Trump Vs. Clinton

My dream is of a place and a time where America will once again be seen as the last best hope of earth.

  • Abraham Lincoln

Twenty four years after the Clinton family started North Korea’s nuclear weapons program, President Trump has ended it.

U.S. and North Korea Sign Pact to End Nuclear Dispute – NYTimes.com

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61 Responses to Trump Vs. Clinton

  1. TimA says:

    But but but….he’s not a constitutional scholar like big O….

    • arn says:

      Well- i guess that’s why the scholar was permantly breaking the constitution?!

    • Louis Hooffstetter says:

      Big O was a constitutional scholar who didn’t know how many states there are in the USA.
      Hmm…

      • Gator says:

        I saw an expose on what constitutional “scholars” are taught. It turns out they ignore the Constitution, and instead focus on precedents. See “Overton Window”.

  2. RAH says:

    When Trump came to town he let everyone know it would not be business as usual in DC. Clinton, Bush, and Obama all did business as usual. Now we see the unusual and I think most Americans like it!

    It is so unusual that 15 democrats in the HR, most worried about reelection, busted from the iron grip of the party leadership, to send a letter of support for the Presidents efforts to bring N. Korea out of the dark ages.

    Blue wave?

    • arn says:

      Bushs and Clintons did so much usual business that both clans were somehow involved in the Korea-Atom-Deal.

      The company that supplied Korea with the necessary equipment was ABB from Swiss.
      And at the top of ABB there was a guy called Donal Rumsfeld(it is all a small international family)-he was pushing for the deal while Bush (pretended) to be against it.
      After Bush became president he started to like the deal.

  3. RAH says:

    They woke me up at 02:40 Monday morning. Driver didn’t show up for a round trip to the Nissan facilities in Smyrna, TN. Used to be able to do that run in just under the legal 11 hour driving shift but no more. Far too much traffic now days. Nashville on I-24 being the worst of it. Then there is construction. Lots of it! On the way down in S. Indiana at the 9 mm on I-65 was delayed for 20 minutes due to a van burning up. On the way back up I stopped at Glendale, KY (I-65 mm 86) to take my 10 hour break since I was an hour short of being able to make it back. At 01:00 this morning I took off and ran right into another back up that ran as far ahead as I could see and so I jumped off and caught US 35E northbound to get to I-265 in Louisville. So what used to be a 10 hour 50 minute round trip drive time took me 12 hours and 40 minutes drive time.

    All of this kind of thing just shows how active the economy is. Lot’s of Hwy work. More traffic of all kinds. States and people have more money to spend.

  4. Colorado Wellington says:

    I remember my reactions when I listened to President Clinton describing his North Korea agreement in 1994. This sums it up well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ot2AS2biU

  5. The Other Brad says:

    First steps.

  6. Squidly says:

    The “left” (and Dumbocraps) are absolutely meltdown apoplectic today after our President Donald J. Trump signs agreement with North Korea.

    To show you how deranged the Dumbocraps and “left” are in this country, they would rather see our economy collapse or got to nuclear war than to see Trump succeed.

    Dumbocraps and the entire “left” in this country should be treated as enemy combatants. They are officially enemies of “We The People”, must be fought head on and summarily destroyed. It is time to cleanse our country of these vermin once and for all.

    • RAH says:

      “Dumbocraps and the entire “left” in this country should be treated as enemy combatants.”

      I’m getting ever more confident that they will be come November.

      • Squidly says:

        I sure hope so. They are actively subverting our social structure and severely harming our lives and prosperity. And I’m not just confining to Dumbocraps, but all of the open border Republicans as well. The GOP right now is attempting to pass an amnesty through Congress. Are you freaking kidding me? .. Do Republicans never learn a thing? .. Just look at the nose dive in the generic Congressional ballot since they began this amnesty quest.

        Dumbocraps are evil, Republicans are stupid.

        • Gator says:

          That’s why I am a Libertarian.

          • Squidly says:

            I am mostly, as well, although I take issue with some libertarian positions. But mostly, yeah, I am libertarian as well.

          • Gator says:

            Yeah, I find I agree with the overall Libertarian philosophy, even if not all of their positions. The philosophy of the Democrat party is suicidal Marxism, and whatever the hell the Republican philosophy is, is anyone’s guess.

