More record Cold In Greenland

Last July, Greenland broke the Northern Hemisphere record for July cold, and they are breaking cold records again.

Cold record on the ice sheet hit 2 times in May 2018

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115 Responses to More record Cold In Greenland

  1. arn says:

    Thanks god they changed the name from global warming to climate change.
    Now such anomalies can not only no longer be used by the sceptics
    to disprove
    but be weaponized by the cult to prove the world wide tax called Climate Change.

    (and i still wonder how those who tried to convince us that greenland ice is melting at recordlevels can explain how this melt is possible.
    Blame the warmer oceans as done with the arctic?
    Pretend that calving increases when it gets supercold?

    • Buck Turgidson9 says:

      The latest government junk climate “science” fiction is that warmer temperatures result in more ice snow and cold.
      “Good enough for government work”

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      After their early embarrassments with “global warming” they finally fail-proofed their hypothesis by postulating that every possible outcome is compatible with it and to be expected. It worked because “climate change” cultists are ignorant about the scientific method. They don’t know and they don’t care that a hypothesis that cannot be falsified is not science but an article of faith. They’ll keep yapping about “science”.

  2. With the volcanic eruptions this year, I wonder if we are in for some cooler years.

  3. Johansen says:

    Oops…. time to redirect our attack to the South Pole. That big thing with a crack is going to splash in the water and release some methane

  4. gregole says:

    So we have record cold in Greenland.

    CO2 at 400 ppm and record cold in the Arctic. I’m no authority, but isn’t there something the Klimate Klowns refer to as “Polar Amplification?”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_amplification

    Oh never mind.

  5. kyle_fouro says:

    It’s cold here, and warm somewhere else.

  6. Griff says:

    And?

    Are you alleging this is a change in the climate back to cold? Or what?

    • Tim A says:

      Make your own conclusions brainiac….or in your case….make up your own conclusions…..

      • Griff says:

        I was rather hoping tony would actually explain why on earth he keeps posting this stuff?

        what is it designed to show? what is the hypothesis this is proving??

        • Gator says:

          I was rather hoping tony would actually explain why on earth he keeps posting this stuff?

          To drive you moronic alarmists crazy. And it is working beautifully! Every day you sick bastards come here and piss and moan in response to Tony’s posts.

          Ring bell = drool. LOL

        • terak says:

          To show off his geologist skillz?

          • AndyG55 says:

            griff and terak are showing off their non-thinking skills.

            both highly trained.

          • Gator says:

            Speaking of skills drooler, how about you show some?

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

            I’m still waiting…

    • AndyG55 says:

      Griff DENIES the existence of the AMO cycle.

      Climate DENIAL is strong with griff.

  7. Thanks so much.
    I believe its the grand Solar Minimum, and the Cosmic ray ( Professor Henrik Svensmark)
    Its was not worm in Denmark 2017, and everyone forget how cold our spring was, with frost and snow, but as soon as there is worm somewhere, all the papers are over it, but with cold…..The papers are QUIRET….Look at the south pole, -50c right now and going down….down….South Africa is cold, australia is very cold, and the heat is over in Denmark………
    https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/antarctica/south-pole
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNPicpRw6l8
    Thanks all from the Danish grand solar minimum channel
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWSP7zcgQtxxcwZQXhuCo9g

    • terak says:

      The Sun has been weakening for 2 cycles and the atmospheric temperatures & ocean heat content keeps going up. It is probable an El Nino starts later this year.

      • AndyG55 says:

        terak thinks that turning a stove down from 10 to 8 makes things cool instantly. Can you get much DUMBER than that !!

        What sort of maybe El Nino, terak.

        Seems your ignorance is very deep.

        • terak says:

          Since the oceans are rising, they are not cooling. So where is the “extra” heat coming from that keeps heating up the atmosphere decades after the peak in solar output?

