Day Two At The Greenland Open

After receiving 100 billion tons of snow this month, the Greenland Open is having  a beautiful day today – with temperatures up to a balmy -18C.

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Greenland’s surface has not loss mass on any day since September 1 of last year, and has gained nearly 500 billion tons of ice.

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US Experts say Greenland is baking has been experiencing unusual melting this month.

Greenland is baking, too. In fact, its summer melt season has already begun — more than a month ahead of schedule.

It’s been exceptionally warm in Greenland lately and ice is melting a month early – The Washington Post

 

Data from the Danish Meteorological Institute doesn’t back up their claims, but the Danes will be sorry about their denial when the world ends in eleven years and eight months.

Surface Conditions: Polar Portal

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25 Responses to Day Two At The Greenland Open

  1. DM says:

    Is Siberian Tiger Woods playing?

  2. Bob Hoye says:

    Yup–the plot had been at the low side of the normal band but is getting towards the mean line. Rather quickly.
    Last fall, the DMI reported that the 2018 and 2017 melt seasons were unusually low, with an unusually high albedo.
    What will this melt season bring?

  3. DSwanson says:

    I think you are off a few orders of magnitude…Aren’t the scale on those graphs gigatons not billion. So not 500 billion its 500,000 billion unless there is something I’m missing.

    • tonyheller says:

      A gigaton is a billion tons.

      • Jason Calley says:

        I can’t really picture a billion of anything, so I find it easier to conceptualize as a cubic kilometer of water. Also, close enough to a cubic kilometer of ice that it does not make much difference.

  4. rah says:

    Ice sheet of Antarctica holds about 91% of all the terrestrial ice. Greenland’s about 8%. The remaining 1% spread around the globe. Where’s the water? Where is the spike in the rate of SLR? This supposed anomalous rate of melt has been going on for more than a couple of decades now and yet the Maldives, all of them, are still above water.

  5. Skepdick says:

    Yes it’s always exceptionally warm in places the public can’t get go to confirm.

  6. Steven Fraser says:

    I hear that from the summit camp beer stand, its all downhill to the water hazard. /fun

  7. Chris says:

    Hi Tony, today I learned that the SMB does not take in to account the calving of ice on the edges of greenland which accounts for almost 1/3 of the mass loss of greenland ice sheet. Knowing this what would be the nett mass balance of greenland in recent years?

    • tonyheller says:

      The SMB covers acculturation and melting. Calving is a completely different process.

      • Chris says:

        But doesn’t it contribute tot the total balance of ice on Greenland? I came across this analysis and it seems to be calculating mass balance from snowfall, melting and calving.
        https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019/04/16/1904242116/tab-figures-data
        Looking at their mass balance Greenland is in a continues decline.

        • Disillusioned says:

          Calving occurs because of growth out into the seas. Calving is the opposite of melting and recession. It is evidence of growth. Don’t conflate the two.

        • Gator says:

          The mass balance started to deviate from its natural range of variability in the 1980s.

          The authors have no clue what they are talking about. What makes them believe the above statement, when in fact the 1980’s was the end of an anomalously cold period that lead scientists to believe we were facing a new ice age? I was there, and the speculation of a new ice age enticed me into the Earth Sciences department of a major university. Calving occurs when ice is building in the interior, and is not a result of warming.

          Instead of arguing with those who know more than you, try listening.

          • Chris says:

            I am not arguing. I am trying to learn something and you are not helping much.

          • Rah says:

            Chris
            Think about it. It is the weight of the ice in the accumulation zone which is the primary force that causes glaciers to advance no matter if their terminus is on a coast or not.

            Many factors can have an effect on the rate of advance but the primary one is the amount of mass of ice above pushing the the ice below. Thus more ice higher up means a faster advance of the the whole glacier just like increased water added up stream means a faster current in a river.

          • Gator says:

            I pointed out three very relevant facts, and you learned nothing?

          • Chris says:

            Thanks, I see that snowfall is responsible for all ice increase. But if the edge is calving off more ice than snowfall can renew, the mass of the greenland ice is stil getting smaller isn’t it? Even in SMB is at record high. Only if SMB – Discharge > 0 greeland ice mass would increase. SMB on its own does not say much does it? Or am I thinking about this the wrong way???

          • Gator says:

            If…

            The fact is we don’t really know exactly how much ice there is, we make guesses. GRACE is the newest resource, but is riddled with issues, and doesn’t actually measure ice.

            We are in an interglacial Chris, and we should expect ice to melt, globally. So even if The is a loss of SMB, it is as shocking and as threatening as a sunrise.

            And again, calving happens on growing glaciers. If glaciers cease to calve, they are not growing.

            Why do people get worked up over nothing? That’s the question you really should be asking Chris.

          • rah says:

            Chris
            The rocky land under all that ice in Greenland is shaped like a bowl. IOW there are mountains around the edges while the central part of the island dips down very deep. So deep that under the massive ice there is liquid water just as is found in some places in Antarctica.

            On top of this low lying rock and liquid lakes in the center depression is a massive ice dome or cap. It is this dome in the interior well away from the ocean where the accumulations are greatest because there is so little melt. I suppose you saw Tony’s post with the golfer. That’s Summit station, and research center manned all year. http://www.summitcamp.org/site/

            That station, like everything else on the ice cap/dome, is slowly moving towards the coast. If they didn’t keep it plowed it would eventually be buried and locked in and ever thickening cover of ice just as Glacier Girl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXKY1iQWQhU
            and the other aircraft that made emergency landings on the ice with her were. And eventually end up in the sea.

            SMB and various other metrics having to do with the ice are modeled products. Nobody really knows exactly how much total calving occurs from one year to the next. And besides that it is really very complex. The ice is not a homogeneous mass. It is layered. The deeper the layer the thinner the layer is and the layers in a given cross section can actually move at different rates. There is a reason why people spend their whole professional lives doing nothing but studying that ice cap.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            If the Maldives are still above water in 2019, why did their government hold this cabinet meeting under water in 2009?

            Is it possible that it was it just some kind of PR stunt for gullible progressives and global warming cultists?

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            True, but they don’t just suppress what to them should be good news.

            They get outright giddy when they think to have discovered something that will kill us all. The sooner, the better.

            It’s a sick cult.

  8. Rah says:

    Just think of glaciers as rivers of ice and you’ll better understand the concepts.

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