Greenland Propaganda Meltdown

Seth Borenstein has taken Greenland propaganda to an impressive new level.

Greenland’s glaciers are melting like never before, especially Helheim – Los Angeles Times

Looking at his claims individually.

This is where Earth’s refrigerator door is left open, where glaciers dwindle and seas begin to rise.

Nonsense. Sea level has been rising for 20,000 years – most of the time much faster than at present. There is much less ice on Earth than there was 20,000 years ago – when New York and Chicago were under more than a mile of ice.

File:Post-Glacial Sea Level.png – Wikimedia Commons

By season’s end, about 440 billion tons of ice — maybe more — will have melted or calved off Greenland’s giant ice sheet, experts estimate.The average for this time of year is less than 18 billion tons.

Greenland’s surface has gained 160 billion tons of new ice this year, after gains of 500 and 540 billion tons during the last two years.  Average loss since the spring peak is 225 billion tons (plus calving loss) – not 18 billion tons.

2017      2018      2019

In one of the closest towns, Kulusuk, the morning temperature reached 52 degrees Fahrenheit — warm enough for shirtsleeves.

Meaningless out of context propaganda. The average summer maximum temperature there is 51 degrees. They have had 4,675 days over 52F since 1898. Highest temperature recorded there was 78 degrees on first seen on June 18, 1916. Summer daily maximum temperatures have been trending downwards at 2.4 degrees per century since the late 19th century.

Summer maximum temperatures at Tasiilaq are about the same as they were prior to the cold period from 1960-2000.

Average temperatures this summer have been about the same as summer 1916, but 1916 had a more warm days. This year only had one.

The Helheim Glacier has lost about three square miles of ice since 2012, while the Petermann Glacier has gained more than ten times that much.

Glaciers here do shrink in the summer and grow in the winter, but nothing like this year.

Incorrect. The Petermann Glacier is more than 100 feet thick at its terminus. There is no way ice that thick can retreat in summer, and has been growing steadily for the past seven years.

Photos near the terminus of the Petermann glacier

Greenland glaciers are melting at a very slow rate, if at all. Compare to 80 years ago when they were “facing catastrophic collapse.

17 Dec 1939, Page 15 – Harrisburg Sunday Courier

By 1947, the Arctic had warmed 10 degrees, and scientists were predicting catastrophic sea level rise, unless they got money to start an international agency.

31 May 1947 – ARCTIC PHENOMENON – Trove

Summit Station, a research camp nearly 2 miles high and far north, warmed to above freezing twice this year for a record total of 16.5 hours. Before this year, that station was above zero for only 6.5 hours in 2012, once in 1889 and also in the Middle Ages.

Incorrect. Summit station never got above freezing this summer.

(24) DMI on Twitter: “🌡️Var der rekordvarmt på indlandsisen i fredags? Nej!

According to NOAA, Summit camp was above freezing on six days in 2012.

The one thing with Seth Borenstein got right in this article is that Greenland was warm during the Middle Ages, when CO2 levels were very low.

TimesMachine: January 22, 1934 – NYTimes.com

Seth is keeping up the long tradition of Greenland fake news. According to the Guardian, next year is the tipping point and sea level will rise 23 feet.

Greenland ice sheet faces ‘tipping point in 10 years’ | Environment | The Guardian

So, the same story as 1952.

Dr. William S. Carlson, an Arctic expert, said to-night that the Polar icecaps were melting at anastonishingg and unexplained rate and were threatening to swamp seaports by raising the ocean levels.

February 16, 1952

18 Feb 1952 – POLAR ICE THAW INCREASING

What I find disturbing is not that Seth Borenstein is spreading misinformation – that is what journalists do for a living. What troubles me is that a small handful of scientists like Josh Willis, Tom Mote and Jason Box allow themselves to be used in misleading propaganda articles like this, over and over again.

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44 Responses to Greenland Propaganda Meltdown

  1. Frank Heuijmans says:

    Hi Tony,

    Will hockey-stick Mike’s trick go to pen now that he has lost his case?
    It is a win for Tim Ball though, you think? What will happen next?

    Thanks for your work, it is brave and outstanding!

