Dealing With The World’s Stupidest People

The Arctic is not melting. Arctic sea ice extent is normal.

Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph | Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis

Over the past decade, mid-September sea ice extent has increased.

There is no trend over the past decade.


Yet the idiots on the left still insist that the ice is disappearing. They are impervious to facts and data.

The Arctic as it is known today is almost certainly gone

No matter how many times they have been wrong in the past, they keep coming back with the same idiocy over and over again.

Expert: Arctic polar cap may disappear this summer_English_Xinhua

North Pole May Be Ice-Free for First Time This Summer

Star-News – Google News Archive Search

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’

Gore: Polar ice cap may disappear by summer 2014

The Argus-Press – Google News Archive Search

You really can’t fix stupid.

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58 Responses to Dealing With The World’s Stupidest People

  1. Buck Turgidson says:

    This is not science, it’s theology. No amount of new information of facts or evidence will sway the believers from their beliefs. It is pure belief. They ‘believe’, there is no talking to them and why should they even gather evidence, they only believe what they want to believe. Contrary evidence is dismissed.

    Since the ‘science is settled’ as they tell us, then let’s shut down NCAR NOAA NASA NSF and all the other agencies that are ripping us off. Why study something further that has been settled?

    Settled science, indeed, what nonsense.

    • The truth, not always pretty, is that none of the Gaian altruist pseudoscientists ever show a single one of Tony’s graphs of temperatures declining over the time axis. Yet Tony has no problem whatsoever reproducing and analyzing their innuendo and screed. The tactic has changed from struggling to evade and ignore real data (before the voters had their say) to struggling to tarbrush, distort and change the subject. This mirrors exactly the shift in the Econazi “final solution” pogrom against U.S. nuclear power reactors before and after the 1980 election.

      • Gail Combs says:

        The same playbook is used. The same group funds it. (Can you say Rockefellers and Rothschilds?)

        Interesting that no new nuclear reactors were started after 1977. ?

        Trump Puts Nuclear First on America’s Energy Agenda
        Energy Secretary Perry: “We want to make nuclear cool again” ?

        • arn says:

          The two families which have released more co2 than any other family on this planet beside the saudis by digging and selling oil((Rockfellers reckless standard oil monopol(copy pasted by bill gates),Rothschild&Rockf. Baku oil fields(sabotaging and kicking out competition)
          are the same families who want to save us from co2.

          The very same Rockfellers who treated their workers like shit and let them die by the thousands in their coal mines and oil fields and kept it under the rug because their media owning buddies refused to write about it.
          The very same Rockfellers who started globalisation
          by replacing their standard workers with immigrants.

          The very same Rockfellers who killed many children and women with their private militia mercenaries at the Ludlow massacre and made the rest homeless at minus 10-15 degrees celsius)
          -and after they failed to keep the media silent this time as the crime was to big to keep it under the rug and got harshly criticized ,
          they used a trick.
          They instantly created the Rockfeller Foundation and became good doers.

          One has to be completely insane (or worse=a progressive)
          to believe that this families do give a shit about humans who do not belong to their group.
          And these guys for sure do not give a shit about environment.
          When Rockfellers Exxon Valdez spilled oil and polluted and poisened huge parts they went to their buddies from the supreme court and the fine was reduced by 80%(being exactly the money the rockfellers had spent(for cleaning) till the day of supreme courts judgement.

          And these guy pretend to safe the climate-with our money??
          While secretely meeting with their bought politicians at the bohemian grove((pseudo rightwing btw)()
          or at the bilderbergers with their bought politicians
          or by creating the club of rome((which created the green&gay agenda that is unleashed on western people)
          and coordinating politicians with the CFR.

    • Rob says:

      Exactly. This is a religion to them and they act like most hardcore religious people do except in many ways they are far worse since they try and pretend it isn’t all based on belief/faith by saying it is science. Such garbage and I would probably have to agree with Tony that it is the biggest scam/fraud in human history simply because the data is right there to show it is a fraud.

      It’s a shame that many gullible or perhaps just apathetic people buy into this despite the same predictions and talking points constantly being wrong or shown to be lies. I guess I am a crazy person for not trusting people who lie and/or are continually wrong.

      • annieoakley says:

        Now they are calling people who do not believe in CO2 man caused hurricanes murderers.

        • Gator says:

          That’s rich, coming from genocidal maniacs.

          • arn says:

            The first commandement of sociopathic people:
            Blame others(especially those who oppose you) for the crimes you commit.

            The second commandement:
            Always brazenly pretend to speak for the majority(=bolshewik)
            and to do good
            while trying to implement your fascist minority ruled centralised system.
            Because most people can not believe that evil people systematically use good intentions to push their agenda and even those who can
            usually do not know how to critize and oppose such bastards and still remain trustworthy.

