Changes In Attitude – Changes In Latitude

Taking the average of all GHCN stations in Western Europe, there has been about 8F (4.4C) warming since 1895.

This has corresponded with a southward move of about four degrees average station latitude .

The rule of thumb is that one degree latitude corresponds with 1C change in temperature.

Throw in massive UHI effects, and it is pretty safe to say that we have no idea what European temperature trends are.

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13 Responses to Changes In Attitude – Changes In Latitude

  1. Bob Hoye says:

    Some ten years ago, I had read that in the US weather stations too far north or too far up slope were removed.

  2. gregole says:

    What a mess of useless data. They have no idea.

  3. RW says:

    Tony, mind making the data points from your two graphs available?

    • RW says:

      Should have specified top two graphs. But if you have the function that can yield the fitted curve for the bottom graph that would be good too. Or the data points for it.

  4. Bob Tisdale says:

    Tony, what a great find!!!!! A 4 deg latitude change from about 51N to 47N is about 440km or 270 miles.

    Will you be overlaying your “average latitude of all western Europe GHCN stations ” graph on a map of Europe? That might help drive the point home. A rough look indicates the center shifts from around the latitude of Brussels to about the latitude of Bern.


  5. Christopher Witzel says:

    Wow, Never even considered that. And you’ll never hear a “climate scientist” mention variables like this in main stream media.

  6. Johansen says:

    You have just done what amounts to an entire research project, made a profound discovery, and backed it up with actual data. In the world of academia, this would most certainly be submitted to leading journals – maybe together with a little more backup/fine tuning/data mining. I hope you’re able to find a way to protect your work product legally/financially

  7. Archie says:

    My brother is in the “climate field” and had this to say: “Accounting for spatial and temporal changes in monitoring locations is a standard practice in any credible data integration and trend analysis. So this should be accounted for in any scientific assessments and should be a non issue.”

    One would hope, but how can we tell if this data has been corrected over time for the shift in latitude? Is this a case of GIGO or not enough information about the data sets?

    • tonyheller says:

      “Plausible deniability for corrupt data practices”

      • Archie says:

        Is there a way to find out if “due diligence” was done on a data set by way of corrections? Your arguments and analyses are impressive and persuasive but without know the “history” of a data set it’s hard to draw a conclusion. As Trump once said on a different subject, there are good people on both sides of the argument. (just because he was excoriated for saying it didn’t make him wrong)

        BTW, my Brother is posted at CSU and of course knew Dr. Wm Gray.

  8. Just a guy says:

    And yet 94% of the worlds glaciers have been shrinking ever since measurements began being taken and continue to do so. If the earth isn’t getting hotter, what’s melting all that ice? Or is that not happening either?

  9. M.L. says:

    Are there similar concerns with US data regarding shifts in station latitude or other variables (e.g., elevation)? It would be interesting to see if your cooling trend in the US is explained by a northward shift in station latitude or elevation.

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