Temperatures forecast to hit -79F this fine October weekend.
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Greenland is not the only place!
The first -30 C reading (-32.7) was registered at Oymyakon on Oct. 20. Since then, another six days have had lows below -30 C. Lowest of these was the -38.2 C reading reached early today Oct. 26.
Daily mean temperatures for the week ended Oct. 26 have been between 7.7 C and 11.1 C below normal.
What is more amazing to me than the actual cold, which is a good 10 C lower than anything I have felt, is that the temperature departures from normal are not much greater.
The fact is that this settlement, together with Verkhoyansk, holds claim to coldest permanent habitation on Earth. Lowest readings here are about -68 C.
I guess stevengoddard can go on forever with these “It’s cold today in Wagga Wagga!” posts. Meanwhile, from the real scientists who really know Greenland,
“Greenland climate in 2010 is marked by record-setting high air temperatures, ice loss by melting, and marine-terminating glacier area loss. Summer seasonal average (June-August) air temperatures around Greenland were 0.6 to 2.4°C above the 1971-2000 baseline and were highest in the west. A combination of a warm and dry 2009-2010 winter and the very warm summer resulted in the highest melt rate since at least 1958 and an area and duration of ice sheet melting that was above any previous year on record since at least 1978. The largest recorded glacier area loss observed in Greenland occurred this summer at Petermann Glacier, where 290 km2 of ice broke away. The rate of area loss in marine-terminating glaciers this year (419 km2) was 3.4 times that of the previous 8 years, when regular observations are available. There is now clear evidence that the ice area loss rate of the past decade (averaging 120 km2/year) is greater than loss rates pre-2000. “
So you think that -79F is a record setting high temperature? Good call.
1971-2000 baseline
This is a cherry picked time frame. In other words what you are saying is nothing.
Gneiss,
since at least 1958
Wow, how alarming!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All the way back since 1958. So unprecedented! So now we must, all of us, install twisty straw light bulbs so that we can go back to climate conditions of 1958. Because it was better back then—apparently.
any previous year on record since at least 1978
Oh God, not at least since 1978.
I mean really dude, can’t you come up with anything better than this laughable argument? You can’t find anything saying fastest melt since like at least 1970, or something??
Eat organic so we can go back to conditions of 1978 when everything was unharmed by man not eating organic.
Gneiss
are you really a global warming ‘skeptic’ that’s come here just to make these stupid posts to see if anyone is paying attention?
Gneiss
the previous 8 years, when regular observations are available. There is now clear evidence that the ice area loss rate of the past decade (averaging 120 km2/year) is greater than loss rates pre-2000. “
Ok, so you use 8 years of observation then make conclusions about things happening before 8 years ago.
You must be here as a practical joker.
Gneiss
The largest recorded glacier area loss observed in Greenland occurred this summer at Petermann Glacier, where 290 km2 of ice broke away
How far back do your records go?
You did know that ice breaking away like that is called calving and it happens when glaciers are growing, not shrinking?
Gneiss,
is the information in your post peer reviewed?
stevengoddard writes,
“So you think that -79F is a record setting high temperature? Good call.”
You’ve got a bizarre style of argument.
NCEP is forecasting >10C below normal for almost all of Greenland for the next two weeks.
Gneiss.
You have a bizarre style of denying reality.
Gneiss says:
October 27, 2010 at 12:27 am
stevengoddard writes,
“So you think that -79F is a record setting high temperature? Good call.”
You’ve got a bizarre style of argument.
Would you explain why it is bizarre? Or did you just not understand it?
Would you explain why it is bizarre?
Tell ya what, Amino, read Gneiss’s comment again and see if you can’t figure out for yourself why “So you think that -79F is a record setting high temperature?” is a bizarre argument.
Oh gee, ChrisD is back.What cosmic reason brings you back here?
Oh gee, ChrisD is back.What cosmic reason brings you back here?
A few hours ago I mentioned that you liked to dodge the issue, and you essentially called me a spammer and a liar. Remember? You asked me to find a case of that.
I just found one.
And I didn’t even have to go back in the posts. I didn’t bother doing that because I knew that all I had to do was wait a little while.
You are a liar and a spammer.
I understood his comment. I understood Steven Goddard’s reply.
But you and Gneiss apparently didn’t.
But then understanding something is relative in the global warming world. It’s all Alice in Wonderland there.
ChrisD says:
October 27, 2010 at 3:06 am
I didn’t bother doing that because I knew that all I had to do was wait a little while.
You didn’t bother doing it because you are a liar.
You didn’t bother doing it because you are a liar.
Uh-huh. Never mind that the proof is right here on this page for anyone to see.
And you should go look up the definition of spam, by the way.
I’m no genius like Gneiss but the cold in Greenland is likely due—among other things— to El Nino being over and the hurricane season sending warmth left over from El Nino in the Atlantic up out of the Earths atmosphere.
AAM writes,
“You have a bizarre style of denying reality.”
No, I’m very well grounded. And I quoted a bunch of people even better grounded to describe the reality of Greenland not by Internet surfing for weather reports that fit with their politics, but by taking measurements on the real ice of Greenland.
It’s their instruments that are reporting temperatures from summit camp. They know it’s cold up there today, that it was warmer last summer, and they have seen how the real ice that integrates all this weather has been melting.
Gneiss says:
October 27, 2010 at 1:03 am
No, I’m very well grounded. And I quoted a bunch of people
Was this work peer reviewed?