          • Gator says:

            Virtually all leftists are terminally infected and inflicted with psychological projection.

          • Kris Johanson says:

            Projection… with small children it’s known as the blame game, pointing the finger, blame shifting, passing the buck, not taking responsibility, blaming others,

  2. Jimmy Haigh says:

    “Although the English are effete…
    they’re quite impervious to heat…”

  3. Stewart Pid says:

    Re: “You really can’t fix stupid”. So I guess griff is a lost cause :-) …. the stupid is strong in that one!

  4. Cam says:

    September 12th is the average last day of the summer melt season according to NSIDC. This year it hit 4.611 million sq km that day and then went up by 40,000 sq km yesterday. It could still drop a little but if not, this would put it at the 31st highest year in the satellite record, ahead of 7 other years.

  5. Intellectuals of the looter persuasion lard their cant with meaninglessness. Does responding with equally meaningless n-words like “the left” help? The Ladies’ Home Journal described German National Socialism as “the left” in 1933. Yet Communists shriek that Hitler’s religious conservatives “aren’t really” socialists. Pro-energy and pro-freedom carry meaning. Voters supported the two pro-energy parties with healthy victories in 2016. Four million pro-energy Libertarian party votes more than made up for popular vote abstainers alienated by Republican mystical prohibitionism. Unlike Socialist Europeans, U.S. voters clearly do not want electricity banned.

    • Gator says:

      Republican mystical prohibitionism…

      Progressives are the prohibitionists, and they tend to be atheist.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Good grief, Hank, today’s “Progressive” campaign against hydrocarbon-based energy has nothing to do with conservative German Christians of the 1930s and you know it.

      Give it a break.

  6. Gail Combs says:

    However Al the Gorical’s newest film has Inconveniently FLOPPED!
    An Inconvenient Bomb: Al Gore’s Climate-Change Film Flops at Box (wwwDOT)

    * People will virtue signal support for CAGW but will not vote or open their wallets to support it. This is an amusing round-up of the current public attitude by desperate Alarmists. Environmental Proponents Have A Hard Fight Ahead (Note how they use the words environment and climate change/CAGW interchangeably.)

    * Most people think the MSM is lying to them and the number disillusioned is increasing especially among Republicans and Independents. Not so much among brain dead Democrats. (Numbers vary depending on polls)

    * The DNC can’t get donors to donate, while the RNC is breaking records.

    * The Democratic Party Is in Worse Shape Than You Thought – The New Times ( I am sure griffy will read every word of this, snicker)

    (I will sift through the dreck at NYT)

    ” …Democratic pollsters, strategists and sympathetic academics have reached some unnerving conclusions. What the autopsy reveals is that Democratic losses among working class voters were not limited to whites….

    Equally disturbing, winning back former party loyalists who switched to Trump will be tough: these white voters’ views on immigration and race are in direct conflict with fundamental Democratic tenets….”

    YEAH, SO lets up the bashing of whites exponentially and start the removal/defacing of historic statues! (Now Thomas Jefferson, Jesus & Mary, and Francis Scott Key, composer of the National Anthem.) Lets have Congress overwhelmingly approve a resolution condemning white nationalists and upbraiding Trump after Trump sparked an uproar last month when he responded to the Charlottesville rally by condemning “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides.” — OH WOW, Trump did not acknowledge the Protected Classes, how horrible!

    — So where the [swear words deleted] was Congress and Obama’s condemnation of Black Lives Matter, Islamic Jihadists and now La Raza and Antifa over the DELIBERATE stalking, and beating of Trump supporters and the stalking and KILLING of police officers…. Crickets ?
    Continuing with NYT article

    “…A consistent theme is that the focus on white defections from the Democratic Party masks an even more threatening trend: declining turnout among key elements of the so-called Rising American Electorate — minority, young and single voters.

    …Priorities also studied Obama-to-Trump voters. Estimates of the number of such voters range from 6.7 to 9.2 million, far more than enough to provide Trump his Electoral College victory. The counties that switched from Obama to Trump were heavily concentrated in the Midwest and other Rust Belt states.

    To say that this constituency does not look favorably on the Democratic Party fails to capture the scope of their disenchantment.”


    “…. A solid majority, 77 percent, of Obama-to-Trump voters think Trump’s economic policies will either favor “all groups equally” (44) or the middle class (33). 21 percent said Trump would favor the wealthy. In contrast, a plurality of these voters, 42 percent, said that Congressional Democrats would favor the wealthy, slightly ahead of Congressional Republicans at 40 percent….”

