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We are in the hands of lunatics. This is who we let drive the bus. The downside of groupthink.
Election fraud must be stopped or democracy will be over and feudalism will be back!
It’s both amazing and very dismaying, Margaret, how few people have a clue about what you are saying. They see themselves as enlightened and evolved progressives. They fail to see that the policies they promote are actually regressive and if implemented will return us to a state of feudalism.
‘Climate change’ (sic) consistently polls at the bottom of Americans’ concerns. Sooner or later, Climate change/we hate Trump has got to diminish the unDemocrat Party.
Though I expected something sooner than now. I blame John Boehner and Paul Ryan. RINO establishment creeps, who made the Republicans appear to be little different than unDemocrats. Why vote Republican when you are just going to get SSDD?
I’m a loyal and regular visitor. Mostly in full agreement. But being opposed to Israel’s vicious behaviour in the region does not make me or anyone else with that view…
‘anti-Semitic’.
Palestinians are ‘Semitic’.
So for the sake of technical accuracy and your own credibility how about you walk that one back?
Nor do I support looney Islamists…in case you might wrongly deduce that from my comment.
Shalom.
Modern Israel was created as a homeland for Jews who were being ethnically cleansed from Europe. The day Israel was formed, Arabs vowed to drive the Jews into the sea, and they tried over and over again. They have committed countless terror attacks in Israel.
Jews have no intention of being exterminated, and have killed far fewer Arabs than Americans have. Twenty percent of the population of Israel is Arab. So take your anti-Semitic PBS propaganda somewhere else.
Having an opinion is not ‘propaganda’ Tony.
You sound angry and resentful when someone disagrees with you…what’s that all about?
Uh…who was ‘ethnically cleansing’ Jews from Europe in 1947 Tony?
You’re starting to worry me now….
And I live in Australia…so PBS isn’t really much of a thing here!
Chuck, you really need to stop commenting while on a bender.
The Jews were at the mercy of governments that had no ties to their religion, and the Jews have been persecuted for thousands of years. 1947 was just two years after the Jews had been forced into ovens and poison gas chambers, and they can be excused if they were a little paranoid. Israel gave Jews the opportunity to pursue their own destiny, with a government made for and of Jews, for the first time in 2000 years.
Enough of the ignorant anti-Semitic BS Chuck.
Obviously Charles is a Jew hater. Possibly a Holocaust denier? A lot of those around in Europe. How far do you live from Braunau am Inn
Charles.
So…no one was ‘ethnically cleansing’ Jews from Europe in 1947 then?
Thanks for confirming that.
Thanks for confirming that you are a bigot, Chuck.
The fact that you ignore thousands of years of history, and cherry pick one year, means you too could be a climate expert.
There were far fewer Jews left after the Holocaust Chuck, about two thirds were murdered by people you seem to ignore, and dare I say maybe admire? The ethnic cleansing had already begun, again. Why do you ignore thousands of years of history Chuck? Hate Jews much?
Thanks for confirming you are a bigot, Chuck.
The fact that you ignore thousands of years of history, and cherry pick one year, means you too could be a climate expert.
Hey Gaytor…let me give you some ‘numbers’ on the Israel/Palestine conflict.
After Israel’s unilateral disengagement from Gaza in 2005, and following on the joint Israeli-Egyptian blockade of the Gaza Strip since 2007, several military operations have been conducted against the area, including Operation Cast Lead in 2008, in which 1,417 Palestinians and 13 Israelis died,
At the bombing of Hiroshima. a quarter of a million Japanese died, and zero AmericAns died. Take your ugly anti-Semitic NPR propaganda somewhere else.
Wow. Muslim propaganda said three years and 1417 dead. Is that more or less than seven million? And is three years more or less than four thousand years?
Only intelligent people know. Ask somebody you know who has a chalk board Chuck, and maybe they can explain it to you.
There weren’t many left Chuck. Why do you ignore thousands of years of history? Hate Jews much?
Charles Nelson,
A.) Stalin was still in power, and he was not kind to the Jews of Russia.
B.) You yourself need to do some research of feelings towards Jews in 1947. Have you actually done any?
