Disaster Strikes Again For Climate Alarmists

Climate alarmists say they love Arctic ice, but get extremely angry when you point out that their predictions were wrong, and the ice is is doing just fine.

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  1. Winnipegboy says:

    who picked the ‘mean’ of 1981 to 2000?
    wouldn’t a moving average be more appropriate in a cyclical subject?

    • Gator says:

      Alarmists. And yes, just about any other lengthier average would be better.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Cui bono?

      noun | cui bo·no | ˈkwē-ˈbō-(ˌ)nō |

      Definition of cui bono

      1 :a principle that probable responsibility for an act or event lies with one having something to gain

      2 :usefulness or utility as a principle in estimating the value of an act or policy

      • Martin says:

        Pen Haddow and his “Arctic Mission” friends are now back in Nome having failed to sail to the North Pole. Their blog hasn’t been updated since 02/09/17 – so we have no idea as to what caused their hasty retreat from supposedly ice free waters. As they are now back in Nome it can’t be due to the lack of internet connectivity previously suggested by Jim Hunt.

        • Ari Saltiel says:

          They said it “wasn’t safe” to go any further.
          Can only mean to much ice or fear that ice would form behind them.

        • Rah says:

          They failed! They got no where close to the pole and didn’t even attempt to sail around the Arctic. So they are hyping getting to the 80th as if that were some unique accomplishment, which it wasn’t. But in leftist loon land their failures are to be recognized as accomplishments.

  2. Anon says:

    “Climate alarmists say they love Arctic ice, but get extremely angry when you point out that their predictions were wrong, and the ice is is doing just fine.”

    Extremely angry is putting it mildly:

    Calls To Imprison “Climate Change Deniers” Grow In The Wake Of Hurricane Irma

    When retired Georgia Tech professor Judith Curry penned a blog post on her “Climate Etc.” website suggesting that it was scientifically irresponsible to tie the intensity of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma directly to climate change, she probably didn’t expect that she might trigger 1,000’s of progressives to call for her immediate imprisonment. Unfortunately, for both Curry and society at large, that is exactly what happened.

    Read the rest here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-12/calls-imprison-climate-change-deniers-grow-wake-hurricane-irma

    As AGW is a theory that is purportedly as robust as Relativity, and beyond scientific debate, there should be no reason to get Arctic Melting predictions wrong.

    Given that, I could support a law that also imprisoned people for publishing false predictions about an Ice Free Arctic. If such a law were passed, it would solve many problems; first and foremost, there would be no longer a need for climate change skeptics. lol

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      This is one of the key observations about the members of the catastrophic global warming cult.

      One of the strangest things is their angry reaction when confronted with facts they should consider good news. You would expect that someone like Mark Hertsgaard who is frightened to get fried in CO2-caused run-away global warming would be happy when shown that no run-away warming is happening. Instead, the cultists get enraged and call for the skeptics’ ostracizing, firing, banning, imprisonment or death.

      On the surface, they behave like a man who loves to wallow in despair. He complains he is broke and has terminal cancer but gets pissed when a well-meaning observer remarks that his little tumor is not malignant and he just inherited a million dollars. It seems that global warming cultists also love the feeling of doom and misery, and they don’t want to hear it is unjustified.

      There is a parallel to this. Already in the 1920s a few non-Marxist intellectuals who deeply cared about the poor observed the doom and gloom of the Communists of their day. They understood that the Communists cynically fueled the anger of the disadvantaged. It was more important to sow hatred against the “class enemy” than to feed the poor and make their lot better. The Communists rejected all good news because it was bad news for their cause. They wanted the poor to feel miserable and join their movement. There was nothing good that could happen in the present, the salvation of the people would come only after a violent revolution and overthrow of the social order.

      It was this similarity that made me an early skeptic about the claims of an upcoming man-made global warming disaster. At the time, I certainly was not more knowledgeable about CO2 and atmospheric physics than others who believed the rapid warming was going to happen. I just recognized the pattern of thinking and argumentation, as well as the declared goals that were identical to those of the Communists. It gave me a reason to start looking at the data and the facts, and to closely follow the politics of the proponents. I predicted for myself their next steps and they proved me right. Global warming was just a tool for them to achieve a desired societal outcome. All Communist groups or publications endorses the global warming propaganda and weaved it seamlessly into their Marxist argumentation.

