After a short spike around the year 2000, temperatures in southwest Greenland have been plummeting since 2003, are the coldest this year since 1993, and are averaging no warmer now than they were in the 19th century.
Climate experts insist that Greenland is melting down, because their money, reputations and scam now depends entirely on continuing to lie about the climate.
Cue Martin in 3…2…
AMO Check?
AMO!
Steven, you really have to post links to where you got the data, how you made the graph, etc, so we can fact check your work. Without traceability your graphs are not credible.
[SG : Do you actually believe the data is incorrect Martin?]
So what did Michael Mann say when you demanded the same regarding his hockey stick?
So, Martin again produces absolutely zero input or reasoning from data whatsoever.
You truly are an EMPTY shell, aren’t you little Gore bot.
CO2 Check?
“Ummm, that would be affirmative, Control.”
“Well, now, let’s see, we have fuel and we have oxidant. What we seem to be missing is spark!“
For example, you can’t claim there has been no net warming in southwest Greenland using that graph. It doesn’t show the trend line, which is the only reasonable way to interpret your use of the term “net warming.” Apparently you mean that the current anomaly is below the 0 point, but that is a silly way to interpret “net warming.”
[SG : Not very intelligent to draw a linear trend through an obviously cyclical function. That sort of behavior is the root of climate scams. Current temperatures are the same as the 19th century and plummeting]
It is a great way to determine the current temp compared to at previous times in history.
And if there was no problem then, what reason is there to suppose there is a problem now ( scaremongering notwithstanding)?
“Greenland”.
Little Ice Age stopped corn cultivation
The Greenland climate was a bit warmer than it is today, and the southernmost tip of the great island was luscious and green and no doubt tempted Eric the Red and his followers. This encouraged them to cultivate some of the seed corn they brought with them from Iceland.
http://sciencenordic.com/vikings-grew-barley-greenland
Your obsession over a cold Greenland is disturbing, as is your mancrush on Tony.
Respectfully Martin,
Why don’t you create your own graph from the existing data that refutes the central theme of Steven’s point and share it with us?
He’s busy.
https://coloradowellington.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/troll-wrong-graph.jpg
You could address this recurring criticism by providing the terms of a Fourier series that fit the data. This would emphasize the error in drawing a linear trend line through cyclical data. Perhaps some don’t realize that by selecting certain short term start and end points in a long term cyclical function you can “show” any trend that fits your agenda.
That sent shivers up my spine. I passed my advanced math class @ college but had
NO clue what Fourier and Laplace were talking about!!!!
I took a class in linear systems analysis for my electrical engineering degree and had to use them in other classes.
You may get shivers up your spine just hearing about them, but you can’t imagine the horror of someone that that actually had to use them.
I do not think it is possible to do a “Fourier For Dummies” book — but this is the closest I have found. Good book!
http://www.amazon.com/Who-Fourier-Mathematical-Transnational-College/dp/0964350408/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447431773&sr=8-2&keywords=who+was+fourier
Thanks Jason, for picking out Hubby’s Christmas Present for me!
Don’t forget Goertzel! https://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse466/12au/calendar/Goertzel-EETimes.pdf
I think it is instructive to look at the graph and pick a starting point.
Pick a point, say the post 1980 minima (1979 for some reason is the AGW gold standard for the arctic). Obviously there is warming going on.
Choose 1935, obviously a cooling trend.
I’d argue that given the nature of the data, the graph above in its entirety is meaningless. Except for the fact that it demonstrates the fallacy of basing the AGW scam on carefully selected starting point years. Which is the point.
Now give me 10,000 years of accurate climate data and I think you might be able to detect a trend that is something other than background noise and natural variation.
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/gisp-last-10000-new.png
https://media2.stickersmalin.com/produit/100/stickers-devil-smile-R1-143760-2.png
Nuff said!
I should get paid for being your straight man.
NAH,
Martin the Troll already has that job. Sorry
I just love playing CAGW enthusiast some days….
LOOK AT THE GRAPH! See! Greenland was cooling for the last 6,000 years, and now, NOW it is heating up and melting! Look at the HUGE spike in temperature right there in modern times! It’s so hot the spike is colored RED! It’s RED! Isn’t it OBVIOUS that CO2 is melting Greenland before our very eyes?!
Wow, I better hurry up and go meet my ambiguously gendered significant others at the social justice rally.
