Greg Laden is trying to return to 16th century witch burning days with his psychotic, dishonest rantings about the weather.
Are the climate science deniers criminals?
Posted by Greg Laden on March 16, 2014
Our future is at risk. The science is settled, in the main, though there are many details to continue to work out and there are unknowns. But no one doubts that business as usual release of fossil carbon into the atmosphere mainly as the greenhouse gas Carbon Dioxide spells big trouble for humanity and the planet Earth, including eventual massive sea level rise and highly disruptive changes in the Earth’s climatology that will make a mess of many things including our food supply. Think failed state. Think Syria. Now, think failed planet, Syria over half the globe, the other half merely a mess. That’s what we are heading for.
Are the climate science deniers criminals? – Greg Laden’s Blog
I must have missed the part in the IPCC report discussing massive sea level rise. These whack jobs have been trying to scare people about the food supply for half a century. Greg needs psychological evaluation. He is clearly deranged.
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h/t to Chris Beal
NASA alarmists say we are all doomed!!!!
http://northdenvernews.com/nasa-funded-study-says-we-are-headed-to-civilization-collapse/
Here is their evidence that climate change is gonna kill us all!!! OMG! My baby!!
http://youtu.be/_OSaJE2rqxU
Actually, Steve, the whack-job meme over the food supply these idiots are fear-mongering about is just a rehashed version of Thomas Malthus’ (a “Christian” minister, 1798) lack of faith in God’s provision for humanity for those who actually want it. Malthus needed a psychological evaluation. So, how much more his devotees who bitterly cling to his failed predictions? (See also Ehrlich, Paul & Holdren, John).
http://www.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2011/11/02/7-billion-reasons-why-malthus-was-wrong
So many are still falling into the same trap (like Malthus and Ehrlich) of grossly underestimating human ingenuity. Ironic that the ones who have absolutely none are those that receive the most attention.
I think the latest scare tactic is quite funny.
“Professor Andy Challinor, from the School of Earth and Environment at the University of Leeds and lead author of the study, said: “Our research shows that crop yields will be negatively affected by climate change much earlier than expected.””
http://m.phys.org/news/2014-03-climate-crop-yields-sooner-thought.html
Warmer temperatures reduce crop yields??? Climate crapola!
Two proven contradictions:
1. more CO2 produces greater plant growth and crop yields.
2. Cold temperatures kill crops and reduces the growing season.
The University of Leeds produces idiots or carbon tax stooges.
It appears Professor Challinor hasn’t seen this recent study:
http://nipccreport.org/articles/2014/mar/11mar2014a1.html
“In concluding, the U.S. research team declares that “from this remarkable 30-year archive of satellite imagery, we thus see evidence of a greening trend,” which clearly indicates that the net result of the climatic and physiological effects of atmospheric CO2 enrichment on Earth’s terrestrial plant life has in the mean been decidedly beneficial.”
The paper can be found here, and downloading the .pdf is free. Seems the plants on earth are actually doing just fine – actually better than ever. So how is it that crop yields will fall?
I always loved the The Great Horse-Manure Crisis of 1894
Obviously the ‘Crisis’ never came to pass. If the *&%$! regulators would get the HE!! out of the way humans have the ability to solve problems however as H. L. Mencken said
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
and there is always some idiot ivory tower type with nothing useful to do who is willing to think up the next hobgoblin for the politicians in return for generous grants.
This has nothing to do with ingenuity. Ingenuity can overcome real problems and challenges.
The AGW scam is merely that, “A scam”, what is required is simple intelligence and common sense. An application of intellect to the data put in front of us.
The ingenuity is on the part of the AGW’ers and their ingenious methods of falsifying the facts and framing the arguments to suit their agenda.
I agree.
The delusion that frightened world leaders – with an army of consensus scientists – can direct the world is extremely dangerous.
Fortunately the power that controls the world will probably intervene to restore sanity (contact with reality).
“We can scare the world with stories of disaster, but you cannot tell us we are wrong”
Those who seek to criminalise free speech are criminals themselves.
Yep, he would make a fine Aztec High priest;
“Sacrifice more virgins, QUICKLY, I think I see a rain cloud approaching”…..