      I don’t know if Mark Hertsgaard is a tool or if he believes himself to be one of the master manipulators bringing about mankind’s glorious future but he uses the same methods and plays the same role as all the Communist “thinkers” of the past. I don’t know if he’s really angry or if he just fakes it but I know what his goals are.

      • Rob says:

        This is just how organized religions work. Non believers were getting locked up and worse for most of Christianity’s existence and Muslims still do this for Islam. I gather other religions have done the same towards those that don’t believe. The fact is, all main religions started as cults, if one doesn’t wish to still refer to them as cults that simply went mainstream.

        I also think many hardcores in those religions like to live a life wallowing in despair by thinking everything they do or think is a sin and all the other restrictive stuff they follow because they think their god requires that. If they were to find out tomorrow there was no god or that the god they believe in doesn’t care think everything they do is a sin and they actually don’t have to feel guilty for everything they think or do, they’d probably be upset just like many global warmists are upset the world isn’t boiling with half of all cities under water. That is if they even accepted it which they probably wouldn’t, just like the global warmists refuse to accept reality doesn’t match their predictions and keep doubling down.

        Right now global warmism is a growing religion to those people and is just following the same path as those other religions have.

        For me, hardcore believers (and the key word there is hardcore) of anything are just nuts. What they have so much belief and faith in just takes over their brain and they can’t ever accept they may been wrong with what they believe so much in.

        • Gator says:

          Non believers were getting locked up and worse for most of Christianity’s existence…

          Really? On what planet?

          Kings and governments lock people up. God gave us free will.

          • Kris Johanson says:

            And Islam is not one of the “3 great Abrahamic Religions”. It takes the basic Abrahamic family – its story and its characters – and changes their names, changes the basic details of the story, changes what the actors said and did, changes the outcome (eschatology), changes the way of salvation (soteriology), and puts a supremacist stamp on everything. It changes “love god and love your fellow man” into “convert, or submit and pay a fee in exchange for your life and live as a sub-class (Jizya), or be killed”.

          • Gator says:

            Yep, prior to 911 I always considered Islam to be one of the “great religions”. Then I educated myself on Islam, and found it is a cult of death, with no similarity to Christianity.

          • rapscallion says:

            You’ve never heard of the Spanish Inquisition then . .

          • Gator69 says:

            Thanks for bringing a great supporting story to my point.

            The SPANISH i inquisition was started by the royal family of Spain, and not the Catholic Church. Kings were given their sovereignty by God, so if there were nonbelievers in the kingdom, that undermined the authority of the King. Once the Catholic Church saw what the King was doing to their flock, the church convinced the royal family to allow them to conduct investigations. The torture and imprisonment ended under the direction of he church.

            Now go and parrot nonsense no more.

        • Gail Combs says:

          It is starting… Or should I say it is getting worse.

          Utah Valley University Faculty Must Report ‘Argumentative’ Students To ‘Behavior Assessment Team’

          …As colleges across the United States crack down on free speech and the expression of political views that do not align with the progressive left, Utah Valley University has issued an advisory for its professors and campus faculty to report any students who act out of turn to the school’s Behavior Assessment Team.

          The new guidance policy, issued by the dean’s office of the publicly funded Utah Valley University, calls on campus faculty to report students who use “inappropriate language,” behave in “argumentative” ways, or speak “loudly” to be dealt with….

          The professor described the Behavior Assessment Team as a “tool of intimidation instead of a tool to foster inclusion.” The professor said that the faculty was told that the team was established to deal with students who represented a threat to others’ physical safety or for students who disrupted classes, but is instead functioning as a Bias Response Team.

          “This year is the first time when we have been encouraged to report students for their words that may go against the inclusivity initiative or that may subjectively make someone ‘feel unsafe,’” the professor said.

        • Gail Combs says:

          If you are complaining about Christians I suggest to look at Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret

          Note I am an Agnostic….

      • CheshireRed says:

        Colorado Wellington says:
        September 13, 2017 at 3:44 pm

        Spot on! I’ve said that many times myself (for example the Pause) that what should be seen as good news is reacted to with outright fury. It’s a sure-fire giveaway that despite overdosing on virtue they’re more concerned with saving their arses than the planet.