    What has me very worried is if the DNC doesn’t give a flying flip they are losing voters left and right and are doubling down on Racism and Immigration; If the RNC doesn’t give a flying flip that their Uni-party mask has been ripped of; Should we be worried about Soros and his foot troops BLM, Antifa, La Raza, Jihadists, and the American Purple Revolution.

    OH and it seems that Congress just took away one of AG Sessions weapons against the Deep State players. Interesting that after YEARS of citizens screaming about this they pick NOW to finally act. Forfeiture Endangers American Rights (F.E.A.R.) has been around since 1998. ?

    “In a stunning move, the House of Representatives on Tuesday approved an amendment to the Make America Secure and Prosperous Appropriations Act that will roll back Attorney General Jeff Sessions’s expansion of asset forfeiture.
    Amendment No. 126 was sponsored by a bipartisan group….

    Civil asset forfeiture is a practice in which law enforcement can take assets from a person who is suspected of a crime, even without a charge or conviction. Sessions revived the Justice Department’s Equitable Sharing Program, which allowed state and local police agencies to take assets and then give them to the federal government…” theintercept(DOT)com/2017/09/12/in-surprise-vote-house-passes-amendment-to-restrict-asset-forfeiture/

    • Gator says:

      We are told that we cannot fault the children of illegal aliens, and cannot make them pay for the sins of their fathers. So why is it that federal law forces me to repay society for slaves that my ancestors never owned?

    • Scott Scarborough says:

      How is asset forfeiture a tool against the deep state? Name me a deep state operative that has had his assets forfeited?

      • Gail Combs says:

        I am looking ahead with hopes of a big fat RICO trial. It is kinda hard to hire all those high priced lawyers if your assets have been seized. First thought we have to get honest judges in place.

        We have lots of Congress critters (like Rosa DeLauro**) who go into Congress as middle class and come out as millionaires. Makes you wonder doesn’t it?

        ** “….the entry that really sent my Democratic strategist friend ballistic was the one for Rep. Rosa DeLauro, the Connecticut Democrat. La Rosa–tied for #48 on the Richest list–gets the lion’s share of her wealth from her husband–Clintonista pollster and campaign strategist Stan Greenberg. Says Roll Call, “DeLauro’s primary asset is a 67-percent stake in Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research Inc., a Washington-based firm run by her husband, Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg. Her share in the company nets the Representative $5 million to $25 million. She has a partial stake in two other polling/consulting firms…

        My bud the political warhorse snorted, “Hell, she first ran for Congress she didn’t have a dime–I was one of her biggest contributors. And Stan Greenberg, who worked for me back when he was starting out, used to have holes in his socks!” Noting that Congressional wealth is usually closer to the higher than to the lower estimates on the disclosure forms, my dour Democrat gasped, “That means they’re making around $50 million! These people shouldn’t be running Democratic campaigns!”….”

        Private companies like book deals are a great way to launder funds.

      • Squidly says:

        It surprises me that Gail would be in favor of asset forfeiture, which is clearly a violation of one’s 4th amendment right to due process.

        Is this a case where it is ok to violate a Constitutional right as long as it favors a particular desired outcome?

        Forgive me for being consistent here, but like it or not, even the scumbags in D.C. should be afforded their Constitutional rights. Many asset forfeiture laws are a clear violation of those rights.

  7. Pathway says:

    As long as the money flows they will keep saying it.

  8. Psalmon says:

    I would add to the idea that it’s easy to distort what people can’t see, or a place people can’t visit.

    But this premise did not matter during Hurricane Irma. CNN and others proved you can say 100mph winds and most people parrot, 100mph winds!

    Check out this CNN screen shot of guys CYCLING during Irma. So you don’t miss it, compare the headline to the lower right corner. For ref, the Miami station at Virginia Key in Biscayne Bay just south of Miami Beach recorded max 40kt winds and 60kt gusts.

  9. M. X says:

    To a new comers, I think your wording could be refined. It reads “data shows it’s not melting” then a graph with a curve at the very bottom line of the previous known range. That looks quite a lot like melting if you don’t pour the context immediately. Say something like “for the last years the Ice extent, while at the lower bracket of the last decades, has stabilized and is even slightly improving” or something like that.

    • Jason Calley says:

      Hey M.X.! Not to nitpick, but you say “at the very bottom line of the previous known range”. The shaded area is not the previous known range, but is the 2Sigma boundary which is (rather arbitrarily) considered normal. The “previous known range” would extend somewhat lower than the 2Sigma. In fact, for much of the Holocene, the range went all the way down to zero! Current ice is lower than the average for the last few decades, but not so low that it would be considered not normal.

      However one chooses to name the ice, we can say for sure that it is certainly not melting now, and probably won’t be melting until next year’s melt season!