    Regards,
    Frank

    • neal s says:

      According to …
      https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-news-dr-tim-ball-defeats-michael-manns-climate-lawsuit/

      Mann’s legal team has up to 30 days to file an appeal. Considering the stakes, I think it quite likely they would do so. I also consider it extremely unlikely that any such appeal would be granted. The reason the court ruled against Mann was because he failed to produce his code and R2 regression numbers despite having earlier agreed to do so. (What honest scientist refuses to share their code and numbers?)

      If at the end of 30 days, no appeal has been filed, or if any such appeal is denied, then we can truly consider this case against Ball to be closed. That might be a good time to ask Penn State if they really need one more thing to humiliate them or if it might make sense to cut Mann loose and distance themselves from him and his provably bad ‘science’.

      The continual failure to produce something which Mann had already agreed to produce is surely damning evidence of bad faith. Barring evidence of any obvious errors in the BC Supreme Court ruling it is most likely that any court examining any appeal will tell Mann to stuff it.

      This is the second of three lawsuits against Ball. Ball won in February 2018 against Andrew Weaver.

  2. Gator says:

    Someone should let Seth Baby know, that if he is trying to keep ice in the fridge, he is doing it wrong.

    • DCA says:

      “Greenlands glaciers are melting. It’s as if Earth’s refrigerator door were left open.”

      Exactly correct, Gator. Many people think that the melting of glaciers proves that the climate is broken. That is no more the case than moving an ice cube from the freezer (analogous to Ice Age) into the refrigerator (analogous to Inter-Glacial). The fact that it is melting doesn’t mean that your refrigerator is broken – or “the door was left open.” It means that the ice is experiencing conditions different from that which created it.

  3. Scissor says:

    By the looks of it, Boringstain is quite familiar with open refrigerators.

  4. griff says:

    2017 and 2018 were exception years in recent decades… increased precipitation (itself a symptom of climate change) added more snow…

    But 2019 is there back with (record) levels of loss.

    and as you have REPEATEDLY been told the SMB chart does not include the glacial calving loss, which even in 2017/18 meant no net gain in mass.

    The rest of your screed is also nonsense.

    I wonder how you can keep up this pretence?

    • tonyheller says:

      Your BS is impressive today.

      • Stewart Pid says:

        Cold in Alberta this morning with Nordegg and Hinton at -2 &-1 C and Banff & Canmore at 1C. And loons like Griff want to cool these temps to fix GLO-BULL warming. The stupid it burns. Folks had to cover their sensitive plants last night to prevent frost damage and if the growing season gets any shorter nothing of economic value will grow. And the Grifftard thinks heat is the danger.

    • Andy says:

      Having jousted on here for the last 1o years with Steve / Tony, I can tell you Griff that this hogwash of an article is not worth defending.

      You have to pick your battles.

      Never defend stupidity. Enough examples on here from our resident two empty bottles to show that time and time again.

      Andy

      • Gator says:

        Griff’s hatred of poor brown people knows no bounds.

      • spike55 says:

        “Never defend stupidity. “

        Yet here you are, spending all your time defending your own stupidity.

        Stop doubling down.

        Never go full stupid, little-andy !!

      • spike55 says:

        “You have to pick your battles.”

        Yet you remain a TOTAL LOSER.

      • spike55 says:

        ” resident two empty bottles”

        griff, little-andy and phil. !

        Gees, little-andy can’t even count !!

        • Andy says:

          When you claim empty bottles make most noise and then Sprainbrain55 proves it in 3 senseless posts on the trot.

          Andy

          • Gator says:

            empty bottles make most noise

            And here you are again, making noise.

            I am so glad that I have a place to live rent free, too bad it is in your empty and echoing fat head. Who knew I could rent empty space so very easily? LOL

    • Martin Hughes says:

      Griff.

      Surely what makes glaciers calve is the amount of ice flowing downhill under the force of gravity. How much ice is pushing the glacier into the sea is due to the amount of snow that fell previously. The timescales for snow to turn to ice are over years and possibly decades. Increased calving is a response to events that occurred some time in the recent past not a response to a few warm days.

      That’s my admittedly bare understanding of how glaciers do what they do. Im assuming that your understanding differs from mine. Could you perhaps explain what you see as the causal mechanism? Perhaps you can tell me a bit about glaciers.

