Climate Central Continues Their Arctic Fraud

Heidi Cullen’s Climate Central claims the Arctic is “crazy warm” and Arctic sea ice is doomed.

The Arctic Has Been Crazy Warm All Year. This Is What It Means for Sea Ice | Climate Central

In fact, the North Pole has had below normal temperatures every day since May 1, and is having one of their coldest summers on record.

Ocean and Ice Services | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut

Arctic sea ice extent is identical to all recent years.

Ocean and Ice Services | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut

The Guardian says the Arctic will be ice-free this summer.

‘Next year or the year after, the Arctic will be free of ice’ | Environment | The Guardian

Nobel laureate Al Gore says the North Pole has been ice free for three years.

Gore: Polar ice cap may disappear by summer 2014

The New York Times says the Arctic has been ice-free for decades.

The Changing Face of the Arctic; The Changing Face of the Arctic – The New York Times

The press refuses to talk to anyone who tells the truth about climate, and happily parrots anyone willing to lie to them over and over again. The bigger the lie, the better.

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118 Responses to Climate Central Continues Their Arctic Fraud

  1. John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia says:

    “If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you’re mis-informed.” Mark Twain

  2. gator69 says:

    26 percent of Europeans believe the Arctic Ocean is already ice free in summer…

    This is why we left.

  3. RAH says:

    Lurch (aka: John Kerry) told us in 2009 that he had it on good authority that the Arctic would be ice free by the summer of 2013.

  4. arn says:

    Very simply to proof wether this is true or not:

    Ship all these scientists and AGW cultists to the arctic
    in their everyday cloth and let them experience the crazy warm arctic just for
    12 hours.
    There would be noone left to promote AGW.

  5. Nicholas Schroeder, BSME, PE says:

    Is space cold or hot? There are no molecules in space so our common definitions of hot/cold/heat/energy don’t apply.
    The temperatures of objects in space, e.g. the earth, moon, space station, mars, venus, etc. are determined by the radiation flowing past them. In the case of the earth, the solar irradiance of 1,368 W/m^2 has a Stefan Boltzmann black body equivalent temperature of 394 K. That’s hot. Sort of.
    But an object’s albedo reflects away that heat and reduces that temperature.
    The earth’s albedo reflects away 30% of the sun’s 1,368 W/m^2 energy leaving 70% or 958 W/m^2 to “warm” the earth and at a S-B BB equivalent temperature of 361 K, 33 C colder than the earth with no atmosphere or albedo.
    The earth’s albedo/atmosphere doesn’t keep the earth warm, it keeps the earth cool.

    Over 3,000!! (up 1,200 since 6/9) views on my WriterBeat papers which were also sent to the ME departments of several prestigious universities (As a BSME & PE felt some affinity.) and a long list of pro/con CAGW personalities and organizations.
    NOBODY has responded explaining why my methods, calculations and conclusions in these papers are incorrect. BTW that is called SCIENCE!!
    SOMEBODY needs to step up and ‘splain my errors ‘cause if I’m correct (Q=UAdT runs the atmospheric heat engine) – that’s a BIGLY problem for RGHE.
    Step right up! Bring science.—We-don-t-need-no-stinkin-greenhouse-Warning-science-ahead-

    • R. Shearer says:

      Bill H. says the arctic is melting, etc., etc. and you’re an ignorant fuck. That was the most intelligent argument I saw from those taking the alarmist position. Good luck.

  6. R2Dtoo says:

    The media is the main problem. How much effort would it take any reporter to peruse the actual data and refute this nonsense. Until we get some accountability in the press we will not have a decent debate. The Heidi Cullens of the world would have little impact if the MSM did their job.

    • RAH says:

      In the legacy media they are doing their job as they see it. They don’t believe that truth, fairness, nor suppression of their own partisanship has anything to do with properly performing their job. In their world the means justify the ends. They are very much like Al Gore.