        There’s also the small matter that to move a man you need to scare him witless (or offer money or sex) and without a relentless barrage of climate fear AGW is dead.

        • Gail Combs says:

          At this point CAGW is dead anyway. We use repeated scares with nothing bad happening to make a horse spook proof.

          CAGW doesn’t even register on the ‘concerns’ list for people anymore.

          • RAH says:

            The average person gets concerned when they want to put in windmills on or around their property or the want to eliminate their place of employment in the coal mining and processing industry or closed down the coal fired power plant, or shut down the NG or oil drilling operations.

            That is what people are concerned about. Across I-70 in eastern PA one can see the billboards that expresses that concern and anger.

            When I drive across I-

    • arn says:

      How many times people asked for the imprisonment of relativity theory deniers?
      =0 times.

      Because this theory(just like other true things) does not need laws
      to be protected and is open for dialogue and criticizm
      (not saying that this theory(just like every big thing) does not have some fanatic idiots)
      it can stay alive alone and does not need a 1000 know-it-all sociophantic maniacs yelling around like a dog that has been hit,
      to be protected.

      +the predictions of Relativity have been a 1000 times more accurate than AGW predictions and the theory is working well for more than 100years while AGW theory is faling for decades.

      +Relativity is not surrounded by a bunch of parasites targeting your wallet.

      • neal s says:

        I see similarities between the cult of CAGW and Islam. Ultimately the goal for Islam is for everyone to either submit or die. Islam is perfectly happy to use lies, government, laws, threats of death, whatever to get people to ‘convert’. It seems to me that CAGW is pretty much the same.

        Neither will permit debate, discussion, or attacks on their ‘prophet’ or ‘profit’. Neither is actually interested in truth.

        • Rob says:

          Yes.

          Christianity was also like this earlier on as well but I guess got big enough that they didn’t need to keep trying to force and threaten people and actually accepted some don’t want to join their group because they don’t believe in what Christianity is peddling.

          Islam doesn’t seem to have ever got past that stage despite how big it is and is an example of what happens when more rational minds don’t take over the cult/religion.

          • Gator says:

            Again, Kings and governments punished and incarcerated people. Just like Hitler, evil men will coopt a religion to control the masses.

            Pop history has failed you.

          • Gail Combs says:

            Rob,
            We ended up with the Enlightenment and advanced Western civilization BECAUSE of Christianity and the idea that man is made in the image of God. This means humans should not be slaves and should not be treated like a beast of burden. China has a completely different philosophy and therefore still holds human life cheap. Islam is even worse and still has slavery.

            “The Founders of the USA (and a number of other countries) came from The Age Of Enlightenment and spent a lot of time looking over the history of mankind. They were quite able to see the flaws and faults in the various systems. It is plainly evident in the choices they made in the US Constitution”Economics 1

            The roots of Classical Liberalism, again from the Enlightment. isms, ocracies and ologies

            Socialism, Utopia, Workers Paradise

          • arn says:

            Well Rob,
            Islam can NEVER really get past this tyranny,
            as Islam means Subjugation.

            And ALL people in Islam are considered SLAVES of Allah.

            (+Mohammed was a massmurdering ,pedophile rapist)

            Every Religion has it ups and downs and the peacefull periods in Islam maybe more peacefull than the average in christianity or the bad periods in bhuddism.
            (eg. Shia muslims have a pretty good track record,but they are just about 10-15% of all muslims)

            Islam is so different to every other religion(except satanism maybe)
            and islam is hiding behind the veil of being an Abrahamid religion but it is completely different.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Neal: “Ultimately the goal for Islam is for everyone to either submit or die.”

            Rob: “Christianity was also like this earlier on as well but I guess got big enough …”

            Rob: “Islam doesn’t seem to have ever got past that stage despite how big it is …”

            Rob, I’ll be busy for the rest of the day and I will not have much time to respond but take these quotations as a small example of what’s so questionable about the things you wrote above, not just factually, but also from a coherence point of view.

