Climate Attribution In Greece

Climate scientists have determined that the fires in Greece this summer were caused by the burning of fossil fuels, rather than the hundreds of arsonists who started the fires.

Climate change made summer wildfires in southeastern Europe 10 times more likely, scientists say – POLITICO

Forest fires – Greece: More than 300 arsonists arrested

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  1. arn says:

    Nothing unusual to start fires in Greece to geomodify the landscape and free up space for new buildings and resorts – therefore their soft on arson culture.
    Besides this cultural arson there is the fairly new political arson (about 200 arsonists were caught during the last great fires in Australia – the same kind of dogooder people who get paid to protest for anything pro -green,woke,EU etc) to show the peasants how dangerous AGW really is.

    But the most interesting thing is: How is it even possible to determine a 10 fold increase within such a short timeframe?
    The data simply is not there.
    And all reaiable longterm data we have from the USA show such a massive decrease in wildfires,
    that the Biden proxy regime had to hide the massive decrease of 80 %+ of wildfires during the last 100 years on governmental websites and only showed data that goes back to the 1980ies (actually 90%, but deliberate missmanagement and Newsomesque policies have lead to an increase during the last 2 decades)

    And how can a lousy (even if we pretend it is real) increase of 1.3 degrees increasethe number of wildfires by 1000% ?
    This would also mean that any region like greece , that is 1.3 degrees hotter
    gets 10* more of such historical wildfires – and that’s not true.

    And does this mean that a 1.3 degree decrease during the ice age scare reduced wildfires by 90%?

    I also highly doubt that there is a scientific way to prove that the fires were 22%
    more intense as result of(never forget to mention it to imply guilt) HUMAN CAUSED climate change.

    • Jack the Insider says:

      The masses of gum trees (eucalypts) in Greece is our gift from Aussie to them. Especially during summer.

      • arn says:

        And here I thought that Eucalyptus was as greece as owls and
        Sirtaki 🙂
        I’d guess that those trees have caused more wildfire problems
        than any warming can do.
        Maybe importing firecrackers from China would have been a better idea.

        But maybe your claim is wrong.
        Trees from Australia would grow upside down and look like a Baobab with a dropbear on top.

      • conrad ziefle says:

        We have a lot of those trees in California, and particularly, in my neighborhood park. I fear walking near them in even moderate wind. And wind and rain together is particularly bad, and they are huge, even a branch is the size of a normal tree.

        • Jack the Insider says:

          In Aus they are called widow makers as their branches can snap off and fall without warning, with or without fire burning.

      • Peter Carroll says:

        Eucalyptus trees are to be found all over Israel, courtesy of Australia. But even with mortar, rocket and deliberate arson attacks from Hamas, Israel hasn’t suffered “more intense” fires because of climate change.

      • Robertvd says:

        And don’t forget Portugal. Eucalyptus all over the place and pines.

        ”Fire, both natural and human-caused, has played a large role in shaping the ecology of Mediterranean ecoregions.[4] The hot, dry summers make much of the region prone to fires, and lightning-caused fires occur with some frequency. Many of the plants are pyrophytes, or fire-loving, adapted or even depending on fire for reproduction, recycling of nutrients, and the removal of dead or senescent vegetation. In both the Australian and Californian Mediterranean-climate eco-regions, native peoples used fire extensively to clear brush and trees, making way for the grasses and herbaceous vegetation that supported game animals and useful plants.[citation needed]”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub

        So even the Left wikipedia knows all of this.

  2. Trevor says:

    In a way, they are right about attributing the fires to the use of fossil fuels. Without using them, the arsonists would not be alive to set the fires. Or they would have to work 18 hours a day to keep from starving and have no time to play the criminal.

