1952 : Arctic “Melting At An Astonishing Rate”

Scientists say the Arctic is warming at an astonishing rate.

Scientists released this year’s Arctic Report Card on Tuesday, and it is a dismal one. Researchers say the Arctic continues to warm up at rates they call “astonishing.”

Arctic Is Warming At ‘Astonishing’ Rates, Researchers Say : The Two-Way : NPR

Sixty six years ago, experts used the exact same words.

Dr. William S. Carlson, an Arctic expert, said last night that Polar icecaps were melting at an astonishing and unexplained rate and threatening to swamp seaports by raising ocean levels.

“The glaciers of Norway and Alaska,” he said, “are only half the size they were 50 years ago.”

18 Feb 1952 – Melting Icecaps Mystery – Trove

Same story 80 years ago.

17 Dec 1939, Page 15 – Harrisburg Sunday Courier

Arctic warming and cooling is cyclical, and is controlled by ocean circulation patterns. It shows no correlation with greenhouse gases.

Reykjavik GISS V2             AMO

Science wrecks NASA’s global warming agenda, so they simply erase the prior warming.

Data.GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis

Meanwhile, both the Northern Sea Route and Northwest Passage are blocked by ten foot thick ice.

FullSize_CICE_combine_thick_SM_EN_20180414.png (1337×1113)

And temperatures in the Arctic are -30C.

Climate Reanalyzer

Government climate scientists demonstrate a complete lack of skills, integrity and rigor – which should have caused them to fail elementary school.

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77 Responses to 1952 : Arctic “Melting At An Astonishing Rate”

  1. Brad says:

    We are gonna re-do 2007 what was also a record hot april for europe. This warmt will only enchance warming and sea level rise.

    • Brad says:

      This is the newest run 120h out, similar charts where we could hit 30 degrees celcius what is mindblowing!

    • AndyG55 says:

      Topic is the ARCTIC , brainless one. !!

      Glad you have discovered a short-term WEATHER event after a March that was 2.5C BELOW average.

      Ignore that most of the US is WAY below normal.

      Would you rather the temperatures were back in the LIA?

      77, 78ºC… GORGEOUS.. :-)

      Open your WASTED mind, get out of your basement and enjoy it. !!

      Or perhaps you ought to move to Siberia !!!

      • Brad says:

        Warm air from europe will travel to the northpole what will enchance the melting.

        • AndyG55 says:

          roflmao.

          of course it will, petal. ;-)

          So will the COLD that is over the USA (larger area, btw)

          Seems you are IGNORANT of the wobbly jet stream and its effects.

          • Brad says:

            Thats why it went to the northpole end of februari making it 1 degrees celcius middle of the winter, yeah your right very natural…

          • AndyG55 says:

            Ignorant twit

            No different from 1976.

            Do try to learn SOMETHING for once in your life. !

            And yes, the occasional day of a peak temperature due to weather conditions is quite normal.

            Do you DENY the FACTS that the Arctic was just as warm or warmer around the 1940s

            Do you DENY that the Arctic was much warmer fro the first 8000+ years of the current interglacial??

            What is it with you and your CLIMATE DENIAL ??

          • Brad says:

            How can you know 1940 were warm? There was no data back then. Sattelite era began in late 1970’s.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Brad, when was the last time someone sailed a small wooden ship through Prince of Wales Passage?

            That’s the one next to Banks Island, in case you were IGNORANT and INCAPABLE of finding it for yourself.

          • Brad says:

            You can sail there in a few years,arctic still melting at record rates. Even grown crops on greenland will be possible later this century. In the medieval warm they grew grapes at the UK, nowadays they are growing it too so we are actually at warm or warmer then that warm period.

          • AndyG55 says:

            “Brad, when was the last time someone sailed a small wooden ship through Prince of Wales Passage?”

            I didn’t ask for a fantasy fairy-tale

            I asked a specific question.

            Are you INCAPABLE of answering ?

            Crops in Greenland, you mean like in the MWP? when the Vikings were there.

            Tell us when it happens without actual greenhouses, bozo. !!

          • AndyG55 says:

            “There was no data back then”

            Of course there was data.. ACTUAL TEMPERATURE DATA

            Iceland , Canadian and Russian regions were fastidious in keeping temperature data way back to 1900 in many places.. Norway, back to 1880 in some places

            GEES your really are one mindless IGNORANT twit, aren’t you !!

