Science : Cold Is The New Hot

A loop in the jet stream brought record cold to places like Colorado and the UK over the past week, while bringing milder air to a small section of the Arctic.

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Geniuses in the scientific community and press immediately blamed the cold weather on an overheated atmosphere.

Global warming causes freezing blast in Europe – scientists | Newshub

A few days ago, during the record cold winter Olympics, these same experts said global warming was making it too hot for the Olympics. For climate fraudsters, cold and hot are indistinguishable.

My favorite Australian climate fraudster (Peter Hannam) says -10C at the North Pole is actually 0C, and it is really hot. He also said that the Polar Vortex moving south is caused by global warming.

‘Really extreme’ global weather event leaves scientists aghast

The graph in his article was taken distorted from the DMI graphs below, which shows that temperatures were no where near the melting point, and that during the summer melt season (the only time the ice could actually melt) temperatures near the pole were below normal every single day last summer.

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/meanTarchive/meanT_2018.png

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/meanTarchive/meanT_2017.png

Forty years ago, scientists blamed the polar vortex, loops in the jest stream, cold, and extreme weather on global cooling. Now they blame the exact same things on global warming.

TIME Magazine Archive Article — Another Ice Age? — Jun. 24, 1974

When the jet stream makes large loops in the winter, cold air moves south, and milder air moves moves towards the pole.  Milder winter temperatures near the pole have nothing to do with global warming.

National Geographic : 1977 Dec, Page 822

The Arctic Ocean was ice-free 6,000 years ago when CO2 levels were 280 PPM.

Less Ice In Arctic Ocean 6000-7000 Years Ago — ScienceDaily

Scientists reported ten degrees warming in the Arctic when CO2 was below 310 PPM.

31 May 1947 – TEMPERATURES RISING IN ARCTIC REGION

It is completely irrational to blame cold on heat, and to believe North Pole winters could be heated by the greenhouse effect. The sun doesn’t shine at the North Pole in winter, so there can’t be a greenhouse effect. Greenhouses require sunlight to operate.

Twenty years ago scientists said “we don’t get cold snowy winters any more because of global warming.”  Now they say “cold, snowy winters are caused by global warming.” Climate science has become one massive lie, based on the need to maintain funding. It has nothing to do with climate, or science any more. And Democrats like Sheldon Whitehouse from Rhode Island want to criminalize scientific dissent, because it threatens their big lie about climate.

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85 Responses to Science : Cold Is The New Hot

  1. UKjohn says:

    Surely any heat that has found its way to the arctic during the winter months of total darkness has gone there to die.
    Therefore shouldn’t the alarmists being worried as this is a Global cooling event of great proportions.

    • arn says:

      The reason that heat was able to “find” its way to the arctic was
      that a huge coldfront left the arctic before.
      Such huge movements create gaps and bumps are filled by warmer weather.An eternal process.
      “Strange” somehow that those science guys only care about warm anomalies(no matter how small)and declare the new normal+proof
      but ignore the cold anomalies.

      • jonas brinker says:

        No climate scientist refers to any weather condition as “proof” That is your misapprehension. However the climate is being closely monitored and showing unusual patterns such as the hottest recordings in the arctic for 40 years and the unusual cold spell currently embracing europe. We will not know if these anomalies represent climate change trends until the climate is monitored over a longer period.

        • tonyheller says:

          Total BS

        • AndyG55 says:

          “hottest recordings in the arctic for 40 years “

          WHOOPY-DOOO !

          and

          So ****ing what !!

        • Fred Z says:

          Then I guess there are no climate scientists, because they refer to weather conditions as proof EVERY SINGLE DAY.

          BTW, anomalies occur and have occurred all the time since the beginning of time. There is nothing new or startling about them.

    • Patrick says:

      Here’s a “yah butt” from the Washington Post : https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/north-pole-surges-above-freezing-in-the-dead-of-winter-stunning-scientists/ar-BBJCSJu?ocid=spartandhp

      It seems the North Pole Region is ready to set the world on fire again.

      • --B-- says:

        I had to stop reading that article where computer modeling now defined reality. So their model said it was above freezing but their model hasn’t actually been tested by measuring the region in question. It’s worthless but is presented as fact.

        • arn says:

          marxism at its best.