  3. Bob G says:

    wasn’t there a novel called Fahrenheit 451… named after what temperature wood, and paper has to reach before it spontaneously combusts? 451 is a lot higher than 80 or 90 or the 100° that we see on some summer days, (actually seldom of them in the upper Midwest over the past 30 years). Just a few weeks ago we saw a story on how at least 30 Canadian fires were started by arson. just wondering if Al Gore has an alibi for those days? lol

    • Francis Barnett says:

      “In addition to automotive fluids, another potential fuel in post-collision vehicle fires is grass, leaves, or other vegetation. Studies of hot surface ignition of dried vegetation have found that ignition depends on the type of vegetation, surface temperature, duration of contact, and ambient conditions such as temperature and wind speed.
      Ignition can occur at surface temperatures as low as 300 °C, if the vegetation is in contact with the surface for 10 minutes or longer. At surface temperatures of 400 °C, ignition can occur in 3 minutes, and at surface temperatures of 500 °C, ignition can occur in a few seconds”

      “Surface” refers to the surfaces of a vehicle exhaust system, particularly catalytic converters

      https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2017-01-1354/

    • In Fahrenheit 451 all books were burned because there was a chance somebody might find them offensive. Now, where have I heard that justification for suppressing information before?

  4. Bob G says:

    Apparently climate change has arrived. it’s getting cooler. https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/latest-stories-freezing-climate-crisis-hysteria

  5. Apparently, the methods and models of the World Weather Attribute are peer reviewed by other questionable researchers, but not actually validated against real world data.

    • Gamecock says:

      WWA’s work is adolescent. They would fail middle school science fair.

      They should stick to making model volcanoes.

    • Gerald Machnee says:

      They cannot prove it with science so they invented “Attribution”. They have done it with floods as well.
      The “peer reviewed” is a joke as well. Mann’s friends did “peer review”. It was properly dubbed “pal review”.
      By the way, I have asked people for a video of “climate change” starting a fire.
      Still waiting…………………………………

      • Bob G says:

        it’s called arson. lol. not a chance of that working in late summer 2025 in South Central Minnesota. everything is green and the crops could not be better. expect record crop yields in South Central Minnesota and Northern Iowa.

  6. conrad ziefle says:

    I’m watching that Amanda Knox series on Hulu. Sounds like experts are like the Italian Justice System: Blame everything on the defenseless scapegoat, in this case, climate change. Meanwhile, the Greek Government has arrested 300 potential murderers. Fire is a horrible way to die. Any arsonist found guilty should face the death penalty.

  7. conrad ziefle says:

    Why do they call them climate scientists? They are simply graduates from a multitude of climate schools, developed by universities to capitalize on the demand to be a social justice warrior which was created in the publicly run Marxist style propaganda camps known as the public school systems. I wonder what portion of their training involves rigorous science training and what portion centers on acceptance of political rhetoric as truth.

    • Continued adherence to the climate hoax is driven by the sunken investment fallacy. Who is going to admit that the UK MET office multi-million pound supercomputer with its million lines of code is simply GIGO? What politician can admit that the trillions squandered on windmills and solar panels was a total waste of taxpayers’ money? The plebs must believe the climate religion, otherwise they will demand accountability, which the powers that shouldn’t be are determined not to face.

      • arn says:

        I don’t think that it has anything to do with accountability.

        If we talk about accountability than Blair, the Bush family and some American Nobel Prize winners would have been skinned and lynched, be it the trillions of dollars or the millions of lifes that were lost.

        Accountability is not the problem.
        They now they’ll never be held accountabel.
        There’s no price they ever had to pay.(and that’s why they act so unhinged)

        The climate religion is their one and only chance to transfer power globally to the UN(and WHO).
        That’s the reason why those organisation were created for ,
        and that’s the hill they are willing to die on.

        (their willing expert-peasant is a different story).
        The average climate expert has barely any skill.
        If the scam is over life in poverty awaits them.
        And instead of being the saviours of humanity they’ll be called the parasites they actually are.
        Yet no accountability – just a set back to the level they belong but don’t want to live.

  8. Peter Carroll says:

    How does one measure the “intensity” of a bushfire, or bushfires? Particularly ones that happened over two hundred years ago, in “pre-industrial” times?
    This is on a par with the comment about Australia’s bushfires being “hotter”, because of climate change.
    There isn’t an increase in temperature, only in the stupidity of the authors of this BS.

    • conrad ziefle says:

      I suppose thermodynamically, if the fuel were a bit hotter to start with, then the total energy in the combustion would be a nano fraction more than if it were cold to start with. I say in theory, maybe, because I’m not about to try to calculate it, but it would be extremely tiny, if it were. Then there is the issue of how hot the weather was that day and on the day of other fires in the past, and I imagine that no one knows.

