No Public School Student Has Seen Any Warming During Their Lifetime

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1. Marsh says:

   May 4, 2015 at 12:02 pm

   No , but the School Children have been subject to brainwashing & propaganda ; those subjects will invaluable towards ClimAstrology.

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2. Climatism says:

   May 4, 2015 at 12:45 pm

   Reblogged this on Climatism.

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3. sfx2020 says:

   May 4, 2015 at 3:16 pm

   It’s much worse than the global data shows. (as some already know) High school students in large areas of the northern hemisphere have actually been through the most extreme winters and cold anyone alive has been through. Since they started off during the milder winter trend, it seems that climate has changed a lot to them. So at the same time they hear the constant refrain of “hotter than ever”, they experience “colder than ever”, which might be promoting the skepticism found in the young. (or the “who cares?”)

   You can’t sell somebody on global warming when it is obviously getting colder. Summer heat waves do not have the lasting impact that record snow and cold does.

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   • Gail Combs says:

     May 4, 2015 at 4:14 pm

     Especially when ten or so years ago (2004 & 2005) was a real scorcher at least here in North Carolina. We had six days in a row at 98 °F (Down graded from 101 °F) and a total of 24 days above ninety for the month of July (2004) not to mention 6 days over 90 °F in April 2004 and 17 days over 90F in May 2004.

     I count 43 day over ninety F for 2004 by July tenth vs 26 days for 2010.

     In 2013 there were only five days ninety over. BIG CHANGE! Only one day at 95°F and 4 days at 91°F. That has been ‘adjusted’ to FIFTEEN DAYS ninety or above. 2014 was a little hotter than 2013 but not much. The highest temp was only one day at 97°F and only four over 95 and a total over 22 over 90°F.

     July 2005 was even worse. 26 days ninety and over with ten days at 98 °F and three days at 102 °F.

     Global Warming WHAT Global Warming…..

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4. gregole says:

   May 5, 2015 at 12:57 am

   Just remember that Climate Change is just Global Warming without the warming.

   Wait. What?

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5. smamarver says:

   May 5, 2015 at 6:55 am

   Global warming is not something to be seen, like a solar eclipse, for example. I guess we should agree that humans are no strager to climate change. Global warming is no natural cycle. At least I don’t think so. Too many environment aggression in the past 150 years. I think that one of the main causes of the climate change is represented by naval wars and by human activity on the oceans. Here are some ideas and research that sustain my believes: http://www.1ocean-1climate.com.

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   • Gail Combs says:

     May 5, 2015 at 11:52 am

     Hubris

     Modern humans have not yet seen real climate change. The type of climate change Mother Nature is fully capable of throwing at us all by her lonesome.

     http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/65_Myr_Climate_Change_Rev.jpg

     http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/Five_Myr_Climate_Change_Rev.jpg

     http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/gisp-last-10000-new.png

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   • Gail Combs says:

     May 5, 2015 at 11:53 am

     Woods Hole Observatory warned about wide temperature swings a few years ago and that politicians maybe barking up the wrong tree.

     Abrupt Climate Change: Should We Be Worried?

     ….Fossil evidence clearly demonstrates that Earth vs climate can shift gears within a decade, establishing new and different patterns that can persist for decades to centuries….

     This new paradigm of abrupt climate change has been well established over the last decade by research of ocean, earth and atmosphere scientists at many institutions worldwide. But the concept remains little known and scarcely appreciated in the wider community of scientists, economists, policy makers, and world political and business leaders. Thus, world leaders may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur….

     There was even a committee formed and a book written: Abrupt Climate Change – Inevitable Surprises”, Committee on Abrupt Climate Change, National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences, 2002, ISBN: 0-309-51284-0, 244 pages, Richard B. Alley, chair.

     Richard B. Alley of the U.Penn. was elected to the National Academy of Sciences, chaired the National Research Council on Abrupt Climate Change. for well over a decade and in 1999 was invited to testify about climate change by Vice President Al Gore. In 2002, the NAS (Alley chair) published the book.

     . From the opening paragraph in the executive summary:

     Recent scientific evidence shows that major and widespread climate changes have occurred with startling speed. For example, roughly half the north Atlantic warming since the last ice age was achieved in only a decade, and it was accompanied by significant climatic changes across most of the globe. Similar events, including local warmings as large as 16°C, occurred repeatedly during the slide into and climb out of the last ice age.