Deranged is about right,
Cheers, Kevin.
OK, all young ladies wishing to be protected from becoming “sacrifices” can apply to me and I will personally ensure that they no longer qualify for holy consecration.
Services offered at a moderate charge. Proof of age required.
Slightly experienced ladies, if you are not sure, why take a chance, make certain that you do not qualify by taking advantage of this offer.
“highly disruptive changes in the Earth’s climatology that will make a mess of many things including our food supply.”
“Greg needs psychological evaluation.” He needs a dictionary, too. What definition of climatology is Laden using?
Climatology
noun
The meteorological study of climates and their phenomena.
Climatology
noun
the science that deals with the phenomena of climates or climatic conditions.
How can you have highly disruptive changes to study, or disruptive changes to science? If he gets fired?
Laden operates on the idea that he who has the best superficially impressive jargon can convince the rubes. However, he seems to under-cut his own idea by using the childish and vague phrase”make a mess of many things” unless he’s using his Madonna like English accent on us.
Sadly, Mr. Laden is technically correct. There actually have been “highly disruptive changes in the Earth’s climatology”. He should know; he is one of the criminals at least partly responsible for the serious decline in scientific rigour in the study of climate. The lack of disprovable predictions, the fraudulent “adjustments” to data, the shouting down of opposing ideas — yes, I would say that climatology has been highly disrupted.
As for “that will make a mess of many things including our food supply”, yes, that is pretty obvious too. Not to mention making a mess of our energy sources, our ability to travel, killing off birds with massive wind farms, etc.
The only thing Mr. Laden did not do is plainly state that he is actually in favor of destroying western civilization.
As some have asked, even if the AGW hypothesis is real, which country gets to adjust the thermostat; the northern ones who’d like it a bit warmer or the mid-latitude ones that like it a tad cooler.
Greg is in need of medication if he believes that C02 is able to stop the next planetary glaciation mode from beginning!
There are times I really wish the next glaciation would start just to shut the warmists up.
My point of view is similar to William McClenney since I too have no children:
His article on how repeated glaciations caused increases in ‘homo’ brain weight (speciation level events) makes his comment even more fun.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/McClenneyPart_IV.pdf from http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/the_sky_is_falling_or_revising_the_nine_times_rule/
Given the utter stupidity exhibited by the ‘Best and Brightest’ of humanity aka Academia, maybe it really is time for the next through cleansing of the Gene Pool.
As I said I have no children to be concerned about. One wonders if the ultra-rich (who are well aware of the impending glaciation no matter what they say in public) will really survive with their wealth intact or if the militant hordes will overwhelm them as has happened during all the other historical cold periods.
The next glacial period will inevitably bring also the new leap in evolution, starting by the re-definition of human society, probably already in this century.
Soon (IMO) we’ll be facing challenges that we cannot even imagine now, but nonetheless we *are* prepared… because Mother Nature knows better! 🙂
BTW, the “ultra-rich … are well aware of the impending glaciation”, as revealed by the “global cooling” topic of the Bilderberg Meeting of 2010,
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100055500/global-cooling-and-the-new-world-order/
and
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/meeting_2010.html
I was thinking of those links when I made the comment.
I really hate WordPress limit of two links.
I have made posts with up to 4 links (possibly 5?) without problems, if there is a limit I don’t know which is.
Thanks for bringing depth to our discussions here Gail.
BTW, I believe your analysis of the glacial inception is correct, but what the paper of Tzedakis et.al. refers as “bipolar seesaw” (I think) are the Dansgaard/Oeschger events after the starting- and before the beginning- of the glacial periods (see Fig.2 of the paper, for example).
Your definition though agrees with the usual concept as we see in this paper of Svensmark,
The Antarctic climate anomaly and galactic cosmic rays
The Fig.1 of the paper suggests that the bipolar seesaw, that Svensmark calls “Antarctic anomaly”, has been “reactivated”, after the present interglacial maximum, some 4,000 years before present (BP).
January of last year Laden tried to do a number on WUWT. It is interesting reading.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/16/greg-laden-liar/
This site finds fault also:
http://phawrongula.wikia.com/wiki/Greg_Laden:_Man_of_Mystery
Likewise, Tallbloke:
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/12/16/greg-laden-libellous-article/
I don’t know who this person is or why anyone cares.