    • arn says:

      The bushfires should be less intense compared to 100 years ago.

      Less bushes as result of better forest management.
      Less bushes as result of less bushes as result of roads,buildings etc.
      Less bushes as result of global warming.
      More warming,more droughts,less rain = less vegetation = less burnable stuff.
      Deserts don’t burn that much.

      Yet for some reason
      such things absolutely don’t matter.
      Not even those that are part of their narrative.

      • conrad ziefle says:

        These people who write these stories remind me of psychopathic religious fanatics. Everything they see has religious meaning and they turn it into religion affirming care.

        • arn says:

          Well, they are.

          Michael Crichton realised those very religious traits within the climate cult about 25 years ago.
          He would have been the biggest heavyweight in fighting climate hysteriaand co2phobia in terms of popularity.
          Sadly he died way before time.

  9. Bob G says:

    Here’s a news story from 10 days ago – Arctic ice not melting as had been predicted and experts are not sure why. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/aug/20/slowdown-in-melting-of-arctic-sea-ice-surprises-scientists

  10. conrad ziefle says:

    If only they had data for before 1979, they might be able to figure out why. I feel so badly for them, knowing someone tore out the front pages of their data books.

  11. Bob G says:

    Here’s your fear porn for the day. Our American Indians, whose ancestors walked thousands of miles, crossing a land bridge, to populate North and South America, their descendants are now in eminent danger in NE Maine, from a one foot rise in sea level over the past 175 years. I’m going to take a wild guess that the solution is higher taxes, new taxes and phasing out cheaper fuels for more expensive fuels, not to mention also more regulation and less freedom. https://insideclimatenews.org/news/30082025/passamaquoddy-tribe-coastal-resiliency-maine/

  12. Bob G says:

    Here’s the St Cloud Minnesota August weather/climate crisis summary. (St. Cloud is in the southern half of the state). how many days above 110 – zero. how many days above 100 – zero. how many days above 90 – zero. how many days above 85 – 1. how many days above the long time average high temperature of 80 – 11. and yet with only 3 days of what you could call hot weather the average temperature for the month was 1° above the long-term average. bottom line, it’s got to be the night temps that brought the monthly average up. one possible reason for that is precipitation was above average so maybe we were slightly cloudier at night then on average.

  13. conrad ziefle says:

    The link to the comment above this one is false.

  14. Bob G says:

    Danish hydraulic engineer says no change in sea level over the past 30 years. https://nypost.com/2025/09/04/world-news/sea-level-rise-not-caused-by-climate-change-study-claims/

  15. conrad ziefle says:

    “those guys know something about flooding” Literally since the Stone Age, the “Frisian” people have been reclaiming land from the ocean.

  16. Bob G says:

    while we’re waiting for Tony to post… a little humor…. off subject…. the climate debate is settled so now time to move on to the great toaster debate. where does your toaster belong when you’re not using it? hmmm. is this a trick question I’m wondering? but apparently there’s a vocal minority that think it belongs in a cupboard… and lucky me my GF thinks that too. uffta. here’s a salty Irish guy’s opinion on that his name is Ciaran Bartlett. he’s pretty funny but he’s got a potty mouth so be prepared. https://youtube.com/shorts/x_NcV7c0mrY?feature=shared

  17. Bob G says:

    Today’s climate Fearporn by the associated press. another record corn crop spun into something “dicey”. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/09/climate-lies-from-the-associated-press.php

  18. Bob G says:

    Funny one Arn. I’m looking forward to Tony posting on the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk who was a truly talented young man who rose to super stardom in the past year, at least in the political realm. without Charlies efforts and organization, Trump may have lost in 2024.

    • conrad ziefle says:

      Charlie was mobilizing the youth to join the conservative movement, and was very successful at it. Any “news” stations that were vilifying him coming into this week need to be scrutinized to determine if they conspired to commit violence or to ignite violence. At this point, two attempts on Trump and the death of Charlie, it’s gone too far and something needs to be done.

