Droner has promised to kill dozens of children, which makes leftists very happy.
One Facebook page is proclaiming Dorner for president. “We propose electing a man who could no longer sit idly by and watch as malicious tyrants abuse the innocent.”
The description on “We Are All Chris Dorner” chillingly says, “Yes, this is war.”
Nearly 3,000 people like the page “I Support Christopher Jordan Dorner.”
Support Growing For Former L.A. Officer Accused Of Killing Spree « CBS Sacramento
This is more evidence of an increasing mentally ill society we live in.
I expect it is not Leftists, per se, but racist blacks (and anyone with an obsessive hatred of the police, particularly in Los Angeles). I can almost hear “Rodney King” being echoed throughout that city.
Some times I worry about you boys. NBK having a replay as life imitates art.
I think you’d be hard pressed to find support for Dorner from the left. Mentally ill people with firearms killing people usually don’t make our favorites list. Also, from your perspective, isn’t that how the craziest folks on the right see the world? The idea behind private gun ownership is that you can fight against the tyrannies of government. Police, the military, the courts, the IRS, even schools are part of government. Got a gripe with any of the above, pull out your gun(s.) We on the left think that generally disputes should be through the courts and not shootouts. Most of us also think that attacking or threatening force against any part of our own elected government is domestic terrorism, not freedom fighting.
Lefties constantly fantasize about shootouts. The point of having a well armed citizenry is that it is a deterrent. Most people where I live are armed, but the violent crime rate is essentially zero. No one would dare pull out a gun when everyone else is armed.
Domestic terrorism is also a mindless fantasy of the left, other than green groups attacking industry.
Cite some examples of “domestic terrorism” other than a few crazy people acting on their own. It is complete bullshit.
Come on Steven, too easy.
The well known right wing Weather Underground …no wait…
The well known right wing SLA…no wait…
The well known right wing MOVE…no wait…
Give me a few centuries…I’ll be back
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbionese_Liberation_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE
Why wait Ben? I have here a link to a 2009 Homeland Security Report titled: Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political
Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
This is an interesting quote: “Fifty-six percent of domestic terrorist attacks and plots in the U.S. since 1995 have been perpetrated by right-wing extremists, as compared to 30 percent by ecoterrorists and 12 percent by Islamic extremists. Right-wing extremism has been responsible for the greatest number of terrorist incidents in the U.S. in 13 of the 17 years since the Oklahoma City bombing.”
Projecting again Coolwhip?
Timothy McVeigh…prior to 11 September attacks, I think he was responsible for the largest terror attack on the US.
Here’s a quote attributed to McVeigh:”The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.[24]”
Sounds like a lot of folks on the right today.
Yea, like Kaczynski (oops! He was left wing – inspired by Gore no less).
How about Floyd Lee Corkins (oops! Got his target from the SPLC!)
How about Jared Laughner (oops! Did not think Giffords was liberal enough)
How about John Allen Mohammed (Oops! Nation of Islam member)
So gee, can you find a publication from the Obama administration that says everyone not left of Mao must be right? Guess so. can you actually CITE examples where the Tea Party engaged in violence? So far, nope! But the feds have them down as a terrorist organization.
Kind of like the charges against the Jews 80 years ago in Germany.
Sounds like a lot of folks on the right today and it being allot of the folks on the right today is a different story, now is it.
Drewski,
I read the pdf several times, and couldn’t find your quote anywhere. So then I dug.
It didn’t take me long to determine your stat came from thinkprogress.org, not from the report.
It didn’t take me long to determine the report you cite, was withdrawn.
Slick move, sir. Very slick.
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/unaddressed-threats.jpg
I’ll ignore the rest of your absurd remarks, most of which are demonstrably inaccurate and irrational. Instead, I’ll address this one:
“The idea behind private gun ownership is that you can fight against the tyrannies of government.”
The idea behind the 2nd Amendment is to PREVENT the tyranny of government. Which crazed, gun-toting group of right-wingers have you observed opening fire on the police, military, courts, IRS or schools? Or even advocated for such?
Get real. And the vast majority in the camp of “I condemn the murders of innocents by Dorner, BUT …” are obvious lefties.
And Che Guevara was a pacifist.
Typical liberal myopia. The fact of the matter is that Dorner IS gaining a lot of support on the left. The fact of the matter IS that the left is the group that loves to resort to violence when their childish demands are not met (see OWS – 651 incidents of violence, TEA Party – 0). You on the left are happy as pigs in slop when you are getting your way. But woe be to the idiot that stands in your way! Need some tweets about Mia Love to demonstrate that point?
Why is this a surprise to anyone? The left loves mass murderers – if they profess the right dogma.
Reblogged this on Climate Ponderings.
I see the defenders of Dorner are dragging out McVeigh, again. It’s all they have. Time after time, the murderous nutballs have been proven to be either leftists or apolitical. And every time, they drag out McVeigh who has been long dead and buried.
