Witches, Jews And Climate Deniers

Throughout history, hate groups have looked for scapegoats to blame things on.

In the 16th century progressive hate groups  blamed bad weather on witches, and burned tens of thousands of witches at the stake. In the 1930’s and 1940’s progressives put millions of Jews in gas chambers as scapegoats for Germany’s problems, and now progressive hate groups blame the weather on people who resist their climate scam. They want to criminalize and prosecute free speech and scientific inquiry.

Mark Hertsgaard says flooding in Texas and Bangladesh was caused by global warming skeptics. He says that people who resist the largest scam in history are murderers.

Climate Denialism Is Literally Killing Us | The Nation

Mark also believes that the Arctic is ice-free.

The End of the Arctic? Ocean Could be Ice Free by 2015

The Huffington Post agrees with his assessment that global warming causes Texas hurricanes and flooding in Bangladesh.

Houston, Bangladesh, And Global Warming | HuffPost

Had these fake journalists done any research, they would have known that the deadliest hurricane in history occurred in Bangladesh in 1970.  Nearly half a million people died in that storm, which was blamed at the time by climatologists on global cooling.

16 Nov 1970, Page 1 – Estherville Daily News at Newspapers.com

In the 1970’s, warm weather was considered mild, and cold weather was considered harsh. Climatologists blamed all bad weather on global cooling,

21 Jul 1974, Page 13 – The Des Moines Register at Newspapers.com

The next article in the same July 21, 1974 Des Moines Register issue showed what the left is really about – they wanted to stop global cooling via totalitarian government.

Now progressives want to stop global warming via totalitarian government. Global cooling, global warming – it doesn’t matter. It is just an excuse for these psychopaths.

The deadliest hurricane in US history occurred in Texas this week in the year 1900.

12 Sep 1900, Page 1 – The Brooklyn Daily Eagle at Newspapers.com

The beliefs of the left have nothing to do with science, weather or climate. People like Mark Hartsgaard are simply members of another hate group looking for scapegoats. They move from one generation to the next looking for a new outlet to vent their hatred of other human beings.

People like Mark are dangerous, intellectually corrupt people looking to hurt other people. That is all they are about. Socialists killed tens of millions of people last century, and they want to do a repeat now. They pretend to care about other people – but they couldn’t care less.

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.

– H. L. Mencken

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70 Responses to Witches, Jews And Climate Deniers

  1. CheshireRed says:

    Funny how hysterics claim global warming causes multitudes of weather events – but overlook that the vast majority of such events already occur in a given region.

    Texas is in a hurricane basin; hurricanes are normal.
    Bangladesh sits waist-deep in the Bay of Bengal; flooding is normal.
    Arctic sea ice ebbs and flows from one season to the next; variation is normal.
    California has one foot in a desert; drought is normal.
    Australia is usually hot; warm weather is normal.
    The UK is warm and wet: heavy rainfall is normal.

    When Bangladesh gets its drenching weather patterns turned upside down into 5 year droughts and Australia is coated with ice sheets, then I’ll agree ‘something has changed’. I’d also like to see a spot of that Mediterranean weather the UK was promised by experts a while back, but I’m not holding my breath. So we see claims centre around attributing perfectly normal weather events and natural fluctuations to human influence. It really IS superstitious BS of the first order.

    The Mark Hertsgaard’s of this world are the problem, career chancers pushing a knowingly false programme of deliberate disinformation that infects the public consciousness with blatant propaganda. We all pay a price for his journalistic activism.

  2. Mr GrimNasty says:

    ‘They’ are extra bitter at the moment, they blew all their powder on attributing Harvey, and then nature gave them Irma – but everyone is already deaf and bored from all their screaming!

  3. TimA says:

    “is like allowing them to dump their sewage on their neighbor’s lawn”…..they may complain at first about the stink, but later they’ll notice how green things have gotten…

  4. Andy DC says:

    A hurricane during hurricane season. Who would believe that it could ever be possible!

  5. Erminio says:

    Honestly Hetrsgaard’s article is by far the worst piece of “journalism” I’ve ever read in my life. Probably in Europe we haven’t yet reached this level of hate against mankind, scientific ignorance, distortion of facts to support ridiculous political narratives… We’re working on it, definitely, but there is still a long way to go before getting to this “post-Orwellian” journalism.

