Never Trump Update

NeverTrumpers said Trump would back down on his promise to repeal Obamacare.

As soon as Trump tried to repeal Obamacare, the NeverTrumpers backed down on their promise to repeal Obamacare.

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28 Responses to Never Trump Update

  1. gator69 says:

    Republicans are their own worst enemy. Even when democrats hand them a win, republicans still manage to somehow forfeit.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Same down here.

      Two Greens senators forced to resign because they held dual citizenship..

      And the weak Turnbull non-conservative government refuses to use this to push through much needed legislation.

      PATHETIC !

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      “The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work and then they get elected and prove it.”

      —P. J. O’Rourke

  2. mat says:

    Speaking of never Trump’ers. Check out the latest from Mike Cernovich on the dem’s Russia construct, via the state department email leak… 2:45
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_xSZvdEclU

    And for fun, check out Scott Adam’s (of Dilbert fame) vid on how CNN’s Don Lemon is guilty of treason via Russian collusion… 13:23
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9BEGSokIBo&t=2s

  3. Kris J says:

    Yes, Congress has gotten themselves in a real jam now. They’re going to witness real global warming out in the precincts now, as this news reaches voters who expected better

    • Gail Combs says:

      The talk on the political blogs is going from COLD ANGER to tar, feathers, ropes, lamp posts and burn’em to the ground.

      Best suggestion so far is to start sending in FOIAs.

      Rejuvenated says:
      July 18, 2017 at 6:44 pm

      One way to scare them into realizing we are on to their game is if numerous people turn in FOIA requests demanding any and all correspondence between Congress and groups (and affiliates) like the CoC behind Ocare and subsequent legislation. Believe me, as soon as the requests hit their desks there will be droves of lawyers arguing the ramifications and scared about what we’re looking for. Been there, seen that firsthand. Make sure to request a fee waiver:

      “You may request a fee waiver for FOIA preprocessing fees. However, fee waivers are limited to situations in which a requester can show that disclosure of the requested information is in the public interest because it is likely to contribute significantly to public understanding of the operations and activities of the government and is not primarily in the commercial interest of the requester.” — Rejuvenated

      followed by

      MaineCoon says:
      July 18, 2017 at 7:23 pm

      Literally, I’ve written over 2K FOIAs (state/federal).

      Quote this law if it’s a FOIA to federal agency: Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C. 522).

      You probably know this, but for any others submitting, this would be helpful to cite.

      Next best is to join Reboob party.

      http://www.beapc.com to get involved with the party at the local level, get to vote for state party leadership and thereby get to help choose who gets the funds to run in a primary.”

      …. I still like tar and feathers….

      • Gator69 says:

        Great to see you Gail! I’m sure somebody noticed you’re up. ;-)

        • Gail Combs says:

          Hi Gator,

          Thought I would go harass some Republicans and keep up with what President Trump is doing.

          Too bad we do not have an Republicans in Congress, Just Dimmocrats and Dummocrats.

  4. Rud Istvan says:

    Drain the swamp means a lot more than Holdren and the EPA.
    That said, Obamacare proved that healthcare is much more complex than anyone in Washington understood or understands. The ‘Affordable Care Act’ was about insurance coverage reform, not affordable care. You want affordable healthcare, then there are five key reforms most RINO’s and Tea Party’s won’t agree to:
    1. Tort reform on medical malpractice. Defensive medicine alone costs $70 billion annually.
    2. Ban on prescription drug advertising. US is 1 of only 2 countries allowing it. Only $8 billion, but completely pays for ‘free’ childhood vaccinations.
    3. Serious premium increases for overweight and obesity. The direct medical costs of obesity (diabetes, cardivascular disease, …) already is more than the total for all cancer according to CDC. In 1980, no state had an obesity incidence over 10%. Now, no state has an incidence under 10%. Again, CDC figures. Obesity surcharge is expressly prohibited by Obamacare.
    4. Pay for outcomes rather than fee for service. Group practices like Mayo or Cleveland Clinic have only 60% the costs in last two years of life (all mortality conditions) of fee for service high quality operations like Mass General (Harvard) or Hopkins.
    5. (Related to 4, and also to HMO operations). 40% surcharges for private insurance plans enabling fee for survice reimbursements for treatment in non-group practice systems. That will get private hospital systems and docs changing their expensive bad habits.
    Wrote all this up in a 40 page referenced, footnoted health policy paper for McCain in 2008. Fat lot of good that did.

