Irma Weather Almost identical To The Labor Day Hurricane

I pointed this out a few days ago.  The current weather in the US is almost identical to the weather on September 5, 1935 when America’s most intense hurricane hit Florida.

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57 Responses to Irma Weather Almost identical To The Labor Day Hurricane

  1. Ronald Baker says:

    What was the NH winter like 1935-36?

    • tonyheller says:

      February 1936 was one of the coldest months on record in the US.

    • Gail Combs says:

      So we have big tropical storms/Hurricanes releasing lots of heat to space and the season does not end til November 30

      The season officially began on June 1
      Tropical Storm Bret. ( June 19 – June 20)
      Tropical Storm Cindy.
      Tropical Depression Four.
      Tropical Storm Don.
      Tropical Storm Emily.
      Hurricane Franklin. (cat 1)
      Hurricane Gert. (cat 2)
      Harvey Cat 4
      Irma Cat 5
      Jose Cat 4
      Katia Cat 2

      Wonder how that compares heat release wise to other years.

      • David A says:

        Gail! Where have you been?

        • David A says:

          I understand globally we are not having an exceptional year regarding hurricanes and typhoons.

          Any human signature must first have a global increase of significance before it can even be considered.

        • Gail Combs says:

          I have been over at the ConservativeTreeHouse talking politics.

          Many do not have the in-depth knowledge on some subjects I have or the ability to think logically so I have been having a bit of fun.

          I also am of the opinion that this is a very critical time for our country and am doing what I can to support our President.

          • gator69 says:

            Careful Gail, supporting Trump may be considered a hate crime. Aren’t you on enough lists already? :-)

          • Disillusioned says:

            I was wondering about you Gail. I mostly lurk, but I am so glad to see you. This blog has a few regulars I count on reading. You are one. I have missed your comprehensive postings.

          • Squidly says:

            Way to go Gail !!!

            CTH is a great place. Keep supporting our President .. he’s doing a great job so far!


          • spren says:

            CTH used to be one of my go-to sites but I disagreed with one of Sundance’s posts so he banned me from the site.

            I appealed to him for a second chance but he wouldn’t allow it.

          • Steve Clough says:

            Gail, Your logical thinking must be from your Pittsford education.

          • Gail Combs says:

            “Your logical thinking must be from your Pittsford education.”

            I did get a great education there. Lots of science and math (Calc.) I had ZERO problems with the shift to college courses.

      • RAH says:

        According to Dr. Spencer, Harvey was releasing the equivalent to “1 million Hiroshima bombs per day”.
        There was a discussion at his blog over where the energy went. Seems the majority is expended mechanically driving the winds. Some is radiated to space and some is retained or deflected back down from the clouds.

        Now we have three storms of CAT III or higher spinning. Think of the energy they’re releasing!

        • Squidly says:

          It is interesting that in the areas affected by these hurricanes, the surrounding temperature drops dramatically, usually for several days afterward.

        • Andy says:

          Irma is bigger than every named storm so far this year combined by factor of 2 pn the atlantic side


          • RAH says:

            And now the Atlantic is very active while the Pacific and the southern hemisphere are very quiet. Thought this stuff was supposed to be GLOBAL!

          • AndyG55 says:

            What is unprecedented about Harvey and Irma?

            – US is in the heart of the hurricane season.

            -There was a 12 year stretch prior where no Major Hurricanes hit the US mainland…. that was unprecedented.

            – We’ve had a Gulf of Mexico hurricane into the Texas coast, now followed 2 weeks later by a Atlantic/Caribbean hurricane into Florida.

            Prior to the beginning of the Climate Change scam, this was pretty typical.

            It takes a weak uneducated mind to believe this is unprecedented, or affected in any way by trace CO2


  2. Garyh845 says:

    Hey Tony – great info. Don’t imaging anyone in the MSM will be interested in this – LOL.

    What do we know about SST’s along Irma’s track back in 1935, or the 1928 Okeechobee storm (it blew up into a major almost overnight).

    Wouldn’t it be curious if they were about the same as now – after all GT’s were probably about the same as now at the time.


