Freezing Out Arctic Fakery

The press is full of stories about Arctic sea ice being at a record low, that it may reach a record low, and that it is causing lightning to strike near the North Pole.

NSIDC graphs show this year about the same as 2012

Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph | Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis

However their maps show 5% more ice this year than 2012. I’ve caught NSIDC cheating many times. It is the Boulder way of doing climate science.

Index of /DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/north/daily/images/

Arctic sea ice is melting very slowly, there has been almost no change in extent over the last three days.

The Danish Meteorological Institute shows that volume loss has essentially stopped, about two weeks earlier than normal.

FullSize_CICE_combine_thick_SM_EN_20190814.png (1337×1113)

This graph shows extent for all August days in the MASIE record. Ice extent dropped very rapidly during the second half of August 2012.

There has been no trend in Arctic sea ice extent since the start of MASIE records in 2006.

ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02186/masie_4km_allyears_extent_sqkm.csv

Temperatures have been right at the long term mean near the North Pole all summer.

Ocean and Ice Services | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut

Temperatures are forecast to be below freezing across the remaining ice for the rest of the summer.

10-Day Temperature Outlook

Nothing the press is saying about the Arctic has any validity, and when the summer ends they will continue to lie. But at least someone in the academic community is challenging their BS.

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56 Responses to Freezing Out Arctic Fakery

  1. Ferdinand says:

    I have a question regarding the sea ice volume. Until recently one could download sea ice volume data from http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icethickness/txt/IceVol.txt. But this link no longer works and I am not able to find where I can get these data now. Can anyone help me? Thanks.

  2. Ferdinand says:

    Btw: Great article. Great job as always!

  3. Joe in Wyo says:

    I’m watching Le Voyage D’Alioth from the comfort of Wyoming as they try to sail thru the NorthWest Passage. They seem to be on track and biding their time til the ice melts enough to open up a safe passage thru…. it’s interresting times to be alive….

    • Stewart Pid says:

      Link please Joe

      • Phil. says:

        They’ve got through the remaining ice in Peel, had problem with broken gearbox but were escorted through the ice by two other yachts, Mandregore and Moli. Should be closing in on Cambridge Bay.
        https://sites.google.com/view/yacht-alioth/the-position?authuser=0

        • spike55 says:

          Sneaking around the southern route, because the route sailed by Larsen in 1944 is IMPASSABLE.

          There really is still one heck of a lot of sea ice up there, isn’t there Phail. !

          Good thing they have satellites to show them where the ice is ;-)

          • Phil. says:

            Sneaking around the southern route, because the route sailed by Larsen in 1944 is IMPASSABLE.

            Going via the Amundsen route, from where they are now he had to spend one more winter before he could reach the Bering Strait, let’s see how they do.

            There really is still one heck of a lot of sea ice up there, isn’t there Phail. !

            Actually no, most of the route is completely free of ice:
            Pond Inlet https://i2.wp.com/figure8voyage.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/IMG_5970.jpg?w=1280

            Sailing through Peel Sound just before the only significant ice they’ll encounter:
            “we are moving through 2/10ths ice off of McClure Bay. I start hand steering. It is easy going. Though beautiful, the ice is rotten, the pieces are small and much eaten away. I weave Mo at full speed as I keep an eye forward for more.

  4. Anon says:

    Even NASA seems to be back pedalingon this, with a “newly discovered” negative feedback mechanism.

    If you read the “fine print” (ie nuanced statements in all of the hype) they are saying that the Arctic will not to be ice free for decades – possibly until end of this Century (2100):

    But at the same time that sea ice is vanishing quicker than it has ever been observed in the satellite record, it is also thickening at a faster rate during winter. This increase in growth rate might last for decades, a new study accepted for publication in Geophysical Research Letters found.”This negative feedback mechanism increasing ice growth is unlikely to be sufficient in preventing an ice-free Arctic this century,” Petty and his colleagues concluded.

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2018/wintertime-arctic-sea-ice-growth-slows-long-term-decline-nasa

    So, coincidentally, another previously unknown, but timely mechanism has been discovered to push the melting deadline much farther into the future – where a real cynic might observe: to a date long past the retirement age and lifespan of the scientists making the predictions.

  5. Gator says:

    The lightning was detected by Global Lightning Dataset GLD360, which launched in September 2009.