C.) Jewish history is full of examples of times the Jews failed to live up to the dictates of their own religion. Over and over they have faced ruin after ruin. But seemingly they fall back on their guiding commandments. (Which the USA is built upon, as is Christianity, and even Islam, believe it or not.) Often it is against all odds, but few people have bounced back the way the Jews have. Their very survival is based on a moral code that is so full of benefits that they have survived three thousand years of attempts to wipe them from the face of the earth.
D.) How was it Jews were hated? It was often because the benefits of the Jewish moral code placed them in positions that others desired, but lacked the morality to achieve. Bankers and doctors and lawyers were often Jews who, perhaps trained by the harsh facts of survival, had the stamina to do the hard work needed to achieve such positions. In Germany they were only around 2% of the population, but Hitler could say they “controlled” things and were to blame for Germany losing the First World War. Likewise Stalin was paranoid about Jewish power (and every any other person who gained any sort of power) and, because he noticed all the communist officials he didn’t “liquidate” himself got sick and died, despite his lack of “help” in that direction, he assumed the fact they died must have something to do with the doctors they sought. (Most trained doctors were Jewish in Russia.) This led to an absurd situation. When Stalin himself had a stroke Russia’s foremost expert on strokes (a Jew) was being questioned by the secret police. (The Jewish doctor wrote some humorous stuff about how the questions he was being asked suddenly changed.)
E.) The history of Jews in Europe witnessed pogr0m after pogrom. Because their moral code made them wise with money they could be rich, and kings wanted them and their money, but when the king could not repay his debt he was always tempted to simply murder them. Also Jewish households tended to be clean, and have few fleas and rats which carried the plague, and when people noticed they got the plague, and Jews didn’t, the solution seemed simple: Blame the Jews for the plague and kill them. After being treated in such a manner for century after century I don’t think any should blame Jews for distrusting non-Jews.
In fact the audacity you display, simply by asking whether any were harming Jews in 1947, seems to punctuate your gross ignorance about what the Jewish people had endured.
E.) Why should the Jews of 1947 have had a shred of faith in the ability of non-Jews to behave towards them in a civil manner? Despite the hell Hitler had put Europe through, there were still those who blamed Jews. Study history. Some blamed Jews for the evil Hitler enacted. Amazing, but fact.
I don’t blame Jews if they don’t trust non-Jews, and want some small spot on the planet where they are no longer the minority, and are no longer treated like a scapegoat, or like toilet paper after the policies of the majority have turned into excrement.
F.) In theory it might be nice if we all got along, but we don’t. You probably wouldn’t get along with me, and you’d like to have a home where you didn’t have to put up with me. The Zionist movement and the creation of Israel was basically that. Jews wanted a rather small place on planet earth where Jews could be Jews and not be a visitor, a guest, a minority, an illegal alien.
G.) The creation of the state of Israel was immediately met by an Arab determination to wipe them off the map. To drive them into the sea. To commit genocide. This has continued from 1948 to this day.
H.) I hope you can see how limp your faux-spirituality appears, against the cruel reality of facts. You display amazing stupidity with your talk about how Jews and Arabs are both “Semites.” It is like saying Jews and Nazis are both “Europeans”. You are right, in that we are all children of the same Creator, and you are right if you are suggesting we would be more spiritual if we all got along. But we don’t. There are some among us who do not chose to love, and would rather hate, and murder, even if it involves genocide. Sad to say, but Jews are well acquainted with this truth.
I.) Truth, at its best, is ravishingly beautiful. It is woven into the tapestry of the commandments that has allowed the Jews survive attempts to exterminate them for over three millennium. However it also appears in the humble honesty of this site.
This site prefers honesty, and hard truth, over propaganda. We prefer the raw data over the “adjusted
data.” We understand the beauty of pure truth, but also face an ugly truth: Some “adjust” the reality to achieve their own ends. They are little different from a pervert who seeks to rape a teenager. Their “ends” justify their “means”. They seduce with poetry and think their foul rape will make them happy, and then, when it doesn’t, they seek to blame someone else. (For example, socialism has ruined oil-rich Venezuela, but not a socialist among them admits they made a mistake.) (For another example, when Mao’s “Great Leap Forward” was an unmitigated disaster, with 20 million dead of starvation, he blamed “revisionists” and embarked upon the huger stupidity of the “Cultural Revolution,” with all its horror.)
In other words, at this site we prefer Truth to lame excuses.
Charles, when you presume to lecture our host at this site, even while saying you enjoy his site, I think you have underestimated how much he has studied, and over estimate how much you yourself know.