      But they have lost much of their mojo and are in decline. The internet and “alternative news” sources are pulling back the curtain that always protected and enabled them so they can no longer control the narrative as they have before. The only way the left can win in the long run is to regain their control of information, and that means controlling content. This is exactly what they have tried to do in many European countries and Australia, but they haven’t gained control of the web and until they do, they will continue to lose.

    • Carbon Bigfoot says:

      Reminds me of how my father described the intelligence of the female persuasion: ” when the good lord put that other hole down there all their fucking brains ran out “. just sayin. My oldest daughter is a doctor and the best diagnostician in New Mexico–doesn’t apply across the board —-only with Cult liberals.

  7. RAH says:

    Ach! Sometimes I wish we could edit our posts. “The end justifies the means”.

  8. RAH says:

    Baby it’s cold outside. In the Arctic and especially Greenland.

  9. Andy DC says:

    According to charts produced by the US Government, Arctic sea ice is at almost exactly at the 10 year mean for this date. Thus there is no death spiral or significant ice loss over over the past 10 years.

    Another alarmist poster child bites the dust!

    • RAH says:

      Speaking of Alarmist posters. An indication just how cold it is in the Arctic is that Griff hasn’t shown her face here for awhile to try and defend the lies with more lies. And Jimbo seems to have fallen into a black hole a few months ago.

  10. Pathway says:

    Arctic sea ice is 2.8%of the earths surface. It is the tropics that count. No hot spot no AGW.

  11. David Jay says:

    I continue to wonder if the eastern approach to Cambridge Bay will even open up this year. The middle of July and there is still 2m thick ice between Baffin Island and Somerset Island.

  12. Anon says:

    QUESTION: for Tony or anyone, I am trying to understand the graph “gray area”. If that is the mean, plus or minus two standard deviations, doesn’t that mean we have been out of the normal area since 2013? I don’t see a trend within recent years. But is there a significance to what is beginning to look like a new, lower normal? What am I missing?

    • neal s says:

      Imagine a sine wave. Lets say you start sampling shortly after the peak, and then stop sampling long before the sine wave hits bottom. You declare this subset of a repeating cycle to be your ‘mean’. Then all along the sine wave till it hits bottom it looks like you are continually less than the mean. Even when the sine wave starts coming up again, it still looks like you are below the mean. Only when you get close enough to the top of the sine wave, will it look like you are getting back to your ‘mean’. We haven’t yet gotten close enough to the top of the sine wave, so that alarmists are still whining and crying and predicting total summer sea ice eradication. It is all just pure BS.

    • RAH says:

      What your apparently “missing” is that a 20 year mean is a long term weather metric and not climate by any reasonable definition.

      Besides the fact that sea ice extent is a lousy proxy for temperature of air or sea because more often than not the greatest changes result from the wind/wave action and storms and not temperature, insolation, or salinity, etc.

      And as neal s was getting at. The fact is that in 1979 the Arctic sea ice extent was the highest it has been during the satellite record and in fact probably the highest it has been during the life times of most of us. Thus when you start a mean just at the end of an anomaly your going to have a skewed metric.

    • AndyG55 says:

      If you look at the Icelandic sea ice record (below) you will see that the late 1970’s was a time of extreme Arctic sea ice, up there with a lot of the extent of the Little Ice Age. That extent is FAR above Holocene norms.

      Bio-data clearly shows that for much of the first 7000-8000 years, there was actually zero summer sea ice. The current extent is still above 90-95% of the Holocene extent. The current extent is ANOMALOUSLY HIGH on a long term historical perspective.

      You only get a decreasing trend when you start measuring from levels equal to those of the COLDEST period in 10,000 years.

      • Griff says:

        Again I will tell you that the reason for that ice free period was the then orbital tilt of the earth during the summer months.

        and yet today we see record low levels of sea ice WITHOUT the massive extra insolation provided by that orbital affect.

        So according to you, having and not having a massive summer melting influence is EXACTLY the same!!!

        • gator69 says:

          Again I will tell you that the reason for that people are starving to death is because you alarmists are causing assets to be misallocated.

          and yet today we see record low levels of starved childrfen WITHOUT the food or clean water thanks to the likes of Ms griff.