            God knows I’ve embraced all kind of nonsense in my past life—most of it without knowing where it came from even though I believed I deduced it through my own reasoning—and I am always humbled by the recollection of the dumb things I once thought and proudly expressed to others. I’m quite sure I still believe and say dumb things today so here I’ll try to be gentle and wise for a change:

            Reread what you wrote in your comments, allow that you could be completely wrong in many of your beliefs and contemplate alternative answers.

            Good luck.

        • arn says:

          Well-
          both are fascist in nature.
          Both have slimey guys at the front pretending to be nice and tolerant while in fact they are completely intolerant and get really mad when they don’t get what they want ,
          they can not acceppt criticism
          and get very fast emotional/infantile
          (the standard-“tool” to avoid arguements and turn attention away from the important subjects–this way the “believer” is protected from enlightment)
          and they have huge groups of intolerant noisy pricks in the background who are hiding behind the slimey nice guys
          and both groups pretend to know the ultimate truth and are always right,while ignoring that 97% of their system&predictions is complete garbage.
          And both of them have large groups of people who refuse to work and feed on others while pretending to be so good.
          Muslims have the Jiyza (a special tax=protection money from unbelievers they must pay to be allowed to practice their religion)
          AGW”s have the co2 tax
          and they are on a permanent jihad(mandatory for all muslims btw)
          until the whole world is controlled by their religion.

          AGWislam also known as Warmislam is a real dangerous religion.

          • Gail Combs says:

            AND the EU invite to islam Jihadists is drying up because they expected the USA Paris Climate Accord money to PAY FOR THE PARASITES! — OOPS

  3. Kris Johanson says:

    The ice goes up, the ice goes down; men will find a way to adapt and use either situation to their advantage…. that’s what humans do. Alaskans and Danes and Norwegians and Russians will figure out a way to survive and flourish in either situation. We are not brain-dead, innocent primitives that need a Global Authority to save us

    Same with extreme weather: We’ve known for at least 75 years how to build structures that survive extreme winds. The US government (HUD and its predecessors) long ago carried out extensive tests on residential structural design. We know the exact requirements for anchor bolts, steel strapping, lateral bracing, braced wall sections, the exact number of nails or bolts for a given connection, etc etc and everything is published and freely available. There’s really no excuse for everything to get blown to smithereens in 100 mph winds except total disregard for design-criteria that everyone knows about

    Storm surges and flooding: pretty much the same, here. Hydraulics and soils and handling storm water and designing & building structures that control the seas are well-established fields within Civil and Geotech engineering, and there’s really no reason people should have suffer like this, other than inept and corrupt local and state government

  4. Gerald Machnee says:

    Somewhere on that chart above, there must be a part where it shows that the ice melt is increasing rapidly. I read that somehwere and they must be right.

  5. AndyG55 says:

    Arctic sea ice for 2017 is currently above 2007, 2008, 2011, 2012, 2015 and 2016 I both MASIE and NSIDC

    Well over 4½ Wadhams !

    That is one heck of a lot of sea ice, ..

    … especially when compared to the first 3/4 or more of the current interglacial.

  6. Chrism says:

    Steve – I saw a thing called the “PIOMAS Arctic Sea Ice Volume” chart. It plots the data from 1979 to 2017. I don’t believe the sample size is statistically significant, however, it paints an interesting picture: https://sites.google.com/site/pettitclimategraphs/sea-ice-volume the data seems to be the same as you have here, but over that entire duration.

    Even comparing to your mean there has been ice loss over that time and I’m curious what your thoughts are – I don’t know enough about it to be informed.

    • JonA says:

      I don’t think anyone is suggesting that *Arctic* sea ice volume has not
      diminished over the publicly available data for the Satellite era. I’ll
      leave others to debate the start date if they so wish.

      The point is that it said to be in a ‘death spiral’ with some prognosticators
      saying that the Arctic would be ‘ice free’ in the summer by now. This is
      clearly not the case. The data show that, despite near constant jiggering
      with the post processing, Arctic ice volume is stable over the last ten
      years (five years in the plot). For some reason I’m struggling to find the
      equivalent data for the Antarctic ;-)

      The bigger question in my mind is so what? why do we think reduced
      Arctic sea ice volume is significant?