    • Andy DC says:

      I recently looked at my high school class picture from 1965 and was dumbfounded about how skinny everybody looked. At 185 lbs., there was only one other kid that seriously outweighed me.

      So what has changed over the past 50 years in terms of obesity? My thought is that as kids we were much more active. Even if we were not on the HS team, we were always out playing sandlot sports. Also riding our bikes all the time.

      Obesity is a complex topic, as there is a very big difference from being 240 lbs. of muscle as opposed to 240 lbs. of sedentary blubber. Fitness is probably more important than weight.

      • Kris J says:

        Hey Andy DC, regarding your musing, “So what has changed over the past 50 years in terms of obesity? My thought is that as kids we were much more active….

        I teach high school kids. They bring HUGE coffee drinks to class that have 1,000 calories of pure corn syrup. They spend lunch hour on their iPhones. They eat several slices of Costco pizza

        I’m painting with a broad brush, of course; there are others who play sports, work, etc

      • Kris J says:

        NO kids ride a bike to school; NONE.

        Parents DRIVE their kids to school; there are incredibly LONG lines of cars in the morning and afternoon. NOBODY takes the bus, either

      • Steve Parker says:

        “So what has changed over the past 50 years in terms of obesity?”

        Sugar.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          True, but this is how the employees of Great Western Sugar Company in Loveland, Colorado looked in the 1950s.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          There is also this:

          Sugar Industry and Coronary Heart Disease Research
          A Historical Analysis of Internal Industry Documents
          Cristin E. Kearns, DDS, MBA; Laura A. Schmidt, PhD, MSW, MPH; Stanton A. Glantz, PhD
          November 2016

          Abstract

          Early warning signals of the coronary heart disease (CHD) risk of sugar (sucrose) emerged in the 1950s. We examined Sugar Research Foundation (SRF) internal documents, historical reports, and statements relevant to early debates about the dietary causes of CHD and assembled findings chronologically into a narrative case study. The SRF sponsored its first CHD research project in 1965, a literature review published in the New England Journal of Medicine,which singled out fat and cholesterol as the dietary causes of CHD and downplayed evidence that sucrose consumption was also a risk factor. The SRF set the review’s objective, contributed articles for inclusion, and received drafts. The SRF’s funding and role was not disclosed. Together with other recent analyses of sugar industry documents, our findings suggest the industry sponsored a research program in the 1960s and 1970s that successfully cast doubt about the hazards of sucrose while promoting fat as the dietary culprit in CHD. Policymaking committees should consider giving less weight to food industry–funded studies and include mechanistic and animal studies as well as studies appraising the effect of added sugars on multiple CHD biomarkers and disease development.

          http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2548255

          The anti-CO2 campaign is the biggest but definitely not the first government-endorsed scientific fraud destroying the lives of millions.

          https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/3bkaan/were-all-guinea-pigs-in-a-failed-decades-long-diet-experiment

      • Rud Istvan says:

        Andy DC, since this is one of my expertise things. Try the following experiment. Get a cube (say 1 inch^3) of real lean beef. Get an equivalent cube of butter. Take a sauce pan of water, and throw both in. Which floats, which sinks? The answer is why the stupid Body Mass Index (BMI) had Michael Jordan as marginally obese at his playing prime. Wrote up the famous equivalent Miss America BMI as an example in The Arts of Truth. TH is free to copy and paste as another metric fudge; I waive copyright for him.

    • Douglas Hoyt says:

      Strongly agree on tort reform. It drives up doctor’s costs, which are passed on to their patients. For some reason, Congress never brings this up when discussing health bills. Perhaps the representatives are controlled and funded by the tort lawyers.

    • Kris J says:

      There’s already a damage cap of $250k in California.

      What’s driving it up is 1) you don’t have contractual privity with your doctor; you don’t know what things cost, and you don’t ask because you’re not the one paying for (most of) it, and 2) illegals who use the emergency dept. and don’t pay for any of it

    • Mddwave says:

      Is your paper available publicly?

  5. TA says:

    “Wrote all this up in a 40 page referenced, footnoted health policy paper for McCain in 2008. Fat lot of good that did.”

    Dang, Rud, you get around, don’t you!

    One of the more stupid things I heard today concerning Republicans not being able to pass the health care bill, was that Senators Murkowski, Collins and Capito said they wouldn’t vote for it because they thought it should be bi-partisan and the Democrats should be included.