          • Squidly says:

            I think you and I are probably pretty well aligned on the same page Gator. Something that I believe should be common sense.

            :-)

          • Louis Hooffstetter says:

            The older I get the more Libertarian I become.
            I don’t care what people do as long as they don’t hurt anyone but themselves, and taxpayers don’t have to pay for their stupidity.

          • Squidly says:

            Louis, very simply put and I very much agree.

        • Robertv says:

          The last decades the US people were only allowed to choose between a progressive democrat or a progressive republican. They are paid by the same institution which is the reason nothing ever changed.
          As long as a cancer has a blood supply it will grow. But all cancers will eventually kill the body it is feasting on and itself. A cancer is on a suicide mission.

    • Robertv says:

      I never understood why fascism is seen as something bad but communism as the way to go.
      Most russians saw the german army as a liberation force. Hitler was stupid to not see this otherwise he would have won the war in russia because most russians would have joined the germans

      • Squidly says:

        I never understood why nobody can explain the difference between Communism/Socialism and Fascism. Or more to the point, how Communism/Socialism isn’t Fascist.

        • E.M.Smith says:

          Fascism is militant National Socialism. Mussolini was a Socialist who was rejected by the party for wanting to be militant. The National Socialist German Workers Party was a racist and nationalist militant Socialism.

          The reason that they are called “right” is because Stalin called them “Right Wing” as they were one very very tiny step to the right from his International Socialism (aka communism).

          More details here:
          https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/06/04/conflating-right-wing-with-nationalist-with-populist-slovenia-hungary-italy/
          and here:
          https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/nationalist-socialists/

          Essentially the Progressives try to give you a choice between International Socialists on the “left” and National Socialists on the “far right”; leaving out classical liberals (more like modern Libertarians). American Progressives were so embarasses post W.W.II that they stole the name “Liberal” (thus it being more conservative in the rest of the British Empire, but not here).

          Hope that helps.

          • Squidly says:

            Well, the point I was making was, I don’t care what your flavor of socialism is (Communism, Marxism, Stalinism, Maoism, Leninism, etc…) .. they are still all fascist. … All of them!

        • Robertv says:

          A mafia family doesn’t allow competition in its territory. Hitler also used the divide and conquer race tool because a lot of jews belonged to the 1%. That made it a lot easier for him to gain the poor for his struggle for power.
          Because at the end it is all about absolute dictatorial power (Big Brother Government)

    • arn says:

      Well-there exists a more than 50 year old plan to collaps your countries economy.

      It is called the cloward-piven stratety.
      The plan was to flood your country with immigrants until the social systems collapses and use this as reason to implement a universal income.
      (considering that one can implement an universal income without collapsing a countries economy and that a good basic income of a collapsed country would be far below a bad basic income of a non collapsed country in terms of quality and purchasing power(a poor man has nothing to give) and that the democrat socialists have destroyed a socialistic country with basic income(lybia) and turned it into the usual islamic shithole(arab on black slavery is having a huge comeback there right now and unreported by MSM)
      i am 100% sure that the cloward piven strategy has zero benvolent
      means but was created for a tiny superrich minority as tool for controle.

  7. richard says:

    He seems to be a million miles away from a man who was supposed to be starting WW3.
    He is ending war games in S.Korea and saving money to boot- win win.

    Poor old Robert de Nero- just when he goes super crazy his nemesis, his bete noir, is actually out there making the world a safer place.

    Seems poor old Bob is up in arms at Trump’s trade deals. Guess old Bob has never changed his insurance, his electricity service company, his mobile company for a better trade deal.

  8. Colorado Wellington says:

    Progressive international analysts are complaining from their fainting couches that the North Korea summit “legitimises” Kim (in contrast, I presume, to President Obama’s wise statesmanship that didn’t “legitimise” Chavez, Castro and the ayatollahs).

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/back-slapping-trump-summit-legitimises-kim-critics-094441163.html

    • RAH says:

      You know just like everyone paying attention that has been watching, that Trump could walk on water and feed a stadium full of people with few loaves and bread and 2 fish and the critics would find something wrong with it.