      • Gator says:

        Yes, after being the most active it has been in over a thousand years…

        4.4 Grand maxima of solar activity
        4.4.1 The modern episode of active sun
        We have been presently living in a period of very high sun activity with a level of activity that is unprecedentedly high for the last few centuries covered by direct solar observation. The sunspot number was growing rapidly between 1900 and 1940, with more than a doubling average group sunspot number, and has remained at that high level until recently (see Figure 1). Note that growth comes entirely from raising the cycle maximum amplitude, while sunspot activity always returns to a very low level around solar cycle minima. While the average group sunspot number for the period 1750 – 1900 was 35 ± 9 (39 ± 6, if the Dalton minimum in 1797 – 1828 is not counted), it stands high at the level of 75 ± 3 since 1950. Therefore the modern active sun episode, which started in the 1940s, can be regarded as the modern grand maximum of solar activity, as opposed to a grand minimum (Wilson, 1988b).

        http://cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/lrsp-2008-3Color.pdf

        • terak says:

          The variation in solar output is a small fraction of one percent….what will the next excuse be for global warming once the termperatures creep up later this year?

          • Gator says:

            Ms Terak, you are only referring to TSI, and you are again showing the breadth and depth of your ignorance.

            Try again?

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

            Still waiting…

          • terak says:

            Gator that’s the Shifting the burden fallacy. If you claim that the current rapid warming is “natural”, you need to provide evidence for it. Still waiting…

            Shifting the burden

            Fallacious shifting of the burden of proof occurs if someone makes a claim that needs justification, then demands that the opponent justify the opposite of the claim. The opponent has no such burden until evidence is presented for the claim.

          • Gator says:

            Ms Terak, the Null Hypothesis does not need to be proven, it needs to be disproven. That is how science works.

            Try again.

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

            Still waiting…

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Gator,

            Why should Ms Terak tell you what she believes about climate forcings when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?

            She is completely within her rights to make extraordinary claims about the Earth’s climate and it is your responsibility to disprove them.

          • terak says:

            Denialists produce about 1/500th of the number scientific papers than mainstream scientists do. Therefore they are always inconvenienced when they are asked to publish their evidence/results, to run experiments or to develop models. They cannot – it’s simply too hard!

            Case in point, wild claims about fraudulent adjustements of datasets that this site is making all the time. Have they led even into ONE meaningful publication? Ich don’t think so, it’s all just hot air for the gullible who do not NEED evidence.

          • Gator says:

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

            Still waiting…

          • Gator says:

            What exactly is the holdup Ms Terak?

            You reference the mountains of alarmist science papers available, so surely the answers to my queries are right there! Remember, this is “settled science” and “basic physics”, so get to it!

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

            Still waiting…

          • terak says:

            “There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here.”

            Where is your evidence for that? Let’s see the references :D

          • Gator says:

            Ms Terak, you are the party claiming there is a new paradigm, it is therefore up to youto provide proof of this.

            How old are you? You do not seem to have the slightest idea how science works.

            Try again…

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

            Still waiting…

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Gator, be patient and gentle. Ms Terak has never heard about this whole scientific method and null hypothesis thing …

            But she’s a progressive and she loves science so the burden of disproving is on you when she makes a claim.

            Because science.

            She’s waiting …

          • Gator says:

            But she knows her altimetry!

          • neal s says:

            Maybe Tony should for the umpteenth time post overlaid NASA then versus NASA now graphs where it shows plainly that NASA now does not match what they claimed and published previously. Since there is a common past to both graphs, I conclude that there is some combination of incompetence or lying then versus now.

            Unless you are ignorant or stupid or slavishly pushing a cause, you can’t possibly believe that both prior and current NASA graphs that refer to a common past are both accurate when they do not agree with each over for that common past.

  8. terak says:

    Your claim that there is “nothing unusual” going on needs evidence. So where is it? References please.

    • Gator says:

      Once again Ms Terak, you are the party claiming there is a new paradigm, it is therefore up to you to provide proof of this.

      Seriously, hold are you? You do not have the slightest idea how science works.

      Try again…

      1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

      2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

      There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

      Still waiting…

      • terak says:

        Shifting the burden of proof fallacy. An untenable position, which is why you keep repeating it I guess. Your “brown people” line of avoiding discussion is even dumber of course.

