Peace Through Appeasement

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

  • Winston Churchill

European countries believe that throwing Israel to the wolves will save them. They have  a rather poor track record with appeasement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO725Hbzfls

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40 Responses to Peace Through Appeasement

  1. Bleakhouses says:

    The Munich agreement as it is called is on display at the Imperial War Museums, Churchill War Rooms in the heart of London. A stark reminder that what one man, or two, can start others often have to sacrifice to clean up after.

  2. Gail Combs says:

    It is NOT appeasement it is War Mongering!

    Our Mussie-in-Chief loves it because it is promoting Islam via jihad and migration.**

    Our Military/Industrial Complex loves it because instability means mucho $$$ for weapons manufacturers as I already explained HERE.

    The elite do not give a Rat’s ass how many peons they kill off as long as THEIR children are not in the line of fire. For example my Ex was connected to the top in the DNC and Surprise, Surprise, with a draft number of 3, his enlistment papers were ‘lost’ until a week after he would have gone to Vietnam.

    Actually as Ted Turner put it “A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
    Quotes That Show That The Elite Truly Believe That Humans Are A Plague Upon The Earth

    I doubt if they care if the Middle East and Europe and parts of the USA are reduced to radio-active slag. They have already transferred their wealth (manufacturing) out of those areas.
    …..

    Promoting Islam via migration**
    Hijra, Islamic Migration

    As it does with everything in life, Islam has its own views about migration…..

    After Mohammed’s death, Islam exploded out of Arabia in its second migration. When Islam settles into a society, the society becomes all Islamic (with a couple of exceptions—Spain and the Balkans). Islam does not assimilate, but dominates. This is because of its Sharia law.

    The purpose of migration is to start jihad and the purpose of jihad is install the Sharia. Under the Sharia, the other religions are subjected to taxes, domination and humiliation. After enough time, everyone will become a Muslim.

    Today in the West, we see the beginning of the annihilation of our civilization due to the deference we pay to Islamic migration and Sharia and we refuse to see the true nature and goals of Islam—complete domination of all aspects of our society.

  3. gator69 says:

    Nice guys finish last. No, we cannot all get along.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Gator, That is why we have the 2nd Amendment and one of the original functions of government was fielding a military.

      THIS works better than ‘appeasement’ esp. if you are a woman. (Close-up head shot gator… {:>D though I might aim low, snigger.)

  4. RAH says:

    You do know it really wasn’t all Chamberlain’s fault. The government of France had pumped the invulnerability of the Maginot line in their propaganda to the point where their people thought it in their best interests to rely on it. After WW I they had no appetite for another war against the Bosh. And of course the strong contingent of French Communists, getting their directions for Stalin, were totally against any move against Hitler. So the French PM, Édouard Daladier, had no political backing for any expedition to defend Czechoslovakia.

    • Bleakhouses says:

      Please call them the “Boche,” the French original (after their slang for pig-headed) or the “Bosche” as some later used (after Carl Bosche); Im descended from German Jews and my last name starts with “Bosh.”

      Now, you are correct, France’s Maginot line certainly factored into the fall of Europe.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      When Daladier returned to France and instead of hostility he encountered crowds cheering him as a peacemaker, he reportedly muttered to his aide Léger:

      “The fools!”

      He didn’t believe they achieved anything in Munich by betraying the French defense treaty with Czechoslovakia.

    • diogenese 2 says:

      It is usually overlooked that at the time of the Munich “appeasement” Britain had but two squadrons of Hurricanes and the first Mark 2 Spitfire had just entered service. When Germany invaded Poland there were 18 Hurricane Squadrons. When the Battle of Britain started there was just enough production capacity to defeat the Luftwaffe through attrition. If the war had started a year earlier the outcome in the west might have been different.
      The difference between appeasement and buying time is recognition of what has to be prepared for.

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        It is clear that in 1938 Great Britain was not militarily ready to oppose Hitler’s aggression in Central Europe any more than France with her “defensive” posture at the Maginot Line, on top of the strong anti-war sentiments in both countries resulting from the horrific slaughter in the trenches of the Great War.

        I am an Anglophile but I believe it is also established that Daladier was more realistic about the real value of the Munich treaty than Chamberlain who sincerely believed he bought Great Britain more than the 11 months before the joint Hitler/Stalin attack on Poland.

        The Prime Minister also got a rude walk-up call when in March 1939 Hitler’s armed columns drove into Prague and completed the military takeover of the remainder of the country.