      • Squidly says:

        I am laughing my butt off at the spectacle of the left. They are losing badly. And they aren’t helping themselves at all. I don’t believe I have ever seen the levels of stupidity that I am witnessing today. I no longer need Hollyweird to make movies for me (they haven’t got an original thought in their collective heads) for reality is playing the movie every single day. I wake up each day with a smile on my face just knowing I am going to be rewarded with another delicious dish of progressive (not “liberal” as there is nothing “liberal” about them) stupidity that will keep me laughing and entertained throughout the day.

        Anyone with an IQ greater than a turnip should now fully understand the “left” in this country, and just how pathetic they really are. Each day surely wakes a few more individuals to the gravity of our current situations. The pendulum is now swinging hard to the right.

      • neal s says:

        Should PDJT do as you suggest, the news reports might be along the lines of “Trump can’t swim” and complaints that the bread was not gluten free, or something wrong about the fish.

  9. Cam says:

    The Republicans took control of congress after the 94 midterms and refused to fund a large part of the framework agreement, including removing sanctions and 2 LWRs. Why should NK have followed its side of the bargain if the U.S. reneged on its?

    • Mark Luhman says:

      It was a bad deal to begin with, negotiated by idiots(our so called elites) why would an intelligent person support the piece of crap it was. Funny the same people negotiated the Iran deal, it is a good thing the Republicans failed to fund it, if the had the NK would have had missile and enough bombs to take out all our major cities by now.

  10. Richard Greene says:

    Please try not to be a Trump lapdog !
    Give Trump credit when meaningful
    things are accomplished — don’t jump
    to conclusions about what great things
    are gong to happen in North Korea
    and celebrate before
    anything happens !

    Nothing meaningful has happened so far.

    Clinton made a nuclear deal with NK in the 1990s and
    it took seven years for us to realize
    North Korea was cheating.

    Bush negotiated for four years with NK
    and nothing happened.

    North Korea has up to 100,000 political prisoners.

    And North Korea spent a lot of money on their
    nuclear program — they’re not going to throw
    everything away — they are probably moving
    labs and equipment to secret locations right now.

    Remember the Iran deal?

    They moved most of their nuclear program
    to military bases, and then told the world
    the bases were off limits for inspections!

    The North Korea “deal”
    has no deadline for a specific plan
    to be completed,
    no timetable for developing a plan,
    and no specific steps
    that must be part of a plan
    for denuclearization..

    The American taxpayers just spent a fortune
    for a President to shake hands with a dictator,
    making the dictator seem important.

    Maybe North Korea will pretend they
    are dismantling their nuclear program
    in trade for food, medicine, etc.

    I don’t think we’ll send them money
    like O’Bummer did to Iran.

    There is no history of any nuclear program
    in the world being shut down
    without bombs destroying facilities

    Will Trump do that?

    Not if he wants to be reelected.

    • Gator says:

      Don’t be such a Debbie Downer!

      I myself am looking forward to a stay in the new Trump Tower in Pyongyang. I hear the golf course is 18 holes of giant funnels.

      • Richard Greene says:

        I’m trying to be realistic
        based on the past denuclearization
        deals with North Korea, under Bill
        Clinton, and the Iran deal under
        Barak O’Bummer.

        After two failed deals with dictators,
        it would be approaching
        insanity to assume the
        third deal would work perfectly!

        We made a denuclearization deal
        with North Korea in the 1990s and
        now they have nuclear weapons —
        it took us seven years to realize
        they were “cheating”.

        We made a denuclearization deal with Iran
        where we gave them a lot of money
        (that was owed to the Shah,
        not really to the current
        leaders) and the deal required
        24 days notice before inspections
        and then Iran announced no inspections
        would be allowed at any military facility
        … which is where I assume they moved
        their nuclear program.

        You can trust a dictator if you want — I don’t

    • RAH says:

      Richard

      Nobody knows where this goes yet. BUT just the summit is historic because it is truly unprecedented. No DANK (Dumb Ass North Korean) head of state has ever sat down with a POTUS to discuss anything. And that alone is a reason for Trump being praised. Especially in the light of the fact that of how it has come about and the all of the pure BS the ankle biting pack of Chiwawas known as the US press has published to try and undermine this US president on any and every front.

      • Richard Greene says:

        RAH:
        The summit is unprecedented.

        The NK dictator gets elevated in stature
        just by being in the same room as Trump.

