Lake Ontario is the only major holdout, and the forecast there is for extreme cold during the next two weeks.
coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/webdata/cwops/webdata/statistic/dat/g2013_2014_ice.dat
Lake Ontario is freezing over very rapidly.
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I wouldn’t count on Lake Ontario freezing. But there is a first time for everything…
Surface to volume makes it unlikely. And freeze over depends on wind direction. My reporting stations in KZ and E. Lansing have said that they are certainly having winter lately.
-18C average temperatures will freeze any body of water pretty quickly
Ontario freezing over is very rare. We’ll see.
Great Lakes are farther south. Map shows around -8 Canadian. The beaches will be nice next summer. But, be sure to bring a shirty wetsuit.
I agree it depends on the wind. Strong wind will open up the ice. However, the volume argument doesn’t hold water. I’m pretty sure Lake Superior has more water than the others combined.
Surface to volume ratio. Shallower lakes freeze easier than deeper lakes with less surface area. Also note that reports are that Lake Michigan de-iced a bit during the recent warmer weather and went down to 50% cover. It is now back up to 90% ice cover.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/03/03/lake-michigan-90-percent-covered-in-ice-equals-highest-level-ever/
My monitoring station who patrols the lakeshore and lives 40 miles east of Lake Michigan would say “what thaw?” He is complaining about snow piles 8+ feet high along the driveway.
Lake Ontario will NEVER freeze
Al Gore declared he wanted to walk upon its waters
After Obama parts it…
Bob, No you won’t. Ontario will not freeze for the next 100,000 years
I seem to remember the news story of someone who drove from Rochester to Toronto across the lake, would have been about 1975….
That is not the view of Rob Ford
When Lake Ontario freezes over, then AlGore and obozo can walk on water. News frenzy from the lamestream media at 11.
LOL
Well, with all this “Global Warming,” I wouldn’t doubt that ALL of North American freezes over. It’s so hot, it’s freezing us to death.
According to Al Gore, that’s a terrible true, it can not be or the people will laugh, even more, at me. Beside, it is my fault…..I invented the Internet and now it is against me with kind of news and reports that people can see at the second they are published. What a bad idea was from my side, who knew.
Sweetheart, why bring Al Gore into the debate. All we need is data. And the data is conclusive. AGW is a bigger threat then terrorism. Any questions???
I hope you’re being sarcastic. 17 yrs w/o.
Suck on!
Yeah, just like in the 70’s …we were all going to freeze to death from a new ice age! Qiut listening to politicians when it comes to real science and history. Oh, and you can include those junk scientists that you all keep talking about….with their fuzzy facts!
Ah, the lying “sweetheart” troll is back. We’re not you’re “sweetheart”, kweer, and we don’t believe your line of bull$hit.
https://twitter.com/pw_rst/e/1514973409/EEusea4L7h5Kdbkkv5H4!asP09E=-1393608183-user/1/2?refsrc=pwreset-ios Must Read
Questions? Yeah.
If you were Emperor of the World, and able to issue (and enforce) any edict to end “AGW”, what would you look for as evidence that your rules were working?
Screwball, try dealing in reality, your radical progressive bosses hate reality, but hell, think fr yourself for once !
Well, we don’t know where terror will strike. And we sure as shit know that the low lying areas near water would flood IF the seas rise. So, I’m pretty sure we could adapt if it is real. We can NOT stop humanity from living surviving so stop keeping yourself awake worrying about it. Don’t buy a home in the Glades and you will be ok.
So sad that people have been brainwashed with this crap! Read your Bible the only global warming will come when the earth is judged! Than there Will be a lake of Fire until than we CANNOT destroy what we haven’t created it is a money scream and you tree huggers bought into it hook line and sinker!!
I have a question. Why do all liberal commenters not know the difference between the words “than” and “then.” They sound different, are spelled different, and have different meanings, so this one really has me puzzled. I recognize we all make spelling and grammar mistakes from time to time–but this one happens far to consistently to be a mistake or being too lazy to proof your comment.
Hasn’t gore said the tops of the lake’s are freezing because the bottom of the lake’s are boiling? That’s global warming
Maybe the “first time” in your life time but so what. Polar bears were put on the endangered species list because of some environmental wackos claim that the north pole is melting. If this keeps up, we may see polar bears as far south as Washington.
Just in case facts matter to you at all while you contemplate taking a position on an issue, the arctic sea ice is essentially at historic lows right now for this time of year. Check out nsidc dot org for the data.
not for our south pole, its growing exponentially
Sorry Homer, this is a bullshit free zone.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2014/02/thicker-on-top-higher-down-under/
Were you born this stupid or have you spent your life working to attain this level? Why not use the New York Times as your source, or better yet how about East Anglia University>
The “fact” is that “climate change” has been changing for millions of years long before the new green religion of global cooling in the 70’s to global warming rebranded to climate change in the 80’s and 90’s, The logic of all this is the mind numbingly stupidty in believing you can take 5 frames from a 4 hour movie you’ve see 1/4 of the way thru and predicting the ending. Think long term. Go to the library and try to do some extensive reading of the history of “climate change” before spouting more crap from the money machine called “climate change” sources. You sound like another low information lemming”.
Well, you are just wrong! http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/icecover_current_new.png
hmmm, and antarctic ice is at extreme highs right now. I WONDER….wonder if this is something that happens …..n a t u r a l l y ….kinda a yin and yang thing. Like Ca. drought and freezing ass cold at the same time in the USA. it is called CLIMATE.
just checked: Arctic ice increased 50% in volume in last year. Global warming, NOT.
LOL…by all accounts, polar bear numbers have been increasing even before this winter.
And they’ll eat any animal, including our own species.
I wonder who would win in a cage fight between a Polar Bear and Bigfoot? Let’s throw the Goracle in the cage too just for amusement.
Lake Superior is an ice -cube… and my avatar is a Polar bear..
It frose across at the head of the lakes twenty years ago,,,,but not even close
to current cover (or thickness)…or since I began observations in 1975.
Note: be sure to cook your polar bear meat very well after harvesting it from the northeastern USA (polar bears are full of trichinosis parasites). However, there should be plenty of polar bear supply in the U.S. as this species expands its habitat as the full brunt of global warming kicks in.
Does anyone know if Polar Bears eat liberals? I had heard they did, but them someone told me they stopped, because it was making their polar bear cubs stupid.
I got to thinking that the way liberals are hardwired, the very act of breathing might be inversely
proportionate to objective thought.
Oh we can hope.
Them making down to D.C. might even be a blessing if they were to quickly acquire a taste for politicians. It would pay to keep them around then.
Polar bears as far South as Washington? It would be easier to vote for one of them than
the gaggle of goofs now running the place.
But the north pole is melting. Check out the weather in Norway.
http://www.wunderground.com/global/NO.html
Lake Ontario has frozen over 5 times in recorded history. It’s over 800 feet deep so it takes a lot of long cold periods to get it frozen over. Looks like this is it!
I’d ove to drag al gore around the perimeters on his deranged face !
It’s man made global warming damxit!
I’m with you, Morgan. Despite the fact that Global Warming is a hoax, a gigantic money laundering share the wealth ponzi scheme, there is no way that Lake Ontario is going to freeze over. I back onto Lake Ontario in Bowmanville opposite Wilson, New York, and while we do get build ups of pack ice on shore, a freeze over just ain’t gonna happen. All of the other lakes dump into Lake Ontario, so you can just imagine how many chemicals are in the soup when they arrive here, helping to prevent a total freeze. I’d love to be able to walk the 32 miles to the states, but I’m not holding my breath.
Another prophet
Another Liberal Arts major.
I live in Niagara County about 2 miles from Ontario. 62 years and I have never seen her freeze. Don’t believe it will happen this year either. I am expecting a pretty lousy spring. How much will the lakes warm when they start? Could be a lousy summer also. We will see.
This global warming is just getting out of hand.
I was just thinking that. I need a global hot cup of java and a log on the fire.
Does global hot have ice cubes in it?
No, but it has some “logs” in it.
