NASA is blaming glacier melt on global warming today, which they know is a completely fraudulent claim.
NASA knows perfectly well that Greenland was melting during their coldest years on record. Dr. Walt Meier (now at NASA) personally told me that Greenland warming was greater in the 1940’s.
2 May 1923, Page 4 – at Newspapers.com
And it wasn’t just Greenland.
Temperatures on the Greenland Ice Sheet are -45 degrees. The Guardian says they are terrified by this melting.
NASA, NOAA, the New York Times, The Guardian, The White House – they are all completely full of crap about climate. What is their agenda?
Is this your big story? You can’t prove fraud by showing old newspaper articles.
[SG : All history is old. Only a complete moron would reject history on the basis of it being old]
What does it show Martin?
It doesn’t show anything. Steven has gone round the bend, I’m afraid.
What it shows is that to be a climate researcher/scientist it seems you must be a “catastrophist”. The proof is in the pudding/newspaper/scientific journals. It seems they been crying “the end is nigh” since the beginning.
Despite your obviously high opinion of yourself, you really are a profoundly ignorant little boy.
And exceptionally unpleasant with it.
You’re wrong, Tony. Martin believes in NEW history. Whatever Winston Smith (relation?) says happened 80 years ago supersedes anything that was reported at the time.
Ted, come home. All is forgiven.
Lonely at the asylum? If you can imagine CAGW you can surely imagine up a few friends.
I’m not rejecting history, Steven. I’m saying you can’t refute science with newspaper articles and graphs that show temperature change over time.
[SG : Martin believes that science is determined by government grants, as opposed to actual data]
Where is the “science” in that tweet?
Tony, the Tweet you head you post with is not science just Yellow Journalism.
You then cite historical evidence.
All temperature history is based on old data. only a complete moron would not understand that.,
How can it be old when they keep changing it every day.
Just as you can’t tell what temperature it is by reading a thermometer, you have to wait until a government agency adjusts the figure so that you know what it really was when you took the reading?
Martin, what you just said misses the point. Tony is by no means refuting science. He might be at odds with your interpretation of it however.
The purpose of newspaper articles is to demontrate that recent weather events, often claimed as “unprecedented” by alarmists, have happened in a similar or even worse form in the past. There is very little under the sun that is truly unprecedented or that show that our climate is any worse now than it has been in years gone by.
Since alarmists are very untruthful in that regard, by always claiming that any given storm is the “worst ever”, Steve is doing a valuable service by showing just how fraudulent those claims have been.
Laymen “Shocked” by the lack of sea level rise resulting from the catastrophic melting in Greenland that’s been reported for over two decades now!
Martin-
Since you’re here now, I just want to remind you of a question I asked earlier, in a different thread:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/11/13/50-increase-in-eurasian-autumn-snow-cover-since-1979/#comment-551915
I guess you missed it earlier, so I’ll ask again. Do you know the difference between snowfall extent, and snowfall volume?
Sorry, Ted, but I can’t follow all the dozens and dozens of the trolls to my comments on all Steven’s blog posts. I have a life and a job. So I didn’t miss your troll. I simply stop following the nonsense after a while. Here is my answer to your question:
No, he didn’t, Ted. He showed a graph for one region, and he showed a graph for the northern hemisphere for one season. Neither of them prove anything about the global trend in snow extent, nor does Steven take into account the change in the jet stream, which is caused by AGW and which is responsible for cold weather in certain parts of the northern hemisphere, in particular Eurasia and the eastern US and Canada.
I hope that’s a satisfactory answer, Ted, but I doubt it will be. Either way, it’s time for bed. Good night, all. I hope Steven has posted his big story by morning.
And the troll goes to sleep:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_h9bQK3EZs
https://coloradowellington.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/troll-happy-did-well.jpg
One chart from that post shows northern hemisphere snowfall extent for over 50 years:
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/nhland_season4-1.png
The other one shows extent for the large majority of the northern hemisphere, for 40 years:
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2015-11-13-02-08-20.png
And one season is fully 25% of a year. Hardly a trivial data set.
But more to the point, you didn’t address the question at all:
Do you know the difference between snowfall extent, and snowfall volume?
And for the record, Martin, how do you define a troll?
Have I made irrelevant arguments, in an attempt to anger you?