  3. Gator69 says:

    Another alarmist fairy tale bites the dust, Syrian conflict and mass refugee exodus not due to climate change…

    “Global climate change is a very real challenge, and will undoubtedly have significant conflict and security consequences, but there is no good evidence that this is what was going on in this case. It is vital that experts, commentators and policymakers resist the temptation to make exaggerated claims about the conflict implications of climate change. Overblown claims not based on rigorous science only risk fueling climate scepticism.”

    How dare anyone risk fueling the scientific method! The Horror!

    • Anon says:

      As per the CIA in 1974 Global Cooling would cause terrorism:

      Decades before Sen. Bernie Sanders warned that global warming was driving terrorism, U.S. intelligence officials warned that global cooling would cause massive crop failures, destabilize government and drive violent conflict.

      A Central Intelligence Agency report from 1974 warned Earth’s “climate is returning to that of the neo-boreal era… an era of drought, famine, and political unrest in the western world.” The report cited famines in the Soviet Union, drought in Latin America and flooding in the U.S. as examples of how global cooling was wreaking havoc on countries.

      • arn says:

        I wonder what they will pull out of their butts
        when global warming dies-
        (maybe “global stagnation of temperatures&static climate”-as this never happened before it should be the biggest threat to humanity ever)
        But no matter what-it will create terrorists and need a global tax.

        btw-i still wonder about the cia logic.
        One day Achmad wakes up and says:”Well,darling.Today i’ll become a terrorist.Not because all the violent texts in our holy scriptures but because of global something-i forgott wether it is warming or cooling and maybe the scientists themselves don’t know but i’ll be a terrorist soon”

        Seems everything will create terrorists according to the cia
        and it seems that the infamous interview of Aaron Russo about terrorism is much closer to the truth than one may think.

  4. Gail Combs says:

    The senators who voted against the Harvey relief bill:
    Sens. Bob Corker, Steve Daines, Mike Enzi, Joni Ernst, Deb Fischer, Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham, Chuck Grassley, Ron Johnson, James Lankford, Mike Lee, John McCain, Jerry Moran, Rand Paul, James Risch, Ben Sasse, and Pat Toomey all voted against the bill.

    Three other Senators, Florida’s Marco Rubio, Alaska’s Dan Sullivan and New Jersey’s Bob Menendez, who is currently on trial for corruption and bribery, did not vote.

    The lawmakers who voted against the bill were by and large not against Harvey relief, but rather opposed to the government-funding provision that would allow the federal government to borrow enough money to avoid breaching the so-called “debt ceiling” for three months.

    Seems they had NO PROBLEM voting for Obama’s debt ceiling deal in 2013. Useless, Anti-American TRAITORS… sputter SPIT!

    • arn says:

      Maybe one should tell your politicians that there can not be a debt ceiling when you have unbacked fiat money controlled by the private Federal Reserve
      as there is always more debt that money((as interesst on debt is never printed)) and this debt can only be repaid by more debt(=exponential growth)

      “Funny thing” is:
      The same McCain who pretended to oppose Obama shared always the same Opinion with Obama-wonder which Party+People he really works for.

      Just like Victory Nuland(the woman that turned Ukraine into a shithole)-
      she worked for bush and then for obama.

      Or the Clintons who allowed North Korea to get the nuclear facilities by
      ABB-Rumsfeld being part of CEO’s at ABB at that time
      and after Bush took over he stopped oposing the Deal.

      Seems the inner state is one single party “creating” danger,terrorists
      with and other situations(with a remarkable long time strategy) they then will rescue us from((after taking guns away)

    • KTM says:

      You might want to double check your lists, there are quite a few who voted against both.

  5. Andy says:

    The predicted track has gone in 24 hours from going along the East coast of Florida to more the west. Hence why they say don’t rely on the tracks

    I like wunderground for giving a lot of info, but they always seem to be overegg the storm surge and possible bad effects. Nobody yet knows how bad it will be. If it goes more southerly then Cuba will take some of the sting out of it and it could be cat 2 or 3. If it goes north in the next 24 hours than could be cat 4 or maybe even 5 when hits Florida.

