Tough Times For Democratic Party Prophets

Arctic sea ice volume is highest in the last eleven years and fifth highest in the last fifteen years.

The thirty day melt rate is the second lowest on record, down 50% from ten years ago. It would take more than one year of continuous summer to melt all the ice at the current rate.

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Tough times for the official religion of the Democrats and their prophets.

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37 Responses to Tough Times For Democratic Party Prophets

  1. TimA says:

    Isn’t this Griff’s shining season in the warmer months? “Here’s Pat” must have gone on a pilgrimage to some liberal mecca like Montreal to receive absolution for living in Trump’s America…..

    • Griff says:

      I have indeed been on holiday.

      The ice extent is showing interesting signs of break up, I find, on my return…

      • Spiritus Mundi says:

        Interesting signs of break up, also know as summer……

        • sunsettommy says:

          As usual Griff doesn’t pay attention:

          “Arctic sea ice volume is highest in the last eleven years and fifth highest in the last fifteen years.”

          To which you have yet to address in the thread.


          • Griff says:

            By the DMI measure.

            which considering the extent is at second lowest for this time of year is – how can we put it? – surprising

          • RAH says:

            Only “surprising” to a simpleton which cannot understand that older, thicker, and more concentrated ice is much more durable at the core than 1 year old ice on the periphery.

          • sunsettommy says:


            “Arctic sea ice volume is highest in the last eleven years and fifth highest in the last fifteen years.”

            To which you have yet to address in the thread.

      • AndyG55 says:

        “showing interesting signs of break up,”

        Griff’s mind is well passed that stage. !!

      • Gator says:

        Death takes a holiday!

  2. frederik wisse says:

    Since when is a democratic a good party prophet ? Btw where is the tough time party ?

  3. Psalmon says:

    Greenland melt is on in the South and pushing melt above normal…meanwhile overall Greenland continues to accumulate net ice mass which for the year is almost 50Gt above normal.

    How long before we see the stories about Greenland melt that ignore the rest? We should have a pool.

  4. Andy says:

    I don’t think early June is a good data point to judge the volume ice loss over the summer, it is too early. The main melt is from now up to August.

    Using the DMI volume data

    I did two quick and dirty graphs to show initial ice volume at June 1st from 2003 to 2017 ( top) and also total ice volume reduction from June 1st to August 1st (bottom)

    I don’t see much of a correlation for it to be able to give a good estimate for the volume at the end of the melt season.

    As I mentioned in another blog post the increased thickness of ice on the Siberian side may well reduce the volume loss this year as that side in the past has shown the most loss when weather and conditions are right

    Will be interesting to watch how it does, but predictions for the melt season using the current amount of volume or extent up to now, does not normally follow.


  5. Andy says:

    Note also that extent is low now, but I still would not use that as a guide to what the extent will be at the summer minimum due to same reasons.


  6. misanthropicMarc says:

    WSJ is claiming the “science is settled” and the climate scam has run it’s course! Yay truth!

    • Johansen says:

      Thanks for linking that, Misanthropic! My WSJ now rots on the driveway b/c they are typically so anti-MAGA I can’t stand reading it.

      Here’s a pull-quote:
      “A good indicator of why climate change as an issue is over can be found early in the text of the Paris Agreement. The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’ ” Another is Sarah Myhre’s address at the most recent meeting of the American Geophysical Union, in which she proclaimed that climate change cannot fully be addressed without also grappling with the misogyny and social injustice that have perpetuated the problem for decades.

      • Johansen says:

        Another good tidbit: “A case in point is climate campaigners’ push for clean energy, whereas they write off nuclear power because it doesn’t fit their green utopian vision. A new study of climate-related philanthropy by Matthew Nisbet found that of the $556.7 million green-leaning foundations spent from 2011-15, “not a single grant supported work on promoting or reducing the cost of nuclear energy.”
        Geez, can’t we either store nuclear waste in that mountain we spent a $buzillion on, or use it as fuel in breeder reactors? Good grief, we have the technology to use it as fuel…

  7. Griff says:

    And of course the extent continuing at second lowest in the satellite record means nothing at all, nor the early melt out in the Bering, Barents, etc…

    We’ll see: extent massively lower than both 2007/2012 at this stage. June is historically when it all kicks off…

    • sunsettommy says:

      Bering and Berents areas normally melt out every year, thus not a big deal.

      Meanwhile you and Andy have yet to show why low sea ice levels is a concern anyway.

    • AndyG55 says:

      “extent massively lower than both 2007/2012 at this stage”

      Extent MASSIVELY HIGHER than 90% of the Holocene, griff

      Come on , I DARE you to admit the truth in a post.

      Or remain, as always, a CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER.

    • Gator says:

      And of course the extent continuing at second lowest in the satellite record means nothing at all…

      Exactly right!

    • Disillusioned says:

      “extent massively lower than both 2007/2012 at this stage.…”

      Wow! What about concentration and volume? Care to share what does your clouded crystal ball see?

      • Griff says:

        concentration is not so hot…

        and the volume data ? Look at it compared to 1979

        • RAH says:

          1979? You mean the year that winter and summer that ice extent and volume was the highest ever recorded in the satellite era and probably the highest since the LIA which ended about 1850?

        • AndyG55 says:

          LOL, griff wants to compare to the COLDEST years since 1900 in the Arctic.

          Late 1970’s was very much up there with the EXTREME HIGHS of the LIA.

          Why do you think that is how the ARctic should be, griff???

          Why do you HATE the people trying to live up there so , so much !!

          You are an IDIOT, griff !!

          And a manic Climate Change Denier.

        • AndyG55 says:

          WOW, earlier than I thought

          DMI sea ice volume has just leapfrogged over both 2006 and 2007

          There is now more sea ice than EVERY year back to and including 2006. !

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