(By the way, I myself am not Jewish, but do admire the ancient morality that has led to their survival.)
7,000,000 thumbs up.
To equate what the Israelis do to defend themselves and their tiny slice of territory from the murderous jackals who have vowed to exterminate them, with those same murderous jackals, is as ridiculously inane and as completely ignorant of history as it gets.
So the Israelis are viscous, synonymous with “deliberately cruel or violent”, “wild”, “dangerous”, and “immoral”.
But the Islamists are merely “loony”? Synonymous with “silly” or “eccentric”?
Is that it?
That is how you see things, Charles?
And you have to nerve to raise the subject of credibility?
Menicholas,
Your reasoning is imperialistic and reactionary.
Loony comes from Lunatic…normally used to describe insane people.
But you did not say lunatic, or describe the murderous jackals as vicious.
You used a cartoon word.
This is vicious:
This is looney:
During the operation, four Israeli civilians and one soldier were killed by Palestinian rocket fire, according to Palestinian Centre for Human Rights 158 Palestinians had been killed, of which: 102 were civilians, 55 militants and one was policeman.
what do you reckon…vicious or looney?
I reckon “Palestinians” are pretty f’ing stupid. Throwing rocks at people armed with automatic weapons is not exactly rock-et science. Besides, the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights is a pack of anti-Semitic liars, so nice reference Chuck.
Was there a policeman or two among them?
I never said they were viscous…I said they were vicious.
And I would have thought that having been the victims of murderous jackals that they might have had a bit more sympathy for the people who’s country they stole back in ’47.
That’s how I see things.
Would you prefer I didn’t have an opinion?
You sound like a Leftist.
They stole? Not big on Middle East history, are you Chuck? So I guess we should have rid our country of Indian reservations, and Indians.
Maybe the Palestinians should have built a wall round their country in ’46?
Keep out the unwanted guests?
There was no such thing as a Palestinian in 1946. Back then they were called “Arabs”, until bigots decided to make a fake claim against Jews and their homeland.
Arabs have many countries to choose from that will represent them and protect their religion of peace.
Jews have only one.
So I guess you’re an Elizabeth Warren supporter then?
Maybe you think Manhattan should be given back to the original inhabitants…?
There was no such thing as a Palestinian in 1946?
1850 Mitchell Map
Palestine?
Where do you get your information from?
Nope. I just refuse to be an anti-Semitic bigot.
It is amazing that you are proud of your ill informed hatred of Jews, Chuck. One would think that thousands of years of persecution would be enough, but I guess some folks just will not be happy until the last Jew is dead.
Palestine is a place, not a people. But then you are obviously no cartographer or historian.
Maps define areas, not people.
“Would you prefer I didn’t have an opinion?”
Are you now hearing people say things they did not say?
“You sound like a Leftist.”
Says the person who has grabbed hold of the far left SJW college campus BS.
Charles,
Yes, you are right. The Arabs are “Semitic” but if we want to be precise, let’s also state that “Palestinians” is an artificial description that didn’t exist before the modern state of Israel was established.
How about we replace “anti-Semitic” with “Jew-hating” since that’s what the “Palestinians” demonstrably are?
That way we can cut to the chase without getting stuck in linguistic discussions of this broadly understood and accepted term.
Colorado…
1850 Mitchell Map
Palestine?
Don’t make stuff up in an argument…
It makes you look silly.
Those are, and were “Arabs”. Nice try Chuck.
Who ever said they weren’t Arabs Gator?
Libyans are ‘Arabs’…..Morroccans are ‘Arabs’….
You’re a bit dense aren’t you!
Chuck, I know you are being purposely obtuse, but it is an unnecessary task for you.
The point is that there were no “Palestinians”. Just as there are no Suffolk Countians, even though there is a Suffolk County. They are New Yorkers, or New Englanders.
Stop the stupid Chuck, if you can.
People intentionally use what was the name of a region to apply it to the people that inhabit that region. it deceives those that cannot think critically.
Palestinian as applied to the people would mean who ever occupies that region regardless of race, religion, or other nationalities they may have or come from. IOW Charles, if YOU moved there, you would be a “Palestinian”.
Uh…so the Jews who live there today are in fact….Palestinians?
Classic.