Can you honestly find a defender of Dorner? Really? How did he end up on the left anyhow? I thought we were against guns. And he’s fighting the all repressive government that we love and you despise. Also I think the death toll from McVeigh covers a couple decades of leftist terrorism in the US. Looking at most of the last terror attacks on the US, most of them appeared right leaning to me: anti abortion, anti IRS, anti government, anti Jewish etc.
Yeah, that was the thought but reality is a different story now isn’t it.
Or maybe your like this err something!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s
I have no desire to debate someone who is purposely dense. Have you not read his ‘manifesto?’ It’s been all over the internet. Along with the comments of folks who have now made him their hero, and have created Twitter accounts in his honor (Dorner for President, for example).
Dorner is pro-gun bans. He praised Obama, Biden, Feinstein, Hillary, Chris Matthews, etc, etc. He is not ‘fighting the government;’ his beef is with the LAPD. So, many, many examples of left wing (or apolitical) lunatics is overshadowed by one right wing lunatic … because the one incident had a higher body count? Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
Anti-Jewish is now a right wing attribute? Go figure.
“Anti-government” comes from both sides. I have very vivid memories of the 60’s and 70’s … hippies and flower children were NOT right wingers. Neither were the haters during the Reagan, or Bush 41 and Bush 43 administrations.
Rather than carry on this stupid argument, why don’t we just admit that there are extremists and lunatics on both sides of the political fence? Myself, I disavow all lunatics from the right side. Maybe you could do the same … BUT you would first have to admit that they exist.
halbart – you are living in the distant past hanging to hatred of some psycho. People like you are exactly what is wrong with America
Against guns? Whatever gave you that idea? The sheep are bleating the line, but the power of the left still pack and hire armed guards.
The left just does not want YOU to have guns. They have no problem packing their own (or hiring someone who has one). O’Donnell. Pelosi, Feinstein, etc.
Ok, so this whole conversation is pretty weird to start with. I’m no expert on Dorner, nor are you, but the title “leftists rally around mass child murder” is a good place to start. First off, do you know any liberals? Go ask a friend, coworker, family member who is as liberal as you can find: do you suport Dorner? I’m a liberal, I have liberal friends and I don’t know anybody who doesn’t think he’s really messed up. Secondly, as far as I know, he hasn’t killed any children. Is there a reason other than deceit to include “mass child murderer” in the title? There seems to be enough bad stuff Dorner has done you don’t have to make things up. So does “rally around” mean you can find enough supporters who hit “like” on facebook in the whole entire world that would fill a high school sports stadium in middle America? So 3k people liked Dorner on FB? Well “hey McDonalds, may i have some coke with my ice?!” has 170,594 likes.
Geezer states: “Dorner is pro-gun bans. He praised Obama, Biden, Feinstein, Hillary, Chris Matthews, etc” but of course you cherry picked and omitted other folks he supported: “The honorable President George H.W. Bush, they never give you enough credit for your successful Presidency. You were always one of my favorite Presidents (2nd favorite). I hope your health improves greatly. You are the epitome of an American and service to country.” Dorner also chimed in on behalf of Senior Enlisted Advisors, Petraeus, Cosby, Brubeck.
As for Dorner supporting gun control, I don’t think he should be armed, do you? I don’t know what to make of the fact that an armed civilian shooting people up claims to favor gun control, I guess in this case he’s proven his point.
Geezer, you also say that anti-government is both a liberal and conservative issue. I agree with you. But the suggestion of violence against government seems largely from the right. I’ve participated in a number of similar discussions, and it’s quite common to see pro gun folks make threats of violence if they are required to license their weapons, as well as against various agencies like the IRS as an example. Sure there are left wing nuts out there too. But I think the left in the US has moved to the center and the right has fallen off the cliff in the past couple of decades. Remember when fringe elements on the left would claim that communism would work even though they had precious little real world proof. Not many liberals want to nationalize key industries any more. But there are many on the right that claim that a tiny government would lead to some sort of utopia. But the places with the least government don’t look to nice to most of us, you can strap on your fully auto m4 with all the rounds you want and wander through rural Somalia with no government to stop you. But most of us want rules, regulations, paved roads, city water and sewer. So keep stockpiling ammo and buy seed kits and finish your shelter waiting for the apocalypse if you like.
Geezer also wrote: “Anti-Jewish is now a right wing attribute? Go figure.” Back in the days when I would visit gun shows, there was a surprising amount of Nazi paraphernalia being sold, maybe things have changed? Jews used to vote almost entirely Democratic, I think it was down to about 70% in the last election. Several of the other discussions I’ve been involved in on this issue had terms like “JewWorldOrder” tossed about. And I’m guessing this isn’t everybody on the right, but a hell of alot more than the pro Dorner crowd. Furthermore, here are a few anti gun control titles from youtube:
JEWISH GUN CONTROL IN THE UNITED STATE : LEGISLATION 1968 PRESENT
by Georgekan3•9 months ago•4,800 views
Most U.S. Federal gun control legislation has been written, introduced, and….