Unfortunately he is an Haaaavard Graduate who has a loud mouth and also teaches.
Labels cannot be more important than substance.
It’s up to *us* (humans, truth seekers … ) to change the values when they do not correspond to reality anymore.
Harvard and most of the Ivies are not what they were since lefty loons assumed control. Give me a solid engineering school like Georgia Tech instead if real science is required. Full disclosure – I graduated from an Ivy and my son graduated form Georgia Tech.
Dr Ehrlich, we meet again, I rather expected to find you behind all this.
I am actually sorry for Greg Laden and Grant Foster, who do seem to have some pretence at adhering to science (unlike John Cook).
They cannot see, for some reason, that the data shows that the climate is resilient and CO2 sensitivity is low – which simple logic and 4.456 My of Earthly paleodata shows must be the case.
Why do they hitch themselves to this errant hypothesis? It isn’t happening. And since ECS is pretty clearly below 1 C/doubling based on the available empirical data, it cannot happen. We cannot bun enough fossil fuels to raise global temperature more than 2 C!
What a waste of a life that they obsess with this crap.
What is really hysterical is this:
The 21 June solar insolation @ 65? N for several glacial inceptions:
Current values are insolation = 479 W m?2
MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m?2,
MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m?2,
MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m?2,
MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m?2,
MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m?2,
depth of the last ice age – 463 W m?2
Holocene peak – 527 W m-2
Now tell me again Al why I should worry about GoreBull Warming and agree to wipe out the technology that could see humans through a return to glacial state?
What is really hysterically funny about all the ‘Sky is falling’ screaming by academics is they are not smart enough to connect dots.
Cheap abundant energy (thanks coal) ====> the industrial revolution ===> increased in real wealth across all of society ====> 90% of farm families able to move to better paying city jobs as machinary takes over work done by hand ====> more tax revenue available ====> academic grants, salaries and pensions.
Greg Laden and his pals are busy trying to kill the geese that lay the tax dollars that pay their salaries and pensions.
To bad the idiots don’t have the brains to see that nor do they have the brains to see what happened to the intelligentsia in Russia after the ‘Revolution’ After all who wants proven traitors around challenging the new fragile government. Lenin certainly didn’t and neither did Pol Pot. – “Since he is of no use anymore, there is no gain if he lives and no loss if he dies.”
Greg just needs a cell, padded or otherwise.
Every idiot knows that humanity cannot adapt to a half degree a century worth of “climate change.” We are DOOMED!!!
Reblogged this on Climatism.
Forty five years later and absolutely nothing of Ehrlich’s doom-laden forecasts have come true. If anything, the opposite is true. People can see these past forecasts of alarm have all failed and yet they still listen to, broadcast and believe in the grandchildren’s generation of doom-sayers. Yes, theyactually believe in these new replicas. Have they no functioning memory? Life on Earth can adapt to almost any new condition.
Dmh says: @ March 18, 2014 at 5:20 am
…. but what the paper of Tzedakis et.al. refers as “bipolar seesaw”….
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I was using the definition from a peer-reviewed paper in Geophysical Research Letters so I think that is what Tzedakis et.al. was referring to and not D/O events (called Bond events within the Holocene.)
Twentieth century bipolar seesaw of the Arctic and Antarctic surface air temperatures APR 2010
Gail, this is my last comment on this.
As I said before, I agree with you that the probable time of glacial inception for the Holocene is either “around the corner“ or has already happened (due to the solar max of the XX century following the LIA, etc.), but here are the paragraphs where I believe Tzedakis et.al. define bipolar seesaw as a millenium-scale phenomenon, as opposed to smaller oscillations within interglacials,
… Thus, the fundamental concept underlying the terminology of an interglacial is that of the sea-level highstand, a measure of integrated global climate effects, which lead to the loss of continental ice. By extension, interglacial length is linked to the duration of the highstand, demarcated by deglaciation and glacial inception…
Whereas pinpointing the start and end of the highstand in convolved sea-level proxy records is not straightforward an indication of the presence of ice sheets can be provided by the occurrence of interhemispheric millennial-scale climate variability. This requires ice sheets large enough to extend to coastlines and produce iceberg discharges that disrupt the meridional overturning circulation (MOC), leading to rapid cooling of the North Atlantic and gradual warming of Antarctica.