     Alley is not the only one who has documented natural abrupt climate change. The earth has seen abrupt climate change since the Holocene Optimum.
     Holocene temperature history at the western Greenland Ice Sheet margin reconstructed from lake sediments – Axford et al. (2012)

     ….As summer insolation declined through the late Holocene, summer temperatures cooled and the local ice sheet margin expanded. Gradual, insolation-driven millennial-scale temperature trends in the study area were punctuated by several abrupt climate changes, including a major transient event recorded in all five lakes between 4.3 and 3.2 ka, which overlaps in timing with abrupt climate changes previously documented around the North Atlantic region and farther afield at ?4.2 ka…..

     You can not blame those abrupt changes on mankind either since they are seen in other interglacials.
     A late Eemian aridity pulse in central Europe during the last glacial inception Sirocko and Seelos, 2005

     Investigating the processes that led to the end of the last interglacial period is relevant for understanding how our ongoing interglacial will end, which has been a matter of much debate…..

     ….The onset of the LEAP occurred within less than two decades, demonstrating the existence of a sharp threshold, which must be near 416 Wm2, which is the 65oN July insolation for 118 kyr BP (ref. 9). This value is only slightly below today’s value of 428 Wm2. Insolation will remain at this level slightly above the glacial inception for the next 4,000 years before it then increases again…..”

     That is a heck of a long time to be sitting on the edge of a cliff waiting for other factors to push the earth into glaciation.

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   • Gail Combs says:

     May 5, 2015 at 12:22 pm

     What about Glacial Inception going forward?

     That is what SHOULD be the real concern. Even if the earth does not go full Ice Age the earth will be at the threshold for thousands of years. A threshold region described as a climatic “madhouse”! by Neuman and Hearty (1996) Rapid Sea-level Changes at the Close of the Last Interglacial (substage_5e) Recorded in Bahamian Island Geology

     …The lesson from the last interglacial “greenhouse” in the Bahamas is that the closing of that interval brought sea-level changes that were rapid and extreme. This has prompted the remark that between the greenhouse and the icehouse lies a climatic “madhouse”!

     Loutre and Berger’s 2003 paper, based on models, said the Holocene would go long and be a double precession cycle. Loutre and Berger focused on MIS 11, the only known double precession cycle as a possible analog for the Holocene.

     More recent papers refute this.

     New MIS 19 EPICA Dome C high resolution deuterium data: Hints for a problematic
     preservation of climate variability at sub-millennial scale in the “oldest ice”
     Jouzel et al., (2007)

     ABSTRACT
     Marine Isotope Stage 19 (MIS 19) is the oldest interglacial period archived in the EPICA Dome C ice core (~ 780 ky BP) and the closest “orbital analogue” to the Holocene — albeit with a different obliquity amplitude and phase with precession…..

     During the glacial inception from MIS 19 to MIS 18, the low resolution EPICA Dome C water stable isotope record (Jouzel et al., 2007) has revealed millennial variability principally marked by the occurrence of three consecutive warm events (hereafter called Antarctic Isotope Maxima – AIM, following EPICA-community-members, 2006, and noted A, B, C on Fig. 2)…..

     …This comparison shows the lack of a perfect orbital analogue but highlights that, as seen on Fig. 1, the orbital context of MIS 19 is closer to the present one than during MIS 5e or 11….

     The post Holocene Climate Optimum warm events, are: the Medieval Warm Period, Roman and Minoan. As of 2014 the Holocene is exactly 11,717 years old (based on the end of the Younger Dryas cold interval). The precession cycle itself varies between 19 and 23kyrs and we are at the 23kyr part of that cycle now, making 11,500 half.

     An even more robust paper based on A Pliocene-Pleistocene stack of 57 globally distributed benthic D18O records by Lisiecki & Raymo (2005) disagree with Loutre and Berger’s conclusions.

     ABSTRACT
     We present a 5.3-Myr stack (the ‘‘LR04’’ stack) of benthic d18O records from 57 globally distributed sites aligned by an automated graphic correlation algorithm. This is the first benthic d18O stack composed of more than three records to extend beyond 850 ka,…

     RESULTS
     Recent research has focused on MIS 11 as a possible analog for the present interglacial [e.g., Loutre and Berger, 2003; EPICA Community Members, 2004] because both occur during times of low eccentricity. The LR04 age model establishes that MIS 11 spans two precession cycles, with d18O values below 3.6% for 20 kyr, from 398 – 418 ka. In comparison, stages 9 and 5 remained below 3.6% for 13 and 12 kyr, respectively, and the Holocene interglacial has lasted 11 kyr so far. In the LR04 age model, the average LSR of 29 sites is the same from 398– 418 ka as from 250–650 ka; consequently, stage 11 is unlikely to be artificially stretched. However, the 21 June insolation minimum at 65°N during MIS 11 is only 489 W/m2, much less pronounced than the present minimum of 474 W/m2. In addition, current insolation values are not predicted to return to the high values of late MIS 11 for another 65 kyr. We propose that this effectively precludes a ‘‘double precession cycle’’ interglacial [e.g., Raymo, 1997] in the Holocene without human influence….