            Do some basic research on when thermometers were invented, idiot !!

          • AndyG55 says:

            “arctic still melting at record rates”

            WRONG AGAIN.

            Massie shows zero trend over last 10+ years

          • AndyG55 says:

            Russian Ice charts show a LARGE increase in “old ice” since 2008.

          • Brad says:

            As you can see on your own chart we have been warming since the industrial age. It will keep going up from now on, a GSM wont save us cause the sun has minimal effect in its minimum and maximum fase.

          • Brad says:

            This chart says otherwise and it keeps lowering each year.

          • AndyG55 says:

            We have been warming NATURALLY out of the COLDEST ANOMALY in 10,000 years.

            BE VERY THANKFUL !!

            What don’t you understand??

            Still waiting for EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE that human CO2 or CH4 have had ANY effect on climate.

            Do you even know the meaning of the word “empirical”?

            DO you even know the meaning of the word “science” ?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Still the DENIAL of the FACT that Arctic sea ice levels are only a small amount down from the HIGHEST EXTENT since the LIA.

            Your IGNORANCE of climate history is quite bizarre.

            You do know that biological evidence shows that for most of the first 8000+ years of the current interglacial, the Arctic was often summer ICE FREE.

            Current level is till I the TOP !)% of the Holocene.

            I know educating you on actual climate is basically pointless because your brain-washing makes you INCAPABLE of any actual reality, but at least try to learn something !!

            Don’t remain chronically ignorant all your life.

          • Brad says:

            Have you been on the northpole drilling ice cores yourself or what for those charts? Cause no other scientist show those graphs.

          • AndyG55 says:

            DENIAL of actual science now.

            Seriously !!!!

            Of course the AGW propagandists don’t show you these sort of ACTUAL SCIENCE.

          • AndyG55 says:

            These , of course , match the GISP ice data quite well.

          • AndyG55 says:

            You were aware that the world is very much at the COLD end of the current interglacial, weren’t you?

            Or were you chronically IGNORANT of that as well?

          • Brad says:

            I have heard of rossby waves before, is that similar to that? How can you be 100% sure we are not causing the weakening jetstream? Is there any proof?

          • establ says:

            30 degrees below normal here. Below normal temps for the next week. What does that mean Brad?

            Using your logic it means we are heading for another ice age and we need to start pumping CO2 and methane into the air to get thing back to “normal”.

            http://mercercc.com/web-cams/

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Some ACTUAL FACTS for you Andy:

          • AndyG55 says:

            You have a sailing trip ahead of you , don’t you jimbo

            And why not a wider picture.

            No-one has sailed that route since 1944..

            Was impassable last year…

            you KNOW that, so stop the nonsense.

            Off you toddle.. be a good boy and try not to get stuck in sea ice.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Jimbo the clown tries the DECEPTION yet again and gets caught.

            Why didn’t you show a wider image , jimbo.

            You know why, don’t you., slimy troll.

        • Brad says:

          Is it all a lie then? Because why is the media and weathermen/woman keep on going we are gonna melt? Im sure next week those weather people will say its due to global warming its gonna be so hot next week, jetstream weakens because of global warming bringing the hot weather and on and on of the same shit every year…

          • AndyG55 says:

            Look at the data, brad.

            Do you have the intelligence to make up your own mind??

            The Jet stream wobbly is very similar to that in 1977
            and probably many before that which we don’t have information on

          • AndyG55 says:

            Now since the late 1970s was basically the COLDEST period in the Arctic in 80-100 years, the wobble then could not have been caused by warming, can it.

            Its actually a solar effect, but you are not capable of comprehending that at all.

          • Brad says:

            I have heard of rossby waves before, is that similar to that? How can you be 100% sure we are not causing the weakening jetstream? Is there any proof?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Answer me a couple of simple questions, brad.

            Do you use a heater in winter? If so…Why?

            If its controlled, What temperature do you set it at?

            What do you think the ideal world temperature should be?

          • AndyG55 says:

            “Is there any proof?

            I’ve asked you for empirical proof that CO2 (or CH4) cause warming.

            Do you have any?

            There is no empirical evidence we are affecting the climate.

            It only exists in models, driven by erroneous scientific assumptions.