    Ten years of comparable data.

    (yawn)

    • GW Smith says:

      We’re also deeper into this solar grand minimum, meaning more cosmic radiation and shifts in electric charge for different places on the earth, and the poles are are primary ports of entry.

  6. Phil. says:

    What a load of garbage.
    Yes 2019 is extremely close to 2012, the previous record year (you forgot to mention that). Also in your last post you said that 2019 “This summer is likely to finish highest in the past five years”, it’s already below the 2014 minimum and likely to pass 2017 & 2018 in the next week.
    You claim that NSIDC’s maps show 5% more ice without any evidence, care to justify that? Perhaps you don’t know how to calculate it.
    You claim that “Arctic sea ice is melting very slowly, there has been almost no change in extent over the last three days”, whereas loss rate is about average for the date.
    You claim that “The Danish Meteorological Institute shows that volume loss has essentially stopped, about two weeks earlier than normal”, it does not.
    You continue to make claims about trends using MASIE which its authors say it is not suitable for.
    “Temperatures have been right at the long term mean near the North Pole all summer”, that’s because there’s ice there!
    You then state that the ice surface temperature is forecast to below freezing and show a map which doesn’t show that.

    • Gator says:

      Time to take the beam out of your own eye..

      Failed winter climate predictions
      (The first 33 concern mostly Germany and Central Europe)

      1. “Due to global warming, the coming winters in the local regions will become milder.”
      Stefan Rahmstorf, Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research, University of Potsdam, 8 Feb 2006

      ***

      2. “Milder winters, drier summers: Climate study shows a need to adapt in Saxony Anhalt.”
      Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, Press Release, 10 Jan 2010.

      ****

      3. “More heat waves, no snow in the winter“ … “Climate models… over 20 times more precise than the UN IPCC global models. In no other country do we have more precise calculations of climate consequences. They should form the basis for political planning. … Temperatures in the wintertime will rise the most … there will be less cold air coming to Central Europe from the east. …In the Alps winters will be 2°C warmer already between 2021 and 2050.”
      Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, 2 Sept 2008.

      ****

      4. “The new Germany will be characterized by dry-hot summers and warm-wet winters.“
      Wilhelm Gerstengarbe and Peter Werner, Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK), 2 March 2007

      ****

      5. “Clear climate trends are seen from the computer simulations. Foremost the winter months will be warmer all over Germany. Depending of CO2 emissions, temperatures will rise by up to 4°C, in the Alps by up to 5°C.”Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, 7 Dec 2009.

      ****

      6. “In summer under certain conditions the scientists reckon with a complete melting of the Arctic sea ice. For Europe we expect an increase in drier and warmer summers. Winters on the other hand will be warmer and wetter.”
      Erich Roeckner, Max Planck Institute, Hamburg, 29 Sept 2005.

      ****

      7. “The more than ‘unusually‘ warm January weather is yet ‘another extreme event’, ‘a harbinger of the winters that are ahead of us’. … The global temperature will ‘increase every year by 0.2°C’”
      Michael Müller, Socialist, State Secretary in the Federal Ministry of Environment, in Die Zeit, 15 Jan 2007

      ****

      8. “Harsh winters likely will be more seldom and precipitation in the wintertime will be heavier everywhere. However, due to the milder temperatures, it’ll fall more often as rain than as snow.”
      Online-Atlas of the Helmholtz-Gemeinschaft, 2010

      9. “We’ve mostly had mild winters in which only a few cold months were scattered about, like January 2009. This winter is a cold outlier, but that doesn’t change the picture as a whole. Generally it’s going to get warmer, also in the wintertime.”
      Gerhard Müller-Westermeier, German Weather Service (DWD), 26 Jan 2010

      ****

      10. “Winters with strong frost and lots of snow like we had 20 years ago will cease to exist at our latitudes.”
      Mojib Latif, Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, 1 April 2000

      ****

      11. “Good bye winter. Never again snow?”
      Spiegel, 1 April 2000

      ****

      12. “In the northern part of the continent there likely will be some benefits in the form of reduced cold periods and higher agricultural yields. But the continued increase in temperatures will cancel off these benefits. In some regions up to 60 percent of the species could die off by 2080.”