    I look at the US (which I do love, as so many Europeans) and I see that the main discussions currently ongoing are about how to demolish statues, how to abolish the Columbus day, how to pay salaries to illegals, how to allow men to access women’s toilets, and how to attribute every phenomenon on earth to the climate-scum narrative.

    Hey you lib-folks, don’t you really have anything more serious to take care of?

    • tonyheller says:

      Great comment.

      • Erminio says:

        Great place this Blog, let me say Tony.

        I’ve been following you for years, from thousands of miles away, and your work has been really inspirational for me. I don’t miss a visit every single day and I really appreciate your sense of humour and your love for the nature that your photos communicate so vividly.

        You are the America I like: smart, ironic, direct, patriotic, generous and honest. Thanks for what you’re doing, not only for your fellow-nationals, but for all the people worldwide that believe in your same values.

    • Aphan says:

      It’s all part of the same monster Erminio…the “programme” to tear down America and build the great Utopia. Erase our history. Erase our differences. Erase dissent and differing viewpoints. Conform. Conform. Conform. (Our very own whovian daleks!)

      They have pushed, and inched, and prodded, and shoved for a very long time, but if they think real Americans are going to go down without a fight, they have a big shock coming.

  6. gator69 says:

    The proof that these folks are mentally ill is obvious. First they cannot even see that they are behaving exactly like superstitious stone age religious fanatics, and secondly they bemoan “displaced” millions while they starve millions to death annually.

    cog·ni·tive dis·so·nance – noun PSYCHOLOGY
    the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      True, every bit of their behavior indicates that they are indeed mentally ill but I don’t see them suffering from cognitive dissonance *). To suffer any discomfort, they would have to be able to recognize that they hold contradictory beliefs. Climate cultists and Leftists do not have that capacity. They live their lives filled with hatred but they imagine themselves being motivated by compassion and love. Their ability to comfortably hold mutually exclusive beliefs is absolutely perfect. I argue that in the moment they begin to realize that their sentiments, thoughts and beliefs are in stark conflict with each other they have started on the way to recovery. A person with a normally functioning brain has by definition the capability to suffer from cognitive dissonance and therefore cannot be a Leftist or a climate cultist.

      Cognitive Dissonance

      The term was created by psychologist Leon Festinger in 1954 to describe the “feeling of psychological discomfort produced by the combined presence of two thoughts that do not follow from one another”.

      Festinger proposed that the greater the discomfort, the greater the desire to reduce the dissonance of the two cognitive elements” (Harmon-Jones & Mills, 1999)

      https://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/10/19/fighting-cognitive-dissonance-the-lies-we-tell-ourselves

      ———-
      *) I mean it in a literal sense when I say “I don’t see them suffering from cognitive dissonance“. I’m talking about real people I have met before in different countries and cultures, and actual individuals I know today. They all were and are very comfortable in their to me incomprehensible world and I know very few whose doubts sent them searching for different answers.

      • gator69 says:

        I don’t follow, the leftists I know show a lot of discomfort. They incessantly wail and moan over every aspect of life, aspects with which most of us for millenia have had little difficulty. Wether or not one is male or female, wether or not we have had bad weather in the past, wether or not to starve people to death, wether or not to enslave our fellow man, etc…

        If they feel no pain, it is the drugs.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          True, they moan and wail but it’s not because of their self-contradictory beliefs. There is nothing wrong with their thoughts and ideas. The problem is people like you and me. They know that everything’s gonna be alright once we are dead, whichever way that should come about. The Progressive paradise is coming. They just can’t wait, that’s all.

          • gator69 says:

            True, life without a conscience is their utopia.

          • David A says:

            Subconsciously they must know, extreme emotional reactions to any attempt at rational conversation is perhaps a protective measure against the revelations such conversation would reveal.

          • Sam Pyeatte says:

            Eventually the climate scare will slowly melt away as leftist predictions fail to materialize. They will simply migrate to another Earth-ending cause and will milk it dry also. So many people know zero science, nor do they have any interest in learning because it is hard, while mindless constant protesting is easy.

