2005/2006 had the highest Arctic sea ice summer minimums in the DMI record. Arctic sea ice extent is higher now than it was on the same date in 2005/2006
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Looks like its higher than on this date last year as well.
Sadly, 2012 was very high about now and then went on to have the record low. I know there was an Arctic cyclone and I know that this year the ice is thick and can’t be blown out of the Arctic easily and so we may not have a record low. But, I am just pointing out that in 2012 many thought since it was very high in winter that it would stay high and instead we had the opposite.
So your saying wind has a greater effect on Artic Ice than temperature?
That’s true but to understand the present situation of the Arctic ice I think we must look at 2013 instead, when the temperatures were lower
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/meanTarchive/meanT_2013.png
than 2012
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/meanTarchive/meanT_2012.png
and the ice accumulated more at the North Canada instead of Asia.
The temperatures are now warmer than 2013,
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
but, depending on solar radiations, we could still have a similar melting season this year as in 2013 and that’s all we need to have again a good ice extent in September.
Another point, the AMO is starting to go down now and this will favor the formation of MYI at the north of the Fram Strait and should consolidate the “recover”.
Oh no there isn’t Steve!
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2014/03/some-sceptical-questions/
Meanwhile, in the Atlantic, ice conditions are the worst in 30 years. Ice is ice.
Meanwhile in the Central Arctic Basin there’s a significant negative anomaly even though we’re near the maximum extent for the year.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/recent365.anom.region.1.html
Some Arctic sea ice melts in summer. For the time being at least, some does not.
Meanwhile global sea ice is normal. How can CO2 melt the sea ice at one end of the globe and freeze more of it at the other end? The answer is it doesn’t.
The whole scam is just a way of introducing a global tax with all monies going to the trillion dollar London carbon credit shysters. Even Einstein could not understand compound interest, but the shysters can. Very nice bunch of criminals you support there Snow White.
Steven:
Any thoughts on the very tight grouping in mid-May? Regardless of the winter and summer deviations, all the traces pass through an extremely narrow window at that point.
I have been wondering about that since I started watching this DMI chart 2-3 years ago…
Geography. Ice extent is limited by the size of the Arctic Basin.
Do either of you have any comment to make on the fact that the NSIDC Arctic sea ice extent is currently lower than it ever has been before on this day of the year?
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/
Here’s another sceptical question for you all:
7. How do you define “The Arctic”?
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_daily_extent.png
Since it is the same as in 2006 and 2011 for NSIDC, you’re wrong anyway. Some of your other questions look a lot like strawmen.
LOL! 😀
Nice definition of the Arctic.
Snow White might struggle with that.
NORSEX shows a similar funneling in May-June.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/coast-guard-warns-bad-ice-atlantic-canada-ships-173704122.html
Thanks Steve. One down, seven and a bit (currently) to go!
7 (a) If your definition of “The Arctic” is in fact the NSIDC domain, why on Earth do you show a DMI chart at the top of the thread?
Here’s a question for you: Do NSIDC and DMI define the Arctic differently? If so, by how much?
1. Yes Dave.
2. Here’s a clue:
http://osisaf.met.no/p/ice/nh/conc/imgs/OSI_HL_SAF_201403111200_pal.jpg
It’s a shame one can’t display images in comments here, isn’t it?
3. Here’s a supplementary question. Why is Steve switching between the “old” and “new” versions of DMI extent? Indeed why not simply display the NSIDC extent, since that conforms to his definition of “The Arctic”?
Dave – Any chance you can expand on your “straw man” theme?
What precisely is it that’s “the same as in 2006 and 2011 for NSIDC”?
Andy,
What on Earth makes you think I support “shysters” or “criminals”?
In answer to your queries:
1. For starters, The Arctic is an ocean surrounded by continents, whereas the Antarctic is…?
What’s at 90° North, for the moment at least? How about 90° South?
2. For an example of a more explicit definition of “The Arctic” please see section 7 of:
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2014/03/some-sceptical-questions/#comment-11797
Global sea ice is normal.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/iphone/images/iphone.anomaly.global.png
Anyone who preaches the alarmist CAGW religion is a spruiker for the carbon credit shysters whether they know it or not. The same guys who did the LIBOR scandal, brought us the GFC, ENRON, etc.
It’s time to come out of the closet Snow White and admit it. Flannery, Garnaut and Gore have.
This thread is about the Arctic. Arctic sea ice isn’t “normal”. There isn’t more of it than in 2005 and 2006 either. If you don’t believe me answer these questions:
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2014/03/some-sceptical-questions/
Please show me where I am “preaching an alarmist CAGW religion”.
Nice. Reader thinks that the government of Denmark are evil climate deniers.
What is exactly is “normal” Arctic ice? Maybe you should ask God and get back to us later.
Steven – Answer those questions. They’re not hard!
Sorry, I have no intention of providing you a page view.
You’ll have to forgive me if I interpret that as a euphemism for “I refuse to answer your questions”. How about answering them here instead, or don’t you have the time to answer questions raised on your own blog?
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/03/08/planet-doomed-by-missing-ice-cube-in-the-barents-sea/#comment-325516
I have no intention of patronizing your web site and giving you a page view.
Aren’t you guys forgetting that NSIDC changed the way they read/interrupt coastal features..
…they incorporated that into their extent/area numbers
Which, of course, will show less ice…later freeze up…and earlier melt
…which, of course, means they are constantly “improving”
Which, of course, means you can’t compare
Speaking for myself, I don’t think I’ve forgotten anything.
However in all the circumstances I couldn’t possibly answer for Steve, who seems unable to answer questions for himself. Perhaps you wouldn’t mind answering on his behalf?
10. When was it that the DMI “changed the way they read/interrupt coastal features [which] they incorporated into their extent/area numbers”?