          So according to you, having and not having a massive supply of food is EXACTLY the same!!!

        • AndyG55 says:

          No we DO NOT see record low.

          Current levels are ANOMALOUSLY HIGH. They are higher than they have been for 90-95% of the Holocene.

          1979 was up there with the extent of the LIA, the coldest period of the last 10,000 years.

          !940’s was probably about the same as now, and MWP was much, much LOWER.

          Get over it, little bed-wetter. !!

        • AndyG55 says:

          “a massive summer melting influence”

          You mean like the GRAND SOLAR MAXIMUM of the latter part of last century.

          Poor little bed-wetter.. Tell your “helper” that you need a new nappy.

        • RAH says:

          There are plenty of effects from our orbital mechanics now well understood. And I’m not just talking about the earths orbit around the sun but also our solar systems orbit around the galaxy. Heck, astronomers are trying to figure out if there is another massive planet that has not been detected in our solar system.

          The alarmists believe that we know all while at the same time believing that the majority of humans don’t know what’s good for themselves.

        • sunsettommy says:

          You are a truly stupid person, a WORLD class stupid,why do I say that Griff?

          Because you have been SHOWN science papers showing good evidence of little to no Summer ice of 6-8,000 years ago,which lasted for a few thousand years. Then again 3,000 years ago at the peak of the Minoan period,then during the MWP,which is just around 1,000 years ago.

          Your orbital tilt argument is invalidated.

          Meanwhile YOU were shown this SEVERAL FREAKING TIMES now!


          How do you explain the chart,little girl? Your Orbital Tilt argument will not work for you here,since it calls you a liar.

          How come you ignore the evidence that CURRENTLY Arctic ice level is well above average for the interglacial period?

          You ignore it because you are a dog eared,drooling, egg sucking leftist warmist troll.

      • RAH says:

        Griff says:
        July 15, 2017 at 9:43 am
        “Again I will tell you that the reason for that ice free period was the then orbital tilt of the earth during the summer months.”

        Oscillations in the degree of Earth’s axial tilt (obliquity) occur on a periodicity of 41,000 years

        Precession or IOW the wobble has a periodicity of 23,000 years.

        Most agree with Milankovitch that obliquity has the greatest effect on earths climate.

        So Griff, tell us where on the graph below that the Milankovitch cycle corresponds to the virtually ice free period on the graph of Iceland Ice Index that AndyG55 provided.

        • gator69 says:

          Come on RAH! We all know by now that Ms Griff is not interested in science or facts, she just uses that ruse to starve tens of thousands of innocent brown people daily.

          Ms Griff really hates poor brown people.

  13. RAH says:

    You gotta be shitting me! Now “scientists” say that the nearly extinct and starving polar bears are coming to kill us all.

    “Polar bears hurt by climate change are more likely to turn to a new food source — humans”

    Is there any level of pure bull shit out of bounds for these guys?

    • AndyG55 says:

      “Is there any level of pure bull shit out of bounds for these guys?”

      Seriously Rah??? Do you need to even ask that question ??

      The answer is a big resounding…. NO !!!

    • gator69 says:

      Why aren’t they happy about this? An endless supply of slow moving food for the poley bears, and another way to help rid the world of those nasty humans. You just cannot make leftists happy.

  14. Stewart Pid says:

    Tony – more proof of GLO-BULL warming …. snow in Schefferville Quebec on July 12th! I spent the summer of 1979 looking for uranium and base metals just north of here and temps were usually in the 20’s C but summer was over by mid August when it started dipping below freezing at night. We got lots of rain but no snow in July. That summer convinced me that a career in oil was a better choice than sticking with mineral exploration.

    • Andy DC says:

      Snow in July, even for Schefferville must be very rare. It looks like more than flurries, actually a couple inches in sheltered areas.

      Of course our alarmist friends will claim it is all totally consistent with a frying planet and by no means eliminates the need for a huge carbon tax and world communism!

  15. Griff says:

    That cruise liner is preparing to sail thru the NW passage again…

    How many cruise liners sailed thru it without any need to use an icebreaker in the entire 20th century?

