Science Vs. Superstition

Jim Hunt wrote this on his blog on September 3.

And here is where we are at now :

Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph | Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis

The reason I (most likely) got this right is because (unlike mainstream climate scientists) I base my research on science and math, rather than superstition about a harmless trace gas.

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61 Responses to Science Vs. Superstition

  1. Buck Turgidson says:

    This is a good example of what happens when you challenge the religion of climate change. Out come the insults!

    So I guess I am a sheep or something b/c I look at numbers and they show a lot of temperature declines, a very quiet decade of N Atlantic hurricane activity, and a tiny rate of sea level rise that has been essentially unchanged in 100 years. How about that Arctic ice cap that we were told is supposed to be gone by now? There is a lot more.

    The predictions of the climate change alarmists keep not coming true. This is obvious to anyone who can read a chart or add.

    But if you don’t “believe”, then you get insulted. It is like arguing religion with these people, and they could not care less about science-based measurements and data. You either ‘believe’ or you are outcast. I thought science was supposed to evaluate data, and establish falsifiable hypotheses subject to testing and rejection.

    This is not science it is theology.

    • TimA says:

      Gore also stated when oil prices were uncontrollably high that we’d never see oil under a hundred dollars a barrel again…..this charlatan should have ever been and should never be taken seriously about anything…..

      • TimA says:


      • Anon says:

        It is actually supposed to be over $400 a barrel:

        Climate change study predicts refugees fleeing into Antarctica

        Climate change will force refugees to move to Antarctica by 2030, researchers have predicted.

        Refugees are expected to move to Antarctica because of the rising temperatures that will see the population of the continent increase to 3.5 million people by 2040.

        As the world fails to act on climate change, researchers predict that global trade will collapse as oil prices break through $400 a barrel and electrical appliances will get automatically turned off when households exceed energy quotas.

        My question is, how does one get paid for this kind of research?

        • Squidly says:

          They shouldn’t be paid up front. They should be paid only if and when their predictions come to fruition. So these so-called “researchers” should not be paid until 2030, and only if refugees actually do move to Antarctica. Paid again in 2040 if and only if the population in Antarctica reaches 3.5 million by 2040.

          I am betting you would see a whole lot fewer of these dire predictions.

        • Andy DC says:

          Buy your Antarctic beachfront property now, before it is to late! Please forward your deposit ($10,000 cash). I will hold it for you to take quick action as soon the land rush begins.

          Just think, by 2030, all of those bikini babes and beach volleyball games in the sand, under the moonlight! Act now before it is too late!

        • Buck Turgidson says:

          “Good enough for government work”

    • Rob says:


      I would like to ask these nuts why I or anyone else who isn’t brainwashed should believe them when they keep making predictions that are wrong and why I should trust them rather than what data charts and reality clearly show contradicts what they are pushing. Naturally, they won’t have a logical answer because of reasons you stated.

      I am really tired of people trying to tell me 2+2=5 because that is what they want it to equal.

      The scary thing is knowing how they will act if any prediction actually does come true if this is how they act when they are continually wrong. Yikes.

    • True facts. But efforts to ignore Tony are crumbling like faith-based proofs that 0.06%=97% of all scientists, and that 49% of voters is larger than 52%! On the cover of “The Health Hazards of NOT Going Nuclear,” Petr Beckmann included a dispassionate, scientific review by Ralph Nader, to wit: “A vicious, personal attack!”
      The tip of the ad-hominem iceberg is just now floating into view. “Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”

  2. gator69 says:

    So nice to know that Genocide Jiom is thinking of you, always…

  3. gregole says:

    Just watched the end of the Cassini Mission on NASA TV and it’s bracing to know that real discoveries, done by real scientists and engineers are being made.

    The climate-change charlatans and their seemingly never-ends fake claims don’t even hold a candle to real science and real discoveries. And that’s a great link Tony posted. Click on additional years and it’s easy to see that we are far, far from any kind of eventual loss of summer Arctic ice – even though I’m not convinced that less ice in the Arctic would do much of anything other than fuel speculation and make Arctic travel easier.