Have I been rude?
Have I called you names?
Have I lied?
If so, please show me what I’ve said that you find objectionable, and I’ll do my best not to repeat it.
I’d be happy to engage in genuine debate with you, if you’re interested. No name calling. No personal comments at all. Just simple point-counterpoint. Is that acceptable to you? I’m by no means the most informed of the commentators on this site, but I think I’m capable of defending my opinions. I assume you feel the same about your opinions. I guess it comes down to, would you rather win the argument, or be correct? They’re not the same thing. I’d rather be correct. As such, I welcome any efforts you’d like to make toward improving my understanding.
Hey Ted! Good luck with that — and I mean that sincerely. I tried the same thing and all I got was variations on repeated claims that all the science had been documented and was easily available. Martin posted some links but the links never actually showed how and why the adjustments were made. When I asked him to explain the changes made to just one single year he said he was unable. Good luck.
And Martin… I will say that even though you have been frustrating, you have also been mostly polite. Good on you for that.
Ted and Jason, my take is here:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/11/08/arctic-sea-ice-growth-continues-at-a-record-pace/#comment-550328
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/11/12/more-detail-on-noaa-temperature-fraud/#comment-551640
Fake politeness while evading and throwing insults doesn’t do it for me. I’ll take a rude but honest New Yorker any day of the week.
“I’ll take a rude but honest New Yorker any day of the week.”
Amen to that.
I’m about as blunt as people come, and I think I have a pretty thick skin. Insults in a debate don’t bother me the slightest bit, as long as they don’t BECOME the debate. If someone wants to call me a liar, or a Nazi, or a cannibalistic satanist, fine. All I ask is that they show some evidence to back it up.
Oh dear, that is so pathetic.. there is only one troll around here , and that is YOU.
You have not once been able to back up anything you say with real data or real facts.
SkS links do not count as either.
Get some real science, you poor ignorant little Gore failure.
“The change in the jet stream caused by AGW.” Jet streams never changed before, did they? You have absolutely no proof that jet stream changes are solely due to AGW. Nice try.
And once again Martin the Troll proves he is incapable of logical thought:
“You can’t prove fraud by showing old newspaper articles.”
Tony Brown would be horrified at that statement.
See dave1billion, this is why you can’t.
Back to the unemployment line for me.
I’m not a sceptic. I’m a believer in Steven Goddard’s impeccable research into past science belief and his posting of current events. Appreciative,too!
An excellent example of the use of old newspaper and other written material to substantiate the old unadjusted thermometer readings can be found at Jo Nova’s website
The heat covered a huge area. Reports began to come in of phenomenal temperatures. The heatwave stretched far and wide. From Western Australia here to Tasmania, the papers all began to report the heat.
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For the USA in that aprox. time frame we had the Dust Bowl.
But everything is OK. NOAA (and the BOM) have managed to erase these high temperatures and since Martin the Troll says historic documents chonicling the events of the time are useless as evidence, NOAA is AGAIN saved from a charge of FRAUD!
The US temperature record from the 1930s is one reason why the official “adjustments” do not make sense. When the average of a group is shifted, even a little, the values of the tails become much more drastically shifted. If, for example, the average temperatures today were even one degree higher than they were in the 1930s, then the number of high temperature records from recent times would be much more numerous than before. Likewise the number of state low temperature records would be much fewer today.
NOAA or whoever can get away with altering averages pretty easily. Who remembers or would know any differently of they altered the average for 1910 for the country or for individual states? No one would know. Thy cannot so easily alter the all time high records though because that is a commonly available and recorded record. People would notice.
When you look at the record highs, count how many were set in the single decade of the 1930s. Now tell me that the distribution you see makes any sense if the temperatures now are so much higher.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_temperature_extremes
The entire basis of the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is that humans have caused a new and dangerous widespread warming, a type of change not seen before. If historical accounts show the same patterns of weather (and climate is nothing more than the long term statistical pattern of weather) existed before CAGW started as exist during now, then CAGW does not exist.
It is the same periodic cycles today that the historical accounts describe. You cannot claim there is something new when nothing has changed.
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/65_Myr_Climate_Change_Rev.jpg
So much for Gore BULL Warbling.
