait a few weeks? Hudson bay is not part of the Arctic basin.”
The ice cap is the ice cap is the ice cap is the ice cap is forever the ice cap. Well, maybe not forever.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png
And as for keeping one’s pants on, could you please post an image of yourself around mid-September? From the back side, please.
Perve! lol
Dimwit. Try using a graph which is up to date and not smoothed over five days.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php
Hudson Bay melted quick this year because it was thin from the late freeze over. Left over El Nino warmth was likely the reason it froze over so late last winter. But that left over El Nino warmth is gone now. The Hudson Bay should freeze over sooner in this upcoming winter. Putting 1 and 1 together that would mean next summer it will not melt as soon as it did this summer.
Arctic ice is in a growing trend. Global warming predictions about Arctic ice are wrong. Global warming predictions have a poor track record. Why does anyone continue to believe in global warming?
Amino Acids in Meteorites:
“Hudson Bay melted quickly this year because it was thin from the late freeze over. Left over El Nino warmth was likely the reason it froze over so late last winter. But that left over El Nino warmth is gone now.”
Ah, let’s see. Summer of 2010 was tied for the hottest year since 2005. No wonder El Nino (The boy, they chase each other you know) melted more ice in Hudson Bay and elsewhere.
El Nino is gone and is being replaced by La Nina (The girl)-the warmest La Nina in instrumental records. That means more melt as well.
Then there’s winter time and please don’t bore me with fantabulous figures on how intensely cold it is in the winter, Steve. You see, warmer temperatures below ocean freezing level may not melt the ice but they do prevent full recovery of ice thickness. Which then rolls over until next year’s summer; allowing more thickness of ice to melt.
If you’re not aware of that, imagine the following experiment.
1. Put two equal size glasses with equal amounts of water in each glass.
2. Put one in your kitchen freezer at 0C and the other one in a laboratory freezer at -50C.
3. Take them both out after 5 hours and see which glass has the thickest ice.
What data set shows 2010 tied with 2005?
“No wonder El Nino (The boy, they chase each other you know) melted more ice in Hudson Bay and elsewhere”
When did I say anything about El Nino and melt?
If you’re bored by me Ill than don’t read my comments.
“Arctic ice is in a growing trend”
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
I think your point about Hudson Bay has some value in describing what happened this year, maybe you will be right about 2012 also, will be interesting to see.
Andy
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php
Look closely at what is happening.
One doesn’t have to look closely to see the rate of loss had dramatically declined relative to 2007. Aug should be really exciting for the race betters.
BTW, I can feel the coolness from the albedo already!!!
There was a posting on WUWT sometime last year showing that most of the El Nino-based increase in troposphere heat that year (producing the temperature ‘anomaly’) was concentrated over northern Canada. Associated with this, there were mild temperatures in Canada for late winter and early spring. This seems consistent with AAM’s comment, although there may be a time-lag problem.
The use of global (planetary) averages must be one of the cleverest strategies ever devised in the history of dubious statistics. All one has to do is find some way to elevate the average – and with the entire earth at one’s disposal, one only needs the resources and a modicum of creativity. (Hey, look there’s Siberia!) Then, whatever people experience in their own lives can be discounted as merely personal or local, in comparison with the ‘reality’ of a global average.
Wait, overweighting huge areas of the globe that have no actual temperature reporting is fudging? Great heavens, man, you’ll overturn 23 years of climate science with statements like that. Think of the jobs!
By the way Steve, which one do you think will open up first? NE or NW?
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/NEWIMAGES/arctic.seaice.color.000.png
There was little ice loss in the Arctic basin over the last seven days. Is this difficult for you to comprehend?
People on the left of politics have a lot of trouble using their imagination. They check thinking and imagination at the door on the way in to being a leftist. Thinking and imagination take effort–and whole wants to do such an unpleasant thing as making an effort? Instead just read the blogs that supply prefabricated rebuttals about everything and repeat that.
who not whole
There is still more ice now than the average of the past 9000 years.
http://bprc.osu.edu/geo/publications/mckay_etal_CJES_08.pdf
What’s the big deal? Ice melts.