            (red is UAH)

          • Brad says:

            No, not using a heater. Ideal temperature for january : -5 degrees celcius, february:-10, march:+10, april:+15, may:+20, june:+25, july:+25, august:+20, september:+15, October:+10, november +5 and december: o degrees celcius.

          • AndyG55 says:

            I bet you use the heater in October, November, December, January, February and March

            Don’t LIE.

            And I didn’t ask for the average monthly temperatures in Belgium.

          • Disillusioned says:

            Brad said, “How can you be 100% sure we are not causing the weakening jetstream? Is there any proof?”

            Please provide us your proof that it is not part of just one more of the natural cycles that has happened many times before

        • TimC says:

          In the midwest, we woke this morning to a fresh coat of snow, and temperature well below 0 C. Very unusual for mid-April. This extraordinary cold will travel to the north pole, balancing any warmth from Europe, and keep the arctic climate at normal levels.

    • AndyG55 says:

      It is also noted that brad has continued to COWARDLY AVOID posting any empirical evidence that human released atmospheric CO2 or CH4 cause any warming.

      Still waiting, brad

      Or will you remain an empty sack. !

    • tonyheller says:

      How will mild weather in Europe cause sea level rise?

      • Brad says:

        Warm air at europe finding its way to the arctic in late april. Enchancing the melting, what will begin earlier then other years.

        • AndyG55 says:

          roflmao..

          Get your meds adjusted .

          And please stay away from knives. !!

        • tonyheller says:

          It is very cold in the Arctic.

          • Brad says:

            It is now yes but it will get a hit at the russian side where the thickest ice is. Around freezing temperature, not a good evolvement.

          • AndyG55 says:

            If its around freezing temperature, it won’t melt ice, will it , idiot !!

            And yes, its coming into spring, VERY slowly up there.

            Everywhere up there where there is ice is BELOW ZERO

          • Brad says:

            Actually salt water freeze at -2 celcius not 0 degrees

          • AndyG55 says:

            Oh dear, so you think sea ice is salt water.

            Another cross in the IGNORANT box for Brad.

            I’ll need a replacement pen soon !!

      • AndyG55 says:

        Tony, this twit has the knowledge of a 5 year old.

        Ignorance personified.

        • Steven Fraser says:

          Brad wrote:

          ‘Warm air at europe finding its way to the arctic in late april. Enchancing the melting, what will begin earlier then other years.’

          Melting has not yet begun this year (volume still growing some, as of the 14th) but in other years, had begun already.

    • Anon says:

      Brad,

      Why don’t you do some real reading and come back here with an informed opinion: (good option to buy Carbon Free sugar @ 1 min, 6 seconds below.)
      From MIT Center of Atmospheric Research & the Harvard & Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYAy871w9t8

      http://blog.friendsofscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lindzen12-March-ClimateScienceNOTansweringQ.pdf

      As far as your theory of sea level rise, you have two options, send money to the Prime Minister of Tuvalu, or look at the photos and tide gauges:

      To send money, read this:
      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/14/island-nations-shouldnt-be-left-to-drown-from-climate-change

      To see from photographic evidence how these islands are now growing (oops), read these:
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/tuvalu/7799503/Pacific-islands-growing-not-shrinking-due-to-climate-change.html

      https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/02/150213-tuvalu-sopoaga-kench-kiribati-maldives-cyclone-marshall-islands/

      To see the actual tide gauge and lack of sea level rise in Tuvalu, go here:
      http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/1839.php

      Sooner or later, the evidence catches up to you guys.

      As a scientist, you climate change alarmists make me ill.

  2. arn says:

    Damn!!!
    this arctic ice is so die hard.
    Already vanished 66 years ago and still well alive and kicking.
    Seems the more it melts the more ice is there.
    The Freddy Kruger of Science-the more often it got killed the better it performs.
    The melting of the arctic reminds me somehow of Peter Sellers in this movie scene
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iPGcqFOEJY

    (and someone should tell stupid Brad that it does not matter how much arctic ice is melting. The sea level won”t rise because of that even when the entire arctic
    ice disappears)

    • Brad says:

      I was also referring to greenland, if you didnt know it belongs to part of the arctic. So the warm gulfstream and summer melt will have zero effect on further decaying ice on greenland then?

      • AndyG55 says:

        Ice on Greenland IS NOT decaying.

        SMB has INCREASED for the last two years.