Don’t feel bad I am out here in the desert and it is not that warm at all must be all that global warming that I have been hearing so much about.
We need to put a stop to all this warming before we all freeze to death.
Hey wait a minute, didn’t you hear what AlGore said? He said we’re freezing because we’re warming! Whatever that mean…..but it must be true if AlGore said it. 😉
global warming/ice age…….it’s all a direct climate change….might be an ice age…any less destructive to ……way of life/employment/economy….I think not……
Taxes will solve everything. ask Obama or any Democrat.
Exactly. Think about how global warming is causing the arctic to warm up. It weakens the gradient that keeps the polar air mass more concentrated at the northern latitudes. Thus, the cold air escapes down south more. So from your perception this apparently disproves global warming because the midwest and east have been cold this winter. While, from a global perspective, it is entirely consistent. Massive floods in the UK, record warmth in Alaska and Russia. Record drought in the southwest.
So for those that view climate change through a political lens, you get shallow, snarky responses to this news. For those that view it through a scientific lens and understand what the predictions were and how this all fits together, then we have a much more reasoned and rational response.
As a “conservative” I appreciate and understand the science but I disagree with the liberals that say that we must therefore grow the size of the government due to climate change. But all too many of my conservative brethren merely dismiss the science because of their political bias and this will end up hurting conservatism greatly in the long run.
Umm… no. Antarctic ice has been increasing and there is no warming of the arctic. Sure, you build a valid argument, but if the premises upon which that argument are built are false, we can not assume your conclusion to be true.
Yes, it sounds semi-logical to say that the freezing temperatures are caused by arctic cold being displaced as it becomes warmer, but firstly it is not true and secondly warming arctic temperatures would not actually make colder temperatures further from the arctic. You have bought into all the smoke and mirrors to hide the decline. I can make an intelligent-sounding and valid argument that proves anything if I make up data out of whole cloth for the underlying premises–and that is precisely what this man-made global warming junk is.
No LEGITIMATE conservative imagines we “dismisses the science” because of political bias. We dismiss it because it is bullshit. 2013 was a year of increasing ice extent in the Arctic. The relative winter extent we see today has occurred countless times without the dreaded invasion of the “Polar Vortex”. FAIL. This pattern also occurred in the 70’s. FAIL. The “Globe” hasn’t warmed in 17 years. FAIL. Is this an effect from 1998? FAIL.
DISPARITY in pressure is what moves cold/warm boundaries.
“Scientific”, “reasoned”, “rational” … The words that are the exact opposite of the climate change wackos. You might want to read up on what Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore said about “global warming”. You all are in a cult.
Perhaps you can provide evidence that there were fewer massive floods in the UK in the past, that a warming Alaska and Russia (for a very short time) and that “record” drought that is not a record except for the news media. California has had 100 year droughts in the past. The fact that people think they can engineer a desert into farmland is not proof of global warming, just stupid people. Many have viewed this through a scientific lens and found there’s no science supporting the predictions. The “extreme weather” is well within historic ranges. Politics has nothing to do with the conclusions.
..it’s entirely normal for moist warm pacific air to flow up over Alaska, that is in fact what makes the State viable. Nothing unusual at all except that now the Warminst are clutching at any straw, be more discerning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mjo_north_america_rain.png
I dismiss the “science” you mention because there never has been actual scientific facts proving beyond any degree of doubt that “global warming” has actually happened. When known scientists have had open debates with only neutral news available to publish the data, then and only then will I make a judgement whether to run for the hills or just go buy an extra air conditioner. Once someone yells “fire” and it proves to be a false alarm the words “climate change” smells the same.
And the escaping polar air in 1977, 78, 79 was caused by what?
reduced Polly Bear populations that could not contain the cold for their own use.
The science and data has been faked, the books have been cooked and the NOAA personnel were instructed to falsify temperature readings at various weather stations. Still they want us to accept their data and their conclusions.
Lake Ontario has a lower elevation. The other 4 lakes are a whole Niagara Falls higher.
Difference in temperature between the top and bottom of Niagara Falls is maybe 1F. Forecast is 20-40 degrees below freezing, for a period of weeks.
Suppose to be near 40 F southeast Michigan on 03/07
There are pictures of the Niagara Falls frozen over. It happened near the turn of the twentieth contrary.
1936
It has nothing to do with Niagara Falls. I am saying that the surface of lake ontario is 400 feet lower than the surface of the other lakes, so the whole thing sits deeper into Earth’s crust and therefore gets more geothermal heat. Yeah, Lake Superior goes even deeper in one small section of the lake, but the surface is higher therefore colder, not even accounting for the fact that it’s much farther north and more central in the continent so it never gets any of the east coast weather moderation (warming that comes up the coast). Only lakes erie and ontario get east coast moderation, but forget lake erie, it’s only 2 inches deep and 400 feet higher. The bottom of Lake Ontario is something like 600 feet below sea level. It’s below the fault line that runs through Niagara Falls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Great_Lakes.svg
that image explains it all
Perpetual load, no image.
Cold Air Sinks, warm air rises. Lower surface means colder. Closer to the center of the earth by measly 600 ft. is B.S.!
Get a Mac. No problem here.
And to think they can sail all those boats in a mere 2″ of water!
I know for a fact that Lake Erie is a little deeper than 2 inches. If you are wrong about this, what about the rest of what you said.
“Joe says:
March 2, 2014 at 5:36 am
Cold Air Sinks, warm air rises. Lower surface means colder. Closer to the center of the earth by measly 600 ft. is B.S.!”
That’s why mountains are so much warmer and death valley is so much cooler. And why coal workers 600 feet deep wear winter coats
Did those SUV’s cause it?
American side of the Falls, Niagara Falls has never and will never freeze over. On Lake Ontario, when I was a kid, we used to go way out there on the ice hills that used to form every year near Port Dalhousie but the Lake will not freeze over solid.
According to JKuper’s logic, there had to have been global warming as far back as 1934. Those 1934 Series 40 Buicks were responsible.
🙂
Wiki says “Lake Ontario has completely frozen over on five recorded occasions: from about January 20 to about March 20, 1830;[26] in 1874;[27] in 1893;[27] in 1912;[27] and in February 1934.[27]”
Real reason Ontario is difficult to freeze is because it a very deep lake… and also a warmer location.
Ontario is very deep compared to Erie
Of course!!…..It’s closer to the center of the Earth, and everybody knows it’s warm there!
Millions of degrees!
So said Al Gore: “Earth’s Interior ‘Extremely Hot, Several Million Degrees'”
Then again if it was true the Earth would be a ……………………. Star!
No, I live on the shores of Lake Ontario. All the hot air coming from Albany keeps it from freezing.
I think the record we need to beat is 94% or so…. can’t remember where I read it…
Just looked out my front window (100 feet from the south shore of Lake Ontario). 75 feet of ice against the shore, then clear water as far as I can see (about 15-20 miles). Not even any slush on the surface.
100% possible, but unlikely, IMHO.
Cheers,Kevin
Temperatures are going to plummet there in three days, and stay cold for a long time.
Agreed, but there is usually significant wind associated with cold like that around here. So as soon as some slush starts forming on the surface the wind mixes it up with the warmer water and it does not have a chance to turn into real ice.
But either way will be interesting to watch. I just hope Al Bore doesn’t give a speech in Rochester or it will freeze and never melt again,OH NOES…..
Well, if Al E-Gore even opens his mouth all that hot air will melt all the snow and ice in N. America and then some!
you guys should thanks Al, why? Easy, thanks to him you can use the internet reported comments. Don’t you know he invented intrnet?
-22F this AM on the South Shore of Gitche-Gumi….no wind and sunny
vis 10 ice 100
Kevin,
Please keep us posted.
Dave
I got $5 on Lake Ontario holding out, it’s still 38 degrees across 60% of the lake, at least it’s below 40 now.
http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/glcfs.php?lake=o&ext=swt&type=N&hr=00
But if it freezes over 100% I’m going to write a letter to Al Gore, John Kerry and Obama asking for a scientific explanation.
Scientific explanation? Good luck with that. You’d have better luck writing to Lady Gaga and asking for an explanation of the theory of relativity.