        Hindsight is 20/20 and Chamberlain was not alone in the 1930s in misjudging Hitler’s intentions. As a matter of fact, he represented the prevailing view, besides not having many options in the first place. Liberal democracies tend to prevail in wars in the long term but they are always at a disadvantage when the totalitarians prepare to attack as the Japanese aggression in the Pacific had demonstrated.

        • RAH says:

          Oh, they had accomplished something CW. They had allowed Hitler to expand his industrial base, and in particular, arms manufacturing, and heavy industry, by about 1/3 by harnessing Czechoslovakia’s industry for his war machine.

          My CZ 38 given to me by my uncle is an example. The CZ38 is a .308/9 mm automatic. 38 designates the year the design was first manufactured. The early and pre-WWII versions, which is what I have, were of high quality manufacture. The pistol was taken as a war prize from a Oberleutnant ( 1st Lieutenant) complete with beaded horse hide flapped holster with pouches for two magazines included and the two “pips” designating that former owners rank.

          The Czechs had a highly developed arms industry and heavy industry that made it possible for the Reich to expand considerably over what they could have done without it.

          Appeasement, what ever the reason, has it’s costs.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            I’m very much aware of it, RAH. The Czechoslovaks mobilized before Munich and Hitler decided to negotiate with the western powers instead. The betrayal by the western powers had a huge impact on the country that never recovered from the sight of seeing their combat-ready men cry while they were retreating from their defensive positions on Sudetenland in October 1938.

            The Czechs were spared the devastation of war and losses on the fronts but they were forced to work for the Nazis like slaves through May 1945. The Nazi occupation cost the lives of some of the best people, broke the spirit of the nation and weakened the strong democratic tradition of the country.

            The Communist takeover in 1948 was made possible by these events. A country that had been a strong and reliable member of the coalition of liberal democracies prior to 1938 became after the war a member of the Soviet Bloc and despite its nations being democratic again, they are still paying the price of Munich today, generations later.

          • RAH says:

            They still made the best beer IMO. This is my favorite of all beers. Their pale lager is best I’ve ever had from anywhere.
            http://www.budvar.cz/en/our-beer

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Yes, RAH, appeasement has its costs.

            In a cruel irony of history, some of the Czechs who escaped the Nazis and fought in the Royal Air Force in the Battle of Britain returned home after the war and were later persecuted and imprisoned by the Communists.

            Meanwhile another man of Czech ancestry, Austrian Kurt Waldheim, joined the Nazi movement and served in the Wehrmacht in the Balkans, supporting the massacres of Yugoslav civilians and deportations of Greek Jews to concentrations camps by SS-Sonderkommandos.

            In 1972, on the recommendation of the Austrian Socialist Chancellor Bruno Kreisky, Kurt Waldheim became the highly-respected Secretary General of the United Nations while true democrats like Vaclav Havel in neighboring Czechoslovakia were persecuted by the Communists, in and out jail and interrogation cells.

            I work every day to not become too cynical about the nature of men.

            True on the beer, too!

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            I mistyped the html hypertext code above. Here are the correct links:

            Czech RAF fighters persecution by Communists:

            http://www.wingsinexile.co.uk/clanky/return-communist-persecution-and-exile-28.html

            Kurt Waldheim’s glorious international career:

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1554545/Kurt-Waldheim.html

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            It seems I mistyped more things above, e.g. on in Sudetenland, etc.

            Tiny gadget screens were never intended for this … :)

        • RAH says:

          Ha! The great British fighter pilot Robert Tucker recalled that in the late 30’s his squadron was lined up with their aircraft to receive a visit from a visiting German Luftwaffe delegation.

          Their aircraft had just be fitted with the new reflector sight. That sight was a vast improvement over the old ring and cross sight that had been in use. It was the predecessor of what we now call the “Heads Up Display” used in modern aircraft.

          A German officer climbed up into Tuckers aircraft and asked him about the reflector sight and it’s operation. Tucker played dumb and said they had just been installed and had not been trained on them yet. One of the RAF Brass hats (higher ranking officers) accompanying the delegation jumped up and explained the whole thing to the Luftwaffe officer.

          Later one of Tuckers squadron mates asked “Why didn’t they just give him one to take home?”

          A couple of years later during the Battle of Britain when Tuck was a squadron commander he was discussing the capabilities of the German fighter aircraft Tuck told his pilots that they could be bloody well sure that they had a fine reflector sight.