    • AndyG55 says:

      Arctic sea ice was at an extreme high level in the late1970’s, up there with the levels of the LIA……. NOT GOOD.

      https://s19.postimg.org/bkgbf2prn/Icelandic_sea_ice_index_2.png

      During the Medieval Warm Period, it was lower than today, and during the first 7000+ years of the current interglacial, the Arctic was occasionally summer ice free.

      https://s19.postimg.org/vgdnb299v/Arctic-_Sea-_Ice-_Holocene-_Stein-17.jpg

      The FACT is that the current level of se ice is above what it has been for some 90-95% of the last 10,000 years.. ie it is ANOMALOUSLY HIGH.

      The REAL climate change DENIERS are those that disregards the science that shows that the Earth is currently only a small amount above the COLDEST period in 10,000 years.

      Not a Modern Warm Period… but a Modern SLIGHTLY Warm Period.

    • gator69 says:

      1979 is a cherry pick, and is not a starting point that an honest or ethical scientist would use.

    • sunsettommy says:

      Chrism,

      PIOMAS starts at year 1979, while we have continuous satellite data back to 1973.

      POIMAS is often the outlier among several others ,showing the lowest ice cover,which is why alarmists prefer it. Look at MASIE,NORSEX and others to see they often show a higher level.

      Why would they ignore the 1973-1978 part anyway?

  7. Stewart Pid says:

    Its worse than Griff thought!! The Grifftard will now have to get a new routine as the chicken little “the ice is melting” one is toast!

  8. toorightmate says:

    Griff has slept in.

  9. David A says:

    A question or two about the T record..

    Mark says…but they keep changing where they measure it.”

    Even a non scientist like myself understands the large error potential in this. Just driving around the county the T varies by several degrees.
    I also have yet to hear how what stations are used get selected. I understand some 40 to 50 percent of the network stations are not used monthly. That is a huge variance. Who makes that choice? Who decides what stations to use? Why only use 50 percent of the network? Who decides what stations influence other stations up to 1200 k away?
    ( I suppose the simple answer is a computer code) Yet that is meaningless without a complete analysis.

    Bill Illis posted a link to monthly changes occurring to the entire record every month. In his link numerous stations from some 80 years ago were adjusted down by one to three 1/100th of a degree. Why? Nobody knows.

  10. Mark Fife says:

    I read a paper recently from the late 80’s that has some interesting info. The paper was about proving the existence of the Little Ice Age, which I never thought was in doubt, but what evs. It listed a lot of proxy data, though like a lot of lay people I view proxies as indicators and may have’s. I think they do indicate something happening and do a good job of quantifying what and when within acknowledged error of course. It’s the how much that seems less reliable. The truth, I think, is a proxy is a very good guess, but it is a guess none the less.

    However this paper pointed out evidences which on face value should be compelling and hard to ignore. Such as Viking graves discovered in North America were dug deeper than later Viking graves because the permafrost line was deeper by a significant amount. I.e. conditions then were warmer than now.
    Greenland and parts of Canada trees grew in the Viking age, dwarf varieties I believe, which do not exist in those locations today. As found in excavating or searching for Viking burial sites, the remains of their root systems can be found under the permafrost layer. This again shows the permafrost layer was deeper than now.

    Tree line data. In Europe and North America tree lines in the mountains were 30 to 300 feet higher than current. Dating puts trees growing in areas now too cold to support them as living in the MWP, the RWP, and so forth. In Europe structures have been found in the Alps from the Roman era which were destroyed by advancing glaciers during subsequent cooling periods. Such areas as still glacial today. In the MWP grape cultivation in England was successful enough to compete with French wine producers. Today Grapes are beginning to be cultivated in England once more, but the climate is still too cold to support commercial cultivation. Commercial Grape cultivation extended into Germany in locations and elevations which are too cold to support Grapes today.

    This is cool. During the period of Viking expansion, Iceland was warm enough to support growing grain. Later, after the Greenland settlements failed, Iceland was almost surrounded by sea ice. Iceland is to cold to support grain production today.

    There is a lot more. You can also find much of the same and other like evidences in New Zealand, Australia, and other places around the world from those same time periods that would indicate The Medieval and Roman warm pages were world wide phenomena And not local events. There is a wealth of such evidence

    What I see is an actually quite decent amount of data which blows the it ain’t never been this hot ever out of the water all over the world.

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