🙂
LOL!
If you spoke to Al Gore about the Theory of Relativity he would likely think you were talking about a family reunion.
CO2 freezes water at lower latitudes and melts it at higher latitudes.
This is basic settled science after all.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Awesome, nice twist there. I thought it was because Algore stuck his head out of his burrow and claimed there would be 6 more weeks of climate change.
….and you really think algwhore lives in a burrow after fleecing the whole world with this bullsh=t ???
No, that was President Obama on Presidents’ day, and its 3 more years of a crappy economy if he spies his shadow in the White House Rose Garden.
i hear Al has a few rather nice burrows…party at Al’s place until it wrms up !
(i can imagine a prodgious shadow from Al but not enough for Zeroe to be frightened of…although the bitter half’s shadow has been knownto send himscampering for the protectionof the Marines)
Kyle, would you please point to the settled science study, something is not right with your logic.
Man makes up 3 tenths of 1 percent of all the CO2 emissions on the planet. What we do has no effect , at all.
CO2 isn’t even one of the worst greenhouse gases.
No, but CO2 is the most profitable.
CO2 is associated with coal, hence it is bad.
True, that would be water vapor, something that can neither be controlled or taxed, therefore useless to those wanting control over our lives.
All I ask is for global warming cult is to stop exhaling for just one hour. Do it for the children. Save the planet
I think you meant altitudes
No, he meant what he said. It was a joke.
The scientific explanation is called global warming. The excessive warmth globally, causes a massive polar vortex to move above the Great Lakes, thus freezing’em over.
This bogus explanation was created in a hurry by UN IPCC, AlGore, Prince Charles et al. Everybody had forgotten the last time Polar Vortex visited NYC in 1974. Then, unlike now the explanation was Global Cooling.
I’m not sure if you are simply uninformed or are lying. So I’ll assume that you are uninformed. During the 1970’s the scientific community indeed was trying to grapple with whether the earth was going to be cooling or warming. The vast majority of scientific papers supported the warming position while a few supported the cooling position. In the subsequent decades, the evidence was pretty clear that we were headed into a warming phase and it was likely due to massive dumping of carbon into the atmosphere. Thus, today, there is virtually no scientific talk of global cooling.
So, do you care to revise your statement due to being informed, however briefly, of the real history of global cooling claims in the 1970’s when scientific inquiry regarding the topic was in it’s infancy?
Your aggressive tone is both ugly and misinformed. You have no idea what you are talking about.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/1970s-ice-age-scare/
JKuper says:
March 2, 2014 at 2:27 pm
The vast majority of scientific papers supported the warming position
======
nope, it was closer to 50/50…..there’s been a lot of posts about it over the years
Actually, according to the discredited Cook analysis, the vast majority (98%+) of the papers take NO position. Which is as they should.
Meao and all the others commenting here have very short memories. Polar Vortex is what Monica Lewinsky did to Bill Clinton on her knees in the Oval Office. Al Gore, then our VP, found out about it and developed his theory of Global Warming. He then invented the Internet so he could spread the word around the world. For his valuable contribution to civilization, he is rich beyond his wildest dreams, lives in a huge CO2 spouting home, flies around in a huge CO2 spouting jet, and will live happily ever after.
Kuper: It could be argues that American scientists and maybe European ones proclaim warming, but the Russians appear to be on the side of cooling. Not sure what side they were on in the 1970s.
@JKuper garbage pure and simple, it was Global cooling.
Kuper, read Mr. Goddard’s link. Even now, excluding all the hundreds of what if papers dealing with attrition but not cause, there are about as many papers skeptical of CO2 causing a disastrous warming. However the vast majority of the LSM all go with the non supported by observations drama of CAGW. Well in the 70s they did the same thing, only it was on cooling which had been ongoing for. abut thirty years. You are a victim of propaganda.
my theory is that high pressure cells (Polar Vortex/Winter Swirlley Thing)
regulary deprives Minnesotans of atmospheric oxegen….
…thus explaining there undieing support for liberalism
Sounds about right. Hmmm, doesn’t explain Kalifornia though.
I’ll see your five and raise you one Blimp with the face of Al Gore painted on it while Gore is being leisurely consumed by a polar bear.
“I’ll see your five and raise you one Blimp with the face of Al Gore painted on it while Gore is being leisurely consumed by a polar bear.” — Ed Morgan
Your picturesque gamble confuses global warming with heart warming.
GLOBAL WARMING
There are two irrefutable facts to consider in all this friendly, climate banter.
1. If Lake Ontario freezes over, however unlikely, it is entirely due to anthropogenic global warming.
2. If Lake Ontario doesn’t freeze over, the sole cause is anthropogenic global warming.
Tipper was right…life IS too short
Their response: The science is settled! Shut up and pay your carbon tax!
Water reaches its maximum density at 39 degrees fahrenheit. At that point convection stops and the surface quickly freezes to form ice that insulates bodies of water. That is why lakes do not freeze solid and kill all the fish. If Ontario is at 38 degrees, it is on the verge of freezing. The deeper water of Ontario and the very high latent heat of fusion of water (144 BTUs/pound/80 calories/gram) are why it takes so long to freeze.
I grew up in Webster, NY. It was said that a resident of Webster drove a sleigh over the ice to Canada at some point in history. I don’t remember his name.
No way. A horse and buggy sleigh?
Also, if water reaches its maximum density and sinks so the lake turns over, it has 800 feet of water of water to turn over, which can take weeks, and the temperature at the bottom of Lake Erie right now is 40 degrees. By the time that 40 degree water gets to the surface to cool, it will be spring.
http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/glcfs.php?lake=o&ext=swt&type=N&hr=00
I stay my $5 and raise it to $10
Hum, I have heard rumors of the oceans freezing.
@Faergus Was it Sinter Klaas?
Just more evidence that global warming is a reality
Where is “Global Warming” now, Al Gore? The place of my birth is having the most epic cold ever witnessed.
The “cooling” You are experiencing is called “weather’.
Warming is “climate change”
Why not the other way around? The cooling is climate change and warming was weather…. Patrick Moore the co-founder of Greenpeace resigned because of the “bogus science” of Man Made GW. There is no such thing.
Finally a sensible person. You’re 100% right
well in any case let’s definitely give more money to the government because they are our only hope.
you dumass this is a part of global warming .with the\ pole shift beginning in 2014 weather patterns are changing some places will get cold and others warm,explain the nonstop melt of the polar caps.
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Global sea ice area has been above normal for most of the last year, you moron.
The sea ice has never been thicker in recent history. A study was done back in JAN and they found that the ice was in the range of yards thick, Then again just look at that research ship that is stuck in the ice down in Antarctica, and has been there for how long and during the summer yet. The earths temps are as much as 10 degrees cooler now than they were say 800 years ago. They have been trying to say that the sea level is rising but if you look along the coast over in England there are castles that were once close to the water that are now miles from.
@Paul Shhh! You’ll ruin their chances at selling ocean-front property in Arizona!
Some places colder and some places warmer is called WEATHER. And it happens every year. We get hot, we get cold.
Are you sure you have any clue what you are talking about?
As for the sea ice melting, I suggest you check the DATA – http://suyts.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/global-sea-ice-melt-down-demonstrated-since-the-turn-of-the-century/
I would explain the melting of polar ice caps, IF they were melting.. But no. They are growinf instead
the ice pack just grew 29% summer 2013 in the arctic. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html
you troll you
The same scientists that say there’s global warming and it’s bad also state that millions of years ago our earth was tropical and it was when dinosaurs existed. So why does anyone care if the earth is trying to go back to its normal climate? Let it happen I say.
Didn’t you hear? When it’s hot, it’s Global Warming. When it’s cold, it’s just weather.
I’ll give you a big hint. The United States is not the same as global.
I’ll give you a big hint, winter snow extent has been near record highs across the northern Hemisphere in recent years. You might want to actually learn something rather than repeating propaganda.
Sorry I am American and I may need a bigger hint than that to get your point!