      • Bob G says:

        the easiest thing that could be done is for the Democrats to quit being such jerks. But they can’t compete in the marketplace of ideas so instead they slander and smear and hoax like the Russia hoax and mentally off people hear that and don’t understand it’s hyperbole or complete smear and the next thing you know bullets are flying. look what they did to representative scalise… and Trump and Rand Paul who got beat up by the neighbor and now Charlie Kirk

    • arn says:

      The globalists have realised that they must kill them before they grow too big.
      And Kirk had all the potential to become a mix of Trump and (a conservative) Rogan.

      The coordination and synchronicity of the assassination are quite interessting.
      Shot right after he was asked about “mass shootings”(I’m pretty sure the assassin was once again a pimple faced fagot or even a tranny )

      Maybe one day people will start to askwhy noone is ever succesful with assassinating with assassinating(or even trying) to kill those who try to destroy a country,its culture,economy etc,(for some reason the StarmersMerkels,Obamas,Turdeaus are always safe)
      but only those who want to safe it.

  19. conrad ziefle says:

    Look at what trannies consider violence against them: Being told that the government is not going to pay for their sexual eradication surgeries, and that they can’t inflict their psychosis on children. That’s about it. No one suggests that they can’t prance around like psychos, so long as they don’t assault others and follow the laws which we all follow.
    Now look at what violence they preach and perpetuate: Murder, physical attack.
    I think it has come to the point where it is legitimate to hunt down every one of them that has posted violent threats or suggestions online and prosecute them under laws against that, which I’m sure exist.

  20. conrad ziefle says:

    Well folks,
    I suppose we have this meeting room as long as we want it. Meanwhile, there is the CO2 Coalition, which produces a steady flow of climate related articles.

  21. Bob G says:

    Have a look at the current Arctic sea ice cover extent. gosh I wonder why this isn’t in the news? (sarc). https://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php

    • conrad ziefle says:

      That’s odd! It seems to continue to cycle within two standard deviations of the mean, year after year. How odd is that? Ask Al Gore or Greta Thunafish.

      • conrad ziefle says:

        You could also ask why they don’t go as far back as they have data. Seems like they just started tracking in 78 and 81 (two different points on the same graph). Why use 78 for one and 81 for the other?

  22. Bob G says:

    Steven Milloy; “Climate clown show: After decades of telling us that warmer oceans increase the frequency & intensity of hurricanes, Wash Post now claims warmer oceans may do the exact opposite”

    • arn says:

      It was the Washington Pest that broke the news about the “hurricane drought – and why it is a bad thing”(yes, they always have to add a negative spin when it’s about climate,even about the absence of something so destructive),
      therefore they are at least trying to be a bit consistent, as the lack of hurricanes leaves no other options.

      The real problem is that one can not be an expert these days without predicting massive shifts as result of an irrelevant increase in temperatures.
      It seems impossible to say –
      Well, nothing will change.
      Things will stay the same on a planet that was on average 10 degrees warmer for the past 500 mio,yet never became a tornado,tafun,hurricane deadzone.
      Such a huge system will not change just because of a tiny fluctuation,
      but it may change if a bigger system like the sun changes.

      Fact is – climate experts have no clue what they are talking about,
      but they have a fund generating agenda to follow to push us towards UN and green energy.
      And noone needs these guys.
      You can cut all their jobs down to 1980ies levels
      and there would be 0% decrease in the quality of predictions if 97% of them would disappear tomorrow –
      and they absolutely away that they are not needed.

      • arn says:

        ” absolutely aware that they are not needed”

      • Bob G says:

        An honest look on the subject would conclude that cooling is the real Danger, not warming. cooling can lead to crop failure.

        • arn says:

          Cold weather already kills almost 10* more people than heat. (and I highly doubt that green energy will even this out.
          Quite the opposite will happen,the ratio will even worsen )

          But obsessed humanistic experts can not be bothered with that really interesting fact.

    • conrad ziefle says:

      The problem with journalists is that they never took a science class that they couldn’t fail. Same for any math class of consequence. The oceans are massive. Green House gases are mostly water vapor, and it hasn’t changed. If green house gases have caused additional heat trapping, it is small. The oceans, with huge masses, would hardly be affected by it. I still contend that until we have data for over a hundred years of constant warming, we can’t even talk about global climate change. Even then, there would be a chance that we would be mistaking a temporary blip in random walk to be a trend. Temperature is cyclical is the null theory. I bet that statistically, the null theory cannot be proven wrong.