      • Aphan says:

        The suffering that comes from cognitive dissonance does NOT come after consciously realizing/understanding/accepting that one holds opposing or contradictory opinions. It’s a subconscious thing. Like a hidden burr in the brain. It causes irritation, irrationality, anger, and frustration on the part of the person. Rational minds are not designed to hold two opposing viewpoints at the same time. It causes a subconsious reaction that literally makes people uncomfortable.

        When someone points out, to a rational person, that their beliefs are in conflict with each other, the rational person steps back, examines their thoughts and feelings, and takes steps to change their thinking until their opinions are no longer opposites.

        When someone points the same thing out to an illogical, irrational person, they react irrationally. They make excuses, they try to rationalize their irrationality…to find a way to hold BOTH ideas without accepting the fact that doing so obviously makes them a hypocrite. And the easiest solution is to decide its OK to be hypocritical or dual minded if the end goal is a NOBLE one. It’s OK to be violent and destructive to property if you feel like you are saving people. It’s ok to lie and exaggerate if your goal is to save the planet. Noble cause corruption soothes that cognitive dissonance quickly and painlessly. No more suffering.

        • gator69 says:

          It’s OK to starve thousands of innocent humans to death daily, if we are fake sparing the Inuit some displacement issues caused by their embrace of modernity and their rejection of a stone age nomadic lifestyle.

  7. sunsettommy says:

    A solid post,Tony!

    Free speech should never be stopped,while people should be free to think on their own.

    Free Speech,Free Thinking is the best combination for a free human being.

    • Sam Pyeatte says:

      I remember in the 1960s when “free speech” was all the rave from the left. Funny how things change. Of course their emphasis at the time was on using obscene language to express themselves. Now free speech is a sign of insecurity for them, hence the word “snowflake” to describe so many of them.

  8. Iy says:

    Would you mind providing your definition of the term “progressive”? I think that would be very useful for your readers.

  9. arn says:

    Why am I not surprised that the same fascist lefti parasites who want to
    save us all from global warming by world wide totalitarian rule and with a global tax((as world wide totalitarian rule is impossible without global tax))

    are the same fascist parasites who wanted to save us in the 70 ies with a world wide authoritarianism.
    (they also wanted to save the people in Russia and China with their blue print/local test run of world wide rule= communism and killed more than 100 million people there.

    Always the same crap,
    always the same good doers
    always the same results.

    This could have been a beautiful ,peacefull planet
    without a small group of people always trying to save us.

  10. Russell Cook says:

    One more thing: just like many other very prominent pushers of the notion that skeptic climate scientist “deniers” are paid industry money to lie, Hertsgaard is enslaved to only one single source for that accusation. Please see: “The Hertsgaard Error, pt II: Not a Case of Poor Wording” http://gelbspanfiles.com/?p=2930

  11. Allan Spector says:

    Hetrsgaard is not the problem, it’s the media using these garbage articles to sell newspapers, quite successfully! The media is irresponsible. The solution; tune them out!

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      “Hetrsgaard is not the problem, it’s the media …”

      I am not ready to reduce it like that. I loathe the ignorant and lazy Leftists who dominate the media, including newspapers but I don’t agree with the premise.

      First, they don’t sell newspapers successfully. Second, people trust them less and less, so their agenda is not working too well with Americans who are not Democrats or older morons (they are even losing the young morons). Third, how is a professional journalist like Hertsgaard not “the media“?

      But fourth, and most importantly, using the same logic we could absolve every lying Commie or Nazi miscreant quoted in the newspapers. The Leftist media loves to give publicity to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) but does it somehow mean that these anti-American organizations are not a problem? Is it just media businesses selling crap for profit?

      I say that societal forces with anti-American ideologies are a huge problem, with or without media support and complicity. The media only makes it worse but let’s not forget that the Left also captured the control of many institutions as well as the HR and PR departments of some major corporations.

      I agree it would be nice if people tuned out Leftist propaganda but there is always going to be some audience for it. I am not tuned in but I follow closely what Leftists in the media do. I also pay attention to criminals and what they do.