        • Gator says:

          Shifting the burden of proof fallacy.

          Wow! What a great example of psychological projection!

          Try again?

          1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

          2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

          There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

          Still waiting…

          • terak says:

            I have made no claims. Your claim that the current situation is “nothing unusual”, which I guess is codespeak for “no human influence in climate” requires evidence. Too bad denialtards rarely produce science..

          • Gator says:

            Sorry Ms Terak, but BAU needs no proof. It is cute that you think it does.

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

          • terak says:

            You would need to show some evidence that for example the current speed of warming is not unusual. Milankovitch cycles take thousands of years for example. Got anything?

          • Gator says:

            Sorry and Terak, but the Null Hypothesis still needs no defense.

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

          • terak says:

            Wrong Gator, the null hypothesis absolutely needs to be defended:

            “In the hypothesis testing approach of Jerzy Neyman and Egon Pearson, a null hypothesis is contrasted with an alternative hypothesis and the two hypotheses are distinguished on the basis of data, with certain error rates.”

            Got data? Let’s see it.

          • Gator says:

            Ms Terak, you are really trying hard to redefine the Scientific Method, but still failing utterly.

            Alarmists claim there is a new paradigm, so it is up to them to now prove this.

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “Shifting the burden of proof fallacy”

          Yep, terak, you HAVE to do that, because you KNOW that you have ZERO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.

          You do know the planet is only a tiny amount warmer than the COLDEST it has been in 10,000 years, don’t you ?

          Claims of “catastrophic ” warming are IDIOTIC to say the least.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “An untenable position”

          Yes, your position is TOTALLY UNTENABLE

          There is ZERO EVIDENCE to back it up.

          Your baseless assumptions are based on nothing but juvenile and erroneous fantasy comprehension of physics

          • terak says:

            “There is ZERO EVIDENCE to back it up.”

            If “there is” refers to “human influence on climate”, you need to look harder. Forget everything you read in blogs or heard in a church…

          • Gator says:

            Skeptics generally become skeptics because we actually do read the studies, and because we ignore the opinions of salesmen. Most of us here have scientific backgrounds which allow us to both read and comprehend the papers that are published.

            In fact, several surveys have shown that skeptics have s better grasp on climate change science, and science in general, than the AGW faithful. It’s what makes us skeptics, and not sheep.

            Try again?

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

            Still waiting…

          • RAH says:

            Yep, skeptics are skeptics because they didn’t accept the package without opening the box and checking out what’s in it. The sheep accept the package and carry it without question. They can’t think outside the box because they never even bothered to open the box and investigate what’s inside of it. They just accept it and run with it because that is what the rest of their tribe is doing. They are not thinking individuals but a part of the Borg. A Borg continually guided and led by what they see on the regular news. A Borg that demands acceptance, adherence, and compliance. A Borg which brainwashes them to the point that some become agents which must come to forums outside the Borg to, like this one to try and convert the unbelievers.

            I guess you can all figure out which one in this picture represents Tony and the skeptics and which one represents Griff, terak and the Borg.

            And that is why most are so hard to convert.

        • sunsettommy says:

          Terek, it is the claims of the warmists aka, the IPCC reports making CO2 the culprit. They are the one who post every 5 years a report with predictions/projections based on modeling scenarios.

          The ones that fail over and over. The NULL hypothesis still stands.

          Since it is the AGW conjecture that is the cornerstone of it all, it is the same people who have to provide real world evidence that it is real and ongoing. Skeptics only want verification of validated research, which are never provided, heck you ignore Gators question over and over.

          Since they failed to back up their models with empirical evidence, it stands to reason that they are no good.

          Skeptical people find a lot of holes in it, which is why you are all bothered by it, but you make clear you are NOT following the Scientific Method which doesn’t really exist in the warmist world, who lives on computer generated reality without verifiable results.

