Now that we know that warming water causes sea ice extent to expand in the Southern Hemisphere here is my forecast for Point Barrow, Queensland :
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Steve,
It looks like you can see the ocean on the horizon in your webcam shot above. BTW, have you seen the satellite video of that huge ice fracturing in the Arctic since March 29? Simply amazing — they say it is more dramatic than usual because the ice is so thin and fragile.
Have you ever lived near the ocean?
People say all kinds of things when money is involved. The thickest ice along the Canadian coast (five metres) fractured during that time.
Steve,
Money involved? Are you saying that they doctored the satellite video for profit or that this type of fracturing is normal and they just say that it is thinner without proof? If I play along with you on this, how could any person make money from it? And who would pay them?
I’m saying that if you don’t quit wasting my time you are going to be spam.
Steve,
You raised the issue and, frankly, saying that money involved makes no sense to me.
The bankrupt EU is planning on spending $200 billion on this scam. Where do you think that money goes?
Steve,
I don’t know where the money goes, but I assume much of it would go into renewable (low CO2) fuel projects. However, I still don’t have a clue as to how you are connecting the EU to the Arctic — are you suggesting the EU is paying the people who operate American satellites to doctor the images or to lie about the significance of the fracturing?
I’m saying that you are an idiot.
As I have already told you, most of the fracturing event you are referring to was in five metre thick ice along the Canadian Coast. You chose to ignore that because you have an agenda and aren’t interested in the science.
Ice comes, ice goes. So what?
There is no data anywhere to say this is not entirely natural. If a great big split across the whole of the Arctic happened who can say it is not natural? No one, because we have not got enough data to say so. All this shouting and noise about this bit breaking off, or that big cracking is for the most part nonsense. Baseless, unnecessary scare-mongering.
When enough raw data has been collected, IMO at least 100+ years we can make a reasonable stab at what is happening. Till then just the facts should be reported (then grow a set) and man-up to the fact we don’t know what is happening.
I’m sorry that you are an idiot.
The desperation of the Warmists has been on full display recently. The earth hasn’t warmed in more than 16 years, climate-model projections of a CO2-triggered planetary meltdown have been thoroughly falsified, sea levels are stable and, in some places, declining, increased polar bear populations are a growing nuisance, Antarctic sea extent has reached a record maximum, and the recent hockey stick claims by Marcott et al. have been exposed as fraudulent.
So the Alarmists have resurrected their favorite global warming scare story — melting (in this case, ‘fracturing”) arctic sea ice. As long as there are big research bucks to be fleeced from taxpayers, greedy climatologists-turned-charlatans like Trenberth, Hansen, Mann, Jones and Schmidt will continue to promote the bogus AGW fairy tale.
“Then in February 1968 he set out with the British Trans-Arctic Expedition from Point Barrow, Alaska, to make the first surface crossing of the Arctic Ocean, via the North Pole, to Spitzbergen – a journey by dog-sledge of 3800 miles over shifting, fracturing ice.”
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/46453265
Environmental phenomena of the Beaufort Sea observed during the Leads Experiment.
This paper describes unique environmental phenomena observed during LEADEX (Leads Experiment), a multidisciplinary investigation staged from an ice camp in the Beaufort Sea during March and April 1992. The paper focuses on phenomena observed by NOAA, DMSP, and the European ERS-1 satellites. The opening and closing of a lead is studied using the synthetic aperture radar (SAR) data aboard ERS-1. With a mesoscale model, the authors examine the three-dimensional nature of meteorological phenomena and their effect on the opening and closing of leads and show that this model is extremely useful for interpreting structures evident in satellite and in situ observations along northern Alaska. Storms or wind events, which result in leads and fractured ice, also cause ice floes to rotate; the authors document this rotation with automated weather stations anchored to the floes. Finally, the authors describe unique thermal streaks that appeared over a large area of the Beaufort Sea during strong northeasterly winds and explore their nature using multichannel satellite data.”
American Meteorological Society, 1994 Nov
http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/58610420?versionId=71619529
Steve,
You said that the recent massive fracturing off the Canada coast was with thick multi-year ice. Are you certain? Because both NASA and the Canadian Ice Service say that the event was due to thinner ice.
NASAA satellite view of extensive sea-ice fracturing in the Beaufort Sea: http://www.bullfax.com/?q=node-%E2%80%98spectacular%E2%80%99-1000-kilometre-long-crack-rips-across-ice
“The ice in Canada’s western Arctic ripped open in a massive “fracturing event” this spring that spread like a wave across 1,000 kilometres of the Beaufort Sea.