  12. Adamant de-Nye-er says:

    “Shooting of Gouls Commended” — I’m going to have to remember that newspaper sub-headline – at the next election cycle. Thanks for reproducing it.

  13. oeman50 says:

    So Mr. Mark wants to accuse us of murder because the US is emitting less CO2 than we were in 1994. Nice.

  14. Buck Turgidson says:

    The climate alarmists long ago departed the realm of science and entered theology. They “believe” a lot of crazy things, and no amount of additional information will make them change their beliefs. Beliefs. They are believers not scientists.

    Where are the falsifiable hypotheses? A scientist looks hard for ways to falsify theories or hypotheses; the climate alarmist lunatics wear blinders and reject new information that might violate their theological system they have constructed, and that they “believe” in.

    Climate science today has turned into pseudoscience, beliefs, and theology.

  15. And thanks for the September 7 temperatures! Brazilians celebrate “Independence Day” today, forced by the government to support 33 communist and fascist political parties. The libertarian party is still as illegal in Brazil as in Venezuela and Cuba. I only wish Petr Beckmann could see this blog.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Hank,
      I wish Petr Beckmann was alive to see President Trump unleashing US energy, including nuclear.

      “Jun 29, 2017 – President Donald Trump on Thursday announced a number of energy initiatives, including a review of U.S. nuclear energy policy” ~ CNBC Trump announces efforts to revive nuclear energy, export more American coal

      The Elite were well aware that ENERGY is the key to re-enslaving the middle class.

      “Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.” —Dr. Paul Ehrlich, Anne Ehrlich, and Dr. John Holdren, 9obama’s Science Czar) Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment, 1970, p. 323

      Once they killed off nuclear (last US nuclear plant started in 1977) they started in on coal and petroleum.

      If you do a bit of poking around you find the Rockefellers aka Standard oil, funded a lot of the research on the medical problems from radiation poisoning. Also SOMEONE funded all those nuclear protesters here in the USA. A Want Ad I saw in the 1985 Boston Globe said “Nuclear Protesters $10/hour”

      In 1969, Rockefeller Official Said US Would Be De-industrialized

      Dr. Richard Day, the National Medical Director of the Rockefeller-sponsored “Planned Parenthood” told a meeting that American industry will be sabotaged and shown to be unreliable and uncompetitive…

      “The stated plan was that different parts of the world would be assigned different roles of industry and commerce in a unified global system. The continued preeminence of the United States and the relative independence and self-sufficiency of the United States would have to be changed… in order to create a new structure, you first have to tear down the old, and American industry was one example of that.”

      The Struggle for Power What we Haven’t Been Told and Why!
      THE ANTI-ENERGY MOVEMENT
      Ralph Nader & Rockefeller – the churches among the first targets

      […]In 1971 Ralph Nader, bankrolled by the Rockefeller network, began to work with a lawyer Anthony Roisman and the “Union of Concerned Scientists” to combine the efforts of environmental groups and public interest lawyers against NP. They worked on several fronts:

      Legal action delay projects.
      Lobbying Congress and Government agencies.
      Propagandising the churches
      Advertising directed at the general public

      Exaggerated dangers and innuendos of industry incompetence were widely accepted as fact. The industry had no strategy for self-defence, being in the business of NP, not propaganda, and became “an 80 billion dollar underdog”.

      “To cut a long story short, thanks to Ralph Nader’s initiative, there exists a well co-ordinated coalition of interest groups in the USA with all the attributes of a major corporation: well planned, influential, with strong political and financial support, well-tested strategies, professional communication expertise and tremendous legal punch. About 600 full-time “environmental lawyers” operated on a budget of at least 45 million dollars in 1977 and about one-third of this was spent purely on energy-stopping.[…]

  16. Kris Johanson says:

    16 millions nearly dying in India etc etc…
    1. Use the proper amounts and sizes of re-bar
    2. Don’t build cities below sea level (New Orleans) or on flood plains with thick gumbo mud for soil
    3. Spend your federal grant money on the things you’re supposed to
    4. Don’t build big buildings out of unreinforced masonry

  17. Colorado Wellington says:

    First Mark Hertsgaard and now Richard Branson’s son Sam will also combat bad weather:

    “Nature warning us again of the impact of #climatechange. We must all do more to combat this.”