    • gator69 says:

      How many people did you alarmists starve to death yesterday Ms Griff? Do you remember?

      • Griff says:

        Your ridiculous statements don’t change the science or the facts.

        2017 is heading for another low sea ice extent – in the top 3 or even a new record.

        Have you ever thought of trying to explain why that is?

        Are you completely ignorant of the effects on weather systems and the lives of people in the region the changes will bring?

        You sir are a clown, hiding behind offensive statements because you cannot argue with scientific evidence…

        • AndyG55 says:

          You have NO FACTS, griff.

          2017 will be nowhere near as low as during the MWP and before.

          You are DENYING the fact that current levels are above what they have been for 90-95% of the Holocene.

          All you are doing is wetting your own bed, and everybody is laughing at you

          Get your bladder under control, little child. !!!

          Too many tales of “chicken little” or something ????

        • gator69 says:

          Oh my! I’ve finally struck a nerve in Ms Griff. LOL

          Now let’s see just how “offensive” my statements are.

          I am advocating for saving 21,000 innocent human lives each and every day, while you advocate for ice at the expense of 21,000 innocent lives each and every day.

          Who is offensive Ms Griff? We could have asked the 21,000 people you helped to snufff out yesterday, but…

          Ms Griff thinks that changing weather patterns are worse than starvation. Would she feel the same if it was her family dying at the hands of alarmists?

          I may be a clown Ms Griff, but you most certainly are a genocidal fiend.

        • It would be truly wonderful if sea ice extent was diminishing. The benefits of “Global Warming” would be immense. Too bad it is not happening.

          If you think CO2 will cause the temperature to rise you need to increase your “Carbon Footprint”……..why not buy a gas guzzler, a second or third residence and travel on a Gulfstream jet. Al Gore does all this and more so you know it makes sense.

    • AndyG55 says:

      YAWN !

      You truly are a child-minded little twerp, Aren’t you griff.!

      Barely out of nappies, little bed-wetter ????

      • Griff says:

        And once again you go back to the first grade… gee, what a star you must have been at recess!

        You can’t argue with the figures can you? Looked at any satellite photos recently?

        How come cruise liners can annually pass thru the waters Amundsen took 2 years to get thru, year after year??

        • AndyG55 says:

          You really are a stupid little trollette.

          Amundsen was MAPPING as he went through, dolt , and he didn’t have satellite navigation to help him.

          Surely your ignorance isn’t that deep. !

          Arctic sea ice is way above what it has been for 90-95% of the last 10,000 years,

          But the RECOVERY from the EXTREMES of the LIA and the late 1970’s has unfortunately halted.

          It would have been so much better for everyone living up there if they could have had long period during the summer for travel, commerce, fishing etc.

          What are you going to use as an excuse for your manic bed-wetting when Arctic sea ices start to increase as the AMO starts to drop back down.?

        • gator69 says:

          And once again you go back to your genocide… gee, what a star you must have been torturing small animals!

          You can’t argue with the dead bodies can you? Looked at any starving children photos recently?

          Who cares that cruise liners can annually pass thru the waters when seven million innocent humans will needlessly starve to death again this year?

          • Now you are getting serious.

            Maurice Strong, David Suzuki and a horde of “Evil Ba***rds” wanted to tear down our industrial civilization based on fossil fuels even though they know that would cause misery and death by war or pestilence or starvation for billions of people.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            “even though they know …”

            It’s a feature, not a bug. I know that you know it.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          Ms Griff’s favorite TV personality has a new children’s show …

          • RAH says:

            Griff says:
            July 16, 2017 at 8:53 am
            “It hasn’t recovered in 11 years to its pre-2007 state, has it?”

            Recovered to what? The exceptionally high level of 1979? Tell us Griff, exactly what is the perfect level of Arctic sea Ice?

    • AndyG55 says:

      Amundsen 1903, in a little sloop.

      Larsen 1944 in a small boat with a tiny motor.

      And they used to fish and hunt whale in the area before the extremes of the LIA.

      Wouldn’t you agree that the people living up there would be far better off without SO MUCH SEA ICE.