      • M. X says:

        Well that would need to be explained with the graph – my point is about visual clarity, so that kind of shows the point. You’re “nitpicking” is actually a good way to see what could be made clearer in the article !

    • Gail Combs says:

      Actually 2 sigma is very tight limits. Usually in manufacturing we used at least 2.5 sigma or three Sigma of The famous Six Sigma courses.

      • R. Shearer says:

        Yes, +/- 2 sigma contains accounts for ~95% of the variance. The problem in this case is that the data used only goes back to 1980, and they are using a subset of the data (1980 to 2000 I seem to recall) to define what is the normal range. We all know that there were periods within this interglacial when there was no summer ice.

        The amount of sea ice today is certainly within natural variation.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Yes, 20 years is not even 1/2 of a PDO or AMO cycle.

          • David A says:

            ….and begins at the peak of a 30 year cooling period; ” The Ice Age, scare, where, as Tony H points out, newspapers often blamed the latest weather disaster on global cooling, before blaming virtually identical weather events on CAGW twenty years later.

      • M. X says:

        I would suspect whether 2 sigma is a broad range entirely depends on the data monitored.

  10. Kris Johanson says:

    “We recognize him as a climate prophet” sounds a little hollow now, doesn’t it? I’ll make my own prediction: 75 years from now Hansen will be seen as neither a prophet nor a scientist. The personal tragedy is he could have been the latter, had he not fallen to the temptation of trying to be a ‘revolutionary seer’

  11. don penman says:

    I think arctic sea ice extent has reached its minimum and is starting to increase now.
    I know arctic sea ice area was increasing before this.

  12. Mark Fife says:

    Let me get this straight. “Nearly every country in the world signed up to an agreement to fight devastating climate change” translates more accurately to “Nearly every country in the world signed up to an agreement to receive money from the US to fight devastating climate change”. Or perhaps this would be even more accurate. “Nearly every country in the world signed up to an agreement to receive money from the US which would ostensibly be used to fight devastating climate change or maybe to combat the effects of said DCC.”

    Because, as we all know, the billions of dollars we spend on foreign aid all goes to aid the people. None of it goes towards buying weapons or lining the pockets of the powerful and the corrupt.

    And we also know you don’t have a fortunate few who profit disproportionately from spending to combat devastating climate change. Al Gore made all his money from books and movies. How dare you say otherwise you fat cat oil money grubbing denier.

    Hence your implication greed may have influenced the signatures of any signatories from such bastions of truth and freedom as Iran and Venezuela and Cuba are fanciful fancy at best. What could possibly go wrong funneling billions into such trustworthy hands?

    • Kris Johanson says:

      I wonder what percentage of foreign aid gets siphoned into the hands of scuzzy dictators? I always think of Yasser Arafat (yes ya are a fat) who died with a personal stash of $Billions, reportedly…

  13. RAH says:

    Was driving the big truck and tuning the radio came across an NPR program in which the mayor of Tampa was being interviewed. Was surprised at the tone of the interviewer who asked something to the effect: ‘Tampa has dodged a bullet from the recent hurricane but it can’t expect to remain so lucky. What are your plans Mr. Mayor to address the problem of so many years of poor decisions in the placement of developments which have continually been allowed to be built in the low lying coastal areas?’
    The mayor first did the usually meaningless two bit shuffle and then launched into how the current administration must take climate change seriously and it was a tragedy it didn’t. Didn’t know squat about the mayor of Tampa but now I know all I need to know.  The guy is a total scumbag.  

    • gator69 says:

      Bob Buckhorn has been mayor since 2011, and a member of the Tampa city government since 1995. As a Mayor who believes this myth (maybe), shouldn’t he be taking the lead, and not trying to pass the buck off on a nonbeliever? Oh right, I forgot, democrats always expect somebody else to fix their problems and pay for their messes.

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        Not so fast, guys.

        Bob Buckhorn graduated with a science degree from Penn State in 1980 and has been working in his chosen specialty ever since. I would expect him to know a thing or two about science! *) As a practicing scientist he also worked hard on the development of Tampa’s riverside and other low-lying areas so it’s only logical he wants the federal government to protect these real estate investments.

        There are a few minor controversies surrounding him but fellow scientists from the University of Tampa believe his chances in the 2018 gubernatorial race are good.

        “Scott Paine, a former City Council member and a University of Tampa political science professor, said voters need to make a distinction between politicians whose policy is guided by donations and those who receive support because their policies align with certain companies’ interests.”

        *) There is a near perfect 97% overlap between climate science and Bob Buckhorn’s field of expertise.

  14. John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia says:

    A couple of fools featured on this video

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