    No more private jet flights on trips to Branson’s Necker Island. If old combat veteran Leo DiCaprio also joins the fight we can bet good money that climate change is doomed.

    • Buck Turgidson says:

      They really mean “everyone except the elite and the kewl climate kids must do more.” What these control freaks really want is to destroy and humiliate those who don’t agree with their nonsense.

      Talk to me about my carbon footprint when Zuck Branson algore Obama and and and stop their air travel. Until then I am going to keep driving my Suburban gas guzzler and running the furnace/AC full blast.

    • ImNotSayingAliensBut says:

      Damn, I didn’t realise Nature was some kind of sentient being.

      I wonder who Nature tried to warn when asteroid impact killed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, or during the Triassic era mass extinction events 250 million years ago. I mean human didn’t exist back then…

      • ImNotSayingAliensBut says:

        Or let’s just accept the fact that we live in a world that is naturally dangerous. Hurricanes and other natural disasters have happened in the past and will happen in the future regardless what we do. Enough with this weird superstitious view of nature as “harmonious” and “peaceful”.

        Besides, even if humans cause climate change and that it makes hurricanes more intense, that still doesn’t clearly tell us what we can and should do about it. Just because scientist tells us that natural disasters have become more dangerous, doesn’t mean he knows the best solution for it.

  18. Griff says:

    “In the 1930’s and 1940’s progressives put millions of Jews in gas chambers as scapegoats for Germany’s problems”

    That’s inaccurate and offensive.

    The Nazi party were not in any sense progressives.

    and isn’t somebody scapegoating leftists and progressives?

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      The NSDAP was a Progressive party. You are a typical ignorant Progressive but nobody is scapegoating you.

    • Gator says:

      Nazi’s were the “National SocialistGerman Workers’ Party “, and yes they were progressives. Hitler was a vegan and an atheist, when 99% of Germans were Christian.

      CAGW alarmists have snuffed out far more people than the Nazi’s ever dreamed of.

      • rw says:

        Not really. You people are getting in over your depth. The “Hitler was really a lefty” meme makes much of the history of the 30s and 40s more or less incomprehensible. E.g. why did Hitler hate the Communists and their “Marxist madness” (direct quote)? (Not only did he destroy the leadership on the Left (but not the Right, sans one figure I believe), but when the Germans invaded the USSR they made a point of killing anyone they suspected of being a Communist.) Why were conservatives like Fritz Thyssen attracted to the Nazis? (He only broke with them in 1938.) Since when have lefties been so deeply nationalistic as the Nazis were? Also, the phenomena of intimidation and interrogation were very different in Nazi Germany and the USSR. Although the Nazis could be brutal, there was not the wholesale warping of reality – including charges which no one believed, and torture of victims just to maintain the charade – as recounted by Solzhenitsyn and others.

        • rw says:

          I should add that I’m not implying that the Nazis were conservatives in any sense that one would recognize as genuine. Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism is right about that (and is a great book incidentally; D’Sousa’s knock-off doesn’t seem as good from what I’ve read about it; and I’m not sure whether either gives proper credit to James Burnham’s Managerial Revolution for pointing out the similarities between the Nazi state, the Bolshevik state and the FDR administration back in 1941). It’s simply that Goldberg’s insights into Nazism and progressivism have to be balanced against other features of that peculiar episode.

        • gator69 says:

          The Nazi’s were all about central control and big government, two things diametrically opposed to conservatism. Socialists and communists have fought before, and will likely fight again.

          There has never been, and will never be, a Socialist Worker’s Party that is conservative. Nice try, but the Nazi’s were indeed leftists.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Hitler used violent enforced socialist totalitarianism.

            Modern day leftists have tried using LIES and DECEIT and PROPAGANDA…

            …. but are now starting to take the Hitler way.

          • gator69 says:

            Starting? Everyone forgets that the KKK was a democrat invention. Then there is this…

            “In 1863 a Democrat shot and killedAbraham Lincoln, President of the United States.

            In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States who, later died from the wound.

            In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.

            In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.