    • Gail Combs says:

      “…though I’m not convinced that less ice in the Arctic would do much of anything other than fuel speculation and make Arctic travel easier.”

      Actually it would be great for mankind. That is what is so laughable about the hysteria.

      As AndyG keeps telling us the Arctic was Ice Free during the earlier part of the Holocene and papers show the Arctic was 1-3C warmer than now.

      So take a look at Africa during the early-to-mid Holocene – 8,000 – 7,000 14C ya (about 9,000-8,000 ‘real’ years ago or 6000B.C.).
      “Forest extent in central and western Africa seems to have been at about its maximum around this time. For example the Oyo site in the east-central Sahara had it moistest climates and greatest vegetation cover between 9,000 and 6,000 14C y.a. (Ritchie 1994). (See main QEN review for 8,000 14C y.a. timeslice). Due to the much greater rainfall, Lake Chad (in the southern Sahara) was greatly expanded in area during all or most of this phase, and surrounded by extensive inter-dune wetlands.

      It is almost beyond doubt that there was an expanded area of the central and west African rainforest areas at this time. Schwartz (1991) has found soil isotope evidence that areas now covered by savanna in central Africa were forest at this time, and a forest expansion south of the Equator is supported by the pollen evidence of Elenga et al. (1993), which shows that the present forest-savanna mosaics were more heavily forested. The generally northward movement of monsoon rains into the Sahara region can be expected to have resulted in a northward expansion of rainforest as well, and this does appear to be the case from the pollen record (L�zine & Vernaud-Grazzini 1994). A conjectural boundary for the rainforest zone is drawn here.

      Forest and woodland areas in the rift valley region of east Africa also seem to have been more extensive around this time (Vincens 1991, Maitima 1993).”

      The Map shows northern Africa as Grasslands and the only desert is in the south western tip of Africa.

      If we go over to E. M. Smith’s site, He has a photo from The Timechart History of the World: 6000 Years of World History (fussy due to copyright) showing the expansion and contraction of various civilizations. “… a time line of world history where the width of the lines are the importance of the empire, the colors are the particular empire / ethnicity and the positioning on the page shows gross west to east geography.”

      At the top, is the big blue/grey blob representing Egypt.

      What about before Egypt was unified?
      The Predynastic period in Egypt is the name archaeologists have given to the three thousand years before the emergence of the first unified Egyptian state society.

      Scholars mark the beginning of the predynastic period somewhere between 6500 and 5000 BC when farmers first moved into the Nile valley from Western Asia, and the ending at approximately 3050 BC, when the dynastic rule of Egypt began. Already present in northeastern Africa were cattle pastoralists; the emigrant farmers brought sheep, goats, pigs, wheat and barley.

      Together they domesticated the donkey and developed simple farming communities…”

      Stone-Age graveyard reveals life in a “green Sahara”
      “Scientists in Niger have found the Sahara Desert’s largest known Stone-Age graveyard, which offers an unparal­leled record of life when the region was green…
      Dating back 10,000 years and called Gobero after the Tuareg name for the area, the site was brimming with skeletons of humans and animals includ­ing large fish and crocodiles, researchers said….
      The discovery of the lakeside graveyard—said to represent two successive human populations divided by more than 1,000 years…”

      No Sahara Desert, Progressive enclaves along both coasts drowned, Al Gore’s seaside mansion under water, so what’s not to like?

      • Anon says:

        Hi Gail, if anyone is interested a good documentary about this topic:

        When The Sahara Desert Was Green – Science Documentary 2017

      • Kris Johanson says:

        Gail, you’re getting a bit too enthusiastic about drowning the West coast again

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        “Progressive enclaves along both coasts drowned … what’s not to like?”

        Mobility. Infestation.