          You know the guy who could create things that were supposed to work perfectly in theory
          (while being unable to even knock a nail in a wall)and absolutely failed in real life.
          (though some argue he did it on purpose as every supercentralisation leads eventually to tyranny)

        • Patrick says:

          Thanks –B–! You confirmed the obvious.

          Washington Post is doubling down on their ignorance in reporting.

  2. DAVE says:

    Spot on! I wonder if they broke some records in Rome with their snow?

  3. Simon Platt says:

    You’re right, of course.

    But I wonder what happens on the underside of sea ice? Presumably, if temperatures are cold enough, the ice thickens from below. If so, might it not get thinner, melting from below, if surface temperatures were less cold?

    • tonyheller says:

      Arctic ice is much thicker than it was ten years ago.

      • Simon Platt says:

        Oh, quite. I don’t doubt that Arctic ice is thicker than it was (and I appreciate that it moves around, that the patterns are complex, etc.) And I like the work you do explaining this. I just wonder whether it isn’t possible for ice to get thinner from the bottom even if the top surface is below freezing.

        It is a sincere question.

        • That would only happen if warmer waters intruded.

          • Simon Platt says:

            Thank you. I think I understand that. But isn’t that normal, at least in the North Atlantic? And isn’t there heat in the ocean that could affect the underside of the ice even without such an intrusion?

            I have no wish to disrupt the thread and will stop now. If anyone has a reference to help me, that would be welcome.

          • AndyG55 says:

            North Atlantic temperatures are dropping rapidly.

            AMO is turning back down.

            The period of highly beneficial ice decrease, partially opening up small areas of the Arctic for transport, fishing , commerce, recreation etc, is basically over.

        • Robertv says:

          It is the ice preventing the arctic ocean losing all its ‘heat’ in winter isolating it from the cold.

      • Andy says:

        Link please

        Andy

      • Andy says:

        And what is the extent like Tony compared to 10 years back at this time? A lot lower

        https://imgur.com/a/0Iz1I

        Your thoughts on why extent is so low but ice thickness is so high according to you?

        Any data?

        Andy

        • Gator says:

          Your thoughts on why extent is so low but ice thickness is so high according to you?

          It’s called nature. It happens. Do you question a sunrise?

        • AndyG55 says:

          “Your thoughts on why extent is so low but ice thickness is so high according to you? “

          OMG , WHY do you always post such ignorance?

          Just think “jet stream” and winds. !

        • AndyG55 says:

          lots more old ice.

          • AndyG55 says:

            2008 on left, 2018 on right.

            Try changing your view % to read it, or that is a larger one down the bottom of the thread

          • sunsettommy says:

            You have a link for this?

          • AndyG55 says:

            http://www.aari.ru/odata/_d0015.php?lang=1

            I get two windows the same size open, select the required date on one of them , then cut paste the sections I require. (they do weekly, so sometimes dates can’t be matched exactly, but in this case I got lucky.)

            Hope that helps.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Another hint.

            If you make sure you capture images at the same scale exactly (go full screen on two identical monitors, for eg), then you can save as bit-map, and use colour pixel count software and compare separate areas. ( I prefer to convert to a greyscale or palette first, seems to give easier to decipher counts)

            Its tedious, and in this case the difference is pretty obvious.

    • Kris Johanson says:

      Simon – it’s been rightly pointed out on this forum time and again that any credible analysis of Arctic ice should be talking about HEAT, not TEMPERATURE, and should be taking into account HEAT and MASS balances over a sufficiently wide area – including heat emanating from the earth’s crust, volcanos, movement of water in and out, and of course the atmosphere. In addition, the BTU’s represented by Arctic sea ice is so miniscule in the overall scope of things that even if it all melted it wouldn’t even register. Or putting it another way, an increase in ocean temperature of 1/1000ths of a degree (I did the calcs a long time ago, it’s an easy number to ball-park) would be sufficient to melt it all. That’s why, in my opinion, the other side trots it out as exhibit ‘A’ all the time

    • EllBee says:

      Simon Platt – Once again Tony Heller is lying to you when he says below, “Arctic ice is much thicker than it was ten years ago.” The thickest ice in the Arctic is also the oldest. These two links demonstrate in no uncertain terms what is happening each year to that old ice!

      https://www.climate.gov/news-features/videos/old-ice-arctic-vanishingly-rare

      https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/2017-arctic-report-card-arctic-sea-ice-keeps-getting-younger-and

      • sunsettommy says:

        EllBee, quotes Tony:

        “Arctic ice is much thicker than it was ten years ago.”