      3Sat, 26 June 2003

      ****

      13. “Although the magnitude of the trends shows large variation among different models, Miller et al. (2006) find that none of the 14 models exhibits a trend towards a lower NAM index and higher arctic SLP.”
      IPCC 2007 4AR, (quoted by Georg Hoffmann)

      ****

      14. “Based on the rising temperature, less snow will be expected regionally. While currently 1/3 of the precipitation in the Alps falls as snow, the snow-share of precipitation by the end of the century could end up being just one sixth.”
      Germanwatch, Page 7, Feb 2007

      ****

      15. “Assuming there will be a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere, as is projected by the year 2030. The consequences could be hotter and drier summers, and winters warmer and wetter. Such a warming will be proportionately higher at higher elevations – and especially will have a powerful impact on the glaciers of the Firn regions.”

      and

      ” The ski areas that reliably have snow will shift from 1200 meters to 1500 meters elevation by the year 2050; because of the climate prognoses warmer winters have to be anticipated.”
      Scinexx Wissenschaft Magazin, 26 Mar 2002

      ****

      16. “Yesterday’s snow … Because temperatures in the Alps are rising quickly, there will be more precipitation in many places. But because it will rain more often then it snows, this will be bad news for tourists. For many skilifts this means the end of business.”
      Daniela Jacob, Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, 8 Aug 2006

      ****

      17. “Spring will begin in January starting in 2030.”
      Die Welt, 30 Sept 2010

      ****

      18. “Ice, snow, and frost will disappear, i.e. milder winters” … “Unusually warm winters without snow and ice are now being viewed by many as signs of climate change.” Schleswig Holstein NABU, 10 Feb 2007

      ****

      19. “Good bye winter… In the northern hemisphere the deviations are much greater according to NOAA calculations, in some areas up to 5°C. That has consequences says DWD meteorologist Müller-Westermeier: When the snowline rises over large areas, the bare ground is warmed up even more by sunlight. This amplifies global warming. A process that is uncontrollable – and for this reason understandably arouses old childhood fears: First the snow disappears, and then winter.”
      Die Zeit, 16 Mar 2007

      ****

      20. “Warm in the winter, dry in the summer … Long, hard winters in Germany remain rare: By 2085 large areas of the Alps and Central German Maountains will be almost free of snow. Because air temperatures in winter will rise more quickly than in summer, there will be more precipitation. ‘However, much of it will fall as rain,’ says Daniela Jacob of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology.”
      FOCUS, 24 May 2006

      ****

      21. “Consequences and impacts for regional agriculture: Hotter summers, milder + shorter winters (palm trees!). Agriculture: More CO2 in the air, higher temperatures, foremost in winter.”
      Dr. Michael Schirmer, University of Bremen, presentation of 2 Feb 2007

      ****

      22. “Winters: wet + mild”

      Bavarian State Ministry for Agriculture, presentation 23 Aug 2007

      ****

      23. “The climate model prognoses currently indicate that the following climate changes will occur: Increase in minimum temperatures in the winter.”
      Chamber of Agriculture of Lower Saxony Date: 6 July 2009

      ****

      24. “Both the prognoses for global climate development and the prognoses for the climatic development of the Fichtel Mountains clearly show a warming of the average temperature, whereby especially the winter months will be greatly impacted.”
      Willi Seifert, University of Bayreuth, diploma thesis, p. 203, 7 July 2004

      ****

      25. “Already in the year 2025 the conditions for winter sports in the Fichtel Mountains will develop negatively, especially with regards to ‘natural’ snow conditions and for so-called snow-making potential. A financially viable ski business operation after about the year 2025 appears under these conditions to be extremely improbable (Seifert, 2004)”.
      Andreas Matzarakis, University of Freiburg Meteorological Institute, 26 July 2006

      ****

      26. “Skiing among palm trees? … For this reason I would advise no one in the Berchtesgadener Land to invest in a ski-lift. The probability of earning money with the global warming is getting less and less.”
      Hartmut Graßl, Director Emeritus, Max Planck-Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, page 3, 4 Mar 2006

      ****

      27. “Climate warming leads to an increasingly higher snow line. The number of future ski resorts that can be expected to have snow is reducing. […] Climate change does not only lead to higher temperatures, but also to changes in the precipitation ratios in summer and winter. […] In the wintertime more precipitation is to be anticipated. However, it will fall more often as rain, and less often as snow, in the future.”
      Hans Elsasser, Director of the Geographical Institute of the University of Zurich, 4 Mar 2006

      ****

      28. “All climate simulations – global and regional – were carried out at the Deutschen Klimarechenzentrum [German Climate Simulation Center]. […] In the winter months the temperature rise is from 1.5°C to 2°C and stretches from Scandinavia to the Mediterranean Sea. Only in regions that are directly influenced by the Atlantic (Great Britain, Portugal, parts of Spain) will the winter temperature increase be less (Fig. 1).”
      Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Press Release, Date: December 2007/Januar 2013.