It is when it’s convenient for Global Warming theory. Note all the references to the California droughts as evidence of warming. It’s a drought in a specific location but is used to prove global warming effects. See, when it’s convenient. Either is applicable or it isn’t. You can’t just pick and choose.
It will be warmer, unless there is cooling, and drought, or maybe flood, or not. Boiling hot Arctic snow will bury the country in drought. In Gaia we pray, Obama Akbar!
Many are COLD but few are FROZEN
omg! or ROFLMAO to be exact about it.
That’s funny stuff right there!
UHhhhh! This is NOT the first time, I was taught in grade school that at one time the northern polar ice cap extended as far south as present day Kentucky…..that would surely have covered the GLs….
Actually, the Great Lakes were FORMED by moving glaciers.
actualy, i think that is how the great lakes were formed. as the ice retreated the gouged out areas filled with ice melt
Read:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/11-01-2009/106922-earth_ice_age-0/
It’s returning as we speak!
Yeah, good thing those Neanderthals invented SUV’s to get us out of that frozen mess. (sarc)
Actually the wooly mammoths were burping and doing other antisocial acts through their behinds
Does this data support the chem trail conspiracy? One could say Kudos to the USA for the outstanding job they did spraying aluminum chloride (and whatever else they have added to the jet fuel) to reflect the sun’s rays and cool the surface. Better living through chemistry. The future of Aluminum Chloride shares looks bright.
You’re close. It’s Aluminum Oxide and Self-levitating Aerosols.
– Solar Radiation Management –
The amount of ice up at the Arctic Ocean is increasing at an alarming rate.
Well done!
It looks like we know what we are doing.
Hard to tell if this is snark or not but the amount of ice in the arctic is essentially at record lows. And the reason is pretty clear to those in the scientific world.
You might want to skip climate church, and check the charts.
http://suyts.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/global-sea-ice-melt-down-demonstrated-since-the-turn-of-the-century/
Soooooo… at 2:33 above you say “I’ll give you a big hint. The United States( 3.79 million square miles) is not the same as global.” http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/03/01/great-lakes-approaching-100-ice-cover-for-the-first-time-on-record/#comment-322103 and now at 2:59 you write “the amount of ice in the arctic (5,427,000 sq mi) is essentially at record lows.” implying that the Arctic IS global?
Hypocrisy much? Or simply math of convenience.
Kuper Troll, sorry, but dozens of peer reviewed article detail numerous reasons for the artic ice decline, with those showing CO2 being a less and less likely factor, now winning the debate the old fashioned way, through observations, as the patterns are again changing.
One pattern of trolling is not changing however, and you are aptly demonstrating the pattern of ignoring the real evidenced presented against your bogus claims, and simply changing the subject to a new line of propaganda.
please study Emersn, “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.”
Record lows? Since when? Yes it is obvious the real scientific community – insufficient data!
It must hurt to be you.
Winter is coming
~Ned Stark
My 4th grader told me the Scientific Method involves creating a theory, making a prediction based on the theory and then seeing if the facts in the future meet your prediction. If so, your theory is more likely to be correct. Has anyone seen any peer-reviewed global warming papers that predicted the Great Lakes freezing over? No? That’s because they have a dismal record of predicting anything. More often they wait until something happens and then explain why global warming caused it. My 4th grader says they would get an F in her science class by completely ignoring the scientific method. She says they are full of hot air.
Hypothesis.
Please bring back global cooling. I’m freezing to death.
Tourists be sure to bring your shorty wetsuit next summer! Cold water and hot air make for bad windsurfing. Time to learn to kite board. The ice will keep the alligators and piranhas down South! Good to know when you’re dangling your toesies in the water.
Gore’s private jet has been flying low patterns over Lake Ontario all week. No way he’ll late it freeze on his watch…..might hurt his speaking fees
I read a Readers Digest story once of Lake Ontario freezing over. Sometime in the late 1800’s. But the Lake is so geographically close to being a river, it is exteremely unlikely
Lake Ontario is “geographically close to being a river”??? WTF are you talking about?
Every river and stream from all of Michigan, parts of Canada, parts of Wisconsin, parts of Indiana, parts of Illinois, parts of Ohio. New York flow right thru narrow lake Ontario. Thus the lake has current. All of Niagara falls flow thru the lake and out the other side. Moving water freezes at a slower rate. That’s why we here in Michigan leave our faucets trickle during cold times to keep pipes from freezing and likely bursting
Lake Ontario is about as wide as Lake Erie
For the winter of 2013/14, NOAA’s Great
Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory
projects maximum ice coverage of the Great
Lakes to be 57% to 62% by February, which
is a little above the long-term average max
ice cover of 55%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBlhrTpi69E
I suggest all of you do some serious DD regarding REAL climate change, not the garbage the commies/progressives/liberals/socialists (aka: “democrats) sling. The following article is based on REAL scientific study (unlike the nonsense that Gore and his enviro-whack jobs spew forth) and was published in, of all places, Pravda, the former Soviet Union propaganda publication…isn’t THAT ironic?
Anyway, here’s the link and I suggest anyone living north of Virginia, heed some of what it says because you may not even be able to LIVE where you are if it comes to fruition: http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/11-01-2009/106922-earth_ice_age-0/
Excellent article.
Just so you know percentage of ice coverage on the Great Lakes has only been tracked since the early 70s when satellites for doing this first became available. So when they talk about a ‘record’ they are talking about over this 40 year period. 1977, 1978 and 1994 had similarly large ice coverage.
Same goes for the Arctic ice.
Global Schwarming…
What happened to GW?
All that global warming at the North Pole is causing all the cold down here. The science is settled, the debate is over, pay your carbon tax and worship Al Gore as a living God.
“Winter cold causes global warming.” Signed, Man-Bear-Pig…
I live off of Lake St. Clair (the “little” lake between Huron and Erie) and I saw acres of water become ice in a day from the road. I was amazed at the speed ice freezes when it’s at the verge.
And also I’m glad evaporation will be hampered so we can catch up on the water levels this spring. It’s looking up!
Those dad gum Cavemen with all those campfires started all this CO2 mess and caused the polar Ice cap to reach all the way down to Kentucky what 3000 years ago …
This just in from the Obvious Institute, frigid,cold air will cause bodies of water to freeze.
By the way, can you get back to me on that “Warm weather melts ice” theory. Thanks.
Unbelievable! And this happens during the third hottest year on record!
Asian countries for Asians.
Black countries for Blacks.
but White countries for everybody?
That’s genocide.
Anti-racist is a codeword for Anti-White
You got that right.
Owl Gore said he’d stop global warming for a price.
Google “Al Gore adductors release second chakra”
What if I use Bing instead?
The water coming into lake Ontario is likely colder this year due to the deep freeze from the other great lake regions. Even 1° makes a huge difference on water temp. It could happen. Once it gets a thin crust of ice it will be on. The wind and waves can’t affect it then.
You’re good to go.
Then you’d join the four other people doing the same.
5 – me. 😉
I’ve only ever seen Lake Ontario freeze a mile out once and doubt I’ll ever see it freeze over in my lifetime or the next. It’s normal for the east end of the lake to freeze because of the Bay of Quinte, but saying the whole lake will freeze over is a huge stretch of imagination and truth. It’s been a cold winter, but this headline is a bit too sensational, so at best you could put the figure at 80% not 100% of the great lakes.
You can see the future. Amazing.
Well, I’ve seen the past, the lake never froze in the 60’s which were cooler than now. If it didn’t freeze back then, then it’s doubtful it will this winter. I’m assuming you don’t live near lake Ontario from your reply. I’ve lived next to it since the 50’s. It only froze a mile out near Toronto in 93/94 and that was a very cold winter. I’m not saying it can’t happen but it will take very extreme conditions to make that happen.
Your assumption that the 1960’s was colder than this winter is incorrect.
Er, Toronto is not on Lake Ontario …
Yes it is.
93/94 was the most ridiculously cold winter around here (Saratoga, NY). We got -27 at nights for 2 weeks, then it came back in Feb -27 again. A lot of places set their ALL TIME record cold in Jan of ’94. Glens Falls was -35 one night. That record still stands.