So why is this happening now? The article says measurements of water temperature show a 1C warming of waters coming originally from the tropics, which is a huge change. The ice-shelf could not withstand the extra melt and the glacier started to collapse as a result.
Let’s take that apart:
So why is this happening now?
The article says measurements of water temperature show a 1C warming of waters coming originally from the tropics, which is a huge change.
Actual temperatures:
http://www.climate4you.com/images/SSTabsolute%20Global.gif
http://www.climate4you.com/images/SSTanomaly%20Global.gif
Sea surface temperature anomalies 6 November 2015 (degrees C). This map shows the current anomaly (deviation from normal) of the surface temperature of Earth’s oceans. White represents land areas. White shows the extent of sea ice. Map source: NCEP. Technical notes on the production of the map are available here. Please use this link if you want to see the original figure or want to check for a more recent update than shown above.
Note the water NEXT TO Greenland is actually below normal and it is not exactly warm to begin with.(2 to 4 C)
“The ice-shelf could not withstand the extra melt and the glacier started to collapse as a result.”
Notice the bait and switch in wording. Glaices CALF all the time that is completely different than ‘collapsing’
yea and warm weather or water may have nothing at all to do with calving. After all that’s what glaciers do. They flow downhill.
Looks like they are preparing the Paris climate summit.
https://www.rt.com/news/321875-paris-france-shooting-victims/
https://youtu.be/lqvQaAcSB4A
Yeah, there’s some serious sh_t going on over there right now. 60 dead and hundreds held hostage.
At least good old Al Gore is in Paris hosting a 24 hour climate telethon right now to “drum up attention” to show the world what is truly important.
Seriously, what’s up with Gore’s luck? It seems like every time he shows up to talk global warming there seems to be a blizzard. Or here when he’s trying to highlight the #1 existential threat to civilization and madmen show up and provide a devastating counterpoint with a real and present danger.
I pray that things don’t get worse over there but it looks really bad.
I had the same thought, Dave. It may be just bad luck but he doesn’t seem to be their best asset.
Al Gore hosting climate telethon from Paris’ Eiffel Tower
http://news.yahoo.com/al-gore-hosting-climate-telethon-paris-eiffel-tower-163634484.html
Dave this is gong to sound harsh but I don’t give a shit how bad they get there. The French made their own bed a long time ago and now they can friggin lay in it. In fact the worse they get there the better chance that enough of the brain dead here will wake up before the imbecile in the oval office makes us into another France or UK.
I pray for the innocent and suffering, and I pray that enough people fucking wake up.
rah, I’d agree with you but I hope we’re not at that point yet.
I know that we’ll have an attack like that here sooner or later, but I fear the response here would be more focused on gun control than anything else. I seriously examined myself (a little of the self criticism Colorado suggested earlier) after I had that thought and I really do believe it.
I believe the current administration would use any such attack to further their anti gun agenda, oblivious to the fact that such an attack would provoke a diametrically opposed response in most Americans.
Well if you can’t tell my blood is up and quite frankly these days, when stuff like this happens, I am far more concerned about my own country than the people in any other because I see us slipping down the same path.
Na this isn’t important at all. After all our president told us that Climate Change is the number one threat to modern civilization.
Besides, ISIL is contained.
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President Obama commented on ISIL on ABC’s “Good Morning America” earlier today:
Stupid to tip their hands before the Paris Confab.
This just a pre-amble.
How many of the young, fit, single, male “refugees” are just waiting the chance to meet their 70 virgins !!
Authorities should be searching like mad for weapon caches etc.
Paris and the rest of Europe are going to be very hostile places over the next several years.
True, but they don’t have to be geniuses. Plain old determination will do. They hate America but that doesn’t mean they don’t understand English. And they only need to know two American authors to figure out what to do: Obama and Patton.
We will see soon if they miscalculated.
As Ted said:
We have to use our best assets.
Wisdom of the Day:
https://coloradowellington.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/wisdom-of-the-day-20151113.png
I expect some growing up but not everybody and not yet.
This is a 5-10 year old, right ?
Developmentally. That’s always the key. As long as there is development there is hope.
https://twitter.com/sippykittycups
Its everywhere…..im giving up the will to live http://www.upworthy.com/the-ap-stylebook-just-changed-the-meaning-of-global-warming-with-one-amazing-edit?c=ufb1
ungh
Nice one Tony!
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