      ****

      29. “By the year 2050 … temperatures will rise 1.5 C to 2.5°C (summer) and 3°C (winter). … in the summer it will rain up to 40% less and in the winter up to 30% more.
      German Federal Department of Highways, 1 Sept 2010

      ****

      30. “We are now at the threshold of making reliable statements about the future.“
      Daniela Jacob, Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, page 44, 10/2001

      ****

      31. “The scenarios of climate scientitsts are unanimous about one thing: In the future in Germany we will have to live with drier and drier summers and a lot more rain in the winters.”
      Gerhard Müller-Westermeier, German Weather Service (DWD), 20 May 2010

      ****

      32. “In the wintertime the winds will be more from the west and will bring storms to Germany. Especially in western and southern Germany there will be flooding.“ FOCUS / Mojib Latif, Leibniz Institute for Ocean Sciences of the University of Kiel, 27 May 2006.

      ****

      33. “While the increases in the springtime appear as rather modest, the (late)summer and winter months are showing an especially powerful warming trend.“
      State Ministry of Environment, Agriculture and Geology, Saxony, p. 133, Schriftenreihe Heft 25/2009.

      ****

      34. “Warm Winters Result From Greenhouse Effect, Columbia Scientists Find, Using NASA Model …
      Despite appearing as part of a natural climate oscillation, the large increases in wintertime surface temperatures over the continents may therefore be attributable in large part to human activities,”
      Science Daily, Dr. Drew Shindell 4 June 1999

      ****

      35. “Within a few years winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event. … Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.”
      David Viner, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, 20 March 2000

      ****

      36. “This data confirms what many gardeners believe – winters are not as hard as they used to be. … And if recent trends continue a white Christmas in Wales could certainly be a thing of the past.”
      BBC, Dr Jeremy Williams, Bangor University, Lecturer in Geomatics, 20 Dec 2004

      ****

      37. The rise in temperature associated with climate change leads to a general reduction in the proportion of precipitation falling as snow, and a consequent reduction in many areas in the duration of snow cover.”
      Global Environmental Change, Nigel W. Arnell, Geographer, 1 Oct 1999

      ****

      38. “Computer models predict that the temperature rise will continue at that accelerated pace if emissions of heat-trapping gases are not reduced, and also predict that warming will be especially pronounced in the wintertime.”
      Star News, William K. Stevens, New York Times, 11 Mar 2000

      ****

      39. “In a warmer world, less winter precipitation falls as snow and the melting of winter snow occurs earlier in spring. Even without any changes in precipitation intensity, both of these effects lead to a shift in peak river runoff to winter and early spring, away from summer and autumn.”
      Nature, T. P. Barnett et. al., 17 Nov 2005

      *****

      40. “We are beginning to approximate the kind of warming you should see in the winter season.”
      Star News, Mike Changery, National Climatic Data Center, 11 Mar 2000

      ****

      41. “Milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms but could cause an increase in freezing rain if average daily temperatures fluctuate about the freezing point.”
      IPCC Climate Change, 2001

      ****

      42. “Global climate change is likely to be accompanied by an increase in the frequency and intensity of heat waves, as well as warmer summers and milder winters…9.4.2. Decreased Mortality Resulting from Milder Winters … One study estimates a decrease in annual cold-related deaths of 20,000 in the UK by the 2050s (a reduction of 25%)”
      IPCC Climate Change, 2001

      ****

      43. “The lowest winter temperatures are likely to increase more than average winter temperature in northern Europe. …The duration of the snow season is very likely to shorten in all of Europe, and snow depth is likely to decrease in at least most of Europe.”
      IPCC Climate Change, 2007

      ****

      44. “Snowlines are going up in altitude all over the world. The idea that we will get less snow is absolutely in line with what we expect from global warming.”
      WalesOnline, Sir John Houghton – atmospheric physicist, 30 June 2007