      • snedly arkus says:

        If it wasn’t for the best general the allies had, Adolf Hitler, the Germans would have won the battle of Britain. It was Hitlers insistence that the fighters stay glued to the bombers rather than meet the Brits head on that caused huge casualties on the German side. As it was the Brits were on the ropes and ready to collapse when Hitler called off the campaign. Another one of Hitlers many huge blunders was that the ME 262 jet fighter was ready for operation in 1942. There was no way that allied planes could stand up to an onslaught of jets. Rather than use them as fighters Hitler demanded they be fitted out as bombers. Years later Hitler woke up to his mistake but it was too late. Or at Dunkirk where the British army escaped total destruction because Hitler bought into Goering’s boast that he could destroy them from the air with his Luftwaffe.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Seems to me that when ever the D**n Politicians get involved and start telling the military how to conduct war, they lose. (Vietnam comes to mind.)

          • RAH says:

            Churchill being the exception at least from 1940-43. Besides his strong leadership during the dark days before the US entered the war his influence continued to drive the Allied strategy into 1943.

            Not only did the British persuade the US to hold off on a cross channel invasion in 42 and 43 they were the ones that wanted to forces used in N. Africa and the Med. A typical British peripheral strategy.

            It was not until the US had developed and deployed a preponderance of the troops and weapons during 1943 that they began to call the tune. From that time on Churchill and his commanders influence on the western allies strategy waned.

          • Gail Combs says:

            RAH,
            Churchill wasn’t exactly a politician with zero military training or experience. He went to the British Royal Military College and served in the active military for four(?) years.

            … in April 1888, he was sent to Harrow School, a boarding school near London. Within weeks of his enrollment, he joined the Harrow Rifle Corps, which put him on a path to a military career.

            At first it didn’t seem the military was a good choice for Churchill. It took him three tries to pass the exam for the British Royal Military College. However, once there, he did well and graduated 20th in his class of 130…

            Churchill enjoyed a brief but eventful career in the British Army at a zenith of British military power. He joined the Fourth Hussars in 1895 and saw action in the Battle of Omdurman in 1898. He left in 1899….
            http://www.biography.com/people/winston-churchill-9248164#early-life

            On the other hand Lyndon Johnson’s Naval war record was dubious. … His military career consisted of a single combat flight over the Pacific … His college was Southwest Texas State Teachers College.

            In other words LBJ was nothing but a ‘flyboy’ My Ex-husband’s Captain @ Fort Jackson was another ‘flyboy’ The lieutenants and sargeants wouldn’t let the guy out of the office because he was so inept and naive. It was really rather humorous to see the First Sargeant snap the leash when the captain tried to sneak out the door. (It was a Basic Combat Training Company.)

          • RAH says:

            Trump will be the first Republican president with no military record to enter office during my 61 year life time. LBJ was a worthless POS. I can’t decide if LBJ or BHO is the worst during my time on earth. It’s too close for me to call yet. Both would be right at the top for worst ever based on my reading of American history.

            BTW I have read multiple Churchill Bios and just about every book the man wrote. So I’m well aware of his history. But he took on positions in the British government beyond PM that made him the ultimate arbiter of all aspects of defense and the military from production right down to the kind of helmets the fire wardens wore. Very unique.

  5. TA says:

    Obama is not appeasing anyone, he is promoting radical Islamic jihadism. Obama is the biggest promoter of radical Islam in world history, with the exception of the founder of Islam, and he is taking the side of the Palestinians in this instance. It is claimed that Obama even coordinated this back-stabbing of Israel with the Palestinians.

    I think Barack had always intended to do this if he was not successful in getting Israel to agree to a peace plan before he left Office. And keep in mind that Israel has offered the Palestinians a peace plan four different times and was turned down by the Palestinians because they don’t believe Israel should even be in the Holy Land or even exist, and are bent on Israel’s destruction. Palestinian maps don’t include Israel on them. Obama and Kerry requiring Israel to make peace with such antagonists is of course insanity, but that’s what they use to justify stabbing Israel in the back.

    I want to think Obama is just so dumb he does this unintentionally and cluelessly, but I don’t think he is that dumb. If his aim was to promote radical Islam, he couldn’t have done a better job than the one he has done.

    Obama’s actions have put the whole world in much greater jeopardy than before he took Office. Just a complete trainwreck. He’s leaving Trump with one hell of a mess to clean up. A mess Obama created. Many times intentionally.