        Volume hasn’t changed much since 1900

        Area is only a touch down from it largest are in 8000+ years

        STOP BEING SO IGNORANT

        STOP DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE

      • AndyG55 says:

        Greenland is actually COLDER than it has been for most of the last 10,000 years.

        Stop being an ignorant chicken-little, and FFS LEARN the FACTS.

  3. Brad says:

    Antarctic sea ice is also struggeling this year with now aiming for the 2017 jear with a slowing upward trend.

    • AndyG55 says:

      You are IGNORANT about the large El Nino surge, aren’t you, drab

      Remember just two or three years ago it set a new record high.

      CH4 must fluctuate big time down there, hey dim-wit.

      And of course, Antarctic temperatures…

      just ignore the facts, drab.. its all you can do

      • Brad says:

        Facts you ignore too, sea ice chart is wobbeling and not going up in a straight line (as it should) i think we will surpass 2017 with even lesser sea ice extent.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “i think we will surpass 2017 with even lesser sea ice extent.”

          What you imagine/think is IRRELEVANT.

          And even if it does, its still in the top 10% of Arctic sea ice.

          What don’t you comprehend about the late 1970s being an extreme extent up there with the LIA.

          What don’t you comprehend about the current level being only marginally down on the MOST EXTREME extent in the last 10,000 years.

          WHY are you DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE?

          • Brad says:

            I hope your right but i doubt it, speak again in 20 years where ice will be record low.

          • AndyG55 says:

            The massive benefits of Arctic sea ice dropping to MWP levels or similar cannot be DENIED.

            Fishing, transport, commerce, drilling, food production, recreation etc, etc would all become possible for more than a short period each year.

            Why do you think the Russians spend SO MUCH money on Ice-breakers, if access wasn’t of GREAT BENEFIT to them. ?

            Two new big nuclear powered ones being built right now.

            China building ice-breaking transport ships and HUGE cost.

            Wouldn’t it be so much easier for them with LESS sea ice for MORE of the year???

          • AndyG55 says:

            “speak again in 20 years ”

            You might have grown up and got a decent education by then.

          • Gator says:

            I hope your right…

            No, she doesn’t. Anyone “hoping” would pursue evidence to that end.

            … speak again in 20 years…

            What, when she is 25?

            To be honest, if I believed what Ms Brad errantly believes, I too would also be an alarmist. Ms Brad is an excellent example of this…

            Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
            -Voltaire

        • AndyG55 says:

          And no, I do not ignore the facts.

          I know the Arctic sea ice has RECOVERED down towards a more normal extent after the coldest period in 10,000 years.

          I know that the recovery has stalled for the last 10 years.

          I know Arctic sea ice is well linked to the AMO, and thus will probably start increasing over the next several years.

          Tell me what facts I am ignoring?

          You seem to be ignoring basically every fact put in front of you.

          Its your MORONICALLY IGNORANT historical perspective that is your problem.

          And you seem intent on remaining ignorant.

          Oh and the last, and best sea ice reconstruction, because it actually matches recorded temperatures.

          1940s pretty similar to now.

  4. Andy DC says:

    Brad is one of those that believes that then thermometer was not invented until 1979.

    Brad also needs to brush up on history and read about how the Allies supported Russia with vital supplies during 1940, from north (Arctic) side. Also read about NORAD and the vital strategic importance of the Arctic during the Cold War. To claim that no one had a clue about the extent of Arctic sea ice between 1940 and 1979 is naive and willfully ignorant.

  5. Jim Hunt says:

    Meanwhile on the Northern Sea Route:

    https://youtu.be/JZkD9TFXrdU

    • AndyG55 says:

      A specially built icebreaker/ transport ship.

      SO WHAT.. to pretend its NOT an icebreaker, is DECEPTION .

      Look at all the sea ice it has to get through

      A LOT of sea ice up there, isn’t there, jimbo.

      Wouldn’t you agree !!

      Imagine how much cheaper it would be if there was LESS sea ice.

      You could use an ordinary tanker.

  6. Gator says:

    Ms Brad sure seems hopeful!

  7. Steven Fraser says:

    DMI April 15th ice volume: Still growing. In terms of growth from prior year minimum, ust surpassed growth of 2011-2012 year. 2017-2018 is now ranked 8th for growth, 18,703 cu km accumulated, which is 98.815% of the average growth for the 15 growth periods.

    Right in the middle of the pack.

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