          It is YOU who is taken in by pseudoscience babble, heck you don’t even know what is the big deal about Sea ice changes, you just follow the warmist herd.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Tommy:

            Ms Terak would appreciate if you stopped interrupting her emotional outbursts with appeals to facts and reason.

          • terak says:

            sunsettommy, writing on blogs does not constitute “finding holes” in a scientific theory. Only publications count, and they will be subjected to public critique.

          • terak says:

            CW that’s dr. terak if you insist. let’s keep gender out of this.

          • Gator says:

            Dr? LOL

            Is Ms Terak a chiropractor?

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Tommy:

            Dr. Terak would appreciate if you stopped interrupting her emotional outbursts with appeals to facts and reason.

          • sunsettommy says:

            Dr. Terek,

            I didn’t refer to blogs at all in finding holes in the AGW conjecture. I stated:

            “Skeptical people find a lot of holes in it, which is why you are all bothered by it, but you make clear you are NOT following the Scientific Method which doesn’t really exist in the warmist world, who lives on computer generated reality without verifiable results.”

            There have been over 2,000 published papers that doesn’t support the AGW conjecture.

            You still haven’t answered Gators questions.

            It is YOUR ignorance is why you are a warmist loon.

          • terak says:

            sunsettommy can you post a few of the most influential papers that deny AGW?

          • sunsettommy says:

            The IPCC reports denied the efficacy of the AGW conjecture with this failed PREDICTION from the 1990 report:

            “If emissions follow a Business-as-usual pattern
            Under the IPCC Business as Usual emissions of greenhouse gases the average rate of increase of global mean temperature during the next century is estimated to be 0.3C per decade (with an uncertainty range of 0.2C – 0.5C)”

            http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_spm.pdf

            Reality is half that average rate and well below the Minimum warming rate.

            http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah6/from:1990/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1990

          • terak says:

            That earlier prediction by IPCC was not spot on, obviously. However, we should see whether the 0.13-15C per decade increases from now on.

            So are there influential papers denying AGW?

          • sunsettommy says:

            Terek, you ask a loaded question, which is why it isn’t getting answered.

            You write:

            “sunsettommy can you post a few of the most influential papers that deny AGW?”

            Since no skeptic denies that CO2 a trace IR absorber is absorbing a trace amount of OLWR, therefore your question is already wrong.

            Carry on.

          • Gator says:

            So are there influential papers denying AGW?

            You cannot deny that which has never been established. Prove your claimed “settled science”…

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

          • terak says:

            2000 papers denying AGW were mentioned. Did they have *any* impact or were they all in shithole journals like Creation Research?

          • Gator says:

            Ms Terak? Quit running from the truth. Can you…

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Your claim that there IS something unusual needs evidence

      There is ZERO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for warming by CO2

      The CO2 GHE has NEVER been observed or measured on this planet or any other planet.

      CO2 DOES NOT trap anything, it absorbs in a tiny thin band of low-energy radiation and immediately passes it to the rest (99.96%) of the atmosphere ,where it is dealt with by the normal operation of the gravity based thermal gradient.

      • terak says:

        andy how come Earth’s emission spectra has a dip at frequencies CO2 works as a greenhouse gas?

        • Gator says:

          1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

          2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

          There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

          • terak says:

            Gator that mantra of yours impedes critical thinking skills. If you think you can handle reality you should drop it..

          • Gator says:

            No, it impedes your ability to convince anyone that is here is a problem.

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

          • Gator says:

            Damn iPhone pigeon English!

            Worth repeating…

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

            Still waiting Chiropractor Terak.

          • sunsettommy says:

            No Terek,

            you were given an opportunity several times now to answer the question, your refusal and now your pathetic whining indicate that you have NOTHING to counter with.

            AS Gator stated, CO2 has very small absorption bands, TWO are in the very LOW ENEGRY area that doesn’t amount to much, only the one main band does it absorb a little bit of the OLWR. Yet even there it isn’t much because the main TERRESTRIAL outflow lies OUTSIDE of the main CO2 bandwidth area.

            CO2 at best absorbs around 6% of the outflow.