        How to turn a state liberal
        By David Sirota

        Colorado’s progressive miracle is a road map to a much brighter America. Here are 9 steps behind the transformation

        As Colorado goes, so goes the nation. With the culture and demographics of the Intermountain West so rapidly changing, this motto about my home state has become conventional wisdom in national electoral politics, and for good reason. After all, the square state is the capital of the so-called Rocky Mountain Empire, a region that is fast becoming the political equivalent of a test market for the whole country. And if it is true that the way Colorado goes is the way the nation as a whole goes, then America better get ready for some extremely large changes.

        For decades, this was a state whose electoral topography was reliable Republican and whose politics was dominated by an unholy coalition of cultural conservatives and oil and gas interests.

        Now, though, everything is shifting. In just a few years, Colorado is pioneering a Western version of pragmatic progressivism, one built on a much different political coalition than the one that made Colorado the conservative movement’s grand experiment.

        Here is what passes for “liberal” with the “progressive” migrants:

        Colorado Public Radio

        Colorado Matters

        White Men Should Stop Running For Office, Colorado Group Says

        A new political action committee has one question for straight white men with political aspirations.

        “Dude, can you not?”

        It’s a question embedded in the name of the organization. The Can You Not PAC plans to discourage straight white men from running for office in Colorado’s diverse districts. They hope that will clear the lane for female, minority and LGBTQ candidates.

        Read the transcript:

        Ryan Warner: This is Colorado Matters from CPR News. I’m Ryan Warner. White men shouldn’t run for office in districts where women or people of color stand a chance of winning. That’s according to a new political action committee called the “Can you Not PAC.” Backers want to discourage white men from entering races in cities like Denver and Aurora. But that’s a bad strategy according to some of the very people the group aims to help. This is the creation of Jack Teter and Kyle Huelsman, both Democratic activists from Denver and both white guys. Welcome to the program.

        Teter: … And I think that we are intending on pushing back on privilege generally. So straight white men being a great example of someone who’s probably very well represented in government and we’d probably do fine if we elected a few fewer of them.

        Warner: Well you say here, and yet Colorado’s legislature has a very high proportion, I think one of the highest in the country, if not the highest, of women, Jack.

        Teter: Yeah, it’s actually the highest and we’re at 50% which is amazing. That’s our state legislature.

        Warner: So is this about encouraging white men to look inside themselves and dissuade themselves from running or do you think that you target them, and say “Get out of the race dude.”

        Huelsman: Well we’re pushing back against the notion that looking like a Ken doll makes you uniquely qualified to run for office.

        I don’t think he has the ambition to run for office but I’m glad that Tony doesn’t look like a Ken doll. It’s bad enough that Colorado has been overrun by white “progressive” migrants with the intellectual capacity of Ken and Barbie.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Colorado, you give them there no CO2 Utopia, all the grass they can smoke and THEN flood their cities. They don’t have the brains to move fast enough to beat the flood.

        • Gator69 says:

          This sounds a lot like the “soft” racism of low expectations.

          • Gail Combs says:

            I lern it from the Hilderbeast.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Why, yes, of course.

            Teter and Huelsman are taking “progressive” racial tribalism in the direction of its ultimate resting place. After all, what options do Democrats have when they can’t take their low expectations bigotry towards minorities any further? Creating safe spaces for precious white snowflakes triggered by sidewalk chalk drawings is just the beginning. The two white gentlemen just need to make it clear that white Democrat women have an even more profound “Competency Gap” than straight white men, as Ms. Clinton pointed out.

            Welcome to the program, as Colorado Public Radio likes to say.

            Clinton Blames 2016 Loss On ‘Politically Dependent’ White Women

            ‘She’s going to get locked up, don’t you hear?’
            By Chris Agee
            September 14, 2017

            After previously blaming factors such as alleged Russian interference in the election and primary challenger Bernie Sanders’ loyal following, she took aim Tuesday at the “white women” who failed to vote for her.

            In an interview with Vox, Clinton argued women otherwise inclined to support her candidacy ultimately opted against it out of deference to their husbands or boyfriends.