      Fishing, Commerce, Travel… all become far more viable.

      But you DON’T CARE about the well being of actual PEOPLE, do you, little bed-wetter.

      • Griff says:

        And you don’t care about facts.

        The state of the sea ice is materially different than in the 20th century (even to the parts of the 20th century with low ice extent).

        The state of the NW passage is annually materially different.

        And there has to be a reason for that: a warming earth.

        and of course the changes in climate will impact the weather and the means of making a living of all in the arctic region.

        you do realise that arctic communities rely on the ice for hunting and moving about during the winter?

        With no ice their lives change profoundly

        • AndyG55 says:

          Stop wetting your bed griff.

          The Arctic is RECOVERING from the EXTREMES of the LIA and the late 1970’s

          And no, they don’t “rely”on it, they find a way to cope with the massive extremes they have had to put up with over the last 40 or more years.

          You seem to be TOTALLY IGNORANT of all climate history apart from the short period since the LIA, which was the COLDEST period in 10,000 years.

          Why aren’t you living in Siberia if you HATE the warmth so much ???

          • Griff says:

            It hasn’t recovered in 11 years to its pre-2007 state, has it?

          • AndyG55 says:

            MASIE has the level for this day above that of .. 2006, 2007,2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016.

            Oops….. data shows that griff is just wetting its nappy , yet again.

            WAKE up and go to the loo, little child, save you bed another soakjing.

            There is NOTHING wrong with the Arctic sea ice, except that there is SO DARN MUCH of it.

            Its currently way above what it has been for some 90-95% of the last 10,000 years

          • AndyG55 says:

            Peer reviewed, griff

            See that little tick downwards at the left hand end.

            That is what you are having deranged conniptions, and got yourself in a hysterical, terror stricken lather about.

          • AndyG55 says:

            The ONLY time Arctic sea ice has been higher than now was during the LIA, the COLDEST period in 10,000 years, and for a couple of short periods since the LIA, later 1970’s being one of them.

            If you are TRULY TERRIFIED of warming, little bed-wetter, move out of your inner city fossil fuel heated ghetto and go live in Siberia.

            But you won’t , will you… you need a constant supply of clean nappies.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “The state of the sea ice is materially different than in the 20th century ”

          Oh, you have satellite data before 1976, do you.

          All real evidence points to the current level being WAY HIGHER than 90-95% of the Holocene.

          Arctic sea ice has been much lower than now, And the Arctic region thrived.

          The Extremes of the LIA and the late 1970’s have been a real pain in the a**e for everyone living up in the region.

          But you wouldn’t know that would you, tucked up in your little inner city ghetto with fossil fuel heating in winter.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “With no ice their lives change profoundly”.. for the better.

          We could also look at the Arctic temperatures.

          Much the same now as in the 1940s, with a massive cold spike around the late 1970s

        • AndyG55 says:

          We could also look at unadjusted temperatures in the arctic region

        • AndyG55 says:

          or you could read some clippings from 1922,

          “Arctic may become temperate zone”….. roflmao!!!

          maybe that was your grandma, wetting her bed..

          If you actually get some HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE,
          little griff, you will see that there is no need to be continually wetting your bed, and continually living your pitiful life in a state of abject terror.

        • gator69 says:

          Ms Griff says…

          And you don’t care about facts.

          What about this fact Ms Griff?