Did Lake Ontario freeze that year? Hell no.
We – that is I and my parents who are here with me and are in their 80s with wonderful memory capacity – remember it freezing in the 70s. Back then in the papers and on television, they talked about the last time it froze being the winter of 1933-34. Indeed I’ve just pulled up some newspaper articles that confirm that people did believe it froze that winter, to the best of their knowledge at the time.
Cold is not the only thing that effects freezing over – Wind and currents also determine if a lake will freeze over, along with their proximity to the ocean which helps regulate their temps.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/03/02/february-1934-lake-ontario-froze-over/
Just a kind of unrelated aside: I was watching a documentary the other day that said “According to local lore, two people died in a fire here in 1976.” I almost choked laughing! Apparently we didn’t keep records back then. /sarc
I remember as a little girl, during the mid 1970’s it was very cold, and snow I’ve never seen since. I lived in New Brunswick then. My mother would not let me out to play because she would have not found me in the deep snow! This was not a snow drift. The drifts were much higher. When I was older, while visiting my aunt and uncle, I saw my uncle’s pictures of snow, packed at least 10-12 feet, solid, with trees in between, like sticks in playdo. The picture was taken in or near Limestone, Maine, during the mid 1970’s. I was wondering if such winters as those would happen again in my lifetime. I don’t think the winters were like that in the 1960’s, at least not according to the older generation in my family.
Ah cool! YOU have records! An actual newspaper report!
Yes, an actual newspaper report from the past when there was no alternative motive for hiding the decline. Or more instructively referred to as NOAA, NSIDC and NASA’s Incovenient truth….
Here, do yourself a favor, and learn something – http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/the-very-high-price-of-noaanasa-data-tampering/
In the book, 1984, George Orwell discusses the three paradoxes of the socialist dictatorship. War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength, Freedom is Slavery. The Global Warming Grape Kool Aid-flavored Popsicle lickers have added another. “Cold is Warm.”
True that.
If we do move into a clear long-term cooling trend they will probably say- “See? We told you so!”
They will also be abandoning their Prius’ because they offer little protection from polar bears.
Global warming (aka climate change) is the religion of the stupid.
http://www.zazzle.com/FirstPrinciples?rf=238518351914519699
Nice!!! Thanks!
The global cooling deniers aren’t going to be happy with this.
Read about the year without summer – 1816 – the farmers Almanac predicted snow in July, so the publisher tried to buy all the copies because he knew it was wrong. Caused by a volcanic eruptions and was at the end of the Little Ice Age.
Actually it was June when it snowed but July wasn’t much better-anyway there was no talk of global warming or climate change – they blamed it on sinners and Ben Franklin’s lightning rods…….
Chemtrails are the real issue, a danger to everyone . Rosalind Peterson Presents Chemtrails at UN Session on Global Warming http://vimeo.com/87564470 This is what it is all about , a cover for chemtrails , these chemicals are extremely dangerous , barium , aluminum oxide , etc , the white paper is called owning the weather by 2025 . USA congress .
Please tell us that your post was done with tongue in cheek.
Huh?
The dude’s calling you crazy. I know what you wrote is true, at least the spraying, not sure about the reason for it. There was some seriously heavy chem trailing, non-stop rows and rows, criss-crossing the sky, in the days leading up to the flood in southern Alberta this past summer. The trails we witnessed over the two and a bit years, since we first noticed them, happened nearly every day, and the money put into it must have been incredible, because the planes sprayed in front of the sun, following it across the sky, for kilometres. But those days before the flood, that was just wild. A person would have had to been blind or in denial not to have noticed them. We moved out of the area just says before the diluge. It was chilling, being told what was unfolding after we left the area. Are the two related, who knows. But the spraying for sure IS happening.
These 60 degee days in Blacksonville FL are killing ski boat sales right now
Anthropogenic global warming is a hoax – plain and simple. If we enter into even a mini ice age as things now appear these global warming idiots will be begging for warmer temps.
I can explain it all in 5 words. “It’s cold because it’s hot”.
The funny thing is that “we” conservatives appear to be so stupid as to not to understand that an abnormally cold winter in the US doesn’t disprove AGW. The abnormally warm winter in Russia and Alaska or record floods in the UK don’t prove AGW either but they are consistent with the theory.
BTW, some scientists did predict that as the arctic warmed (due to AGW) that cold air masses would come down more often to the US. Of course, the confused conservatives will dismiss it with mindless blabber about “It’s cold because it’s hot.”
You have no idea what you are talking about
Tropical climate in the Antarctic: Palm trees thrived on today’s icy coasts 52 million years ago. http://phys.org/news/2012-08-tropical-climate-antarctic-palm-trees.html.
And your a conservative? Bhwahahaha, ya right.
JKuper says:
March 2, 2014 at 3:11 pm
BTW, some scientists did predict that as the arctic warmed (due to AGW) that cold air masses would come down more often to the US. Of course, the confused conservatives will dismiss it with mindless blabber about “It’s cold because it’s hot.”
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and some scientists predicted the opposite…..
..and of course the confused trolls will dismiss it with mindless blabber about picking which prediction they want to believe
….there’s been predictions about every possible scenario
March, 2000: According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, WITHIN A FEW YEARS winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”. (Emphasis mine.)
If the poles are warming, there is no “cold air” to push south.
And since these polar vortexes have been documented since the 50s, they do not appear to be more frequent or caused by CO2. Indeed, you might want to look to the sun for the explanation.
I love all the comments here. All I know is with all the Nitrogen trapped under the snow the plants will be very happy this year.
Yeah, because nitrogen never touches the ground unless it’s trapped under snow.
I’ve had it with you lying LIB b@stards! You promised an end to winters by now if we only kept polluting “Mother Earth”! Well, I’ve driven nothing but pickup trucks and SUV’s for the last 20 years! I spray aerosol cans into the atmosphere every day! I light tire fires, and refused to car pool for decades! All in an attempt to eradicate winter! And yet winters are getting worse, summers are still hot, and spring and fall are only still beautiful! You LIBS owe me $100,000! That’s the approximate cost of all my hard work and efforts that were wasted after I took your lousy advice. Please cancel my subscription the “The Sky is Falling Monthly”.
🙂 Made me laugh out loud. Thanks!
Is everyone in the country sick of global warming yet
Considering what the make up of this country will be in 30-50 years, I’m not sure I give a crap what happens to this planet anymore.
Your comment certainly merits considerable thought.
I didn’t know that toxic stew could freeze over. Learn somethin’ new every day!
Toxic stew? That’s Lake Erie you’re thinking of. Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo.
That lake froze in December. Try again.
Tax the rich; we must return to nature….higher utility bills are the answer; save the planet…sorry, I’m so full of the leftist BS I think I am gonna puke…..
This could be worse than Y2K
Great Lakes Average Ice Concentration updated daily and available here:
http://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/webdata/cwops/webdata/statistic/dat/g2013_2014_ice.dat
I will leave day number to date conversion as an exercise. 🙂
Thanks!
Excavations in Siberia revealed preserved vegetation below the ice, indicating that it once had a temperate climate before the ice age. Even if there were a warming trend in previous years, maybe earth is gradually returning to its original climate; who do Algore and his ilk think they are to declare what the correct climate should be?!
In the Jurrasic, the Sahara desert was an ancient sea. It was literally teeming with life when the planet was not just warm, it was hot. As I understand it, the organic matter left behind is so abundant that it blows on the trade winds from the desert to South America and FERTILIZES the Amazon. When I think of this, it puts all this “climate” stuff into perspective for me.
The concentration of living species is radically higher in the tropics. Costa Rica quotes National Geographic with: “Covering only 19,560 square miles (50,900 square kilometers), an area about the size of West Virginia, Costa Rica contains an astonishing quantity of plant and animal life – about five percent of all known species on Earth.”
Has to be caused by global warming
CLIMATE CHANGE GLOSSARY
PEER REVIEW: The act of banding together a group of like-minded academics with a funding conflict of interest, for the purpose of squeezing out any research voices that threaten the multi-million dollar government grant gravy train.
