Future King Charles III and present King Barry I, have both decreed that we must trust the scientists. Who could argue with such clear headed thinking by these people of fine breeding?
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The Spanish Inquisition was started by the monarchy, and not the church. Kings derived the right to rule over other men because it was decreed so by God, and if the flock strayed from God, the monarchy lost its right to rule over them. Therefore heretics must be punished and stamped out.
Not much has changed over the centuries, except the names of the men, and the religions that give them that power.
We can observe in these human cases how poor genetic pairing can result in mental defects and narcissistic tendencies. Fine Breeding….??… Not!!
It’s nice to never be held accountable for predictions and prognostications that are wrong. If you do that in industry people stop listening to you. If you do that as a consultant, you tend to have fewer clients. If you do that in climate science you become rich and more people listen to you.
Hubert Lamb (founder of the CRU at the University of East Anglia) may well be proven right. Except for a few peaks, like the Minoan, Roman, and Medieval warming periods, the overall temperature during the Holocene has been declining.
In later years, Lamb did embrace AGW, but still thought it would be followed by a new ice age in 3000-7000 years – after we ran out of oil.
Probably a lot sooner than that.
From a bunch of papers and other ‘Experts’
Glaiciers are actually advancing
[Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic] 2010
“…. Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present. Early Holocene summer sea ice limits were substantially smaller than their 20th century average, and the flow of Atlantic water into the Arctic Ocean was substantially greater. As summer solar energy decreased in the second half of the Holocene, glaciers re-established or advanced, sea ice expanded…..”
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[A new approach for reconstructing glacier variability based on lake sediments recording input from more than one glacier] January 2012
“…. A multi-proxy numerical analysis demonstrates that it is possible to distinguish a glacier component in the ~ 8000-yr-long record, based on distinct changes in grain size, geochemistry, and magnetic composition…. This signal is …independently tested through a mineral magnetic provenance analysis of catchment samples. Minimum glacier input is indicated between 6700–5700 cal yr BP, probably reflecting a situation when most glaciers in the catchment had melted away, whereas the highest glacier activity is observed around 600 and 200 cal yr BP. During the local Neoglacial interval (~ 4200 cal yr BP until present), five individual periods of significantly reduced glacier extent are identified at ~ 3400, 3000–2700, 2100–2000, 1700–1500, and ~ 900 cal yr BP…. ”
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[Holocene temperature history at the western Greenland Ice Sheet margin reconstructed from lake sediments]
“….As summer insolation declined through the late Holocene, summer temperatures cooled and the local ice sheet margin expanded. Gradual, insolation-driven millennial-scale temperature trends in the study area were punctuated by several abrupt climate changes, including a major transient event recorded in all five lakes between 4.3 and 3.2 ka, which overlaps in timing with abrupt climate changes previously documented around the North Atlantic region and farther afield at ?4.2 ka….. ”
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[Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception (2007) ]
“….Because the intensities of the 397 ka BP and present insolation minima are very similar, we conclude that under natural boundary conditions the present insolation minimum holds the potential to terminate the Holocene interglacial. Our findings support the Ruddiman hypothesis [Ruddiman, W., 2003. The Anthropogenic Greenhouse Era began thousands of years ago. Climate Change 61, 261–293], which proposes that early anthropogenic greenhouse gas emission prevented the inception of a glacial that would otherwise already have started….”
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Dr Robert G. Brown at Duke Univesity who often comments @ WUWT
“….The last “interesting” piece of evidence is that the Little Ice Age, occurring in apparent coincidence with the Maunder Minimum, was the coldest period in the entire Holocene post the Younger Dryas fluctuation, and occurred as global temperatures had been gradually decreasing from the Holocene optimum for thousands of years. This large temperature excursion in response to what may have been a relatively minor variation in a primary driver (the Sun) strongly suggests that the Earth is either entering or is already solidly into the bistable regime where sufficiently sustained fluctuations can drive it nonlinearly towards the cold stable state, quite possibly drive it “rapidly” in that direction… the Ordovician/Silurian transition, wherein the Earth entered an ice age, relatively rapidly, in spite of having seventeen times the atmospheric CO_2 content that it does now when it began, and in spite of sustaining it at ten times the current concentration for the entire period the ice age lasted….”