     From the paper Can we predict the duration of an interglacial? I extracted the 21 June solar insolation @ 65? N for several glacial inceptions:

     NOW (Modern Warm Period) 479 W m?2

     MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m?2,
     MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m?2,
     MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m?2,
     MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m?2,
     MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m?2,

     So the Holocene is within the window of solar insolation @ 65? N when glacial-inception occurred during other interglacials.

     From NOAA:
     (www1DOT)ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/climate_forcing/orbital_variations/berger_insolation/insol91.jun

     Holocene peak insolation: 523 Wm-2
     ……………………………………………..decrease = 47 Wm-2
     NOW (modern Warm Period) 476 Wm-2
     …………………………………………….. decrease = 12 Wm-2
     Depth of the last ice age – around 464 Wm?2

     The Holocene interglacial started abruptly(within one year according to Alley) between 12ka and 11ka NOAA gives the following insolation values:
     11 ka … 523.16 Wm-2
     12 ka … 522.50 Wm-2

     So near peak insolation was needed to boot the earth out of the Wisconsin Ice Age into the Holocene. Not a concept to give anyone the warm fuzzies. Especially when Obummer and the idiots in the EU ticked off Putin so Russia is “moving rapidly to bolster ties with North Korea.” A North Korea run by a nutter like Kim Jong-un who might be stupid enough to lob a nuke at Yellowstone.

     Does North Korea have that capability? North Korea put a satellite in space in 2012. In 2006, 2009 and again in 2013, North Korea claimed that it had conducted successful nuclear tests. Now North Korea is cozying up to Russia who does have the capability.

     Russia Plans Joint Military Drills With North Korea and Cuba

     ….Russia’s defence minister Sergey Shoygu, along with the heads of all armed forces branches, Gerasimov announced: “We are planning an expansion of the communication lines of our military central command. We are entering preliminary negotiations with the armed forces of Brazil, Vietnam, Cuba and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.”

     “We are going to conduct a series of joint naval and air force exercises, as well as joint drills of our ground troops and air assault troops,” the military official added….

     Top Norad general: North Korea has a nuclear-capable missile that can hit the US

     ….Adm. Bill Gortney told reporters that, according to the Pentagon’s assessment, North Korea now has the capability to place miniaturized nuclear warheads on its latest KN-08 intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).

     Pyongyang has “the ability to put a nuclear weapon on a KN-08 and shoot it at the homeland,” Gortney said.

     This union of highly advanced military capabilities places an additional strain on US missile defense. The KN-08 is a road-mobile ICBM, meaning Pyongyang can move the launch system throughout the country…..
     (wwwDOT)businessinsider.com/us-general-north-korea-has-nuclear-capable-missile-that-can-hit-us-2015-4

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     • Gail Combs says:

       May 5, 2015 at 12:25 pm

       http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/13396131-large.jpeg

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6. Robertv says:

   May 5, 2015 at 7:14 am

   But No Public School Teacher is allowed to talk about it so how should he know?

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7. darrylb says:

   May 5, 2015 at 3:00 pm

   Well, some teachers are allowed to talk freely about any science that is considered questionable.

   I am a retired chem/physics AP teacher and was also department chair and a mentor to teachers locally.

   I am easily able to visit classrooms, sometimes of former colleagues.
   I am able to present facts, including
   what I see as faults in the models, (have to keep things in basic terms), some of which have been discussed somewhat here on this blog.

   Graphs , a little humor, and a few pics are always good.
   But I try not to cherry pick or present something I know to be biased.
   I somethings use articles from news papers to show how biased and incomplete they are.

   Also, I want, many times over, to give credit to our host for the visuals he presents.

   I have at times run in conflict with some influence from college or university instructors.
   It is usually quite amazing, and I can’t emphasize this enough, how little they really know or understand.

   That is, except for a few that would not bother to come to a high school in any event.

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