SETTLED SCIENCE: Betrayal of the scientific method for politics or money or both.
DENIER: Anyone who suspects the truth.
CLIMATE CHANGE: What has been happening for billions of years, but should now be flogged to produce ‘panic for profit.’
NOBEL PEACE PRIZE: Leftist Nutcase Prize, unrelated to “Peace” in any meaningful way.
DATA, EVIDENCE: Unnecessary details. If anyone asks for this, see “DENIER,” above.
CLIMATE SCIENTIST: A person skilled in spouting obscure, scientific-sounding jargon that has the effect of deflecting requests for “DATA” by “DENIERS.” Also skilled at affecting an aura of “Smartest Person in the Room” to buffalo gullible legislators and journalists.
JUNK SCIENCE: The use of invalid scientific evidence resulting in findings of causation which simply cannot be justified or understood from the standpoint of the current state of credible scientific knowledge.
shamelessy stolen….. Thank you
From whom?
I figure if you’re gonna steal it you can correct the spelling. Effecting an aura not affecting an aura, unless you are talking about a psychological affect, in which case it’s an aura of craziest person in the room.
If y’all gonna fix global warming you need to hurry up. I’am freezing my a.. off.
Lake Ontario is said to have been completely frozen over in 1934. The only thing that prevents that being an indisputable fact is that we had no satellite imagery to confirm it. It is also said to have been completely frozen in the 1970s – satellite technology was not being used for this type of thing until the 1980s.
1936?
For all the southerners that say, “Does it snow all year round up there in the great white north?” To them I just simply threw up my hands and said, “Yep! Sure does!” What else can ya do? This winter has indeed been a full year of winter weather, stuffed into a bracket of winter months! Ya, global warming, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! Lol
It’s all a big joke until the crops don’t grow.
I’m just going to leave this right here…
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/27/global-warming-slowdown-not-invalidate-climate-change-science
I’m just going to leave this right here…
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/03/02/ten-years-since-the-guardian-announced-the-end-of-skiing-in-scotland/
Your post has nothing to do with the subject matter other than you trying to blast a newspaper. The source I cited in my post has work quoted from the two best scientific organizations on both sides of the Atlantic just last week, if you read it. Which have concluded that global warming is happening from their own separate studies and research. I am in no way a “leftist” and typically vote republican, however its very difficult to argue the facts that global is actually happening. Moreover debate on the internet is like watching a monkey hump a football, it gets no where. Especially on a website who’s only ambition is to TOTALLY disregard anything someone says just based on their political affiliation. That is very ignorant thinking.
So I read the article to learn that they can only grasp at straws as to why their climate models are failing miserably. All their short term predictions have flopped, actually. Yet, they still tell us we are all doomed. Talk about chimps humping pigskins. Thanks for playing!
MexicanCowboy says:
March 2, 2014 at 5:03 pm
The source I cited in my post
… is the Grauniad. You really could have just left it at that. You appear to suffer from a common affliction known as Gell-Mann Amnesia.
I would respond to your specific ramblings if someone would be so kind as to translate your gibberish. Help out a knuckle dragging, neanderthal denier bro — Something about hating on the Guardian is wrong but two of your superhero orgs cited in the agenda-driven rag are infallible. Oh, and then you leap into your pretend politics. Was that to depress us….or to impress us? Then you bounce into something about debating on the internet gets no where…..yet here you are?!? Teachable moment — 1. If you like your admitted fraudulent psuedo-scientists such as Peter Gleick, you can keep your admitted fraudulent psuedo-scientists. Just do it on your own dime…
“global is happening”???
And you are like the racist proclaiming he has “many black friends”. Yea right. The Guardian is a KNOWN censor of all things (data and comments) that do not conform to ITS opinion on AGW.
A bunch of people interested in things like when lakes freeze.. I love it! I’m in heaven. I have no particular knowledge with regard to this area of science, but I think I’ve heard a couple things which might be useful in figuring this out. First, obviously, Lake Ontario is deep relative to its size. I’m betting this allows for greater quantities of warmer (non-frozen) water from the bottom to continually disrupt the ice above – thereby causing the lake to take longer to freezing over. Additionally, I think I once read that the lakes to the west of Ontario cause a warming effect on the air temp to the east, thereby giving Lake Ontario warmer air temperatures less capable of freezing the surface waters. Also, my personal observation of weather patterns has given me the impression that the coldest average temperatures seem to occur to the west of Lake Ontario (particularly centered around Lake Superior). All these things together would seem to play a role. I’m just guessing though (in an educated way I hope).
In Summary:
Global warning intensifies!
(I would say something negative about the people who believe in global warming but I just do not like attacking the religion of other people.)
Hmm.
That darn global warming, just keeps rearing its ugly head.Dosent it?
Someone needs to contact Al Gore on his gas guzzling jet to inform him of the latest freeze.
He’s gonna be pissed that his well laid
Propaganda plans will have to go into
deep freeze at least until summer,
When the country thaws out.
Shear idiocy and hypocrisy from the enviormentalists on the left.
Rained all day, the night I left
The weather was bone dry
Got so hot nearly froze to death
Susanna don’t you cry.
With regard to the overall weather pattern question, once again, I have nothing to back me up but personal experience (and a couple observations of historical data). When I was young, I played hockey in Duluth, MN (in the ’70’s). I remember we’d come into the warming shack after practice, take off our skates and wait for our dad’s to rub our feet back to life. The screaming started at one end of the shack and took over everything within minutes. I left Minnesota long ago but I have friends and family who’ve told me the last 20 years have been strangely lacking in cold or snow (usually). I’m told there’s been no screaming in the warming shack. What I’m saying is I don’t think this year is definitively an aberration. The aberration may be that this year has taken so long to get here.
Has it occurred to you that the 1970’s might have been the aberration?
Perhaps they were. I haven’t studied the historical data for a long enough period of time to know. Unfortunately, I’m not sure that data exists. Truthfully, therein lies the primary problem I think. I really appreciate your reading my post though! I feel published.
NASA shows 95% of sun’s radiation hitting earth’s atmosphere is reflected back to out space in the upper atmosphere by CO2 and NO. If not for that, we really would be in hot water.
http://www.naturalnews.com/040448_solar_radiation_global_warming_debunked.html
Huh?
I love it. It is like God is mocking liberals over the global warming hoax.
Every time they start talking about it god dumps a couple of tons of snow on them.
Does anyone know why Lake Ontario isn’t freezing up?
It is freezing very rapidly
From my hilltop house near the Eastern end it’s looking quite frozen for miles. With Ontario’s strong currents and winds it’s slow to freeze. When fishing out of a boat, care has to be taken to consider the current or else tangled downrigger cables and lines can occur. Enough windless days could freeze it though. When windy the wave action from the West really builds into giant rollers and breaks up and moves ice around, but ice cover quickly returns when it’s calm, which it has been the last few days.
Currents!!! I’d forgotten how strong they were. Also, Ontario doesn’t warm to depth… bodies of the drowned don’t surface once they sink. A great many bodies are never recovered.
Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get. The Leftists will spin the cold weather as “climate change”, just as they had spun warm weather as “global warming”. Whatever they call it, it’s an excuse to impose more control on the rest of humanity”for their own good”. EVERYTHING is “for their own good”. Live long enough, and you get to see that most of what “everybody knows” is BS.
Stop global whining!!!
Why
I am more interested in what this much colder than normal winter presages for our spring and summer. I believe I have seen it both ways. Warm winter, followed by cool spring and also the reverse. Here in Central MD the Chesapeake Bay is much colder now than normally in early March. So it will have to affect our weather in the next few weeks.
Does anyone think maybe all this ice, snow and cold weather might mean someone up there is trying to tell us we have no control over the climate of this planet? Isn’t this kind of a slap in the face to Algore and his merry band of Eco-terrorists?
Does anyone think maybe all this ice, snow and cold weather might mean someone up there is trying to tell us we have no control over the climate of this planet? Isn’t this kind of a slap in the face to Algore and his merry band of Eco-terrrorists?