          These were the bad projects. As you might see the bottom of the list was climate change. This offends a lot of people, and that’s probably one of the things where people will say I shouldn’t come back, either. And I’d like to talk about that, because that’s really curious. Why is it it came up? And I’ll actually also try to get back to this because it’s probably one of the things that we’ll disagree with on the list that you wrote down.
          The reason why they came up with saying that Kyoto — or doing something more than Kyoto — is a bad deal is simply because it’s very inefficient. It’s not saying that global warming is not happening. It’s not saying that it’s not a big problem. But it’s saying that what we can do about it is very little, at a very high cost. What they basically show us, the average of all macroeconomic models, is that Kyoto, if everyone agreed, would cost about 150 billion dollars a year. That’s a substantial amount of money. That’s two to three times the global development aid that we give the Third World every year. Yet it would do very little good. All models show it will postpone warming for about six years in 2100. So the guy in Bangladesh who gets a flood in 2100 can wait until 2106. Which is a little good, but not very much good. So the idea here really is to say, well, we’ve spent a lot of money doing a little good.
          And just to give you a sense of reference, the U.N. actually estimate that for half that amount, for about 75 billion dollars a year, we could solve all major basic problems in the world. We could give clean drinking water, sanitation, basic healthcare and education to every single human being on the planet. So we have to ask ourselves, do we want to spend twice the amount on doing very little good? Or half the amount on doing an amazing amount of good? And that is really why it becomes a bad project. It’s not to say that if we had all the money in the world, we wouldn’t want to do it. But it’s to say, when we don’t, it’s just simply not our first priority.

          Why does Ms Griff hate poor brown people?

        • gator69 says:

          Ms Griff says:
          July 15, 2017 at 12:15 pm

          With no ice their lives change profoundly

          Once again we see the mental illness that makes a person a leftist. Ms Griff believes she cares about the lives of humans, yet she willingly sacrifices 21,000 innocent humans every day for ice.

          The only other explanation is that Ms Griff hates poor brown people.

        • Are you against a “Warming Earth”? If so please explain why.

          Have you ever thought about the benefits of a warmer climate or more CO2?

          • AndyG55 says:

            “Have you ever thought….”

            This is griff, a climate parrot, that you are talking to.

            I doubt it has had a original, or rational, thought in its feeble little life.

    • RAH says:

      With escort and helicopter I’m sure.

      • Griff says:

        Well prudence would demand you planned for the worse, I’m sure.

        But did they use the icebreaker? No.

        Would they have had to, constantly, pre 2000? yes

        • AndyG55 says:

          How many icebreakers got stuck last year, griff.. because of too much Arctic sea ice.

          It would such a HUGE BENEFIT if they had even a couple of weeks extra time each year where ice breakers weren’t essential.

          Unfortunately, the AMO has started to turn, so Arctic sea will be starting to climb again over the next few years.

          Hopefully that will help with your bladder control.

        • RAH says:

          They used a hardened ship for their escort. One capable of navigating thicker ice than a ship of standard design.

        • gator69 says:

          Ms Griff says:
          July 16, 2017 at 8:54 am

          Well prudence would demand you planned for the worse, I’m sure.

          No, prudence demands we save human lives first.

          Why do you hate poor brown people Ms Griff?

    • sunsettommy says:

      Your Cruise Liner babble, doesn’t even begin to help support your AGW scam.

      Why bother boring us with your dead arguments?

      • Griff says:

        You tell me:

        Is there a difference between being able to sail cruise liners through a stretch of water and a stretch of water blocked to navigation by thick ice?

        • AndyG55 says:

          Petty little bed-wetter, aren’t you griff.

          Larson sailed in 1944, no-one has followed his route since.

          And even they do eventually manage to

          TOTALLY BENEFICIAL to all living up there.

          Fishing, Travel, Commerce all become possible again,

          you know, like before the LIA.

        • gator69 says:

          Ms Griff says:
          July 16, 2017 at 8:55 am

          You tell me:

          Is there a difference between being able to sail cruise liners through a stretch of water and a stretch of water blocked to navigation by thick ice?

          No, you tell me. Is there a difference between human life and ice? And why do you hate poor brown people Ms Griff?

        • sunsettommy says:

          Then you can’t support the AGW conjecture.

          You have been shown repeatedly that for large parts of the interlacial period,there were little to no Summer ice. Polar Bears survived, Civilizations thrived and the planet hummed along.

          You ignore it because it destroys your childish woe is the Arctic narrative.

    • Andy DC says:

      These charts, produced by the National Ice Center and the US Navy, clearly show that Arctic sea ice is currently exactly at the normal for the last ten years. That should prove to Ms. Griff beyond any shadow of a doubt that there is no death spiral or a prospect of an ice free Arctic materializing anytime soon.

