Ten Years Into The Gavin Schmidt Permanent Lake Powell Drought

Ten tears ago, NASA’s top climate guru, Gavin Schmidt announced the Lake Powell permanent drought.

And like all good snake oil salesmen, Gavin offered a cure which required billions or trillions of dollars.

Gavin’s Climate Book

Despite draining the lake to fill Lake Mead, Lake Powell has more water than it did ten years ago when Gavin wrote the book.

Lake Powell Water Database

It is raining every day in Arizona, and people are drowning.

10-Day Precipitation Outlook for the Conterminous U.S.

Government climate scientists are wrong like clockwork. Whatever they say, you can usually safely assume the exact opposite is true.

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34 Responses to Ten Years Into The Gavin Schmidt Permanent Lake Powell Drought

  1. Andy DC says:

    97% of climate scientists agree that both rain and no rain are clear indicators of climate change.

    • arn says:

      97% of climate scientists agree that a region where climate change is not happenning is proof for climate change
      as climate was and is always changing.
      A lack of climate change therefore can only be the result of climate change.

    • Justa Joe says:

      I was about to post the exact same idea. “Flash flooding is indicative of drought,” per you average warmist.

  2. Psalmon says:

    Someone took this pic of Glen Canyon Dam and Lake Powell on June 24 this year…the water was almost up to the Spillways level (in the background, the cut, level @ ~3,640). For reference full capacity is at 3700 feet and the roadway top of dam is at 3715, so at 710 feet high, 630 feet of the dam is under water in this picture.

  3. Griff says:

    Well lets see – regular rainfall in multiple US states is low for extended periods of time until severe storms bring the average up, temporarily.

    That’s not and end to drought -that’d be when a state returns to comparable annual average rainfall and rainfall patterns seen in recent history.

    So we see in Alabama:
    http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2017/06/for_first_time_in_more_than_a.html

    and previously in California.

    Meanwhile no mention of this:
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/flash-drought-hits-northern-plains-canada-170713093427991.html

    • Gator69 says:

      Al Jazeera?! LOL

      Ms Griff, weather does not bring average rainfall.

      Why do you hate poor brown people?

      • arn says:

        Well !Al Jazeera wrote the “co2 tax for jewish global domination” tweet Tony posted here a few weeks ago.

        No i wonder why Griff was ignoring that tweet(which implies very hard that co2 is a hoax)
        while at the same time using Al Jazeera as reliable to prove climate change.

        The problem with Griffs cherry picking is not that she missed the point/part(as Tony claimed)
        She ignored this on purpose
        and tried to turn attention away as she knows
        the day she starts to use just 10% of her critical thinking
        skills towards her own religion her entire world view will implode.

        One must imagine that in a article a ‘super compentent’ guy is exposed and proven to be an incompetent liar,
        and all she does is posting some random stuff about droughts((on such a huge planet you’ll find always regions
        which are currently suffering from too much/too little water))
        instead of facing the fact that once again her gods had been exposed as fallen angels.

        A person with integrity and without bias
        may have posted what Griff has posted here(there is nothing wrong with personal opinions and critic) but at the same time this person would also have posted something about the enourmous failure of Gavin Schmidts prediction.
        Especially when those failed predictions are the rule and the predictors pretend to have the one and only true opinion(though always failing)

        Seems Griff can pull a 1000 arguements out of her butt to defend her world view but she was not able to admitt once
        that these guys are wrong and she for sure is not even able to even think that these guys are lying on purpose(which is the only logical conclusion when ‘experts’ fail so many time
        with their predictions).

        And that’s proove that climate science is a religion and not science as itd followers rather ignore facts
        and keep believing the failed predictions of their priests,
        who promised for thousands of years that their Messiah(global warming)
        will appear anyday soon while in fact that day of arrival is postponed day after day after day.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Well, let’s see …

      It doesn’t matter there is no permanent drought, and it rains and snows where Gavin Schmidt said it would not. Somewhere on earth there is a drought caused by CO2. Therefore, he was right, according to Ms Griff.

      Round and round she goes …

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        … and round and round …

        • RAH says:

          Ha! At Yellowstone at the primitive toilet facilities found at the high traffic and picnic areas are for either sex. Thus the men stand in lines they’re not used to. Had to go at the geyser basin on the shore of the west thumb of Yellowstone lake. There were two primitive facilities next to each other. I picked the one with the line having the fewest females.

        • RAH says:

          When do the not chat? Except when they’re mad at a man that is.

      • gator69 says:

        No wonder she hates poor brown people!

    • pmc47025 says:

      When observed data doesn’t support a failed hypothesis, invent new and scary meaningless terms: “Land-O-Cane”, “Tornadic Activity”, “Drought Flood”, and “Flash Drought”. What a load of crap.

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        It’s time we counter with meaningful terms for the approach.

        I propose “Flash Idiocy” and “Peak Idiocy”.

      • pmc47025 says:

        It looks like NOAA defined “Flash Drought” around 2012 to describe unexpected (?) 2012 U.S. drought conditions in an attempt to possibly predict future Flash Droughts.

        Type 1 Flash Droughts have a decreasing trend.
        Type 2 Flash Drought trend is flat.

        My “Griff load of crap” comment stands.

        http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outreach/proceedings/cdw39_proceedings/Day_2/Session_4_Cont/Mo.pdf

      • DD More says:

        Your Drought / Flood reminds me of this study ranking US cities – http://stories.weather.com/disruptionindex – for Climate Disruption Index. Both Mann and Hayhoe have speaking parts.