The frozen Great Lakes are causing a political crisis in Canada. Heretofore untold numbers of inhabitants of “Canada’s basement” are brazenly crossing into the Dominion. NDP party apparatchiks have been spotted meeting the invaders with snowmobiles bearing Hudson’s Bay blankets, hot beaver tails and poutine. Conservative party observers denounce this as an effort to swell the ranks of “undocumented New Democrats” and vow to use secret Canadian technology to restore the lakes to a liquid state. NDP officials deny any part in the affair, but a reporter for the Toronto Star claimed that an NDP office had ordered a mass printing of “The Newcomers Guide to Hockey”. Further reports as events unfold.
There has gotta be a hockey stick there somewhere!
Idiots, it’s caused by global warming. Al Gore told me that, he’s an expert.
Since 1998, more than 31,000 American scientists from diverse climate-related disciplines, including more than 9,000 with Ph.D.s, have signed a public petition announcing their belief that “…there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” Included are atmospheric physicists, botanists, geologists, oceanographers, and meteorologists.
So where did that famous “consensus” claim that “98% of all scientists believe in global warming” come from? It originated from an endlessly reported 2009 American Geophysical Union (AGU) survey consisting of an intentionally brief two-minute, two question online survey sent to 10,257 earth scientists by two researchers at the University of Illinois. Of the about 3.000 who responded, 82% answered “yes” to the second question, which like the first, most people I know would also have agreed with.
Then of those, only a small subset, just 77 who had been successful in getting more than half of their papers recently accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals, were considered in their survey statistic. That “98% all scientists” referred to a laughably puny number of 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”.
Thanks for that information. I will pass it along.
While real polling of climate scientists and organization memberships is rare, there are a few examples. A 2008 international survey of climate scientists conducted by German scientists Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch revealed deep disagreement regarding two-thirds of the 54 questions asked about their professional views. Responses to about half of those areas were skewed on the “skeptic” side, with no consensus to support any alarm. The majority did not believe that atmospheric models can deal with important influences of clouds, precipitation, atmospheric convection, ocean convection, or turbulence. Most also did not believe that climate models can predict precipitation, sea level rise, extreme weather events, or temperature values for the next 50 years.
A 2010 survey of media broadcast meteorologists conducted by the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication found that 63% of 571 who responded believe global warming is mostly caused by natural, not human, causes. Those polled included members of the American Meteorological Society (AMS) and the National Weather Association.
A more recent 2012 survey published by the AMS found that only one in four respondents agreed with UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change claims that humans are primarily responsible for recent warming. And while 89% believe that global warming is occurring, only 30% said they were very worried.
A March 2008 canvas of 51,000 Canadian scientists with the Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists and Geophysics of Alberta (APEGGA) found that although 99% of 1,077 replies believe climate is changing, 68% disagreed with the statement that “…the debate on the scientific causes of recent climate change is settled.” Only 26% of them attributed global warming to “human activity like burning fossil fuels.” Regarding these results, APEGGA’s executive director, Neil Windsor, commented, “We’re not surprised at all. There is no clear consensus of scientists that we know of.”
@The Bobster – Do you have a link to the GMU study? Much appreciated.
Everyone wants a cleaner planet for ourselves and our children.
However, we don’t want to bludgeoned with guilt, fear mongering, and taxes, or penalties and regulations that cripple our economy and our way of life.
Can we not find reasonable compromises that don’t result in transferring massive amounts of wealth from America to third-world countries?
No.
I hope the author can obtain a comment from lying demoRAT-COMMUNIST party fool and colossal fraud algore.
Only “man’s arrogance” thinks he can change the CLIMATE OF A PLANET……..PERIOD!
Its been a cold winter for sure – and #3 (so far) on our all time snowfall totals in Ohio with winter far from over. As for MGW, the Chinese are doing more to “heat us up” than anyone, by a large margin. I think a little MORE CO2 would be good for most living things and a slightly warmer planet would actually benefit food production, etc, not that it matters really – nature will take its own course, as it always has back through millions of year. As for it getting warmer, explain again why the oceans have NOT risen in the past three decades – all my friends who live on the seasshore have never noticed any increase in water levels, and that includes friends living on almost every Continent. Well???
Herp derp. Al gore!!11 BENGHAZI!!! OBAMA FONES. LAME STREAM NEW YORK SLIMES LIEBERAL DEMOCRAP MEDIA!!!111!
I think all the tyrants like Al Gore and the like need is any change to anything at all… they just need to use their considerable influence (propaganda machine – i.e. new media, and mass media) to draw their own conclusions about what the cause is… and they make billions selling their B.S. which further funds their propaganda machine. It’s perpetual mind control. We’re the stupid ones for listening to their B.S. when we have solid scientific DATA which we can see ourselves. ICE is cold, FIRE is hot. C02 is what PLANTS eat. More PLANTS are a GOOD thing. Basic facts will tell you that we’re stupid to listen to these snake oil salesmen.
Algore is right about warming being the cause. Just last summer my truck over heated, and sure enough, there were ice cubes coming out of the tail pipe.
Unlike many here I actually have real life experience. I fell off a jet ski once into Lake Ontario. And I’m here to say that the water was really cold.
The only Global Warming that Obama needs to worry about is the one being engineered by Putin in the Ukraine. And its certifiably and unambiguously 100% AGW too!!!
A propos declaring polar bears endangered species. Understanding its origins sheds some light on what we are being maneuvered into.
The only logical rationale for that is to stop, and perhaps, reverse the evolution. The “Liberal” ideologues and their useful idiots would be mostly happy to revive Neanderthal men and protect them from evolutionary elimination.
This anti-evolutionary agenda is the reason why they push for social leveling, try to curtail and eliminate healthy competition, and preach the nonsenses of the AGW theory that is de facto a tricky way to redistribute wealth of nations from the prosperous to those that are on the bring of collapse.
Just look what happened to America. We used to be the world leader in progress in science, technology, manufacturing, and living standards. That progress slowed down in the 1960ies when the “Liberals” got their grasp of political power, and is approaching a full stop as their power becomes more and more prevalent.
From the shore near Rochester NY we currently have about 100 feet of solid ice that you could walk on. Then about 100 feet of free floating ice/slush (visibly moving eastward with the current). Then mostly open water with about 25% very light slush coverage. Visibility limited to a few miles out. Little wind at this time. Even if the cold temps persist a slight wind will stir up the slush and loose ice with the warm water and it will probably revert back to mostly open water. I have seen this progression/regression many times in the winter. The lake is about 35 miles wide at this location.
This might look like “ice coverage” from a satellite, but it is more like slush coverage. Still interesting to watch.
The newspaper account from 1934 was pre-satellite. I doubt anybody walked out from shore to see how far the ice went.
Kevin.
Look at the weather forecast for the next two weeks. If that is accurate, it will be frozen over.
Pathetic.
That anomaly map is truly bizarre. I’m living in an area marked by the -4 to -6 band of colour, & we aren’t within 15° of normal for this time of year.
Amazing that no one had thought to invent something called a boat by 1934, so there was no way to observe directly how far the ice extended without a satellite. Those people back in 1934 didn’t have binoculars either and were helpless to see more than 100 yards from shore.
Yeah, there was no shipping in Lake Ontario in 1934. No cars from Detroit could be shipped, no steel, grain, or coal, because they didn’t have boats yet.
Al Gore tells us CO2 creating the Polar Vortex. We believe him because he invented the internet.
It is rather amusing to be sitting her in Texas in the middle of an ice storm while the dems pontificate about global warming.
Let’s see played 18 holes this morning, nailed clays at the range for a few hours. I think I’ll take the boat out for sunset. No point in complaining about the weather, last I saw nothing can be done about it.
If this is ‘global warming’ I would hate to see what winter would really be like. We’ve ad over 60 inches of snow this year, (which happens to be 37 inches over normal. ) Hey Alison Gorsky tell my snowblower its going to get warmer and melt the ice cap from all of this “man made heat. LOL
In the 70’s, were they going to run out of oil before they froze to death or after?
Ya just gotta love that Democrat Man made Global Warming scam they are working so hard to get everyone to believe!