Gneiss says:
October 27, 2010 at 1:03 am
It’s their instruments that are reporting temperatures from summit camp.
How does their recordings compare to the Medieval Warm Period?
AAM writes,
“I’m no genius like Gneiss ”
That’s for sure!
You didn’t reply to my comments.
You are going to avoid them?
And apparently you are not a practical joker, just very bad at propaganda.
Yes Gneiss, you do register high on the genius meter.
Gneiss,
Are you going to address the issues I raised about your acute cherry picking?
Part of what you say that is not related to the instrumental readings is you brought up are the years 1958 and 1978. You are proving global warming with those time frames?
Gneiss says:
October 26, 2010 at 11:56 pm
“Greenland climate in 2010 is marked by record-setting high air temperatures,
You skipped this.
So how does the information in your quote compare to the Medieval Warm Period? That would cover centuries. So you can see to say I don’t care about longer time frames IS A LIE.
Gneiss says:
October 27, 2010 at 1:03 am
and they have seen how the real ice that integrates all this weather has been melting.
Peer Reviewed:
“We find that the current Greenland warming is not unprecedented in recent Greenland history. Temperature increases in the two warming periods are of a? similar magnitude, however, the rate of warming in 1920–1930 was about 50% higher than that in 1995–2005.”
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2006/2006GL026510.shtml
AAM writes,
“You didn’t reply to my comments.”
Your comments are silly. Six posts in a row declaring that decades are not enough data. This in defense of a blogger who trumpets one day as if that refutes decades.
“How far back do your records go?”
Satellite views, not so far back. Angmagssalik air, about 1895. GISP 2 central Greenland, about 50ky.
“are you really a global warming ‘skeptic’ ”
I’m really a skeptic.
Gneiss says:
October 27, 2010 at 1:27 am
as if that refutes decades
You moved the goalposts. First you talk of 8 years of recordings. Then you switch to decades.
Here’s data from a Greenland ice core. Let’s see how 1000’s of years of temperatures stack up compared to what the experts in the field are saying about current Greenland temperatures:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-B77WMFpxk
Gneiss,
Seen enough? Or are you going to continue with the careless comments?
Don’t stop now. I’m just now getting my popcorn and drink.
hahahaha
lol!
AAM writes,
“Seen enough? Or are you going to continue with the careless comments?”
No, I’m losing interest. I’ll close with a carelessness/IQ test for you, though. In two parts:
1) When does the blade of the hockey stick start climbing?
2) What is the most recent year covered by the Greenland ice sheet temperature chronology, the basis for that “ClimateGate The Hockey Stick vs. Ice Core Data” graphic you posted?
1) When does the blade of the hockey stick start climbing?
It’s not unprecedented so who cares. Look at the video. You’ll see other Hockey Sticks in history.
Go tell someone else about the acorn that hit you on the head.
2) What is the most recent year covered by the Greenland ice sheet temperature chronology, the basis for that “ClimateGate The Hockey Stick vs. Ice Core Data” graphic you posted?
You mean is it’s warmer now than during the Medieval Warm Period when Vikings had farms in an area of Greenland that is now permafrost?
Figure that one out—you’re the genius.
Your mental prowess is staggering Gneiss. You really put it to me.
1) When Mike begins his Nature Trick.
2) Well after the tempurature record began.
Gneiss
If I am supposed to believe that the earth was colder 1000 years ago, but, the area of Greenland where the Vikings had farms, an area that is now permafrost, was the only location on that colder earth that was warmer than it is now, and it stayed warmer than now on that colder earth for ~350 years,
THEN THAT IS TRULY GLOBAL WEIRDING/CLIMATE DISRUPTION!
The ~2 weeks of heat in Russia is being called global weirding/global climate disruption. But 350 years is 9100 times longer than 2 weeks.
So then we can see that global weirding/global climate disruption is 9100 times milder than it was in the Medieval Warm Period. And we also would see that global weirding/global climate disruption is not caused by fossil fuels since it has been happening since (at least) 1000 years before man was using them.
We also could hypothesize that using fossil fuels has helped alleviate global weirding/global climate disruption since it is 9100 times milder in a time when fossil fuels are being burned. By that hypothesis we could say that fossil fuels are saving the earth!!!!
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But really, the truth is, it was warmer on all the earth 1000 years ago than now. So smile. Manmade global warming isn’t real. There’s going to be no big disasters coming from co2.
🙂
Ya, you’ve seen enough.
;o)
It’s no longer cold in the UK Steve, why not post up about it being nice and mild?
Or do you only mention places when they are having cold snaps?
I’d cut them all out to be honest, there’s always somewhere where it is a bit nippy, it’s just silly ….
Andy
Don’t worry, another blast of cold is forecast next week.
So far, Amino and glacierman flunk. Someone else want to try?
The blade of the hockey stick started climbing around the year 1900, at a time when CO2 was far below Hansen’s 350 ppm and was increasing very slowly. Solid evidence that whatever is going on has nothing to do with CO2.
Hope this helps dispel your foolish notions about CO2.
stevengoddard writes,
“Hope this helps dispel your foolish notions about CO2.”
It does nothing of the kind, for me or any climate scientist.
And I see you didn’t get the second question, or why they make a pair. Go look it up!
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Flash Back Steve,
-48 °F This early Fine October Day in 2013 -48 is an Avg low not October. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summit_Camp
http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/GL/Summit.html
https://twitter.com/NJSnowFan/status/386743891535208448/photo/1