This asynchronous phasing in temperatures can be explained by a bipolar-seesaw mechanism (Stocke and Johnsen, 2003), whereby changes in the strength of the MOC lead to changes in interhemispheric heat transport.
… Given that the response of the MOC and the strength of the bipolar seesaw may be modulated by different boundary conditions (e.g. Green et al., 2010;Margari et al., 2010), it is conceivable that … an active bipolar seesaw might not indicate glacial conditions (false-positive)… freshwater ?uxes can occur within an interglacial, but are unlikely to lead to a major disruption of the MOC when the system is in a “warm circulation mode” (Ganopolski and Rahmstorf, 2001); thus, the ?rst major reactivation of the bipolar seesaw would probably constitute an indication that the transition to a glacial state had already taken place…
… The onset of the current interglacial (Fig. 1) is placed at the end of the Younger Dryas stadial, representing an interruption of the deglaciation process, with glacial readvances in some regions and a reduction in the rate of sea-level rise (Bard et al., 2010). The Younger Dryas also represents the last signi?cant bipolar-seesaw oscillation, when temperatures rose in Antarctica, while the North Atlantic cooled…
and the following paper
(Thompson et.al. “Sea-level oscillations during the last interglacial highstand recorded by Bahamas corals” Nature,2011)
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v4/n10/full/ngeo1253.html
suggesting that the sea level conditions have remained relatively stable for many millennia, and therefore a major reactivation of the bipolar seesaw has not happened yet,
… The Bahamian geochronology and stratigraphy indicate four resolvable units, supporting the four oscillations in sea level recorded in Red Sea core KL11(ref. 9) …
Similar reef environments in the Bahamas are growing in approximately 3m of water, so this puts sea level at 4m at 123kyr, 6m at 119.2kyr and at 0m at some time in between. This yields a rate of 2.6m kyr?1 for Bahamas sea-level change … In any case, these rates of change persisted for at least 4,000 years in the midst of the LIG(last interglacial), resulting in metres of change and suggesting that LIG ice sheets were less stable than those in the Holocene, where eustatic sea level has remained relatively unchanged for most of the past 6,000 years[11].
They also said that the glacial inception occurs ~ 3 kyears before the reactivation of the “seesaw”. I’m very interested on this subject because I believe we are in a period of rapid climate change but in the exact opposite direction of what the warmists say.
I also am very interested in this subject so thank you for pointing out my error.
I found the Stocke and Johnsen paperA minimum thermodynamic model for the bipolar seesaw
and yes they are talking of the 24 so-called Dansgaard/Oeschger events found during the last ice age (Wisconsin).
I was under the impression that the more subdued ‘Bond events’ were the interstadial manifestation of the same phenomenon.
You’re welcome Gail, I’m always learning new things with your posts.
I also have the impression that the Bond cycles are a lesser manifestation of the D/O ones, probably due to less humidity and altered cloudiness during glacial periods in comparison with interglacials, enhancing the response of the climate system to solar forcing.
I guess this could be the only real aspect by which CO2 can actually influence the climate, i. e. by decreasing humidity and accelerating the glacial inception at the end of the interglacials, as suggested by the following research,
http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/03/peer-reviewed-study-finds-that-co2-induced-warming-causes-atmosphere-to-hold-less-water-vapor.html
“As carbon dioxide levels have risen during the last 150 years, the density of pores that allow plants to breathe has dwindled by 34 percent, restricting the amount of water vapor the plants release to the atmosphere, report scientists…..“The increase in carbon dioxide by about 100 parts per million has had a profound effect on the number of stomata and, to a lesser extent, the size of the stomata,” … “Our analysis … suggests that a doubling of today’s carbon dioxide levels — from 390 parts per million to 800 ppm — will halve the amount of water lost to the air, concluding in the second paper that “plant adaptation to rising CO2 is currently altering the hydrological cycle and climate…”
In this case CO2 would act as a coolant of the climate and a trigger of glacial periods! 🙂