Huge leads of water – some more than 500 kilometres long and as much as 70 kilometres across – opened up from Alaska to Canada’s Arctic islands as the massive ice sheet cracked as it was pushed around by strong winds and currents.
While ice fracturing is common in the Beaufort, few “events” have sprawled across such a large area so quickly or produced cracks as long and wide as those seen this spring, according to NASA Earth’s Observatory, which features the fractures this week. “It took just seven days for the fractures to progress across the entire area from west to east,” said Trudy Wohlleben, senior ice forecaster at the Canadian Ice Service. She said it was “spectacular” to watch from Ottawa, where she and her colleagues track the ice with satellites.
Scientists suggests the extensive fracturing this year may be linked to the way the Beaufort was covered almost completely by first-year ice that formed after the record summer Arctic ice melts in 2012. “This ice is thinner and weaker than the older, multi-year ice, so it responds more readily to winds and is more easily broken up,” said Walt Meier, of the U.S. National Snow & Ice Data Center. Wohlleben agreed the fact that there is less multi-year ice in the southern Beaufort may have played a role in the rapidness and extent of fracturing this spring. But she cautions that “is still just a theory, not yet a proven fact. ”She said it is will be interesting to see what becomes of the Arctic ice this summer. The 2012 record was widely seen as ominous evidence of the climate change warming the planet. “Everyone will be wondering if we beat the record again this year,” says Wohlleben.”
It’s worse than we ever thought possible then! We’ll make that FNQ, the Gold Coast is down the road a bit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_North_Queensland
I think he meant here –
http://seaice.alaska.edu/gi/observatories
Alaska? Australia? easily done but …
There is also a Barrow Point in Queensland where Cyclone Mahina struck on 5 Mar 1899. No sea ice on the horizon there, yet.
“Eyewitness Constable J. M. Kenny reported that a 48 ft (14.6 m) storm surge swept over their camp at Barrow Point atop a 40 ft (12 m) high ridge and reached 3 miles (5 km) inland, the largest storm surge ever recorded.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Mahina
wow, that’s a surge!
Further photographic evidence where warming water causes sea ice extent to expand in the Southern Hemisphere:
* Slices of paradise up for sale in Queensland
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/slices-of-paradise-up-for-sale-in-queensland/story-e6freon6-1226489457260
* WHY settle for owning one island when you can have an entire archipelago?
http://www.couriermail.com.au/realestate/news/duke-group-archipelago-off-central-queensland-for-sale-for-12-million/story-fndbosu3-1226489731559
Beautiful one day, perfect the next, sea level rise the day after that, or the day after that …
Ice is building on the west coast of Australia as well!
35 degrees here today! I bet you northern hemisphere types would love to winter down south.
http://www.cosmiccocktails.com.au/categories/slushie-machine-hire-perth/
It’s worse than we thought. It looks like rotten ice has gotten into the machinery as well.
I back Steven on this point were does a huge ice fracture along the Canadian coast means the whole of the arctic in this its not sst models show above average ice sheets more along eastern and the Barron straights and Spose when most ones told of a heat wave coming u saying fuck me I have to the snow shovel the nut jobs at the UN says so global warming heat means no snow or ice can form grow up. We secrete it has to be cold for snow ice even at the poles my best if u going to listen to UN my friend you need help look whats happening all around you lively hoods destroyed by snow and ice all over Europe and China thats some heat wave my friend lost 60 lambs plus load of sheep buried in snow and ice are climate cooling not warming hints why ice sheets at both endsof are planet ssitting above average
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I back Steven on this point. Where does a huge ice fracture along the Canadian coast mean[s] the whole of the arctic in this. Its not! SST models show above average ice sheets more along eastern and the Barron straights and…
Suppose when [the] most one is told of a heat wave coming, u [I’m] saying “fuck me! I have to the snow shovel!”
The nut jobs at the UN says “so global warming heat means no snow or ice can form”. Grow up. We secrete [I give up]…
It has to be cold for snow ice even at the poles. My best [recommendation?], if u going to listen to UN, my friend, you need help. Look whats happening all around you. Lively hoods destroyed by snow and ice all over Europe and China!! That’s some heat wave!! My friend lost 60 lambs plus load of sheep buried in snow and ice! Are [Is] climate cooling not warming? Hint – why [are] ice sheets at both ends of our planet sitting above average?
All in all, I concur with William, provided I have punctuated his note correctly.
All in all, I concur with William, provided I have punctuated his note correctly.
To paraphrase William: “fuck me! you can understand any of this gibberish?”