The experts at NSIDC told us that Arctic sea ice has been melting since March 15, but the Arctic seems to have different ideas, and is very close to it’s winter maximum and 30 year mean.
COI | Centre for Ocean and Ice | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut
And if it all melted away, what?
The idiots would be proved wrong when sea-level doesn’t dramatically rise.
But Laztoo says its all cracked and rotten and super thin!!
Much like the story being peddled by the CAGW evangelistas.
Apparently, if we heat up the polar ice caps and melt the ice, we’ll get more ice……..
I think I’m getting a headache from reading such a load of crap.
Then they say “Wait till September. You’ll see.” Oooooooo!
What? When Antarctica hits another record extent??!!!
These guys are oxygen thieves!!
Laztoo 😆 ya have to work “yowza” in there somewhere, that is what he was calling him self here first. 😆
More like “Lieztoo”.
😆
Of course, WE must be responsible for heating up the polar ice caps and melting the ice. Mann Made Global Warming can do ANYTHING – warm up the world, cool down the world; create droughts, create massive rain fall; create more tornadoes, create fewer tornadoes. If the current WARMING was NOT Mann Mad, it would NOT do ANY of these things.
If the world has, indeed, been COOLING for the last 18 to 20 years, it is ONLY because of the MASSIVE MANN MADE GLOBAL WARMING. What is hard to understand about that??
Some more work by the NASA oxygen thieves. So popular less than 40,000 people worldwide are interested enough to view it over 15 months. I just wasted 30 seconds of my life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLittKUEH1o
There is one point that I have not heard made. There is always alot of talk about positve feedback from open water once arctic ice melts. But everytime there is a record melt, like in 2012, the ice freezes back at record pace. dosen’t this counterdict the Idea of an over all positve feedback? The ice would refreeze at a slower rate if the feedback were positve. How can they get away with cliaming something that the simple record you have juse displayed above obviously counterdicts?
I have never understood this idea of a melted Arctic providing a positive feedback. If anything, snow and ice would be a positive feedback compared to open water. At the angle of solar incident upon open water that the Arctic gets, it is more like a mirror than a blackbody. Have you ever looked at satellite images of open water from an angle? It makes for almost a perfect mirror (much more so than snow or ice). At least snow and ice would provide some absorption. I suspect these are the reasons why we see, as you say, record refreeze when we have more open water after a good melt (which mostly isn’t melt, but more of a move of the ice out to warmer seas). It makes no difference to anything if the Arctic ice were to completely disappear. Nothing would change and is all folly.
Google News only shows Alamists articles.
http://zeenews.india.com/news/eco-news/arctic-ocean-records-all-time-fifth-lowest-wintertime-sea-ice-extent_839692.html
Thirty year mean? It is only twenty-two at best, 1979-2000.
Why is data in this century not considered part of any ‘mean value’? Why do we not use the data from 1972, ’73, ’74, ’75, ’76, ’77 & ’78? Until these frauds start using all of the satellite data available, it is a waste of time to have these discussions. They have over forty years of satellite data, and they cherry pick about half to use as their ‘mean value’.
Bullshit.
Agreed!
If they were to update their mean to use the period of 1972 – 2010, then the mean would likely shift down – making each year after that (2011, 12 and 13) appear closer to the mean and less scary.
Kinda like why GISS still uses a period that ended about 30 years ago.
Hey! .. we can’t have any of that now. You are just talking crazy talk… 😉
From NSIDC we get this Arctic temperature chart:
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
Note that temps in the Arctic have gotten all the way up to 256K, or 17K (or C) below freezing. I think any melting todate is indicative or a sensor or algorythm problem. The ice won’t melt when temps are 17C below freezing!
You can find this chart, and much more, under the Sea Ice Reference page on wattsupwiththat.com
Bill
Here’s what frustrates me. Look at temperature profile for a few years. Wild swings in the winter, but a very stable temperature profile at the top of the curve.
If the arctic is warming faster than the rest of the planet, why isn’t the red line a lot higher at the top of the curve in 2012 than it was in any previous year? If anything, 2012 was below average temperature in the summer.
That is NOT temperature driven melt.
Jct: And yet how many are still telling us how the Arctic is melting.
NSIDC has an interactive graph that uses both the old )1979-2000 baseline and the new 1981-2010 baseline.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/
This periodicity is reminiscent of anecdotal evidence reported of years 1920-1930. Absolute salinity and thermohaline gradient would certainly influence rate of re-freezing,
NSIDC looked for nothing, correlated nothing, seeks nothing but reasons for alarmism