      • Bob G says:

        “the oceans are massive”. yes they are! Earth has 321 million cubic miles of ocean water. impossible for mankind to heat up even one 100th of 1% of that

      • arn says:

        Actually water vapor masses have changed significantly – since the Hunga Tonga outbreak.

        And while I was expecting some serious global warming greenhouse gas runaway effect news as result of a 10% increase in vapor within a single day – nothing.
        En contraire, they were predicting a global warming hiatus as result of water vapor increase.

        Seems that the most abudant and most potent greenhouse gas has 0 warming effect while even a farting cow could set the world on fire.

        • Bob G says:

          just my opinion but I think there was a very slight warming from that volcanic event…. but it doesn’t last…. it’s mostly gone right now. summer of 2024 was pretty warm in the United States. summer of 2025 not so much.

        • arn says:

          There may have been
          (it’s a way more potent and abudant climate gas than co2 – we are talking about a ratio that is well above 100:1 at an average humidity level of 70%).

          But maybe there was no effect at all,
          as most of the additional vapor is still in the atmosphere.

        • conrad ziefle says:

          So I was oblivious to the volcanic event. I assume that it also increased the CO2 in the atmosphere, and that could have been by a lot. Anyone have any figures on both the H2O and CO2 increases attributed to the volcano and compared to human output for one year? I assume, as Bob stated, that the water vapor balances out fairly quickly to become in equilibrium with the water which covers 75% of Earth’s surface. I say that in total ignorance of how water vapor embedded in the upper atmosphere behaves. It may become entrained up there, or it might condense and rain out, I don’t know. It is interesting, however, that global cooling has been associated with large volcanic eruptions, despite the amount of CO2 and H2O ejected, the ash seems to dominate as far as weather is concerned.
          BTW, CO2 Coalition has lots of interesting articles if you are looking for something to read.

        • GW says:

          Numerous articles in the months and first year or so stated that the Hunga Tonga eruption “could” significantly raise global temperatures for “many” years to come, due to the massive amount of water vapor injected into the stratosphere. Humidity level in the stratosphere was markedly increased, and unlike tropospheric water vapor which is rained out all the time, it will take many many years to dissipate.
          Here’s just one :
          https://www.nasa.gov/earth/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere/

      • arn says:

        I’m too lazy to look it up but I think I remember 2 “numbers”.

        50 mio tonnes of water,
        the other was a 10% increase of overall atmospheric vapor and that it’ll take several years to get back to normal levels (someone also claimed here that the volume was a cubickilometer but I doubt that,though I don’t know how much additional vapor was released post eruption).

        I also think that noone actually knows how long it’ll take for global vapor/humidity levels to get back to normal.

        By strict AGW logic = never,
        as more vapor leads to more heat which means: more vapor and more heat .
        But thx god, or official climate propaganda, co2 has a warming monopol(alongside methan) as taxing vapor will never be accepted by the public,especially not on a global scale -so we should be safe from a vapor Armageddon and a cycle of endless warming.

        I also go along with eruption=cooling theory stuff as solid particles are way more effective with keeping heat in and out (that’s how greenhouses work imo) than transparent gas .
        Add to the mix that particles play a crucial role in cloud formation.
        More dust & more Vapor = more cloud coverage.
        Less high temperatures (and maybe even a higher albedo as result)

        Co2 Coalition?
        That name sounds more like something the other side would chose and not us deniers,
        But if it helps to save and rebuild the reputation of carbon and makes Co2 great again I’m fine with that.
        I think Ill look it up, as the first google big brother result was Wikipedia and that they are climate deniers – I’m all for that.

        • conrad ziefle says:

          Tony posted that he and his wife are members. Everyone who is a member is impressive, and most are scientists. They have a lot of good articles at their site. Plus, if you want a place where you can comment and get chats going again, maybe Watts Up with That.