            “All of a sudden, the husband turns to the wife, ‘I told you, she’s going to be in jail. You don’t wanna waste your vote,’” Clinton said, offering a similar hypothetical scenario involving women influenced by their boyfriends.

            “Instead of saying, ‘I’m taking a chance, I’m going to vote,’” she added, “it didn’t work.”


          • Gail Combs says:

            Vote for HITLERY???

            Barf Gag

            The White Women I know can’t stand the biotch. We have seen plenty of her ‘stab you in the back’ type before. Many of us couldn’t stand her years ago when she first showed up on the national scene.

            Besides we are not as well trained Democrat Plantation Slaves as other ‘minorities’

  4. Ron Clutz says:

    According to MASIE, the most accurate daily depiction of sea ice, Arctic refreezing began three days ago, early but not unprecedented.

    • Cam says:

      Actually, it’s right on time according to NSIDC. Their average end date to the melt season is 12 Sep and that was the lowest extent date this year for them as well, 4.611 Wadhams.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Which means it has bottomed out above 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015 and 2016 in NSIDC.

        Where’s Jimbo, when you need a snivelling coward and low-life troll to laugh at !!

  5. The Green, Communist, Socialist and Democratic party platforms call for enormous obstacles to prevent our access to energy and aggregated 49.4% of the popular vote count. The Libertarian and Republican parties supported uncoerced access to energy and got 52.4% of the popular vote. The 3% pro-energy victory shows a measured consensus that fake science is unconvincing. Clearly there are fewer idiots among registered voters than among parasitical “unproductive hands” impersonating scientists. I’ll also wager that none of the econazi blogs or looter media outlets will call attention to this simple, verifiable fact of reality.

    • Anon says:

      The cost of energy is an important metric in locating a factory, or relocating one. If a product can be made in China, with cheap electricity, cheap labor, few environmental and no carbon emission regulations it will be a boon to shareholders (Wall Street). It used to be that Wall Street needed to see that things were built and products were made in order to make a buck. Now all they need to do is “move things around” and the AGW religion is one of their necessary lubricants.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Actually Hank, when you remove all the voter fraud/polling fraud it is a heck of a lot higher number.

      After the set of hurricanes in Texas and Florida, if you did a poll of people residing in those 2 states, pro-energy would win by a land slide. Amazing what happens when reality stomps all over Political Correctness.

      I would really really like to take all of the Champagne Socialists on both coasts and ship them down to Venezuela for a week so they could ‘enjoy’ the results of full on socialism.

      OH, and speaking of Energy and Venezuela, President Trump just twisted the tail of the Venezuela/China/Russia animal.

      “… the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) designated the President of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro Moros, pursuant to Executive Order (E.O.) 13692, which authorizes sanctions against current or former officials of the Government of Venezuela and others undermining democracy in Venezuela.” (wwwDOT)

      That was followed weeks later by a further squeeze.
      “…The Trump administration on Friday slapped sweeping financial sanctions on Venezuela, barring banks from any new financial deals with the government or state-run oil giant PDVSA….
      The White House said in a statement that the measures “are carefully calibrated to deny the [President Nicolas] Maduro dictatorship a critical source of financing to maintain its illegitimate rule, protect the United States financial system from complicity in Venezuela’s corruption and in the impoverishment of the Venezuelan people, and allow for humanitarian assistance.”

      The new actions prohibit dealings in new debt and equity issued by the government of Venezuela and its state oil company. It also prohibits dealings in certain existing bonds owned by the Venezuelan public sector, as well as dividend payments to the government of Venezuela….” (wwwDOT)

      And at that point things get really interesting.
      “….The United States was the only remaining cash purchaser of Venezuela oil. Both China and Russia purchase Maduro’s oil, however their current purchases are/were all made as offsets, repayments, for prior loans. It doesn’t generate additional revenue for Maduro if China and Russia to purchase more oil, it only pays down the Venezuelan debt….”Sundance

      Sundance gets into the complicated dance that Trump is using to put an economic squeeze on China and Russia using proxies like Venezuela and Pakistan to get the results he wants in North Korea, Afghanistan and Syria.