        Part of the listing.

        25. Newark, New Jersey
        23. Madison, Wisconsin
        22. Lincoln, Nebraska
        18. Milwaukee, Wisconsin
        13. Portland, Oregon
        10. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
        8. St. Paul, Minnesota
        ** 5. Kansas City, Missouri
        2. Minneapolis, Minnesota

        What do these cities have in common? They will all soon be affected by CO2 induced – extreme drought / precipitation

        ** Kansas City, Missouri gets both and extreme flooding too. Lucky them.

    • David A says:

      Griff, please demonstrate the global onctease in drought.

      BTW, the average is theean of extremes.

      Think Griff.

    • tonyheller says:

      Gavin was talking specifically about Lake Powell water levels in his book. Mysteriously, Griff seems to have missed that part of my blog post.

      • scott allen says:

        Griff would miss the semi truck headed straight towards him.
        I mean, if Griff’s primary news source is al jazeera , he has some issues that need professional help.

        • RAH says:

          People miss the obvious all the time. Yesterday on I-465 west on the north side of town during Indianapolis rush hour in a big truck I had my flashers on slowing down for a back up where traffic was stopped. A glance in my right mirror revealed a gray Honda Accord coming on the stopped traffic in the lane to the right at least 60 mph. I hit the brakes to stop short. The driver of the gray Honda averted an accident by dodging into my lane and almost losing it doing so. Missed the car in front by no more than 6″. It was one of those deals where time seems to slow down as perception and awareness goes into overdrive. If I hadn’t stopped short that driver would have had no place to go and there would have been a nasty accident and since I would have been beside it I may have well been involved in it. I really need to quit procrastinating and mount the dash cam I got for Christmas so I can show you folks some of more interesting crap that I see happen on the road.

    • Andy DC says:

      Maybe 5% of the US is having a significant drought? That is no doubt well below the average drought coverage for any given summer.

      In the 1930’s, up to 80% of the US was in a severe drought. In the 1950’s 50%.
      I love when in a debate when the other side proves your point, that there is absolutely nothing unusual going on with the climate, except an excess of beneficial weather.

      • Jason Calley says:

        Someone please correct me if I am mistaken… I believe that the beginning of “drought” is when rainfall is in the lower 10 percentile for whatever the area normally has. Likewise, “flood” is when rain falls in the top 90 percentile. Under those guidelines, one can expect that most years, even if rain is absolutely normal, there will be roughly 10% of any large area showing some level of drought and 10% showing some level of excessive rainfall. Neither drought nor excess rain is defined by absolute levels, but rather are set in relation to what is the long term average. If your area is a rainforest, with 150 inches per year rain, you might show drought with 130 inches per year.

        • cdquarles says:

          Exactly correct. Where I am the average is 55 inches of rain a year. About two thirds of the years, the actual amount will be between 50 and 60 inches a year. About 95 years out of 100, we’ll see actual amounts between 45 and 65 inches. I don’t recall a year less than 40 nor one more than 70. Both are possible.

          We had a ‘drought’ here. We only got 40 inches one year and 45 the next. This year looks like it’ll get up to 60. The water year to date (ends Sept 30) is over 50 inches of rain, estimated.

    • AZ1971 says:

      Griff, how often does precipitation fall in line with weekly or even monthly averages? Why would you postulate that a flash drought (by definition, short-term) has any relevance on long-term precipitation trends? And using what reference data can you demonstrate that Alabama, California, or the northern Plains states has anything to do with the Colorado River watershed?

      Pardon me for asking, ‘WTF?’

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        Ms Griff will need therapy if The One We’ve Been Waiting For® looks down at her that way for more than 3 seconds.

    • Justa Joe says:

      There never were any droughts or floods back in the day. Humanity was guaranteed ideal weather so long as they didn’t emit any carbon.

  4. LINER011 says:

    We could have polar bears at Lake Powell and some would still claim Global Warming. This has nothing to do with actual observations.

  5. gregole says:

    Yes, here in Arizona we are into the monsoon season; it’s cooled off and the humidity and rains are back. Just another typical year. That was horrible what happened up in Payson. Mother nature can be cruel.

    And Lake Powell levels bust Gavin’s silly prediction.

    And Griff; have you been clicking the “donate” button on the upper left of your screen? You need to. You’re having too much fun here. Pay up.

    <"Tire tracks all across your back, I can see you've had your fun.."
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqtsd

  6. Global average water vapor (TPW) is increasing at about 1.5% per decade. It has increased about 8% since 1960. WV is a ghg and its increase is countering the average global temperature decline which would otherwise be occurring because of declining net effect of ocean cycles and a declining proxy which is the time-integral of SSN anomalies. More at http://globalclimatedrivers2.blogspot.com which explains why CO2 has no significant effect on climate and identifies three factors in an equation which matches measured average global temperature 98% 1895-2016.

    • Kris J says:

      With respect to your chart, above, I was just reading today in one of my engineering magazines about a new CO2-capture technology which is touted to save us from the Apocalypse. It strips CO2 directly from ambient air and pumps it to a greenhouse (or other host). http://www.climeworks.com Of course that’s not removing CO2, just transferring it from one container to another… and the filters require 24/7 blowers, and the process requires heat from a nearby power plant, etc etc

      You get the idea…

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