        But then flogs him by posting links that covers years from 1985-2017, a 32 year period, while Tony stated a TEN year year period.

        Tony has long showed the decline in arctic ice since the late 1980’s in a few previous postings, which you never read…. apparently.

        You are a dishonest boy.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Poor Ellbee, you are displaying the normal AGW sympathiser IGNORANCE about Arctic sea ice.

        You do know that the late 1970s was a period of EXTREME high levels of sea ice, don’t you.?

        You do know that even after the highly beneficial drop in sea ice extent since then (levelled off, now starting to thicken again) it is still above what it has been for 90-95% of the last 10,000 years., don’t you?

        The ONLY period sea ice extent has been higher than now is during the Little Ice Age ( the late 1970s was up with those extremes), which was the COLDEST period in 10,000 years

        https://s19.postimg.org/bkgbf2prn/Icelandic_sea_ice_index_2.png

        Educate yourself to the REALITY, or continue to look like a NIL-educated fool.

      • AndyG55 says:

        I would trust the Russians on Arctic sea ice far more than the twisted AGW priesthood.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Russian data shows Tony is totally correct.

  4. Robertv says:

    Shouldn’t they be glad it makes things of the past return to the U.K. ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/live-more-travel-chaos-as-heavy-snow-hits-uk-11269371

    LIVE: Hundreds of schools shut as heavy snow hits UK

    At least these kids can tell their grandkids that winter was much colder when they were young in 2018.

  5. Far from being unprecedented, they had a very similar Arctic temp spike in March 1976:

    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/02/26/its-called-weather-george/

  6. John of Cloverdale WA says:

    As they say in frigid France Monsieur Heller, touché.

  7. Bob Hoye says:

    How cold will the jet-stream flows to inhabited regions be when the DMI temp returns to the mean?
    I still think the number is higher than it should be.

    • Ernest Bush says:

      The DMI temp is a model based on assumptions. I would be slow to give it high marks for accuracy as it is only as good as the data input.

  8. jackson says:

    Data scientists (aka statisticians) do analysis on data.
    Each analysis is an experiment (‘what is the best way to analyze the data?’ is a question with many possible answers).
    These experiments are run by unblinded experimenters.
    Unblinded experimenters tend to see what they are looking for (hence the need to blind the experimenters when possible).

    You give an example.

    • Andy says:

      “Unblinded experimenters tend to see what they are looking for ”

      As do unblinded web surfers finding a blog that fits their own viewpoint and end up more like sheep that questioning laymen scientists?

      Andy

  9. Mohatdebos says:

    Did I miss the reports that “scientists” had retracted their studies that showed skiing was threatened in the U.S. because of global warming. Or, am I missing studies that conclude that global warming will result in both less snow and more snow.

  10. CheshireRed says:

    The Guardian has gone off-the-scale bonkers, not to mention the small fact they appear to have converted weather into climate. Readers BTL comments are hysterical.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/27/arctic-warming-scientists-alarmed-by-crazy-temperature-rises

  11. RickS says:

    “Climate science has become one massive lie” ?

    Yes it is, the most “Pathological” LIE IN “HUMAN” HISTORY !

    The only “greater” lie (Most Massive) is yet to come, but it is coming “QUICKLY”, that is why the World is now being exposed to incredibly massive lies in preparation for the REALLY [ BIG-ONE ], the lie-of-all-lies !!!

    Which explains why I always hit back on Marxists/Progressives/Liberals/Democrats with the following…

    “How can Satan, cast out Satan ???”

    These people are [ INCREDIBLY ] dumb (Stupid x 10,000), just like their “Father” believing that some how they can win this battle, against the UNBEATABLE…

    HOW-FRICKIN-STUPID ??? !

    But I think that I’ve already said that !

    StupiOn

  12. TRM says:

    I love that first picture with its captions! Says it all. I’ve pasted it everywhere I find the alarmists going off.

  13. EllBee says:

    Tony Heller – As usual, whether you are deliberately lying or not, you are wrong in your discussion of Arctic temperatures above. You state, “My favorite Australian climate fraudster (Peter Hannam) says -10C at the North Pole is actually 0C, and it is really hot.” I read the article you referred to and he said no such thing! (link at the bottom)

    Referencing Hannam’s article, you said, “He also said that the Polar Vortex moving south is caused by global warming.” Again, you are wrong, he said no such thing. What he did say about the Polar Vortex was, “The so-called Polar Vortex – a zone of persistient low-pressure that typically keeps high-latitude cold air separate from regions further south – has been weakening for decades.”