    I guess these clueless individuals missed the part about how the Democrats were going to obstruct everything the Republicans did, and have proceeded to do just that. So what makes these Senators think they are going to get cooperation from the Democrats? It’s a head scratcher.

    The only way the Democrats will cooperate is if the Republicans say they are going to fix Obamacare rather than repeal and replace it. This way, if the Republicans manage to fix the health care program, it will still be called Obamacare, and the Democrats will say “See how good Obamacare is, what a wonderful legacy he left us.” Republicans should never put us in the position of having to listen to something so horrible.

    No. The Republicans need to put a stake in Obamacare’s heart, and do health care in an entirely different way, the free market way.

    The word is the Senate is going to hold a vote to repeal Obamacare whether they have the required 50 votes or not. I hope they do, then we can see which Republicans we need to concentrate on replacing during the next election. This vote will separate the wheat from the chaff.

    What we don’t want happening is for the Republican Congress to screw up so much that it ends up giving the Democrats the majority in the House. If that happens, impeachment will be first on the Democrat’s agenda, and every subcommittee in the House will be investigating every aspect of the Trump administration. You think it’s bad now. Wait until the Democrats get some political power. No, we want to avoid that at all costs. That may put a serious dent in the “Trump era” and in our future and we can’t afford to allow the Liberals to run our country into the ground any more.

    Republicans need to think about the longterm implications of their votes as regards the future of this country.

    Come 2018, some uncooperative Republican Senators may be getting a visit from President Trump to their state, to campaign for their Republican opponent. Trump is being nice right now in hope of getting the votes, but if it becomes clear you are an obstacle, then Trump can get real serious about it, too. I wouldn’t want Trump breathing down my neck.

    • neal s says:

      I wonder if there might be a few demonrat senators who would be willing to vote to repeal and replace ACA if it meant that they could keep their seats for another term. There might be some who might be at risk of losing their seats in the next election, and might also be smart enough to discern the growing dissatisfaction among the voters.

      There are a couple of ways to get elected and stay elected. One is to get money from lobbyists and serve their masters while lying to the public. With a public that no longer believes the lies the MSM tells them and is waking up, this approach may not work for all our representatives much longer. Another approach is to actually begin to represent the interests of the people who can vote you in, or out, of office.

      Ultimately, it makes no difference what any representative tells their constituents. What does make a difference, is what they actually do.

      I might suggest everyone informing their representatives of how important this is to all of us and for MAGA, no matter what party they claim to be part of. They need to know that we are watching, and that we are no longer so easily fooled by what they say. We will either vote them in or out, based on what they do now and in the future. If there is to be any hope for them to change, we have to make sure that they know this.

    • Andy DC says:

      I could be wrong, but I don’t think the Democrats will gain much, if anything from the 2018 elections. I believe that the Democrats have WAY overplayed their hand with this incessant, frivolous impeachment nonsense and it could very easily backfire on them.

      I also believe that outside the Beltway, people see that Trump is working very hard in their behalf, but is being fought every step of the way by snakes from both parties.

      I don’t believe these fake polls that show Trump’s approval numbers being so low. When 2018 comes, Trump will go on the stump and he will be very effective.

    • Rud Istvan says:

      TA, I do. I am a former senior exec, (background Harvard JD/MBA joint,program one year behind Mitt Romney, with whom I worked (and with Ben Nitay, now Isreal’s premier Netanyahoo for two years)). I now am CEO and principle investor in two private companies, one in health care and one in energy storage. So I don’t know a lot about other stuff, but when it comes to health care and climate change, I am on top of it. Regards. Oh, and do check out the CDC obesity subwebsite.

  6. TA says:

    And btw, the last time the Republican Senate voted to repeal Obamacare, in 2015, 52 Senators voted in favor of it, including Murkowski and Susan Collins.

    • Kris J says:

      Well, let’s not lose sight of the fact that EVERY Democrat voted against repeal/reform. We only lost, what, 5 Repo’s?

      Murkowski and Collins have always seemed real dumb to me…. but they’re not my Senators so sorry if I’m insulting anyone’s State

      • Gail Combs says:

        How can you insult people with room temperature IQs? That is room temperature in Maine in winter in the unheated bedrooms.

        (My first apartment had an unheated bedroom in upstate New York… BRRRrrrrr.)

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