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Woods Hole Observatory
[Abrupt Climate Change: Should We Be Worried?]
“….Fossil evidence clearly demonstrates that Earth vs climate can shift gears within a decade, establishing new and different patterns that can persist for decades to centuries….
This new paradigm of abrupt climate change has been well established over the last decade by research of ocean, earth and atmosphere scientists at many institutions worldwide. But the concept remains little known and scarcely appreciated in the wider community of scientists, economists, policy makers, and world political and business leaders. Thus, world leaders may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur….”
Dr. Brown suggests that the climate is probably bistable with two ‘Strange Attractors’ (from Chaos theory) this means climate can change very abruptly.
“…Richard Alley, one of the world’s leading climate researchers, tells the fascinating history of global climate changes as revealed by reading the annual rings of ice from cores drilled in Greenland. In the 1990s he and his colleagues made headlines with the discovery that the last ice age came to an abrupt end over a period of only three years.…” From a plug for Alley’s book “The Two-Mile Time Machine: Ice Cores, Abrupt Climate Change, and Our Future”
Richard Alley chaired the National Research Council on Abrupt Climate Change.
. From the opening paragraph in the executive summary:
“……Recent scientific evidence shows that major and widespread climate changes have occurred with startling speed. For example, roughly half the north Atlantic warming since the last ice age was achieved in only a decade, and it was accompanied by significant climatic changes across most of the globe. Similar events, including local warmings as large as 16°C, occurred repeatedly during the slide into and climb out of the last ice age…..”
A recent paper from the fall of 2012 Can we predict the duration of an interglacial? says
“…although it has been unclear whether the subdued current summer insolation minimum (479 W m?2 ), the lowest of the last 800 kyr, would be sufficient to lead to glaciation (e.g. Crucifix, 2011). Comparison with MIS 19c, a close astronomical analogue characterized by an equally weak summer insolation minimum (474 W m?2 ) and a smaller overall decrease from maximum summer solstice insolation values, suggests that glacial inception is possible despite the subdued insolation forcing, if CO2 concentrations were 240 ± 5 ppmv (Tzedakis et al., 2012). …..”
The paper goes on to say
” … thus, the first major reactivation of the bipolar seesaw would probably constitute an indication that the transition to a glacial state had already taken place. …”
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The bipolar seesaw is the melting of the Arctic and the ice building in the Antarctica that we have been seeing for the last couple of decades. This is why I have an interest in Drake Passage.
21 June insolation 65? N
This paper, gives the solar insolation and CO2 for termination of several interglacials. Current values are insolation = 479 and CO2 = 400 ppmv
MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m?2, CO2 = 256 ppmv
MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m?2, CO2 = 259-265 ppmv
MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m?2, CO2 = 225 ppmv
MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m?2, CO2 = 240 ppmv
MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m?2, CO2 = 240 ppmv
So we are darn close to Glacial Inception.
Are we headed into glaciation? Who the heck knows the battle is still raging among the experts. However since “…Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes…” I certainly do not see a ‘Tipping Point’ towards warming.
I sometimes wonder if taking energy away from most humans corralling us in Transit Villages (the goal of Agenda 21) and making it hard for us to travel, is to make sure most of us die in the event of a sudden drop into glaciation. (Remember the USA just got rid of her strategic grain storage too in 1996.)
It is not the glaciers that will kill, it is the ‘sudden’ drop in temperature. The earth has about ten degrees to drop to get into the stable ‘cold’ system. That will kill the majority of humans via starvation especially if it happens within a decade.
As the little boy asked: “Why is the king naked?”
The answer is that fools can easily be scammed by charlatans. Way down deep where it really counts, the fools know they are fools and don’t want that fact to be discovered – especially by themselves. Yet, their every word and every action demonstrates that fact to everyone except other fools. Who, themselves, don’t want the fact they are fools discovered – especially by themselves.