      It is all the more remarkable that ice is normal after it was not in very good shape at the end of winter. It has actually been quite a slow melt season.

      Ms. Griff, you are buying into alarmist propaganda that is way behind the times. I would kindly recommend that you not crawl out of your hole again, at least until next summer.

    • wizzum says:

      When was the first cruise liner built that had the necessary ice ratings for the arctic ocean?

      • Griff says:

        It is an ordinary cruise liner.

        When did the NW passage turn from an ice locked channel to open water every summer?

        • AndyG55 says:

          With satellite navigation, thick steel hull, ice-beaker escort,

          And if there isn’t free ice.. they will wimp out.

          Arctic sea ice is way above the Holocene norm , little bed-wetter.

          Higher than it has been for some 90-95% of the Holocene.

        • gator69 says:

          Ms Griff says:
          July 16, 2017 at 8:59 am

          It is an ordinary cruise liner.

          And filled with genocidal ghouls who hate poor brown people.

          When did you start hating poor brown people Ms Griff?

    • arn says:

      come on.

      You sank to such a new low that you really compare amundsens low low tech boat with a huge moder ship made of supersteel.??
      Let me tell you a thing or two:
      with todays top-cars you can drive uphill 5x faster
      than with those at the beginning of the 20th century downhill.
      And with modern cars you can cross 1000miles of sahara(remember paris dakar rally)
      off road with your car still working
      while you couldn’t cross a 100 yard meadow without
      with a car from 1910 without a breakdown.

      I really hope i missunderstood your arguement due to my bad english.
      In case i did not i’d advise you to convert to the religion whos god is such a sick pervert that he creates a minimum of 72 young girls(so young that they only have hair on
      their head) to be sexually abused by his male followers((while the female get zero sex toy humans))

  16. Griff says:

    “June saw the ice retreat at a faster than average rate. On July 2, Arctic sea ice extent was at the same level recorded in 2012 and 2016. In 2012, September sea ice extent reached the lowest in the satellite record”

    • AndyG55 says:

      SO WHAT, why are you wetting your bed again, griff. ?

      Arctic sea ice is WAY above the Holocene average. above the level it has been for 90-95% of the last 10,000 years.

      Tell us griff, do you live somewhere warm in summer, using fossil fuel heating in winter?? That’s what most people do, because they prefer it.

      So off you trot and get your nappy changed again, and stop your childish pleas for attention, little bed-wetter..

    • Stewart Pid says:

      Griff u tool …. you should be more concerned with the cold and wet weather at Silverstone. Everyone is bundle up and trying not to freeze. GLO-BULL warming my arse.

    • RAH says:

      Move to Greenland Griff. So far it’s been a year without a summer for most that live there.

    • gator69 says:

      June saw 630,000 innocent humans snuffed out by Ms Griff & Co. But this is obviously not bad enough for her, she must be shooting for at least 800,000 in July.

      • Griff says:

        8 million people are year are dropping dead – why?

        I’m still waiting for an explanation on how observing actual temperature and ice extent changes kills people…

        • AndyG55 says:

          Because the CO2 HATERS, like you, have denied them solid reliable power, you slimy little anti-human cretin.

          CO2 provides EVERYTHING that keeps you alive..

          Do you really HATE your own life that much.

          From your comments, you almost certainly do.

          • Griff says:

            I’m sorry – I hadn’t noticed the efforts over the last 60 years to roll out reliable coal powered electricity across Africa… what actual effort has the fossil fuel industry put in there?

        • gator69 says:

          I’m still waiting for an explanation on how observing actual temperature and ice extent changes kills people…

          Ms Griff, I have posted the answer to you stu[id question dozens of times, and at least once earlier on this thread…

          And it isn’t just me, it is a global consensus…

    • sunsettommy says:

      Does that mean another year of failed no summer ice predictions is in the pipeline?


      Meanwhile you keep ignoring the numerous science papers showing that CURRENTLY Summer ice cover is above average for the entire interglacial period.

      • Griff says:

        The ice levels are declining towards a summer ice free arctic.