Why Do So Many Jews Support Gun Control by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership..flv
by Hal Shurtleff•1 year ago•810 views
A documentary from Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.
Jewish Gun Control In The United States.
by CelticAngloPresss•6 months ago•446 views
No guns for jews
by VASSAGO183•1 year ago•3,017 views
Why do so many jews support gun control in the u.s? many jewish politicians and
@Halberts2013 “First off, do you know any liberals? Go ask a friend, coworker, family member who is as liberal as you can find: do you suport Dorner? I’m a liberal, I have liberal friends and I don’t know anybody who doesn’t think he’s really messed up.”
So you know EVERY leftist? A miracle of miracles! No one has stated EVERY leftist supports him, but there is plenty of evidence that some do. And the title is “leftists” which means more than one, but less than all (since the adjective all was not used).
It is good to see SOME leftists (such as yourself and acquaintances) do not support him. Just as it is good to see that some Muslims do not support terrorists.
That was a very long, anti-fact screed.
‘Mass child murderer’ may be a little over-the-top as headlines go, but it IS based on Dorner’s actions and his manifesto. One of his stated goals is to take out the families of his ‘enemies.’ He already killed one of those children and her fiance. No reason not to believe that, if he has the chance, he will kill more.
Yeah, he did praise GHW Bush. But the majority of his praise was for lefties of all persuasions. Cosby, Petraeus, Brubeck? Are they supposed to be righties? Petraeus is apolitical, he even admits to never having voted.
“I don’t know what to make of the fact that an armed civilian shooting people up claims to favor gun control … ” CLAIMS? From his manifesto … “Wayne LaPierre, President of the NRA, you are a vile and inhumane piece of shit.” Liberals, above all, are masters of hypocrisy. Of course, as stated earlier, Liberals want to keep their guns, they just want us to give up ours … so we’re helpless against the likes of him.
“the suggestion of violence against government seems largely from the right.” I suspect you are referring to anonymous posts on the internet. Oooh, how scary. Suggestion is not the same as action … and I’ve heard the same violent ‘suggestions’ from the left. Your impressions are governed by your leftist leanings and are irrelevant … along with your perception that the right has gone extreme right while the left has gone centrist. That is simply delusional.
Somalia? Really? The rest of your post is pretty much gibberish.
The strange thing I see is how they try to align people on the right with the Reich like Coolwhip did with his Neo Nazism and the like. That’s too funny considering what Hitler was and the bullshit coming from the climate crusaders over the last few years. But hey, correlation doesn’t equal causation as we say, but the projection from the leftist hypocrites appears to support it err something. But hey, McVeigh got his trial and got what he deserved.
“The strange thing I see is how they try to align people on the right with the Reich like Coolwhip did with his Neo Nazism”.
WTF?
Are you saying that I associate conservative/Republican Americans to Neo Nazis because I posted this 2009 quote from the Department of Homeland Security?: “Fifty-six percent of domestic terrorist attacks and plots in the U.S. since 1995 have been perpetrated by right-wing extremists, as compared to 30 percent by ecoterrorists and 12 percent by Islamic extremists. Right-wing extremism has been responsible for the greatest number of terrorist incidents in the U.S. in 13 of the 17 years since the Oklahoma City bombing.”
If that is what you believe,’me’, you couldn’t be more wrong.
The DHS number is complete bullshit and Obama administration propaganda. Their site links to nine tax evaders and no instances of violence.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/dhs-needs-a-billion-rounds-of-ammunition-to-stop-nine-tax-evaders/
You can choose to mindlessly fall into Obama’s trap, or you can use your brain instead.
Waco was govt. tryanny and there has been 50 documented thwarted attacks by radical Islamist. Most of the 56% plots were white supremists groups operating out of their basement mostly boasting after a drunken party because they can’t seem to come up with names and places. They are right up there with 3rd graders pointing a chicken finger and saying “pow”. Of course they get arrested also.
I recently saw a documentary called The War On Kids. That was really eye-opening and enraging as far as these people don’t have a shred of sense. Don’t miss it if possible.
Wow! I had no idea that the Obama administration had taken over and perverted the Dept. of Homeland Security. And to think Obama managed to it within 75 days of taking office (Homeland report was published on April 7, 2009).
It is just incredible news,Steven. You wouldn’t happen to have a graph of this do you?
You had no idea the Obama administration had taken over? What rock have you been under for the past 5 years?
The Department of Homeland Security is a cabinet level “department” It is controlled by the President – like the Department of Education and the Department of Energy. Have you ever heard of the “cabinet” ? Perhaps not.