    You then go on to state, “The graph in his article was taken distorted from the DMI graphs below, which shows that temperatures were no where near the melting point,…” Again you are wrong. He used the same dataset as in the DMI graphs and arrived at the same results. Look at the two graphs again, this time with your glasses on! The only difference is in the presentation.

    “…and that during the summer melt season (the only time the ice could actually melt) temperatures near the pole were below normal every single day last summer.” Referring to the second DMI graph, what part of the red line in the 2017 graph don’t you understand? These graphs are averaged over the whole of the Arctic, not just “near the pole”. Just eyeballing the graph, I’d have to say that the Arctic averaged above zero temperatures for roughly 75 days, would you agree? If you have a separate, single source for the North Pole then show it!

    I’m sure none of this matters in the interest of truth, honesty and integrity to you or your misguided and misinformed followers. None of them have taken the time to read any of the referenced material you used in your misinformation campaign, including you it seems, and I seriously doubt they are willing to take a chance in acquiring genuine knowledge on the subject which might cause them discomfort by impinging on their comfort zone. I will, however, close with the following four links on the off chance that someone’s intellectual curiosity will be piqued! Hopefully it won’t cause you to lose any paid subscribers or fossil fuel industry sponsors if that is how you pay for your photographic endeavors. That, I must admit, you do do well!

    The first graph referenced above can be found here along with several others by the same author.

    http://sites.uci.edu/zlabe/arctic-temperatures/

    The two graphs reproduced above from the DMI (Danish Meteorology Institute) are 2017 and 2018 respectively

    http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/meanTarchive/meanT_2017.png
    http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/meanTarchive/meanT_2018.png

    For anybody truly intellectually challenged by Tony’s b..s in regards to the current state of Arctic Sea Ice Extent, I offer this page!

    http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php

    • tonyheller says:

      Moron alert . ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑

      • EllBee says:

        Tony Heller – As John Heywood (1546) once said, “There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know.”

        • sunsettommy says:

          Ha ha ha,

          you accused him of lying when he was being SARCASTIC.

          He never made it a quote at all, quoting Tony:

          “My favorite Australian climate fraudster (Peter Hannam) says -10C at the North Pole is actually 0C, and it is really hot. He also said that the Polar Vortex moving south is caused by global warming.”

          In the actual article this was stated:

          “To have zero degrees at the North Pole in February – it’s just wrong,” said Amelie Meyer, a researcher of ice-ocean interactions with the Norwegian Polar Institute. “It’s quite worrying.”

          The so-called Polar Vortex – a zone of persistient low-pressure that typically keeps high-latitude cold air separate from regions further south – has been weakening for decades.”

          Ha ha ha, the handwringing over a rare event called weather.

          What you and apparently them scientists seem to miss it that incoming warm energy leaving the planet via the Arctic is a COOLING event.

          There were long periods of time during the current interglacial period with little to zero summer ice in the arctic region, yet the Polar Bears and Seals are still here, Humans still around and the planet was not destroyed.

          Heck even during all that time CO2 was around the 260-280 ppm the entire time.

          Your ignorance is obvious.

          • Andy says:

            “What you and apparently them scientists seem to miss it that incoming warm energy leaving the planet via the Arctic is a COOLING event.”

            Very bad English grammar and not too sure what “warm energy leaving the planet” means.

            Can you explain further? Perhaps cold energy leaving the planet is more applicable in the Arctic winter :)

            Andy

          • sunsettommy says:

            You really can’t understand what “Warm Energy” is?

            The article and even EllBee thinks there was a warm temperature spike in the arctic region.

            Hannum, EllBee and others seem to imply large area of the arctic, while Tony shows it was small area of the arctic that was got warm.

            You are looking stupid now.

        • sunsettommy says:

          You are the one who is IGNORANT over what Tony has presented about the Arctic the last few years in this blog.

          He long ago showed that the Artic lost a lot of multi- year ice between the late 1980’s to the late 1990’s mainly during the wintertime, using NCAR animation showing the decline, which just happens to match quite well with the AMO changes.

          Many long time readers already know this. You are a loudmouth newcomber jerk who never seen them.

          It is YOU who is blind by your ignorance over what Tony really thinks about the Arctic.