The Palestinian Philharmonic Orchestra was filled with Jews and not arabs.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-palestine-symphony-orchestra
After the Romans had forced the Jews from their Jewish homeland, they renamed it to Philistia after the Philistines. This was meant as an insult to the Jews. There were no more Philistines left at that point. Later Philistia became Palestine.
Yes in fact they are! The Arabs that inhabit the area of Palestine are primarily refugees run out of Jordan. There has never been a Palestinian nation or peoples. If you contend there has been please cite the history.
Stop digging, Chuck. It’s not the way out.
Ouch…you sure can deploy a devastating riposte to an argument. lol.
Yu did not make an argument, Charles, but you sidestepped quite a few.
The followers of allah want to kill all Jews. The Jews just want to live in peace.
If the Jews were to lay down their weapons, the arabs would kill all the Jews. If the arabs were to lay down their weapons, there would be peace.
It takes some gall to blame the victim and to take exception to Israel defending herself from attacks.
This is the essence of it that jackass bigots like Chuck can never get through their dense skulls.
And it is also why they can never convince thoughtful people to sign up with them in their hate campaigns.
Thank you Neal.
When Israeli Prime Minister Sharon made the decision many years ago to return Gaza to PA and Hamas control, I thought it was a significant mistake. He did it as a gesture of good faith to enhance the prospects of the so-called peace process.
The Gaza strip was handed over with many large commercial greenhouses capable of providing food for all of the people. (I have heard it was Bill Gates who had in fact bought the greenhouses and included them in the deal.)
The first thing the Palestinians did was ransack and destroy the greenhouses. Their hatred led them to desire spiting Israelis than taking care of their own people. When Bill Clinton and Yasser Arafat had come to an agreement in peace talks granting 95% of the demands of the Palestinians, Arafat (under threat for his own life) immediately broke off the peace talks and started an intifada. Charles, you are clueless and your bigotry prevents you from clearly seeing the actual truth of who are the aggressors and who are only trying to defend their homeland.
What is a “Palestinian” ???
What was the capital of Palistine? .. what was their currency? .. their primary trade? .. who was/were their governor(s) ? .. what was their territory?
There is no such thing as a Palestinian.
Uh…Palestine was a province of the Ottoman Empire.
Local administrative capital Jerusalem.
Currency was the silver akçe.
Language Arabic.
Squidly knows diddly.
Needs info and learning for opinion.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1853_Mitchell_Map_of_Palestine,_Israel_and_the_Holy_Land_-_Geographicus_-_Palestine-mitchell-1850.jpg
Palestine was an area, not an ethnicity.
Why do you hate Jews Chuck?
Charles,
There is still a substantial population of Moslems (Palestinians) in Israel and happy to stay there. How many Jews still dwell in the countries surrounding Israel or in any predominantly Moslem countries? So who are the vicious ones?
A wee bit of self-interest perhaps. IIRC the Ivanpah bird fryer is managed/owned? by a fellow named Ron Pelosi?????
Omar’s position on Israel and Palestine has changed. During her House campaign she said she did not support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, describing it as counterproductive to peace. But a week after her election, her campaign office told Muslim Girl that she supports the BDS movement despite “reservations on the effectiveness of the movement in accomplishing a lasting solution”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar
Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to “smooth over differences” or “gain the upper-hand over an enemy”
There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya (the Shia name). These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
Everyone from that region is semitic, but some are conditioned into amok berserkers (e.g. the Olympics terrorists of 1972 and Saudi hijackers of 9/11). The others helped the US develop the fission bombs that liberated China, Burma, The Philippines, Java, Surinam, Korea, Borneo and Manchuria–and Japan itself. But it is these cultured and civilized others that have formed an Exodus from Vichy France II to Jerusalem to escape the amok berserkers the French looter government has again surrendered to–as it did in 1940.
I have always liked this website on the subject of Global Warming and admired Tony’s relentless pursuit of the truth on that subject…
I love the way he uses plain and obvious facts to debunk the insane, ideologically motivated Leftist Warmists.
On the subject of Israel however he seems to be as bigoted and myopic as the Leftists he derides.
And most of the replies to comments I have had here are very worrying…some of them can best be described as a bit dim (yes Colorado…and Gator…I mean you!)