      Also one of the commenters did “research on just what our President is accomplishing in the Energy Sector.” and presents it. It is pretty impressive.

      • Barry says:

        The hypocrisy of US foreign policy is astonishing, akin to the fervor of the CAGW zealots. If democracy was really a factor in sanctioning Venezuela, when are we going to see sanctions on, eg, Saudi Arabia? (Hint: Never – not while they still have ‘our’ oil.)

    • Correction! The popular vote on energy planks came out dead even down to the hundredths place! I had swapped the Dem and GOP vote popular vote tallies, possibly because to me they seem so much alike.

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  7. Brad says:

    I can’t believe you actually look at that idiots blog.

    • RAH says:

      One has to know what the opposition is up to.

      • Gator says:

        Really? I can tell you what is on his blog at any given time without ever having to go there. Leftists are entirely predictable, as their agenda never changes.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          Predictability is the one think I really like about them.

          Marxist Vegan Restaurant in Michigan Closes for Predictably Marxist Reasons

          Unfortunately for Grand Rapids’ Garden Diner & Café, refusing to be a traditional business proved to not be very good for, uh, business.

          During its tenure as the Garden Diner and Café—you may know it by its original moniker, the (a little on-the-nose) “Bartertown Diner”—the café prided itself on forgoing a tipping system, paying its employees a living wage, and eschewing the concept of management. The interior of the restaurant even featured a custom mural that showed Che Guevara, Mao Zedong, and other famous communist and Marxist revolutionaries performing restaurant work.

          Unfortunately, refusing to be a traditional business proved to not be very good for, uh, business.

          Not only did the café struggle to pay its workers, part-owner Thad Cummings told local Michigan site MLive, but its Facebook page (no longer active) swelled with comments from angry customers who routinely complained of slow and spotty service, saying that they would sometimes wait nearly an hour for what we’re assuming was a very passable vegan sandwich. And that’s when it was open; thanks to a policy of setting hours by “group decision,” the café didn’t keep standard hours, as some users noted on its (four-star, for what it’s worth) Yelp page.

          But not everyone was convinced that the restaurant was true enough to its proletariat stance; in August, it faced complaints after sending a free meal to the Grand Rapids Police Department, which some saw as a move that was just a little too chummy with a “nearly all-white police force in this era of police violence.”

        • RAH says:

          Yes really! Through out history many a major error has occurred when people assumed they knew what was going on with the opposition without having first hand knowledge of it. Never take your enemy for granted.

        • RAH says:

          Allow me to expand on that thought. In planning there will usually be assumptions that must be made. But the one of the worst errors a planner can make is to assume things that could have been confirmed or falsified prior to an operation. When time allows assumptions should only be made about unknowns which are impossible or cost prohibitive to be made knowns prior to the operation being initiated.

          • Gail Combs says:

            Hillary Clinton’s campaign was a classic example of making REALLY REALLY poor assumptions.

            My favorites were when she told wealthy donors at the Barbara Streisand fundraiser tonight in NYC:
            “To just be grossly generalistic, you can put half of Trump supporters into what I call ‘the basket of deplorables.’ Right?” “Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that and he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets offensive, hateful, mean-spirited rhetoric.” Trump’s other supporters “are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change.”

            That’s on top of her saying “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,” at a town hall in West Virginia in March 2016. (Not to mention it was her husband and his China policy, and his signing of WTO and NAFTA that exported those US manufacturing jobs leading to a 23% unemployment rate.)

            At a rally in Omaha with Warren Buffett on 8/3/16 Hillary tells a cheering crowd, “we are going to raise taxes on a middle class”

            And finally in September 2016, in Orlando Hillary Clinton says “Why aren’t I fifty points ahead, you might ask.”

            Gee, Hillary, maybe because you constantly insulted the majority of American voters??