        The last times that happened there was a significantly higher summer rate of insolation or we were deep into a warm interglacial period.

        we are in neither condition now…

        • RAH says:

          Griff says:
          July 16, 2017 at 9:03 am
          “The ice levels are declining towards a summer ice free arctic.”

          No they aren’t. Just because you want something to happen doesn’t mean it will. Temperatures in the Arctic have been running below the mean for 100 days now Griff.

          The reason why the Arctic has not been “ice free” is because for several years running the above normal temperatures have been during the winter months but though it has been warmer then usual then it is still below freezing. For the your fervent wish to come true it will have to get well above the mean in the summer and stay they for awhile, and that simply has not been happening and in fact this summer the exact opposite is happening.

          You and all those that keep hanging their AGW hat on the Arctic sea ice are fools for more than one reason.

          • Griff says:

            In the central arctic they have been slightly low against the long term average…

            But is that doing anything to stem progress toward a record low extent?

            Look at the extent figures (same as 2012) and look at the much worse ice thickness/mass/concentration figures than 2012.

            How can you say it isn’t declining further?

            and I don’t think you understand what influences ice melt.

          • gator69 says:

            Why do you hate poor brown people Ms Griff?

        • sunsettommy says:

          Again you are a liar since you have been shown repeatedly that the decline trend stopped after 2006,

        • sunsettommy says:

          There will be no ice free Arctic this summer,little lying girl.

          • Griff says:

            But there will be a record low – in top 3 or new low record – won’t there?

            and it hasn’t recovered in 11 years to pre 2007 levels, has it?

          • gator69 says:

            Who in their right mind gives a rats ass?

            Why do you hate poor brown people Ms Griff?

          • AndyG55 says:

            NO griff, it hasn’t recovered to pre-LIA levels has it.

            Its still WAY above what it has been for some 900-95% of the Holocene.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Summer free Arctic

        Do you mean 1 Wadham ?

        You are a JOKE, little bed wetter.!!!

        Go and take your MORONIC, CHILD-MINDED, chicken-little HYSTERIA elsewhere.

  17. gator69 says:

    For Ms Griff:

    Imagine if we put all the resources wasted on the Climate Change Industry into curing diseases and feeding people who struggle to survive day to day right now.

    About 21,000 people die every day of hunger or hunger-related causes, according to the United Nations. This is one person every four seconds, as you can see on this display. Sadly, it is children who die most often.

    Yet there is plenty of food in the world for everyone. The problem is that hungry people are trapped in severe poverty. They lack the money to buy enough food to nourish themselves. Being constantly malnourished, they become weaker and often sick. This makes them increasingly less able to work, which then makes them even poorer and hungrier. This downward spiral often continues until death for them and their families.

    That works out to 7,665,000 every year.

    • Griff says:

      A practical way to reduce poverty is to reduce peoples dependence on kerosene lanterns by selling them solar powered LED lighting.

      Kerosene is the commonest source of lighting for millions of of grid people in Africa. and it is expensive and takes much of their disposable income.

      LED lights now being sold reduce family costs… more money for food

      There are plenty of sites where you can subscribe to help this practical programme…

      • gator69 says:

        Ms Griff plans to sell LED lights to those who cannot afford food.

        She is a diabiolical genocidal genius.

      • gator69 says:

        PS – Notice how Ms Griff tiptoes past the graveyard, and makes no comment on the fact that a UN poll of the globe places climate change as the least of our concerns, even lower than internet service!

        She really hates poor brown people!

      • Only a sick mind would advocate solar power as a “Solution” for people who still use kerosene lamps.

        We in the “First World” can’t afford solar power so how can you imagine that “Third World” people can afford it?

        I was brought up on a farm in Wales with no electricity; we used oil for our lighting and cooking. Our water was hand pumped. Many people around the world still live like that. My dream is electricity in every dusty hamlet.

        The way to achieve that is to build two or more 100 MWe generation IV nuclear reactors each day or an equivalent number of coal or gas fired electrical generating plants. Forget about wind/solar “Solutions” that are expensive and unreliable.

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