          • terak says:

            Gee it sure does look like that CO2 has created a YUGE drop in the radiance of Earth.

          • sunsettommy says:

            Terek, your proven inability to read the spectral chart is now legendary since it doesn’t even begin to support your irrational claim.

            That big drop is the OLWR you completely missed.

            Here is a far more revealing chart:

  9. Gator says:

    Ms Terak, climates change naturally, this is an undisputed fact. Nobody needs to prove this. The burden of proof falls on those who make new and as yet unsubstantiated claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

    2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

    There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

    Still waiting, stop stalling and weaseling.

    • terak says:

      “There is high confidence that annual mean surface warming
      since the 20th century has reversed long-term cooling trends
      of the past 5000 years in mid-to-high latitudes of the Northern
      Hemisphere (NH). ” -IPCC AR5

      If you are interested in the actual studies, which I seriously doubt, go and read them. Thanks to sci-hub there is no paywall any longer.

      • AndyG55 says:

        “High confidence”

        ROFLMAO

        in other words they have basically ZERO proof,.

        You really have ZERO clue about this stuff do you, terak.

        GULLIBILITY personified

        And WTF has that got to do with you CONSTANTING running and hiding form Gator’s questions.

        5000 years ago was MUCH warmer in the NH, by every known REAL data.

        History tells us that the NH are not even up to MWP temperatures yet.

        • Gator says:

          “High confidence” = “We believe”.

          Amen.

        • terak says:

          Go and read the studies first Andy. And then read some later studies that cite those (now older) studies in the IPCC report.

          There’s a shitload of unusual stuff going on, that is unusual in this stage of the interglacial (let’s say last 5000 years). Temperature, sea level, Antarctic ice shelf collapses etc. to name a few.

          • Gator says:

            No silly Ms Chiropractor, there is absolutely nothing unusual or unprecedented taking place.

            Why can’t you show us your thuper thecret thettled thience?

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

            Still waiting…

          • terak says:

            You should provide evidence that the sudden reversal of a 5000-year old cooling trend is “normal”. Is there a natural cycle that hits every 5000 years and what could it be? Got any references? Of course not…

          • RAH says:

            “You should provide evidence that the sudden reversal of a 5000-year old cooling trend is “normal”. Is there a natural cycle that hits every 5000 years and what could it be? Got any references? Of course not…”

            So you deny the Holocene Optimum, Roman warming period, and Medieval warming periods ever occurred?

          • terak says:

            Holocene optimum was more than 5000 years ago. If you have published studies contradicting this, I would like to read them:

            “There is high confidence that annual mean surface warming since the 20th century has reversed long-term cooling trends of the past 5000 years in mid-to-high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere (NH). ” -IPCC AR5

          • Gator says:

            “We believe that annual mean surface warming since the 20th century has reversed long-term cooling trends of the past 5000 years in mid-to-high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere (NH). ” -IPCC AR5

            That’s all that means. They believe.

            Now, what makes them believe this? Can they…

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

          • sunsettommy says:

            No the cooling trend of the last few thousand years is still dominant, the latest warming is about to end:

          • pmc47025 says:

            Terak,
            Most of your “sudden reversal” occurred after the LIA (~1860) and before fossil fuel CO2 increased (~1950). There is no evidence the “sudden reversal” is permanent. A “high confidence” rating from a corrupt political propaganda outlet is not evidence.

          • RAH says:

            Yes, and………?
            Of course we all know the climate works on regular time schedules. That there is only one factor in play and your inability to answer Gator’s questions is because you believe that CO2 is the control knob of earths climate (despite NO empirical evidence for that every happening before) and so ignore his continued queries as inconsequential.

          • terak says:

            Interesting figure sunsettommy, what is the source?

            We are now at pre-industrial + 1C which brings us to the level of the Minoan warm period.