        • arn says:

          Well GW –
          I completely missed the fear porn of h2o related warming(as there was none).
          But thanks for the link.
          As the announced worsening of the Ozone layer as result of Hunga Tonga eruption ensded in several healing of the Ozone layers articles every year since then – especially in the hemisphere where the eruption happened.

        • GW says:

          Arn, not sure what you’re trying to say. However, the point is that warming (or claims thereof, ie. new records, etc.) in the years after the eruption can be attributed to the change in stratospheric water vapor – just as volcanic cooling can be attributed to stratospheric SO2 when that type of volcano erupts – Pinatubo being the last one of any significance.
          oh, and perhaps you missed the warming of the past couple of years – here is the UAH graph from Dr. Roy showing it. https://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_August_2025_v6.1_20x9-scaled.jpg
          The El Nino which peaked in Jan of 24 was very likely enhanced, and the global temperature was undoubtedly enhanced by that eruption. Notice how the new temperature bottom is well above the mean temperature which began about 2016. Obviously it remains to be seen if temperatures will drop further, or this is the “new normal” as can be seen repeatedly following the significant El Ninos of the past.
          Personally, I find it interesting but ironic that there haven’t been any “real” cooling eruptions since the 1883 eruption of Krakatoa, if even then. You really have to go back to 1815 Tambora for something dramatic.

      • arn says:

        I must have missed that co2 coalition post.
        (or missunderstood the headline thinking that it was a co2 coalition
        instead of realizing that co2 coalition was the actual name)

        I know about WUWT.
        I post there maybe once a month when I get there by coincidence/link
        or just to check if Griff(the Ned Flanders of AGW) is terrorizing people in the comment section and to shoo him away for a while
        with some insults
        (it took years to get him away from this website
        just to find him years later there being the same ignorant AGW zealot who read 1000s of AGW critical articles and experienced hundreds of failed AGW predictions and has not learned a single thing from that and still thinks the arctic ice will disappear within the next 5 minutes )
        but it’s not really my cup of beer
        as there are way too many(imo artificially inflated)) articles per day.
        Less would be more in this case.

        But there are some very well educated and smart people in the comment section.

  23. dm says:

    Tony, here is another STORY to hit out of the park;-)

    https://www.axios.com/2025/09/16/summer-temperatures-lingering

    My expectation is:
    1) The additional days of summer weather are mostly attributable to the fake warming adjustments you have documented.
    2) Actual warming, if any, is mostly attributable to warmer lows–which may be caused by the UHI effect.
    3) The bottom of the 75th percentile is statistically insignificantly different from the mean & median.

    • conrad ziefle says:

      It looks scientific to the casual observer, but when you dig down, it becomes chaotic: Alteration of actual data, discontinuation of temperature stations leading to an increased impact from stations located in heat islands, cherry-picking the points of reference (this year vs a cherry-picked year), there may be more, but with just these three the argument unravels.

  24. Bob G says:

    “summer temperatures lingering”. too funny. here in Minnesota we just had our fifth coldest first week of September in history. where was the reporting on that? it did warm up after that first week and now we’re in a pattern where weather systems are moving from Southwest to North and Northeast. one expert says that’s very unusual for mid September. ” Early September 2025: Colder than normal for the first four days of September 2025, Minnesota’s average temperatures ran between 4 and 7 degrees Fahrenheit below normal.
    More than 30 weather stations across northern Minnesota reported morning lows in the 30s Fahrenheit during this period.
    One meteorologist noted that the beginning of the month was the fifth-coldest opening week of September on record.”