      ****

      45. “In the UK wetter winters are expected which will lead to more extreme rainfall, whereas summers are expected to get drier. However, it is possible under climate change that there could be an increase of extreme rainfall even under general drying.”
      Telegraph, Dr. Peter Stott, Met Office, 24 July 2007

      ****

      46. “Winter has gone forever and we should officially bring spring forward instead. … There is no winter any more despite a cold snap before Christmas. It is nothing like years ago when I was younger. There is a real problem with spring because so much is flowering so early year to year.”
      Express, Dr Nigel Taylor, Curator of Kew Gardens, 8 Feb 2008

      ****

      —–End—

      Oh, just one more:

      47. “The past is no longer a guide to the future. We no longer have a stationary climate,”…
      Independent, Dr. Peter Stott, Met Office, 27 Jul 2007

      ****

      New entries, thanks to readers!

      48. (h/t Paul M) “It is consistent with the climate change message. It is exactly what we expect winters to be like – warmer and wetter, and dryer and hotter summers. …the winter we have just seen is consistent with the type of weather we expect to see more and more in the future.”
      Wayne Elliott, Met Office meteorologist, BBC, 27 Feb 2007

      ****

      49. ” If your decisions depend on what’s happening at these very fine scales of 25 km or even 5 km resolution then you probably shouldn’t be making irreversible investment decisions now.”
      Myles Allen, “one of the UK’s leading climate modellers”, Oxford University, 18 June 2009

      ****

      50. “It’s great that the government has decided to put together such a scientifically robust analysis of the potential impacts of climate change in the UK.”
      Keith Allott, WWF-UK, 18 June 2009

      ****

      51. (h/t: John Shade) “The data collected by experts from the university [of Bangor] suggests that a white Christmas on Snowdon – the tallest mountain in England and Wales – may one day become no more than a memory.”
      BBC News, 20 Dec 2004
      [BBC 2013: “Snowdon Mountain Railway will be shut over the Easter weekend after it was hit by 30ft (9.1m) snow drifts.”]

      ****

      52. (h/t: AngusPangus) “Spring is arriving earlier each year as a result of climate change, the first ‘conclusive proof’ that global warming is altering the timing of the seasons, scientists announced yesterday.”
      Guardian, 26 Aug 2006.

      Man up Phail!

      • Phil. says:

        Time to take the beam out of your own eye..

        Really, I criticized Tony for erroneous statements he made, the statements you bring up are ones I have nothing to do with.

        Nice attempt at deflection but nothing to do with me, I notice you make no attempt to address the points I brought up.

        • Gator says:

          No attempt to deflect Phail.

          I am just pointing out what an enormous ass you are, and how you guys have zero ethics and zero honesty. All of your beliefs are based upon lies and you know it. That is why you ignore everything we post, and why you refuse to address your team’s massive fails.

          Thanks for validating my argument completely, and for everyone to see!

          • Phil. says:

            No attempt to deflect Phail.

            Of course it was, you didn’t address a single point I raised and just added 50-odd irrelevant quotations.

            I am just pointing out what an enormous ass you are, and how you guys have zero ethics and zero honesty. All of your beliefs are based upon lies and you know it.

            What beliefs, those quotations have nothing to do with me or any of the points I made about Tony’s claims.

            That is why you ignore everything we post,
            That’s exactly what you did.

            and why you refuse to address your team’s massive fails.

            I don’t have a team!

            Thanks for validating my argument completely, and for everyone to see!

            You didn’t make an argument, just posted a load of irrelevant nonsequitors.
            You won’t address the points and we all know that Tony never does.

          • Gator says:

            Phail, it is not my job to defend Tony’s posts.

            What I have repeatedly shown is that you care nothing for facts because you have an agenda.

            And yes, you have a team. You are a fanboy of the alarmists, and would never take your nitpicking roadshow to one of their sites.

            Prove me wrong, Phail.

          • KevinPaul says:

            Gator made a very good point I thought and it backed up the theme of the post, which showed how alarmist scientists and their media mouthpieces make ridiculous assertions, devoid of any reality, or at least exaggerated beyond current recognition. All to foster a climate of hysteria about the end of the world, and a surrender to the Bolshevists.

