Arctic sea ice extent was at or near a decadal high for most of the last two months of 2014, and after a brief hiatus (and sensor error yesterday) is back near that position again.
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Sensor error? Or was someone teasing the highly gullible alarmists?
There are not big enough error bars to encompass Jim’s errors.
I assume you actually mean “near a decadal high for the time of year” or some such? If so then it isn’t according to NSIDC:
http://greatwhitecon.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2015-01-18-Charctic.png
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/
Jimbo! I am dying to see your confrontation with Al Gore over his use of the most alarmist Arctic ‘projection’ ever, when he spoke to the world in Oslo.
Have you contacted him yet?
Got credibility? ;lol:
Be serious, gator. Jim Hunt (you can guess the rhyming Cockney slang here) is using an “index” provided by the guys who can’t send a human into space any more without killing them. That’s completely different from using some vague thing like “extent”.
You seem to be a trifle confused?. NSIDC != NASA
You appear to be incredible. Contacted Gore yet?
I would not believe NASA if they told me when the sun was supposed to rise tomorrow without checking other sources first. NASA, NOAA and the US government has lost ALL credibility.
The USA ratified UN Framework Convention on Climate Change in 21/03/94 thanks to the deceit of Hansen and ex-senator Tim Wirth.
That’s from the official UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (http://unfccc.int/essential_background/convention/background/items/2536.php). The term specifically excludes all natural climate change, and even excludes any caused by humans due to, for example, land clearance or city building, considering only atmospheric changes.
So now thanks to that treaty, ONLY a ” change of climate which is attributed directly or indirectly to human activity” is allowed to be spoken of by the US government employees.
Was in http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12
You seem confused Jim Hunt. Tony said “decadal high”, and gave a chart with the last 10 years, plus YTD.
You gave a chart for this YTD, and the previous 2 years.
Since when are 2 years a decade?
Hello again Les! Long time no see.
If you followed my link you’d no doubt note that (unlike DMI) the NSIDC cleverly allow you to display only the years of particular interest to you. In this case that’s 2008, 2009 and 2015. Unless I am much mistaken those all fall within the most recent decade, however defined.
Can you please provide a copy of the post you wrote about Al Gore’s ridiculous alarmist ‘projection’ he made in Oslo, and how wrong it was to do so.
Thanks!
You are in a “fruit” mode today. You are comparing apples to oranges, and cherry picking.
The DMI chart is 30% extent, the NSIDC is 15%. (apples and oranges)
You pick two years that are higher, to compare. (the cherry pick)
While plenty of fruit is essential for a good diet, it sucks in science.
Jim Hunt: When using your source, 2105 is the 4th highest on day 19, out of the last 11 years.
2015 is above the mean and the median.
Statistically, 2015 is = or > all years except 2009, using a std dev of 0.188548041
In other words, using your source, 2015 is at or near decadal highs.
Still using your source, using the std dev of Day 19 (0.9545), then 2015 is = or > than ALL years in the record, 2005-2015.
In other words, 2015 is at decadal highs using your source.
Well done.
Jim Hunt: From your source:
The std dev 0.188548041 is over the record from 2005 to 2015.
The std dev 0.9545 is over the entire record.
Just in case you want to check.
Les – So you’re proposing 1SD of 10 (or is it 11) samples on a particular day of the year as a definition of “near” and/or “close”? Do you have anything to suggest regarding “exactly” and “likely”?
Are apples better than oranges, or vice versa? Why?
Regarding cherries, what happens if you do your sums for day 8 instead of day 19 on the NSIDC data?
What happens if you try and do your sums on the various flavours of DMI data?
Nice try at diversion. Tony was correct to say ice extent was at or near decadal highs, using either 30% or 15% extent.
Admit you are wrong and move on.
Les – I pose (most of) those questions in here, because nobody answered them over there:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/01/17/implausible-deniability-2/#comment-483169
Nice try at diversion. You do at least appear to be taking a “statistical” rather than “eyeball” approach to matters. “Real Science” possibly? Now please answer the questions.
Jim,
Do you believe that Al Gore’s Nobel Prize winning forecast of ice-free in 2014 was correct?
Tony said “at or near decadal highs”, on day 19. He is correct, regardless of data source, or statistical method.
Admit you are wrong, or show I am wrong.
Quit trying to move the thimble…
Les – I’m not the one moving the thimble. To reiterate
1. I graciously answer a question about surface temperature in the thread I link to above that had remained unanswered by Tony or anyone else for over 13 hours.
2. I receive an earful of abuse for my trouble, and Tony introduces the topic of Arctic sea ice and then refuses to answer any of my pertinent questions.
3. Tony starts this new thread on the topic of Arctic sea ice, which seems to me like the logical place to continue that conversation.
4. I don’t know what numbers you are using supposedly from “my source”, but my spreadsheet contains the daily NSIDC extent numbers. Using your standard deviation 13.82223 (from 2015) + 0.188548041 < 14.22053 (from 2009) – Q.E.D?
5. Please answer my other questions too.
“Steven” – See https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/01/17/implausible-deniability-2/#comment-483271
Nobody cares about your bullshit
I care though Tony!
How big are the error bars on your BS detector?
No response yet Les? Can I safely assume that you approve of my analysis?
“Since when are 2 years a decade?”
When they’ve been redesignated to be by cliamte McScientists like little Jimmy C – er, sorry – Hunt, of course!
“Since when are 2 years a decade?”
Since weather became climate!
The meaning of my statement is obvious to anyone with an IQ higher than a turnip.
Jim Hunt doesn’t even qualify for turnip.
Speaking of qualifications…
Jim Hunt
Exeter, South West England
Surrealist programmer and cutting edge contemporary artist!
Now we understand the ‘surreal’ part of his posts! 😆
Surrealism is a bourgeois disaffection; that its militants thought it universal is only one of the signs that it is typically bourgeois.
-Susan Sontag
“The only difference between me and a madman is that I’m not mad.”
– Salvador Dali
Al Gore. Have you contacted him yet, and badgered him about his extremely alarmist ‘projection’ that he used on a world stage in Oslo, in order to get filthy rich?
His ridiculous ‘projection’ was not even close to the mark.
Why do you stalk Tony, and not go after others?
Got problems? 😆
I think you’re a trifle mentally ill.
Is this guy still working? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztz3ZdPbdKo
http://neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov/csb/personnel/index.php?id=63
http://science.gsfc.nasa.gov/sed/index.cfm?fuseAction=people.jumpBio&iphonebookid=7052
10 / 2007 – Present
Chief Cryosphere Scientist (ST level)
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD
Totally make things up, and still keep your job at NASA (Become the Chief scientist) Chief Cryosphere Scientist (ST level)
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD
http://science.gsfc.nasa.gov/sed/index.cfm?fuseAction=people.jumpBio&iphonebookid=7052
How’s that “Tipping point going”?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztz3ZdPbdKo
Jimbo! I am still anxiously waiting to see your confrontation with Al Gore over his use of the most alarmist Arctic ‘projection’ ever, when he spoke to the world in Oslo.
Extreme hyperbole to make a buck or billion
Tony basically does this for free.
So what is your beef really?
It clearly isn’t about accuracy
Have you contacted Gore yet?
Can you spell ‘hypocrite’?
Got credibility? 😆
It seems the new meme in various article comments has now become “Gore is not a scientist”. I guess Inconvenient Truth can be ignored since he is not qualified.