    We shall see.

    Current USA interior temps and 1935 temps have nothing to do with this current storm temp wise, co-incidence. Of far more significance is ocean temps, local atmosphere and how long it travels before interacting with land.


    • Squidly says:

      I completely disagree with your temperature theory. Go back and look at surrounding (system to system, ie: low next to high) atmospheric temperatures and you will see a distinct pattern. The greater the temperature gradient between systems, the greater the potential for an active atmosphere (ie: storms). It is, as Tony depicts here, the severity of the gradient that creates weather. This is has been well known for centuries. Certainly SST’s have a role, but you must have an active atmosphere in order to spark the storms. The greater the gradient, the greater the chance and severity of the storms.

      A cool planet is an atmospherically active planet, as the temperature gradients become greater. A cool atmosphere also creates more thunderstorms and tornadoes. That data shows this.

  6. Andy says:

    Quote Tony “After the quietest decade for US hurricanes on record”

    Now the strongest week on record ……

    Harvey, Irma and Jose all reached Cat. 4+ status – 1st time on record 3 consecutive Atlantic named storms have reached Cat. 4+


    The Atlantic has generated more Accumulated Cyclone Energy today than any other day on record. Old record was 9/11/1961. #Irma #Jose #Katia

    So we have Harvey, Jose , Irma and Katia all in in short succession.

    Does it mean anything for AGW? No. Not proven. It is interesting though.


    • Griff says:


      Was there a cat 4 in Texas in 1935?
      did another cat 4 follow the 1935 hurricane thru the Caribbean?

      I don’t think soi, so this is surely a worse case than 1935.

      Perhaps we should be looking at ‘why’ rather than trying to prove ‘it isn’t the worse’ or its just the same’

      • AndyG55 says:

        When was the last period of 12 or so years WITHOUT a major hurricane, grifftard?


        • arn says:

          When for such a long time(12 years) no relevant
          hurricanes appear,then the ocean has stored a lot more energy and need a valve to be released.
          Therefore- long calm periods follow shorter strong periods.

      • RAH says:

        If you could actually do a little research yourself instead of being spoon fed all the time, you might actually get on foot in reality. I know I’m asking for the impossible though even though Wiki or NOAA could provide the answers for you if you bothered to look. Their historical hurricane data is excellent.

        There is no trend in strikes on the United States and over all hurricane incidence and severity over the longer term. 2005 was a record year and an anomaly just as having 3 majors going at the same time is now.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Oh look !!

        CO@ UP

        Hurricanes.. ternding DOWN

        Poor griff.

        FACTS are always your enema..

        goes with your childish bed-wetting, just smells more.

      • Jimmy Haigh says:

        Why? It’s hurricane season.

  7. gofer says:

    Great article from Dr. Thresher…..

    “The article calls for the defunding of the climate change institute NASA GISS where I was a climate scientist for 7 years.

    Back yesterday, I was reading climate news and saw the nomination by President Trump on September 1 of Jim Bridenstine to be Administrator of NASA. Bridenstine is a global warming skeptic who wants to cut global warming research funding. Go Jim and if you need help let me know.

    In particular, I instigated a NASA OIG investigation of Gavin Schmidt, current head of NASA GISS anointed by previous head James Hansen, for violation of the Federal Records Act and the Hatch Act.]”

    Read the rest….

    • sunsettommy says:

      Robert Jastrow,the founder of GISS wanted to support NASA on space outreach.

      It was not created to have GISStemp, or to push carbon capture and other dam things.

  8. Gail Combs says:

    Sundance has a decent update talking about “A topography changing event.”
    He lives in florida and went through Hurricane Andrew, in the area around Homestead AFB.
    Understanding the Unique Challenge to South Florida During Irma…

  9. Gail Combs says:

    Michael Lowry
    ✔ @MichaelRLowry

    An instrument dropped last hour by Hurricane Hunters to measure the ocean profile around #Irma found 88 degree waters ahead ?
    6:14 PM – Sep 8, 2017

    That is WARM Water!