            In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded President RonaldReagan.

            In 1984 James Huberty, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonaldsrestaurant.

            In 1986 Patrick Sherril, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.

            In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.

            In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Lubys cafeteria.

            In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.

            In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.

            In 2001 a left-wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the United States.

            In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.

            In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung – Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.

            In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared LeeLoughner shot Rep. GabrielleGiffords and killed 6 others.

            In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.

            In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.

            In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza shot and killed 26 people in a school.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “there was not the wholesale warping of reality ”

          Ahh….. so you are saying that Hitler WASN’T of the far-left.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          You people are getting in over your depth. The “Hitler was really a lefty” meme makes much of the history of the 30s and 40s more or less incomprehensible. E.g. why did Hitler hate the Communists and their “Marxist madness” (direct quote)? (Not only did he destroy the leadership on the Left (but not the Right, sans one figure I believe), but when the Germans invaded the USSR they made a point of killing anyone they suspected of being a Communist.)

          Why do Crips and Bloods kill each other? Why do Hells Angels and Mongols fight and shoot it out? Why do Sinaloa and Jalisco-based CJNG cartels murder each others’ members and abduct their leadership? Is there some subtle but important ideological difference between them?

          Hitler knew he can control the bourgeois and he proved it once he took over the power of the state. He coopted many of the socialist street fighters in 1920s Germany. He also knew he had to eliminate Communists with allegiance to Stalin, the Soviet Communist Party and the Comintern. By the way, since we are trying to make history less incomprehensible, let’s also note that Stalin started killing domestic and foreign Communists in the USSR in the 1930s in his own consolidation of power.

          Insisting that Hitler and National Socialism is a movement of the extreme right hostile to International Communism was Stalin’s move after 1942. Prior to that the two ideologies were getting along just fine since they jointly started the war on Poland in September 1939. Just because Stalin won the final mutual conflict is a poor reason to adopt his terminology. It’s bad enough that nearly the entire “intellectual” and academic establishment in the West did and does.

          I take Hitler and Mussolini at their word when they defined their movements as socialist.

          Since when have lefties been so deeply nationalistic as the Nazis were?

          You may benefit from looking into the international cooperation of various National Socialist movements across national boundaries, the creation of non-German SS units during WWII, the international cooperation with the Gestapo, the broadly international troops manning the German Atlantic defense positions in France, etc. The other worthwhile study subject is the suppression, forced relocation and genocide of non-Russian peoples in the Russian-dominated USSR.

          It’s not clear to me how anyone can seriously argue that just because two totalitarian socialist ideologies defined themselves differently in relationship to their host nations we should stop calling one of them “socialist” and “leftist”.

          ———–
          Brest Litovsk joint parade, September 22, 1939:

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Something ate the nice picture of Generals Heinz Guderian and Semyon Moiseevich Krivoshein at their victory parade in Poland:

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            @rw: Since you say I am out of my depth, I anxiously await you drowning me in arguments.

            On the other hand, we may agree that the last time the Left-Right definitions made some sense was during the French Revolution with the ancien régime forces in the National Assembly representing The Right but that would be an entirely different argument than the one you made above.

            The Nazis would still be Socialists no matter how today’s Progressives hate the association.

          • RAH says:

            CW

            For some reason some of us have not been able to post images. Only links. AndyG55 and I have tried several times and they just aren’t showing up.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Thanks, RAH. I suspected a technical glitch. That’s why I posted a direct link on my second try.

          • rw says:

            It’s not the “extreme right”! (I agree with Goldberg that the Left has gotten away with that canard for far too long.)

            The problem is that you people want to classify every thing in terms of one dimension. But I will repeat that if you make simple-minded statements like, “Hitler was a lefty.” you will never really understand the Nazi episode.

            In fact, this kind of thinking suggests to me that it’s basically ego defense posing as analysis. Everything bad is Them; everything good is Us. (And this, incidentally, is one reason that the Right is slowly losing the War We’re In; a core of true believers may be satisfied by such thinking but it will not attract the numbers that are needed.)

          • gator69 says:

            Hitler was a centrist?