    What a disaster this guy has been for the U.S. and the whole world. He can’t leave soon enough. I heard a guy yesterday ask if we couldn’t just buy out the rest of Obama’s contract and put Trump in tomorrow.

    I thought that was an excellent idea. :)

    • Gail Combs says:

      I have know from day one that Obummer was a closet Mussie.
      It is all in the name.
      My Grandfather went from Hussein to Frank as Cassius Clay went to Muhammad Ali.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      The question I started asking myself during President Obama’s first term—and which at some point I learned others were also asking—was what would a man hostile to the United States do differently if he managed to get himself elected a President and aimed to cause as much long-term damage as possible while keeping the support of the Democrat-voting coalition. The frightening answer was that I saw very little.

      It seems that President Obama no longer cares to even pretend he’s acting in the interest of the country or whether his actions in the last weeks of his administration look like a direct sabotage against the will of the American voters.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Agreed,

        I hope we can either prove Obama was an Indonesian via adoption and went to school as a foreign student OR that he is an outright T R A I T O R.

        I would prefer the first because it wipes out everything he did for the last eight years with ZERO grounds for argument.

        Did Lolo Soetoro adopted Barry and didBarry stopped in Indonesia to renew his Indonesian Passport on his way to Pakistan in 1981?

        During the 1960s Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship, so if the school record is correct, and Obama attended classes as an Indonesian citizen, the apparent requirement would have been for him to give up an American citizenship.

        In a passport amendment submitted Aug. 13, 1968, Obama’s mother identified her son with an Indonesian surname as Barack Obama II Soebarkah, and asked the State Department to drop him from her U.S. passport.

        An Obit. published in Indonesia for Holiyah “Lia” Soetoro Sobah, identified Lia as having been adopted by Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s stepfather, and Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro.

        Obama said he traveled to Pakistan in 1981. He was on summer vacation from college, and, after visiting his mother in Indonesia.

        However Ann was NOT in Indonesia she was actually in the USA. On August 20, 1980, Stanley Ann Soetoro, initiated divorce proceedings from Lolo Soetoro in Honolulu, HI.

        There was a a travel warning against US citizens travelling to Pakistan at the time.

        Lots of rabbits to chase on this one if we can get the darn courts and government departments to cooperate.

  6. dave1billion says:

    Off topic, but I was visiting Steve McIntyre’s site climateaudit.org yesterday and came across this post.

    https://climateaudit.org/2016/11/18/centenary-of-the-end-of-the-battle-of-the-somme/

    It reminded me that we’ve had pretty much zero attention to the 100 year anniversary of the Great War, at least here in the US.

    McIntyre found a collection of transcriptions of letters to his grandmother from a Canadian soldier and collated them (along with asides to how the war was progressing) into a very readable and touching document.

    McIntyre has done much good work, and went a long way on educating me about the climate proxies and the flaws of the Hockey Stick, among other things.

  7. TA says:

    The Vietnam war was a U.S. military victory, like Iraq. And like Iraq, the Vietnam war was not lost, it was thrown away by clueless, Leftist anti-war politicians who washed their hands of both wars, and sent millions of innocent people to their deaths or exile as a consequence.

    Obama has done his best to cause us to lose in Afghanistan, too, but it looks like Trump will get in Office soon enough to rectify that situation. The Taliban in Afghanistan, under Obama’s watch, now control more territory than they did when the war started. Anti-war Leftists like Obama are completely unfit to prosecute a war. They just won’t do it. It’s not in their mental makeup.

    The U.S. military wins the war, and the Loony Left throws it away as quickly as they can. They snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    The secret to maintaining our security and winning future wars is to never allow the Left to get their hands on the levers of power. You have just seen what eight years of such ignorance and cluelessness gets us: A world in chaos.

    Trump has a huge job on his hands. He has to overcome our foreign enemies while trying to repair all the damage Obama and the Left have done to the USA on both foreign and domestic fronts. Let’s hope he is the right person at the right time. It’s now or never.

    A long 22 days to go.

    • Gail Combs says:

      While at Fort Jackson in the early 1970s I got a monthly ear full about dumba$$ politicians at the Hi-Byes. I hung with the guy talking cars and hunting instead of the wives talking dishes and diapers…. Essentially it was “Why don’t they get the H…L out of the way and let us WIN this war!”

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