  25. Bob G says:

    As I’ve posted in the past, I occasionally trade emails with our local professor of meteorology. we got into it today. I started it by sending him a graph showing that Arctic sea ice seems to be rebounding. his response was reasonable, its a snapshot he wrote and doesn’t meet the requirements …you need 30 years of data. I countered by sending him the story about the engineer from Netherlands who had determined that sea level hasn’t gone up at all in the past 30 years. I also provided a link to Tony’s website that showed that NASA or Noaa or both have altered the temperature record to make it look like it’s warmed a great deal. I also noted to him that our own St Cloud Minnesota temperature records (which go back to 1884) seem to agree with that, no warming, as the most recent 35 years were no warmer than the years from 1900 to 1934. I’m going to paste his response in a moment and notice that he needs scientific evidence and I responded by saying the evidence is right in your own backyard!!!!. Our local average temperature hasn’t changed in the last 100 years… here’s his response:
    ” I see no point to this dialogue. It’s obvious that the true scientific data, will not change your mind about global warming, not even something as simple or well-regarded as carbon dioxide (oh yeah that Trace gas) in the air being a warming effect. Your reference to articles whose conclusions won’t stand up to review by scientists in the proper field will not convince me. Only evidence that the global temperature is not rising over a long period of time will cause me to change.”. So he disregards Tony’s findings as well as disregarding our own local temperature records. if that isn’t religion (not science). what is it???

    • arn says:

      He only accepts the “truths” that are delivered by his own priests.

      Therefore sent him the link to the global colling scare.

      The funny thing is:
      I guess the dude is old.(maybe old enough to remember the cooling scare he conviniently forgot)
      By simply opening his eyes and taking a look at any coastline he will realise that there is literally no change in sealevels throughout all the decades – there is absolutely no need for data or any expert opinion as it is in his face,
      and someone who does not even have these basic observational skills
      to see the very obvious and start asking basic questions
      should never ever be able to become a prof and at least be decent enough to give back this title.
      He could also take a look at the ever increasing food production
      that absolutely contradicts any climate crisis scenario.
      Then he’d have a lot to explain to himself.

      • conrad ziefle says:

        Maybe he is past his prime thinking age, way past it.

        • arn says:

          Maybe – but I do not even think that this is really related to prime intellect as it does only require basic common sense and a tiny bit of critical thinking skills.

          I’d therefore blame ignorance, a wrong focus and hybris instead of age.

          As a former casual believer of AGW (I was a bit odd, as I was a huge fan of the warming scenario as the cold German weather pisses me off and I completely dismissed the ” dangers” for all the right reasons as we are technically to advanced to not be able to cope with a degree or 2 of warming)
          it took me the shortest of times to switch after I actually realised how tiny the man made co2 quantities really are and how much higher atmospherical co2 used to be – with 0 apocalyptic impact and runaway scenario in hundred million years.
          Then I came across the ice age scare, the nonexistent sea level rise,the MWP,took a look at food production,
          the hiding of arctic sea ice extent pre 1979.

          And finally everything else made sense:
          All the irrational fear mongering, shaming, firing of people, character assassination, the permanent presence in the media.
          It had nothing to do with science or saving humanity(the scenario that the war country number 1 is so hellbent in saving us is in itself a totally crazy joke),
          not even with warming(that’s why you were oblivious to Hunga Tonga : there was none of the usual fear porn in the news to burn it into our brains)

          Even a 5 year old can understand all this with the right attitude , but the prof won’t because of his attitude and maybe dumbpride( ” Me and my buddies are too smart to be fooled by anyone and global conspiracies are impossible”).

          Also keep in mind what the real Frankenstein who actually created these people said about his Monsters:

          ” Once the process of demoralization and brainwashing is complete it can not be reversed.
          You can throw facts at them, they will ignore it.
          Only when the military boot crushes his balls, then he will understand – but NOT before that ”

          Juri Bezmenov

  26. Mac says:

    Can somebody tell me if this blog is dead? Is Tony Heller still active?

  27. conrad ziefle says:

    Tony Heller has turned his attention to X where he has ( Last I checked) 92k followers, and he also has his AI project. It seems he has little time for this anymore. I tried to follow him on X, but it is chaotic, and his message seems more difficult to follow, to me. Currently, I think we are using this post as a message board.

  28. Bob G says:

    Update on the climate crisis: “The USDA forecasts a record U.S. corn yield of 186.7 bushels per acre for 2025, which would be a new record high if realized. (who else predicted this for the past 8 weeks on this website? me)….This contributes to a record-high U.S. corn production forecast of 16.8 billion bushels, up 13% from 2024, due to increased yields and harvested acreage.
    Factors: Favorable weather, increased planted acreage, and better crop conditions
    Significance: This would be the highest production on record for the U.S.”. Does AOC know about this? lol. favorable weather? really? how can that be? lol

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