        But Nk has a pattern of causing trouble
        and then calming down after they get
        medical and food aid, not to mention the
        last denuclearization deal was a trick —
        I was no Bill Clinton fan, but he was a smart
        guy yet NK tricked him.

        Here’s my bottom line — North Korea spent
        a lot of money on their nuclear program
        and now have an ICBM and nuclear bomb.

        I don’t know if their ICBM is capable of
        carrying the large bomb they displayed,
        or going further than South Korea or Japan
        with any accuracy.

        Will NK throw away all their investment
        destroying everything, when they could hide bombs
        and missiles already built that we don’t know about?

        • RAH says:

          The DANK testing facility was destroyed because where they were blowing up their bombs was in a geologically unstable region. Thus now, lacking the computer capability to do valid simulations in leu of testing, we will know. An ICBM requires a reentry shield which is no easy task to create in a light enough form for the rocket to maximize it’s range. It took the PRC decades to develop the casings light and effective enough to be useful to make MIRVs possible. The DANKs have neither the metallurgical expertise or facilities to make their own reentry casings that are light enough to be practical for even one warhead. Thus to get one they will have be given one.

          Kim was not “elevated” by the meeting with the POTUS. He remains the ruthless dictator of a miserable undeveloped state that can’t even adequately feed it’s armed forces let alone all the general populace. What will Kim gain in a practical sense by this supposed elevation in prestige due to a meeting that He initiated after having had the highest levels of sanctions he had ever had in place against his government? The only practical thing he gained was an opportunity to convert some of his massive defense budget to other more productive areas with the US agreeing to end joint exercises with the South Korean military.

          It should be recognized that Kim took a big gamble even coming to the summit. There was a reason he gutted the top leadership of his military just before leaving. There are still plenty of hardliners from his fathers era in the system and some of them will look up his actions as a betrayal of everything they know and of his fathers legacy.

          • Richard Greene says:

            To RAH:
            “The DANK testing facility was destroyed because where they were blowing up their bombs was in a geologically unstable region.”

            The facility was half destroyed and no longer usable, so NK made “closing it” into a propaganda moment — yet another reason not to trust them !
            .
            .
            “It took the PRC decades to develop the casings light and effective enough to be useful to make MIRVs possible.”
            .
            True, but PRC is quite friendly with NK. Would they sell the technology for enough money?
            .
            .
            Kim was not “elevated” by the meeting with the POTUS. He remains the ruthless dictator of a miserable undeveloped state”
            .
            Kim WAS elevated by NK’s media: A KCNA report published after Kim returned home from his meeting, noted Trump’s vow to suspend U.S. military drills in South Korea. It also said Trump committed to unspecified “security guarantees” for Pyongyang, and to “lift sanctions against it.”
            Yet another reason not to trust North Korea !
            .
            .
            Also, did it ever occur to you that a North Koran nuclear bomb can be delivered by airplane, rather than ICBM? Maybe an ICBM would be needed to reach the US, but a nuclear bomb dropped from an airplane is a huge threat to our allies, and our troops, in nearby South Korea and Japan?

    • RAH says:

      As for a Nobel Peace Prize for Trump? No matter what happens I got $10.00 that says that will never happen. When Reagan forced Spot to the bargain away the USSR the US press did all they could to try and make it seem it was just the Russians changing their ways despite Reagans policies and actions and the Norwegian socialists gave the prize to Spot.

      • neal s says:

        If the Nobel Peace Prize were awarded to Trump, I would not be at all surprised if he told them that he would refuse to accept it unless they were to first take that prize away from Ozero and Yasser Arafat.

      • Richard Greene says:

        O’Bummer got a Nobel Peace Prize, yet was at war every single day of his eight years in office !

        Reagan won the cold war, and he didn’t get a Prize !

        You can trust Norwegian socialists to do the opposite of what is logical and right !

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Richard, my mother always said I must try not to be a Trump lapdog.

  11. Jb says:

    I think u left off the word “crime” between ” Clinton” and “family” (probably someone already commented on this oversight and more probably u probably did this on purpose to trigger my comment!)

  12. --B-- says:

    The articles are being written that Trump is bad for saying nice things about NK’s dear leader. That no US president has ever done that before, saying nice things about a dictator (even said by a republican). Guess they just forgot about “Uncle Joe” Stalin.

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