    • Stewart Pid says:

      The Grifftard stikes again …. Griffy are you intelligent enough (tongue in cheek question) to notice that “increased precipitation (itself a symptom of climate change)” is a bit of propaganda nonsense since the snakes then turn around and rant drought drought drought!!!
      Anyone with half a brain saw through the more rain, less rain, no more snow, increased snow, more hurricanes, fewer hurricanes etc etc etc that the alarmists claim to be climate change.

      THE ARCTIC TEMPS ARE FALLING GRIFF ….. STOP WASTING TIME TELLING LIES.

    • paul courtney says:

      Well, there’s the answer. I’ve been wondering what griff wonders about. Turns out he wonders about our host. Such exquisite concern.
      I predict Mr. Heller will maintain “this pretence” until an observation of physical fact confirms the melting is unusual. If Greenland was melting like you and Seth Borenstein say, you could not hide that from a sea level gauge. If on the other hand this is a normal summer melt, Mr. Heller observes no acceleration of sea rise. No need to wonder at all, just keep watching.

    • Steve case says:

      Hi Griff

      You are exactly right, glacial calving loss is to “bucket” what the Surface Mass Balance is to “Drop” and ice gain or loss due calving is a function of how much snow fell years, decades, centuries or melania ago. It has everything to do with snow in years past and nothing to do with the current temperature.

      Have a great day (-:
      Steve

    • spike55 says:

      “does not include the glacial calving loss,”

      No data hey griffool.!

      Just mindless yapping as usual.

      You cannot counter one thing TH said with actual EVIDENCE, can you.

      So pathetic. !

  5. Andy says:

    He’s obviously not a scientist, more a narrator, with a good story to tell. It was well written but falls apart unless you just want to believe.

    Even the first sentence is so non scientific it boggles the mind

    “This is where Earth’s refrigerator door is left open,”

    what actually does that mean apart from grasping at some sort of analogy to start off your yarn on the right foot?

    More rubbish

    “Summer this year is hitting Greenland hard with record-shattering heat and extreme melt.”

    Apart from less than 10 years ago when there was an incedible melt season in 2011-2912, before the winters just piled that ice all back on again.

    Another claim, where he has not grasped what the scientist was saying, or just wanted to sex it up.

    “Holland, like NASA’s Willis, suspects that warm, salty water that comes in part from the Gulf Stream in North America is playing a bigger role than previously thought in melting Greenland’s ice.”

    Not sure how salty water can melt through rock ! I think they said Greenland’s glaciers moving into the sea, not the whole of Greenland …. lol.

    The summary of how non scientific this piece was is a paragraph not even talking about the science.

    “As pilot Martin Norregaard tries to land his helicopter on the broken-up part of what used to be glacier — a mush called a melange — he looks for ice specked with dirt, a sign that it’s firm enough for the chopper to set down on. Pure white ice could conceal a deep crevasse that leads to a cold and deadly plunge.”

    A cold and deadly plunge. Talk about sexing everything up….

    Let’s hope for safety of Martin it all melts and he can use a seaplane in 2025 …. no more worries from crevasses.

    :)

    Utter joke? Who is this guy? Someone making money out of his writing rather than thinking.

    Andy

    • John Donohue says:

      Do you consider statistical exposure of lies to be “not science?” Can you refute the Tasiilaq analysis above?

      • John Donohue says:

        [ i won’t type “guess not” yet. I am patient ]

        • Andy says:

          Can you explain what you mean by “statistical exposure of to lies” so I don’t get what you are trying to say wrongly? You sound like him currently with his over egged keyboard.

          Andy

  6. John Donohue says:

    Speculation: how many times can you repeatedly expose spin by warmers? Maybe Tony has done it so many times, he just likes to tell stories to go with it.