This continues recursively until it reaches that lone boy, of heroic mind and spirit. He looks upon the world, sees it for what it is, and asks the question that no one else dares to ask or even think. At that moment, it is as if nothing else exists except that lone boy and his question. Everything else fades into nothingness, as the morning fog does in bright sunlight.
“Why is the king naked?” The king is naked because he is a fool and desperately doesn’t want to know it.
We.hold these truths to be self evident……….updated blog with more self evident truth http://www.earthquakescauseglobalwarming.blogspot.com
So do the kings have money invested in this CAGW scam?
That should be subject of an FOI request.
http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/Is-a-Market-for-CO2-Now-Possible-2014-01-31/
As a matter of fact yes.
Queen Beatrix and Lord Rothschild have a healthy chunk of Royal Dutch Shell.
The British royal family owns part off British Petroleum. These two companies plus the Rockefeller foundation are among those who funded CRU of East Anglia.
See: The Four Horsemen Behind The Oil Wars (I do not know how true the stuff is )
And a bit more skuttlebut: http://www.sxolsout.org.uk/zcase.html
A couple of newspaper clippings? How about a review of the scientific literature of the time? Handily, someone has done it.
http://oya.ucsd.edu/classes/sio217a/sio217afall08-myth1970.pdf
Or if you can’t be bothered reading the study, the graphic says it all.
Sorry Barry, but many of us here lived through the global cooling scare, and remember it well. And just like today, there was NO consensus, just alarmists getting all the press. Nice survey though. 😆
I lived through the 70s too and read a couple of articles like that. but I also remember ones on global warming from that period.
If you want to complain about the press you’ll get no argument from me. If you want to know where the weight of scientific opinion lay in the 70s, read the literature.
Yes, it’s a pretty good survey. Nice someone actually bothered to check. 🙂
It’s a ‘survey’ with an agenda. The only agenda that interests me is seeking the truth, and that is why I despise alarmists and 99% of the press. Revisionist history is for trolls.
You can’t claim that the history of 70s climate science was revised in that study unless you have researched the subject yourself, or have access to some equally well-researched work.
You seek the truth? Then no doubt you can supply some. Not from the despised press, of course.
I said they have an agenda. The title of the propaganda at your link is “THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS”.
When one starts out to prove a certain viewpoint, one is not giving an honest assessment.
And again, I lived through that history and remember it well. Peddle your nonsense to someone else.
Scientific consensus on global cooling during the 1970s is a myth. The title is apt. The title of your paper might be, “News Articles on Global Cooling”. That’s what’s being peddled here, top to bottom.
But if I can’t prise you away from the despised press, I can at least help out with the nostalgia. 1979.
1979 was after the scare ended, but I guess either you are too young, or were too stoned to remember.
The lie is that there has ever been a consensus on climate. Why do you lefties always want to rewrite history? Inconvenient?
Wow, newsweek article from 1979 that makes exactly zero substantiated claims. I’m convinced that global warming is true now!
“Now, if the icecaps melt, . . .” ignoring the fact that if you do a little basic math you’ll realize that it’ll take 10,000 years or more, unless the sun goes nova . . . oh man, I’m sure scared now!
I’ll just let that little nugget of delight sit there.
Holocaust deniers and global cooling deniers both have the same goal of erasing the 1930’s and 1940’s
I lived through the 1970 global cooling scare too.
Nigel Calder was actually one of the ones doing the writing. He tells the story:
Milankovitch and the ice ages – welcome back to 1974
A nice summary of what happened a half century ago by Nigel: Next ice age Predictions Revisited: Prophet of the Next Ice Age
Who is Nigel Calder?
The lie is that there has ever been a consensus on climate. Why do you lefties always want to rewrite history? Inconvenient?
The lie is that there was a scientific consensus on global cooling. As the only evidence offered to the contrary is (always) a handful of newspaper articles – from the despised press – I take it no one’s got anything more substantial. No point continuing here.
Nice strawman Barry. The fact remains there was and is no consensus on climate, just alarmists getting most of the press. I know you deniers like to deny actual history, actual data and natural variability, but that does not make them go away.
If you like your doomer theory, you can keep your doomer theory, but the rest of us prefer reality.