🙂
https://media2.stickersmalin.com/produit/100/stickers-devil-smile-R1-143760-2.png
snicker
One micro-aggression after another. Onebillion and Calley, you must perform public self-criticism and denounce self and each other. It is racist to suggest anyone should have any sex and gender at all. You have created a hostile working environment for trolls who don’t have any and don’t want any.
You Combs, the same, for snickering repeatedly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM-HJT8_esM
100 yrs ago: Anomaly was -1 Degree C; Now: Anomaly is -1 Degree C. No net warming! This is very easy to understand.
Lost in all this back and forth and temp graphing ad nauseum is the physics; the fact is CO2 is doing all it can to warm the earth. since it’s ONLY effect is to absorb a couple of radiation band-widths and its concentration is already more than enough to do that, adding more CO2 will have no effect on the environment, except to accelerate vegetation growth. Let’s talk about the REAL greenhouse gas – water vapor which is + 90% of the effect and is of course left out of all the predictive models. What are we going to do about that menace?
Never mind that no where in the record is there an instance where CO2 has pushed warming to the positive feed back “tipping point” the alarmist now claim it will despite the fact that CO2 levels well above the current one have existed several times in the past.
Jeffrey, here is a related physics question:
In the hypothetical case below, what would be the effect of increasing opacity on the aridity of Martin Smith’s brain? How much worse would the drought get?
https://coloradowellington.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/man-with-umbrellas.gif
That is easy to answer; More than a little, less than a lot.
MS is likely paid a very high sum by the Team to go around trying to bring sites such as this down obfuscate ect. Im sure there are quite a few who are currently being recruited to do this. It won’t work and the next attempts will likely be illegal such as DOS attacks ect
All our resident Troll has done is cause a major increase in site traffic.
Both George Monbiot of the Guardian and Aaron Huertas, press officer of the Union of Concerned
DogsScientists were advertising on their blogs at one point for trolls to whom they could send emails in order that they could be directed to and disrupt blogs that didn’t support “The Cause”.Then there was Gavin Schmidt’s appeal on (un)skepticalscience recruiting for his rapid response “Crusher Crew” for exactly the same purpose.
All of the above posted instructions as to how to disrupt blogs, which bore an uncanny resemblance to the tactics employed by Marty, ie don’t worry about accuracy, accuse the poster of lying and drive any sensible posts off the bottom of the page by spamming.
I can see no reason why these practices should have been discontinued, especially by Huertas, who ran various sockpuppets and was a major internet pest.
Given the Paris-ite Circus scheduled in a couple of weeks expect to see a ramp up.
To bad the idiots never figure out it is THEIR FREEDOM and THEIR WEALTH on the line as well as ours.
Once the cause is ‘won’ then the purges begin and on that nasty note:
Look at the countries that have disarmed their citizens: Turkey – 1911, Soviet Union – 1929, Germany – 1938, China – 1935, Guatemala – 1964, Uganda – 1970.
Now look at Switzerland — issues a gun to every household, teaches them to shoot — lowest gun-related crime rate in the civilized world. So crime stats are NOT the real reason leaders want to disarmed their citizens.
Then look at the other stats:
DEMOCIDE: Death by Government, murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century
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1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey’s Genocidal Purges
61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
38,000,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
1,585,000 Murdered: Poland’s Ethnic Cleansing
1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
1,072,000 Murdered: Tito’s Slaughterhouse
1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
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The 20th century total of citizens killed by their own government = 262,000,000 people “… tortured or beaten to death, hung, shot, and buried alive, burned or starved to death, stabbed or chopped into pieces, and murdered in all the other ways creative and imaginative human beings can devise, I have never been so happy to conclude a project. I have not found it easy to read time and time again about the horrors innocent people have been forced to suffer. What has kept me at this was the belief, as preliminary research seemed to suggest, that there was a positive solution to all this killing and a clear course of political action and policy to end it. And the results verify this. The problem is Power. The solution is democracy. The course of action is to foster freedom.” – Dr R.J. Rummel
And people want to know why we want to keep our guns!
This is the real face of the Econut Utopia — The Khmer Rouge Years
The Fall of the Khmer Rouge
That was just one country. What happens when it is the entire world?
I am afraid we may find that out very soon.
All socialist regimes. Let’s count up the infanticide/elder genocide the US is embarking on in our totally transformed Marxist Hussein world. I’ll be we will be up therewith the best of them within this decade.
willys,
I just listed a few that Dr. R.J. Rummel has researched. It is well worth the few minutes to read his intro to his book: DEATH BY GOVERNMENT
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