    • Griff says:

      yes… what could possibly account for that?

    • RAH says:

      “yes… what could possibly account for that?”

      WEATHER! Were talking about the northern edge of the tropical zone or very close to it after all in what is known as the Subtropics. Water there is supposed to be warm, especially now after a whole summer of direct insolation.

      There is a reason why so many people from temperate zones and the great white north retire down there! What could possibly account for that?

      • arn says:

        I already pointed out several times that the members of the AGW cult are praying for desasters,colleteral damage and catastrophies
        to prove their point.

        They have been wrong ,not for years,but decades
        now everything they can use they will hang on to everything that supports their agenda.

        Now They will feed on this unusual hurricanes
        for decades and pretend that it is absolute prove for global warming,
        while they ignored for many yeary the unusual absence of hurricanes and pretendet that this means nothing.

        They are so corrupt that they will ignore many years
        but consider a few days as proof.
        (while in fact we had this year the problem that the temperature was just not as balanced as it normally is.
        To cold in the northern parts,to hot in the southern parts-
        this usually will end in strong stormy days when both weatherfronts meet )

  10. RAH says:

    The 1893 hurricane season saw 4 hurricanes all spinning at the same time:

  11. RAH says:

    Well if the current track holds, things aren’t looking too good for the family vacation home down in Port Charlotte. We have preliminary plans to take an extended weeks vacation there come February but now I’m beginning to wonder if it will be there since the current track shows Irma going right over it. The house sits on a channel that leads to the bay and is not on any coast. This year a swimming pool with bug cage covering as one often sees down there at homes was installed and integrated into what was once the Lanai. Wondering if how those things do in strong winds?

    • Gail Combs says:

      From what Sundance is say it looks really really bad.

      Storm Surge PLUS High Tide = OH SH!T!!!!

      5:00am Hurricane Irma – Alert For West Coast Tidal Storm Surge…

      He thinks they are down playing the danger or at least people do not comprehend the danger. Irma is back to CAT 5 too.

      He seems to be part of the local rescue types and is in that area.

      • gator69 says:

        I no longer have relatives in south Florida, but my Tampa area and north relations are not concerned at this point. Hurricane shutters are up, generators are ready, and the hunkering will begin shortly.

        My grandfather was credited with saving many lives during a hurricane that struck Belize September 10th, 1931.

      • RAH says:

        I’m thinking the sea wall at our place will be adequate but we are at the far end of a channel and it could top over the end and come around. The sea bottom along the majority of the west coast of Florida rises very gradually. In many places one has to go out 20 miles to get to water 20-25′ deep.

        My neighbor has a brother that lives in an unanchored mobile home right on the shore of lake Okeechobee. He refuses to leave because he is caring for a woman that is in very poor health and feels she can’t be moved. Despite being warned by everybody and his brother to get out he is staying. The further west this monster tracks the more likely it will be they will both survive.
        I suspect such situations are not uncommon in what is affectionately known as “Gods waiting room” because so many people from the temperate zone and the great white north coming from all income levels go down the Florida to retire.

      • RAH says:

        Found out the hurricane shutters are up at our place. The neighbors on each side which are permanent residents are staying put and so will be around.

  12. RAH says:

    Nice map.

    Run the elevation bar on the right hand side up to about 9,000 m and one can see the weather features that have been affecting or are effecting the track of Irma.
    The “trough” or low pressure with powerful winds flowing in an arc down SE over Arkansas then turning E over Mississippi then NE over Alabama is what is supposed to turn Irma to the north into Florida. Back to the west of Irma one will see the high pressure area or “ridge” that followed along going west north of the storm as it came across the western Atlantic and kept it south instead of turning north sooner. It is also the feature that is helping to keep hurricane Jose south.
    I’m no meteorologist but I have been watching what they’ve been saying about why Irma is behaving the way it is since before it was even a hurricane and that is part of what I have gathered.

  13. gofer says:

    Live Cam in Key West where cruise ships dock……

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