Stop being stupid, it is really annoying.
The Report was withdrawn.
Sorry to be annoying Steven, but you are asking us to believe that a Homeland report which had compiled data for at least 15 years was derailed and perverted by a brand new president within 3 months of his taking office and while he was presiding over the worst financial crisis our country had seen since the 1920’s.
And you accuse me of being stupid.
The report has also been withdrawn and debunked. So I guess he is calling you stupid – if you cannot learn from your mistakes.
Right wing terrorism is a left-wing fantasy, like catastrophic global warming and sea level rise. The NRA is the exact opposite of terrorists. They are the staunchest defenders of US law, safety and freedom.
And I suppose Homeland Security makes up their reports like climate scientists do in order to stay on the “gravy train” and keep the money flowing. But what about Timothy McVeigh? Does he really exist? Is this another vast government conspiracy?
My God, Steven! This is serious stuff. I will call the NRA pronto with what we have discovered and we need you to get at least a dozen graphs out by tomorrow. Can you do it?
Read up here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Michael_Trentadue
Eric Holder was possibly involved in the OKC bombing. It may have been a sting operation which got out of control.
You are an idiot, and you are starting to spam. I have minimal patience for idiots who are unwilling to attempt to think.
I will grant that the the story is troubling, but to associate this with a Homeland Security report issued more than a decade after is a bridge too far. And to maintain that there is some super secret society of subverted scientists (the SSSSS) manipulating data to convince us that the world is warming to gain some financial control of our lives is a concept so far out there, you would need a space ship to get back.
Well you posted it, did you even read it?
RE: because I posted this 2009 quote from the Department of Homeland Security?
The true source of your quote. I read you linked, withdrawn report
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/unaddressed-threats.jpg
Well somebody has to think for him. Drewski want a cracker? 😆
Ya see Ben, tha’t why I asked if he read the report he posted! 😆
What was McVeigh doing in that tank in uniform after his discharge? How did 100% of the videotapes of the event disappear? Who put the bombs inside the Murrah building? Why did John Doe No. 2 get excised from the investigation?
You seem to have entered deeply into conspiracy theory territory. However, I can answer one of your question … “Who put the bombs inside the Murrah building?”
Nobody. There were no bombs inside the building. McVeigh drove a truck loaded with gas and fertilizer to the front of the building and exploded it from there.
What’s your point?
Who taught Terry Nichols how to make the bomb?
“In his report The Oklahoma City Bombing: Was There A Foreign Connection? (.pdf), International Relations Committee chairman Dana Rohrabacher (R – California), presents evidence suggesting that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols may have been assisted in the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building by “Middle Easterners” and “a German national living at an extremist compound in eastern Oklahoma.”
http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2007/01/02/oklahoma-city-bombing-an-al-qaeda-connection.htm
Read Jayna Davis’ “The Third Terrorist”.
Drewski … this, from the DHS report that you posted:
“The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment.”
“Rightwing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first African American president …”
I stopped reading after that.
And you’re saying that this report wasn’t ‘derailed and perverted’ by Obama cuz he was in office for only 3 months and he was just so darn busy with the economic situation?? Really? You say the report was 15 years in the making, but the DHS, in the introduction, managed to blame right wingers reaction to the ‘first black president’ … TWICE!
Unless, of course, the DHS meant Bill Clinton, who liked to call himself the ‘1st black president.’ Do you suppose that’s who they meant?
TeaPartyGeezer,
The report was withdrawn by Janet N., and does NOT contain the statistic Drewski keeps “quoting”.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2009/04/napolitano_comments_on_right_w.html
Yeah, I saw that it was withdrawn. Actually, not so much withdrawn, as ‘suppressed’ (per the Southern Poverty Law Center). Apparently, the report was the brainstorm of one bureaucrat who, in 2007, saw that Obama might be elected and decided to do a ‘what if’ (a black man was elected president) investigation. He ‘discovered’ increased chatter of possible unrest. No action, no plans, just talk.
Drewski is another liberal flake making it up as he goes. I can’t tell … is he defending Dorner? Or is this a case of ‘Dorner is bad but you people are worse?’
Also, by the time the report was withdrawn, the damage had already been done. Whenever another lefty goes on a murderous rampage, the lefties come out of the woodwork and use that DHS report to slime all conservatives. It was, after all, written by/for the DHS and the DHS can’t be wrong, can they? Sheesh.
I work with mostly “liberals” (actually progressives, and about 80% of the office) and have overheard a number of them say they side with Dorner. I am the only person in the office that I have heard roundly denouncing this animal. I am quick to remind them that Dorner killed a man’s daughter, and then called ‘daddy’ to taunt him a about how he was responsible for his daughter’s death.
It’s Mumia Abu-Jamal all over again. Only much worse.