            Maybe because you have lived for years in an insulated bubble of Politically Correct Social Justice ‘Warriors’ and made the ASSumption that the rest of the USA was the same?

            Maybe because, unlike President Trump, you never bothered to LISTEN to the actually concerns of the average American?

            I think it was only massive voter fraud that allowed Hillary to get anywhere close to Trump during the election.

          • RAH says:

            Hillary being close to Trump in the popular vote was due to CA and NY and their massive illegal but allowed to vote populations. With them, Trump would have been shown to win the popular vote.

    • tonyheller says:

      He posted it on this blog. I can’t believe you actually made a comment like that on my blog.

    • AndyG55 says:

      I did it once, and it took days the get rid of the sewer-like stench of fetid dishonesty.

  8. Crashex says:

    I’m shocked the Ice Queen has not commented yet. You know he trolls by here to make snarky comment regularly (is he blocked?) and then prances about at his blog and others to entertain the faithful with his courage and insight.

  9. dave1billion says:

    So we’re a “faithful flock” now? If so, what a motley flock indeed.

    Since we’re obviously not the same species of bird, I’ll put in my claim for the Brown Pelican, our state bird that had disappeared her in my youth due to pesticide use, but that has since recovered. A great testament both the fragility and the recuperative power of our environment.

  10. AndyG55 says:

    From WUWT

    WOW.. I thought this had been known for ages. !!

    Why is anyone pretending this is a “new” finding?

    I have said many, many times, that all REAL warming (as opposed to data adjustment) has come from ocean cycles, particularly ENSO and the AMO.

    AMO is turning downward. NH will get a cooling trend over the next while, annual levels of Arctic Sea ice will start to gradually increase.

    • Gator69 says:

      There is so much about our climate that we used to know, and that we are gradually rediscovering, as this dark age of climatology slowly passes.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Same with history, child rearing and a heck of a lot of other subjects. The D@…N Progressive sure did muck up our education system!

        • RAH says:

          Ah yes, Dr. Spock and his bull crap most likely has a lot to do with the lack of integrity manifest by so many climate scientists and others.

          • Gail Combs says:

            Don’t forget the Rockefellers and their war on American family and culture.

            The Hand that Rocked the Cradle: A Critical Analysis of Rockefeller Philanthropic Funding, 1920-1960

            Before that, in the 1890s it was John D. Rockefeller that funded John Dewey and his Progressive Education experiments on real children.
            “… the purpose of the school was to show how education could be changed to produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. It was expected that these little socialists, when they became voting adults, would dutifully change the American economic system into a socialist one.

            In order to do so he analyzed the traditional curriculum that sustained the capitalist, individualistic system and found what he believed was the sustaining linchpin — that is, the key element that held the entire system together: high literacy. To Dewey, the greatest obstacle to socialism was the private mind that seeks knowledge in order to exercise its own private judgment and intellectual authority. High literacy gave the individual the means to seek knowledge independently. It gave individuals the means to stand on their own two feet and think for themselves. This was detrimental to the “social spirit” needed to bring about a collectivist society….”Dumbing Down America by Dr. Samuel Blumenfeld

            You’ll find the Rockefellers behind Women’s Lib too. The Rockefeller Foundation Funded ‘Womens Lib’

            And I already mentioned a few days ago the Rockefeller war on Nuclear power. And then there was the initial funding of the CRU by the Rockefeller foundation.

            Seems every time you turn over a nasty rock a slimy Rockefeller oozes out.

  11. Buck Turgidson says:

    Do NCAR NOAA NSF NASA employ enough transgenders and homosexuals?

    Someone needs to look into this and make sure they aren’t discriminating and skewing the results. I really hope these agencies don’t have an anti-LGBTXYZQRST bias.

    I would be really hurt and need taxpayer-paid therapy and paid vacations to Europe to soothe my government-caused trauma.

  12. Steven Fraser says:

    Tony: nice day yesterday for Greenland Ice SMB – 9 Gtonnes. Today should be good, too.

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