  7. Bob Hoye says:

    Hi Tony
    Your data-delving is remarkable in placing bad research and the fear game in perspective.
    Both with numbers and contemporary newspaper stories.
    However, a while ago you published the chart of the sea level rise out of the last glacial advance.
    The one above, but with an arrow at around 8,000 years ago.
    Showing that the start of agriculture “caused” the rapid advance of the tides to end.
    Could you print it again, so that I can grab it?
    TKS

  8. Bob Hoye says:

    The mind’s eye can accomplish wonders. For example a headline from a Rome newspaper on October 25, 79 AD:
    “Pompey: Prayed to Wrong God”

  9. Nicholas McGinley says:

    If the melt is less than the amount which fell over the previous Winter, it stands to reason that what is melting is not ice, it is snow.
    And when snow (or ice) on an ice sheet melts, it does not in any way mean it is going to end up in the ocean. Typically, much of it will fall down into holes in the sheet, where it may freeze back onto the sheet from below.
    Why are we not getting reports on the rivers of water flowing into the sea?
    I do not recall hearing anything about them, or seeing any pictures.
    Water running into the ocean over the land is easy to measure.

  10. MrGrimnasty says:

    Seth Borenstein was given a free ride on BBC radio a few days back, as I mentioned before he repeated the Summit nonsense, even though it had long since been retracted. Of course his error/lie went unchallenged.

    All the best science shows Greenland as a whole is only as warm as c.1940, the peak of the last warm cycle.

    Griff’s usual level of stupidity displayed above – everything is a sign of climate change – hot cold wet dry. The theory has never actually successfully predicted anything, but every eventuality, even the polar opposite of the predicted, is proof!

    In the UK all news channels are currently flying reporters over obvious grassland/scrub/felled forest fires in Brazil and telling us virgin rain-forest is going up in flames. The fake-news is relentless. It’s at frenzy levels currently – almost as if a climate conference were upcoming where they want to further push us towards the destruction of capitalism and freedom as we know it.

    • Scissor says:

      The media is losing it along with customers and the crazier media gets the more people they drive away, hence, the powers that be must control the narrative in other ways, especially with regard to the internet.

  11. JCalvertN(UK) says:

    Borestein’s highlighting of the Helheim Glacier amounts to cherry-picking. The DMI mass-balance map clearly shows that the nett mass gain has occurred on the south-eastern side of Greenland. http://polarportal.dk/fileadmin/polarportal/surface/SMB_map_LA_acc_EN_20190825.png
    With the possible exception of the Helheim Glacier, glaciers along the SE side of Greenland seem to be in good health.

    Another thing, the position of the calving face of a marine-terminating has no impact on sea-level rise. That is related to the position of the grounding line and the overall thickness. I’m sure Borestein is aware of this, but he probably thinks ‘the masses’ are incapable of understanding such finer points (and in any case they would dilute the message).

  12. Norilsk says:

    What does he think sunk the Titanic?

  13. JCalvertN(UK) says:

    I’ve just spent about an hour analysing MODIS mosaics and have concluded that there has been ZERO retreat of the Helheim glacier’s calving line since 2005. The calving line today is no further back than it was in 2005. In fact it might be a few hundres yards further forward. (I would include an image but I keep getting blocked whenever I try this.)

  14. Art Persky says:

    We are dealing with a bunch of lying money grubbing demorat backed thiefs !!!!!

  15. Al Shelton says:

    Another thing that bugs me about “Warmists” and Greenland, is that I am quite sure that they look at a Mercator projection map of Greenland and it looks bigger than Africa.
    The actual area if Greenland is close to that of Saudi Arabia.
    Just look at a globe not a map.
    The total area of Greenland is 2,166,086 km2 (836,330 sq mi) (including other offshore minor islands), of which the Greenland ice sheet covers 1,755,637 km2 (677,855 sq mi) (81%)

    • John F. Hultquist says:

      Just look at a globe not a map.

      I have a globe (actually 3) but most folks do not.

      Try this: thetruesize.com

    • Robertv says:

      Shouldn’t the calculation be in Manhattans so the American millennials understand? 2,166,086 km2 (836,330 sq mi) /59.1 km2 (22.83 sq mi)

  16. Viktor says:

    Hi Tony. I was wondering where the graph over average daily maximum temperatures in Tasiilaq, Greenland can be found. Or did you produce it yourself using some dataset? If so where för I find the data? I tried searching for “climate data Tasiilaq Greenland” but I found nothing interesting.

    Best regards Viktor

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