          • rw says:

            One more thing that I forget to say. There’s another dimension altogether to the Nazi movement and regime, which is critical for understanding it. This is that it was deeply theatrical in character; and this includes its conservative elements. This begins to explain why I can say there were conservative elements (i.e. it was a strange mixture of Left and Right), and why you can argue at the same time that it was a leftwing movement, and we can both be right.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            rw,

            I understood you don’t consider and didn’t call the Nazis “extreme right”. I would not expect it from anyone familiar with Burnham, Goldberg and D’Sousa.

            My simple point is that the National Socialist movement was indeed socialist which is what the Marxists deny, of course. I also did not think you were a Marxist.

            By the way, my thinking is not limited to “Everything bad is Them; everything good is Us” and I did not write anything in my comments above to indicate any such thing. I also don’t have much ego in the matter, just a lifelong experience with various totalitarians in economy, politics and culture.

            Yes, besides socialist progressivism there were other, traditional elements in Hitler’s movement but the same thing was true in Stalin’s Soviet Union (manifested differently at different times because it had a much longer run). Big part of today’s confusion is not just the simplistic and manipulated left-right scale, but also the corruption and shifting of terms like liberalism and conservatism. One only needs to read the NYT simpletons describing with glee Iranian “conservatives”, or in the earlier era, Kremlin Politburo “conservatives”, For the “American” definition of liberalism, my favorite is an old headline from a 1990 Denver newspaper:

            Senate Liberals Oppose Liberalized Gun Bill

            And no, I am not in over my depth. I’m always happy to hear new insights but I’ve learned to swim in the progressive pond long time ago.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            When it comes to the theatrical, I recommend Igor Golomstock’s Totalitarian Art.

            It’s also a nice coffee table item to lay out when your Progressive neighbors come over for a drink.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            It’s not the “extreme right”!

            One more thing: Here we some disagreements about who is on the Left but there seems to be at least some agreement what Left means, and by extension “Extreme Left”.

            On the other hand, nobody I know is able and willing to give me a coherent and persuasive definition of “Extreme Right” or “Far Right” *). I ignore the insistence of trained Marxists who are full of shit but swear by their scientific definition.

            I know from experience that typical mainstream leftists in my neck of the woods casually include in the “Extreme Right” the Nazis, KKK, American constitutionalists, NRA members, religious conservatives, right-wing libertarians and preppers, so a full arc from totalitarian government groupies to defenders of personal liberties and champions of the smallest possible government.

            These casual leftists get pretty flustered when confronted about this “conventional knowledge” BS.

            ———-
            *) Far Right is the favorite term in European politics and media

    • ImNotSayingAliensBut says:

      I guess it depends on your definition of “progressive”.

      • Gail Combs says:

        “Socialism is the redistribution of wealth, increased dependency on government, and severe government regulation (i.e. “big government”). Progressivism is pretty much the same except it views capitalism as a necessary evil. The only real difference is their views on capitalism.”Difference between Socialism and Progressivism

        In other words ‘Progressives’ are Third Way Socialists (See Anthony Giddens, Director of the London School of Economics 1997–2003, Tony Blair and Bill Clinton)

        The other word for Third Way Socialists is FASCISTS link but after bloodying that word they renamed the concept Third way and tossed it at the conservatives to see if the word ‘Fascist’ would stick to them instead.

    • cdquarles says:

      Nope. We’re calling as we see it and we are seeing it as it *really* is/was. Progressives are fascist. It doesn’t matter whether they’re nationalists or globalists (aka internationalists). They want the State to be God. They want the rest of us to be slaves. Whether it is full overt central Government run socialism or covert corporatist fascist GSE run socialism. Either way they hate normal corporations (families, churches, private charities, private commercial corporations), which are nothing more than voluntary associations of people.

    • AndyG55 says:

      NO they were socialist totalitarians, Like YOU, griff. !

      They got their by LIES and DECEIT and PROPAGANDA… like you griff.

  19. Kris Johanson says:

    Socialism = state control of the factors of production
    Nazi’s = socialism based on race
    Communists = socialism based on class envy
    Both result in misery for everyone except the Party elites

  20. Gail Combs says:

    rw says: “….Nazi…..”