          • RAH says:

            terak says:
            June 22, 2018 at 3:22 pm
            “Holocene optimum was more than 5000 years ago. If you have published studies contradicting this, I would like to read them”

            What? The current earth average is about 16 C.
            https://www.space.com/17816-earth-temperature.html
            According to ice cores the Minoan average was between 28 and 29 C.
            https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/nature/climate-change-history-the-fall-of-empires-come-when-warming-turns-of-cooling/

          • terak says:

            RAH no it wasn’t that warm, please try again, this time with references thanks.

          • AndyG55 says:

            ” which brings us to the level of the Minoan warm period.”

            What a load of absolute BS you keep coming out with !!

          • AndyG55 says:

            It is highly unlikely we are even up to the MWP yet.

            Explain Vikings buried in ground that is now permafrost.

            Explain tree stumps under retreating glaciers.

            Ignore History,

            Ignore SCIENCE

            Ignorance is all you have to maintain your rancid belief of AGW.

      • Gator says:

        1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

        2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

        There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

        Still waiting Ms Chiropractor…

      • sunsettommy says:

        High confidence based on Unverified climate models to year 2100. You that stupid, Terek?

        Here is how poor their “high confidence” quality is:

        The 1990 IPCC report PREDICTED an average of .30C per decade warming rate. That it would warm by 1C to year 2025.

        Reality is about HALF that rate per decade and even less than half for the 1C total warming with just a little over 6 year left to go.

        There goes my “high confidence” in the IPCC reports. This is normally called an EPIC fail!

        • terak says:

          The science improves.

          • sunsettommy says:

            No it is STILL wrong as they now state a .30C per decade warming trend, while we are seeing HALF that rate.

          • Gator says:

            Science is science, it does not improve or decline. Knowledge improves, but only if one is not following a failed hypothesis.

            Ms Terak, you keep yammering on and on about all these “studies” that prove man is warming the planet, so provide them. Show me the studies that…

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

          • terak says:

            What does AR5 predict for the warming rate?

          • sunsettommy says:

            Terek, apparently can NOT answer Gators questions.

            You are an empty warmist loon.

          • RAH says:

            Not one single part of the UN is a scientific body. It is a political body with agendas and any supposed scientific body that serves it is only there to advance those agendas. This is a fundamental truth that people like terak either don’t understand or deny because they agree with the POLITICAL agenda.

  10. sunsettommy says:

    It is clear that Terek is a TROLL for not answering specific questions, while getting his own given some due attention. It is a one sided debate where the little warmist loon doesn’t discuss anything, just most empty replies.

    The ignoramus doesn’t even seem to realize the IPCC themselves have been spectacularly wrong on the short term prediction/projections such as the following:

    Cyclone trends
    Snowfall trends
    Per Decade warming trend
    Lack of the Tropospheric “hot spot”
    Tornado trends
    and so on.

    The little git refuses to answer questions that are indeed relevant since it goes to the heart of the entire AGW debate

    Gator asked over and over,

    “1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

    2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.”

    Surely the little warmist loon can answer at least one of them……

    Snicker…………..

    • terak says:

      …still waiting for data arguing the current sudden warming jump to the level of the Minoan warm period is “natural”…hearing crickets so far…

      • Gator says:

        Until you can…

        1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

        And…

        2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

        We have nothing to prove.

        There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

      • sunsettommy says:

        Terek has NOTHING to offer here, he is a troll, nothing more.

        Refuses to debate, answer question, make numerous unsupported claims.

        This is the best warmists have to offer, no wonder they are getting creamed in forums.

      • AndyG55 says:

        “sudden warming jump to the level of the Minoan warm period”

        BULLSHIT !!

  11. sunsettommy says:

    Terek, made this unsupported claim,

    “There’s a shitload of unusual stuff going on, that is unusual in this stage of the interglacial (let’s say last 5000 years). Temperature, sea level, Antarctic ice shelf collapses etc. to name a few.”

    That was a few HOURS ago, it is still unsupported.

    When are you going to post it?

    Meanwhile another chart with several links behind it: http://www.c3headlines.com/2009/12/are-modern-temperatures-unprecedented-us-govt-greenland-ice-core-research-finds-theyre-not-even-clos.html

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