      • sunsettommy says:

        Agree that he is a moron as his FOUR links doesn’t support his trolling misleading bullcrap.

        He seems to have forgotten the headline you wrote,

        “Science : Cold Is The New Hot”

        and the first paragraph you wrote:

        “A loop in the jet stream brought record cold to places like Colorado and the UK over the past week, while bringing milder air to a small section of the Arctic.”

        a very small section of the arctic as the posted map shows.

        A typically misleading dishonest baloney that only dishonest warmists can conjure up to maintain their stupid AGW propaganda.

        • Andy says:

          total content of a scientific repost in this post is

          approx ZERO.

          Andu

          • sunsettommy says:

            EllBee, was misleading and dishonest with his screed.

            First of all Tony was being SARCASTIC. Here is what a The Newshub Headline says,

            Global warming causes freezing blast in Europe – scientists

            Hannum’ own headline is,

            “Really extreme’ global weather event leaves scientists aghast”

            You are so full of shit Andy!

      • Andy says:

        Very scientific reply. And you call this real climate SCIENCE?

        If the post was scientifically on thin ice ( pardon the pun) then at least take time to undermine it.

        Cheers

        Andy

        • AndyG55 says:

          EMPTY mindless non-science from little-mind Andy , as always.

          Keep displaying you WOEFUL IGNORANCE, little trollette.

          Its all you have.

    • sunsettommy says:

      That very first graph shows it was well below freezing the whole time, the warmest was about MINUS 9C :

      You write,

      “The first graph referenced above can be found here along with several others by the same author.”

      http://sites.uci.edu/zlabe/files/2018/02/dmi_temp_80N.png

      Stop making a fool of yourself.

    • sunsettommy says:

      EllBee,

      You two charts for years 2017- 2018 actually shows well below freezing temperature the entire time.

      Tony has showed these DMI temperature charts in posting many times the last few years. There have always been some big warm spikes during the winter time.

      You dishonest in the extreme.

      • Andy says:

        “You dishonest in the extreme.”

        It’s “Your”
        Can someone teach you how to do the 3 R’s such as reading and writing before you get onto bigger matters such as global climate science.

        At least proof check your post before you start hitting the keys with your knuckles.

        Cheers

        Andy

        • sunsettommy says:

          Andy,

          Why don’t you kindly FUCK OFF with your grammar Nazi bullshit!

          It was a mistake leaving a letter off them, which everyone including YOU have made in the past.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Little-mind Andy, you should check posts for arrogance brought about by ignorance.

          Then you would never post again.

        • Bigalzpa says:

          Someone tell Andy that it’s “You’re” not “Your” Maybe someone can teach him “how to do the 3 R’s”

        • AndyG55 says:

          “It’s “Your””

          roflmao !!

          little-andy tries to correct.. and GETS IT WRONG.

          Ignorance runs very deep with little-andy, almost as deep as his misplaced arrogance. Poor little trollette.

          It should be You’re, an abbreviation of “you are”

    • AndyG55 says:

      Russain Charts prove TH is CORRECT.

  14. Andy says:

    I don’t like that DMI graph at all as always fluctuates too much before the summer.

    Best to use other sources and look at the extent, which is really low …….

    Andy

    • Gator says:

      Best to use other sources and look at the extent, which is really low …….

      Not for an interglacial. Did you hit your head again Andy?

    • AndyG55 says:

      Your IGNORANCE to the fore, yet again , little andy.

      Arctic sea ice is above what it has been for some 90-95% of the last 10,000 years.

      You have been shown these facts MANY times, but remain, as always, WILFULLY IGNORANT.

  15. Andy says:

    Whats the global sea ice cover extent in 2018?

    https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent

    Record low

    Explain that.

    Andy

  16. sunsettommy says:

    Notice that EllBee, ignored the two DMI maps showing that there is an increase in sea ice thickness, from 2008 to 2018:

    Latest Arctic Fraud From NOAA

    https://realclimatescience.com/2018/02/latest-arctic-fraud-from-noaa/

    He decides to try proving Tony wrong by using a wholly different resolution map, that covers a 10,000 year time frame using PROXIES, while Tony has the infernal gall to use a TEN year time frame using credible real satellite DATA.

    Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

  17. AndyG55 says:

    Russian Charts comparing same date 2008 and 2018

    TH is PROVEN CORRECT, as always.

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