    It is an ECONOMIC DEFINITION:
    E.M. Smith a trained economist explains it HERE

    To paraphrase:
    “Oddly, you can look at Communism as the “limit case” where there is ONE corporation and it IS the government.

    At the other extreme is “laissez faire”[L.F.] with huge numbers of competitors.

    As you move toward Communism you pass through stages of ever more “concentration” of control. Just shy of communism is Classical Socialism with it’s state planning boards and commissions.

    A bit more toward L.F. you get “Market Socialism” (with some sub-types in between)
    …we called it a “Mixed Economy” at the ‘tepid’ end; as the name “fascist Third Way” got a bit tainted during W.W.II ….. The USA until about 1990 was a “Mixed Economy” with some “natural monopolies” under government “control” via “regulation”

    At the next tier down, we have Gov’t dependent Oligopolies.
    ….We’ve moved to more central planning and more central “regulation” (in some cases as a cover for the “planning” word that has gotten tied to Socialism… so is political to some extent)…. Oligopolies that are essentially guaranteed by the government…. So the government basically decides how many companies it wants, and who they will be, then funds them “to plan” with contracts. (This is NOT a hypothetical… I’ve watched them flat out announce “We’d like Lockheed and Martin to merge” or “we don’t want…” usually when one of them is ‘having issues’ and the topic is raised. Then the gov’t casts the one vote that matters…)

    FDR and Wilson both had high praise for The Third Way and you can see how they shifted America from a ‘free market’ toward “Third Way” government – corporation “cooperation”

    So we’ve moved away from straight up competition and toward that Classical Socialist end of things; with exact placement varying over time. And we called it a “Mixed Economy” at the ‘tepid’ end; as the name “fascist Third Way” got a bit tainted during W.W.II …. that tendency for Mussolini and Hitler to stir in a load of Nationalism and for the Nazi’s a double helping of Racism spoiled the soup for the Third Way “Socialist Lite” folks like FDR.

    And the propaganda worked.

    We’ve now got a “Progressive” and a “Third Way” government that IS a form of Socialism. (Now being rebranded as “Market Socialism” in the Eastern Block and Euro zones; called “Regulation” in the USA and sometimes poking it’s head up under “Rescue” as well with the most recent bits called “Social Justice”… all the pieces as slices of salami, but no overall Big Picture of it… we like to keep our socialism hidden in tiny bites with different names.) But just don’t ever point out that it’s basically the same “Third Way” process, using what’s properly called “Corporatism”, to achieve the Socialist agenda; that was first innovated by the Fascists… After all, it doesn’t fit the propaganda paradigm “Fascists bad, WORLD Socialists good” put out by Stalin…

  21. Gail Combs says:

    the “Extreme Right” as defined by some Progressives from above.:

    Lets see:
    Nazis — Fascists or Third Way National Socialists (slightly less far left than Commies.)

    KKK — Democrats. (Robert C. Byrd, a Democrat, and an Exalted Cyclops of the KKK was a recruiter for the Klan)

    American constitutionalists — ‘Classic Liberals’
    NRA members — generally ‘Classic Liberals’
    religious conservatives — generally ‘Classic Liberals’
    right-wing libertarians — generally ‘Classic Liberals’ ==> Anacrocapitalists
    preppers — generally curmudgeons/ ‘Classic Liberals’ ==> Anacrocapitalists

    So the Progressive/Socialist/Communist Useful Idiots really have ZERO idea what they are talking about and are just parroting the Disinfo the Yellow Stream Media is feeding them.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Yep, except that it would be a huge improvement if the useful idiots really had ZERO idea. Knowing nothing is better than knowing it all wrong. :-)

  22. Misha says:

    This is all quite disturbing. An alarming percentage of Millennials actually believe the earth will be uninhabitable due to global warming by the time they reach 65, or so, on the basis of absolutely no evidence. They are the nation’s largest demographic. They are in the tank with the criminalize “deniers” crowd, and hate speech, and religious exercise, and freedom of the press etc. etc. They are far from snowflakes. These ideological grandchildren of the left are dangerous people. There are first generation liberals, from the sixties, who are actually afraid of the monsters they’ve created.

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