No problem can ever be solved without knowledge of the background facts.
https://ifamericaknew.org/history/maps.html
^These are just MAPS…care to deny that they’re accurate? (chortle)
Not a thing in your link I didn’t already know. What I also know is that Israel has every right to exist. Many nations have been created along ethnic/religious lines and Jew haters are just going to have to get used to the fact that Israel is here to stay.
Chuck’s link is what intelligent people call revisionist history, or in this case, bigotry.
Yea Gaytor,
Posting up a map from 1850 showing “Palestine”, that’s ‘revisionist’.
Have you considered investing in a ‘dictionary’?
Palestine is a region, not a people you ignorant homophobic Jew hater.
(yes Colorado…and Gator…I mean you!)
Soooo, you cannot refute our facts, and resort to calling us dim. LOL
Our very own classic psychological projectionist, the Chuckster!
So I guess you think that Native Americans should be given back large chunks of the USA…you know ‘their homeland’?
Elizabeth Warren supporter are you?
Native Americans already have large chunks of the US, or did you not know that Chuck?
Why do you hate Jews Chuck?
Most Native Americans have blended into the population of the country Chuck, which is one reason why people like me (Delaware People, Lenni Lenape) and the average American have more Native DNA that Pocahontas Warren.
Hmmn.
Chuck…Chuckster…very creative…I wonder how many more variations that big brain of yours can come up with?
lol
You will never know.
Who ever said I hated Jews Gator?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#/media/File:Neturei_karta2.jpg
You’ve never heard of “self-loathing” Chuck? And here I thought you understood leftists! LOL
So again, why do you hate Jews Chuck?
God…it’s been such a revelation drawing out the kind of people who support this website.
The level of education is so low that it definitely harms the Global Warming Skeptic Cause.
So depressing.
Coming from the chief projectionist! LOL
You just received another free education Chuck, as I will not bill you for the corrections I made to your ignorant posts. Why should I? You gained nothing due to your own self imposed ignorance, fueled by your hate of Jews.
As CW said, it’s time to stop digging, you’re going the wrong way.
What is so special about 1850 Chuck?
Why should anyone agree that that map is THE map and any others before or since are less or more valid?
Are you suggesting the Ottoman Empire, and the national delineations of that time, represent the baseline against which all conversations must be had?
Sophistry is sophistry Chuck.
And BTW…no one gives a tiny rat’s tuchus about the whining and kvetching of a trollish jackass Chuck.
Bupkis.
Go be verklempt somewhere else, eh?
And while you are at it, consider the possible reasons why you are a minority of one on this topic here.
So I guess you think that Native Americans should be given back large chunks of the USA…you know ‘their homeland’?
Elizabeth Warren supporter are you?
Native Americans already have large chunks of the US, or did you not know that Chuck?
Again, why do you hate Jews Chuck?
About 60 percent of the land in the United States is privately owned (table 12). The Federal Government owns 29 percent of the land base, mostly in the West. State and local governments own nearly 9 percent, and Indian trust land accounts for about 2 percent.
I guess you’re actually about as smart as you look in your photo!
lol
Two percent of how many acres Mr Riley?
Come on Gaytor…do the math…if Jews occupied two percent of Palestine…do you think there’d be a problem there?
And I love the way you’re adopting the Left’s tactic of labelling me a homophobe…that is priceless.
I didn’t label you Chuck, you did.
How many acres is it. Can’t do the math?
Gaytor?
A homophobe too? LOL
Come on Gaytor…you thought you could needle me with ‘Chuck’…like I would object to being named after the guy that broke the sound barrier!
Once you pulled that I knew exactly how to get under that tough old skin of yours.
Gaytor.
I have no issue with being called gay. In fact if you would like to fantasize about me being a gay Jew, feel free. Clearly you do not like being called Chuck, and clearly you do not like Jews and you think that defining me as gay is an insult
But does does all of this make me less of a person, or does it you.
Keep digging Chuck!
So you’re a gay Gaytor… all the time I had you pegged as a ‘good ole boy’…and you turn out to be an SJW in disguise!
And I had you pegged as intelligent, guess we were both wrong. I can change political views by the morning, but you will be stupid for life.
He’s right there with Hank Johnson.
No one who goes out of their way to defend and support and justify perhaps the most hateful trope of the far leftists can be considered smart, under any definition.
Nor do I believe anyone who is a true skeptic of CAGW can spout such drivel and moreover make a second career of it.