I am not sure if anyone else has provided the information that very recently Niagara falls is now frozen thus drastically eliminating any water turbulence caused by the falls. So if it stays below freezing for the next couple of weeks, then Lake Ontario could freeze over. If not, then the amount of ice cove could dramatically increase
1. Turbulence doesn’t add heat
2. Niagara Falls is 15 miles from Lake Ontario
3. The amount of water added by the Niagara River in 2 weeks is 0.00000000% of the water in Lake Ontario
4. WTF?
Great Lakes Approaching 100% Ice Cover – For The First Time On Record
it could only be (all together now) Global warming ..lolol you libs and green weenies have no credibility…give it up..
I get depressed and intimidated by Al Gore. Can’t help it. Striving away every day just to exist and he gets to invent the Iinternet AND Global warming all in one lifetime. Ain’t far. Ain’t far I tell ya’!
Hey AL Gore please buy my carbon credits, I need the money because I am freezing and the snow is so high I need to pay a kid to shovel. Please Al buy my credits, I am begging you, please, oh Al have a heart you got me in to this mess with your predictions of us burning up by 2012. Remember the summer of 2006 when you said this was the hottest year in 700 years? I didn’t realize that they did not have gas guzzlers then. You tricked me. Please buy my credits!!!
Seems like everyone is trying to figure out why Lake Ontario has yet to freeze over.
The answer lies is a few simple reasons:
1. Lake Ontario has a very deep basin. Aside from a small section in the northeast corner of the lake nearly all of the lake is over 400′ deep.
2. Maritime moderation. Lake Ontario lies downwind of other lakes in most cold air advection regimes. The most typical flow of cold air advection comes from the northwest; upwind lies Superior and Huron. These lakes moderate the boundary layer air before arriving to Ontario. Of course, this isn’t much of a problem now, but normally, this adds several degrees to the skin temperature of the air/increases it’s humidity.
3. Cloud moderation. Again, clouds bounce back escaping IR radiation. During cold air advection regimes where clouds are produced in lake effect snow events, the portin of the clouds over the water reradiates escaping IR coming from the lake surface. Add in clouds from upwind lakes and this creates further warming in the boundary layer of the air over Ontario in particular.
4. Prevailing wind direction. Since wind tends to align down the length of Ontario in most cold air advection regimes from a westerly component, this creates a swell on the lake which promotes mixing of water and hinders ice development.
Ice development on Lake Ontario best occurs when there’s periods of north wind and/or calm high pressure. The next two days WILL see north winds (tomorrow) and high pressure (tuesday). The GLERL analysis on March 4th will have the highest concentration over all basins for the year, and for Ontario as well. Perhaps Ontario will top out at 60%. But it won’t freeze over.
The weather patterns after March 4th is looking unsuitable for continued ice growth and I suspect most of the ice on Ontario to diminish back down to 20% by the 7th.
1. Lake Superior and Huron don’t moderate anything because they are frozen
2. No maritime moderation because it’s currently -4 here in upstate NY
3. The cloud thing is true. Always cloudy there
4. Wind aligning down the lake causes it to cool off faster due to the wind chill effect
5. mixing not necessary to hinder ice development, 38 degree water doesn’t freeze
6. Ontario won’t freeze over this year. 48 degrees on Friday
1. I repeat, “These lakes moderate the boundary layer air before arriving to Ontario. Of course, this isn’t much of a problem now, but normally, this adds several degrees to the skin temperature of the air/increases it’s humidity.”
If you actually bothered to read this fully I inserted the clause “this isn’t much of a problem now” inferring that those lakes are currently frozen. But throughout the winter season (not any one in particular, generically-speaking) these lakes moderate the Cp airmasses before reaching Ontario in most CAA regimes.
4. Wind causes the surface to cool. But the surface is a miniscule volume compared to the heat reserve in the rest of the body of water. Swell causes warmer sub-surface waters to mix to the surface. Swells build when the wind blows down the length of the lake. The length of the lake is aligned to the prevailing wind direction. This is all real simple stuff here.
5. Mixing most assuredly does hinder ice development. And what do you think the temperature was in the middle of Lake Michigan when it just froze over?? Ice forms along the near-shore waters, blows out into the middle of the lake where it usually melts over the warmer waters. So it doesn’t matter if the water temperature is 38. The only thing that will do is melt the ice which drifts into that region. When the ice is thick enough, or when the air temperature is cold enough to retain the ice which drifts into areas with warmer water temperatures, the upper layers of water under the ice stratify.
6. Ontario will reach about 60% this season. It won’t freeze completely because there’s too much insolation this time of year for the lake to freeze over given it’s current state. And it might reach 35 on Friday but certainly not 48. You get that forecast from Hansen, or something?
48 downgraded to 43 now 37.
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=43.16103&lon=-77.6109219&site=all&smap=1&searchresult=Rochester%2C%20NY%2C%20USA#.UxUUQW9OjQc
Must be Dana Nuccitelli at work.
Wow, even with everything that Is presented to you Steve Goddard, if that’s your real name, climate change isn’t happening in your lifetime? Maybe you should argue gun control or minimum wage or health care, oh wait every other conservative outlet is already doing that, hmmmm…have any new ideas???
Weather is cyclical
Bwaahh!!! Great argument you have there Eric. Yep, you just convinced everyone with your outstanding knowledge. Idiot.
Eric – I believe the climate has been changing for billions of years. And will continue to change for the next billion years. Long after our species is extinct.
But I don’t see any evidence that burning fossil fuels will affect global temperatures in my lifetime. The natural temperature variation each day exceeds the changes in the averages over the last century.
Humans are now living in a wide variety of climates around the globe. Humans have proven to be quite adaptable. The species is thriving right now due to cheap fossil fuel energy. While the climate will continue to change, I have faith the species will adapt. After all, we invented air conditioners so that people can live in Houston.
Why don’t you stick around and see what Steve has to offer on his blog. Or better yet, r\ead some of his old posts. You might actually learn a thing or two.
Not too bright are you eric? Steve has never said climate change will not happen in his lifetime. He is not the fool you are.
He has stated that AGW is not a C at THIS time. And certainly not due to any of the failed models used to generate hysteria among the weak minded – like yourself.
RUN!!! Polar bears reported prowling around Al Gore’s house.
Wow, thank heaven for for Global Warming, otherwise things would be a lot worse. Everyone should send Al Gore a lot of money for keeping an Ice Age away.
Maybe Lake Ontario doesn’t freeze because of the waste dumped into it on its western edge. Oh no 4 million people wouldn’t or couldn’t be a reason for Lake Ontario not freezing as quickly as say 30 or 40 years ago. I know it’s the methane gas from all the cows, hold on maybe it’s e-coli, ops I’ve got to go a text just came and I lost my train of thought.
Al Gore is a genius……….the Earth is clearly warming, up is down, red is yellow and obama care is a good deal!
Global warming sure is elusive, I wish that I could find some so that I can move there!
We have terrestrial and satellite information for the last few years on C02 infrared radiation. C02 adsorbs infrared and reemits it 360 degrees in its own particular infrared spectrum. The amount of infrared emission, in the C02 spectrum, being sent into space is decreasing and the amount going to Earth is increasing. However, this is a small contribution to overall infrared spectrum. Man’s contribution to any C02 effect is even a smaller part.
The far North is warming (in general) and the far south (in general) is cooling. Weather patterns have changed ‘again’. In addition to cold, the amount of precipitation is important to the thickness of ice at the poles. A glacier will not grow if the wintertime precipitation is low. The remaining glaciers in North America are mainly in more temperate climates with a high amount of precipitation in winter.
The ice on the arctic ocean is already floating and displacing water. A melt will not raise the ocean levels. Greenland and Antarctica are the ocean raisers. The largest mass of ice on the planet, on Western Antarctica, continues to increase. The total ice on the planet is increasing.
I like “green” but we should not handcuff our economy in our war against global warming. Even if man-made global warming is significant, USA policies absolutely will not stop it.
mayhaps It’s been cleaned up of trash fairly well now in order to freeze
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i was always told lake superior is too deep to ever freeze over it is 1,332 ft; deep i found also