          • Andy says:

            I think Phil just turned Gator into a handbag once again lol

            Andy

          • Gator says:

            Gator hasn’t enough brain cells to counter argument so he post gibberish instead Phil.

            Hitting the bottle again Andy Andy? LOL

            Please continue…

        • Andy says:

          Gator hasn’t enough brain cells to counter argument so he post gibberish instead Phil.

          Nice to see you still popping over Phil !

          Please continue

          Andy

          • Gator says:

            Time to sleep it off Andy Andy.

            Don’t worry little fella, I know reason and logic drive you to drink, so I will continue.

          • spike55 says:

            Phail has been poppin them pills again, that is for sure

            Like you little-andy, ALWAYS WRONG and provably so.

            Fact, Truth and honesty… you have NONE.

            You are pathetic, even as a low-level troll.

      • KevinPaul says:

        HaHaHa nice one Gator. They have the gall to call it science, it’s crystal ball gazing through cataracts, and reading of an atrophied sclerotic liver……just failed false prophets of doom.
        I’ve seen better results from fortune cookies. Wake up Phil your cult is a pseudo-scientific joke.

    • spike55 says:

      “What a load of garbage.”

      Great heading for your post, Phail !!

      1. Extent will end up above 4Wadhams. just like previous years, and 4 times as much as was forecast by gurus like Al Goree etc.

      2. Extent is FAR HIGHER than for most of the last 10,000 years, in the top 5% or so, only partly down from the anomalous HIGH EXTREMES of the LIA and late 1970s

      Stop being a climate change DENIER.

      3. Sorry you couldn’t see the NSIDC map that TH posted.. no accounting for your wilful blindness or idiocy.

      Your post was ONE BIG PHAIL from the very first line, displaying , yet again, your abject ignorance of all things climate science or mathematical.

    • Sylvia says:

      Well Phil the Dill,

      Extent is also very close now to 2007…. let me see 19-7 = 12! So twelve more years of more CO2 and oops, the ice is still there and growing in winter, according to NASA. Why is this so? Hmmmn? Here’s a thought, quite a few factors play into any individual year’s ice tally, particularly extent.

      The graph does indeed show volume loss has stopped; at least as of today, because the line is not heading down atm, it’s flat. This is called ‘reading a graph’.

      The temperature is at the long term mean near the North Pole because there’s ice there.? Um, why is there ice Phil? 🤨. I thought the CO2 was meant to make it warmer and melt the ice!

      You a bit cray cray…

  7. Brian says:

    Hi Tony,

    Would you be able to make a video (or series of slides) of you starting from scratch, taking the public data and showing that it doesn’t show the warming trend or record highs? Perhaps some video showing us how you do what you do. I’d really like to be able to prove to the people I know, that this is all a hoax, not by providing a link, but through demonstration.

    Thank you,

  8. Henrik Panosyan says:

    Hi Tony Climate Researcher here. I just have 1 question for you please.

    How much are they paying you to keep spreading your garbage?

    Cheers

    • tonyheller says:

      I’m not getting paid anything. It sounds like you are ready to debate. Let’s arrange it.

      • R Shearer says:

        Henrik apparently is being paid by Utah State University. If that is the case, I’m pretty sure we could find out how much “they” are paying him.

      • Charlie says:

        Hello Tony,
        There is a lot of “panic” in Europe about the first Iceland glacier has dissaperd forever. They even put a memoral plate on the site for future people,….. Ke? Could you go into it, to say what they are lieing about this again? Thanks,….love your video’s!!

        • Gator says:

          It’s not the first to melt, and it will be back. Those people are f’ing nuts. They should form a group, and lay plaques daily, with each unprecedented first sunset, that sets “forever”.

    • KevinPaul says:

      Trump must be pinching off the funding hoses. Keep poking their eyeballs Tony.

    • arn says:

      Get a real job.
      You know – where people do productive and usefull stuff
      and not where a bunch of self congratulating lazy post hippies
      compete in virtue signalling.

      (but first debate)

    • Russell Cook says:

      @Henrik Panosyan: I’ve heard that widely in the global warming issue, that those who question it are actually on the payroll of fossil fuel interests under orders to spread lies and disinformation. But when I looked into it deeper, I couldn’t find any actual physical evidence (full context document scans, undercover video/audio transcripts, leaked emails, money-transfer receipts, etc.) proving the accusation. Maybe you can help me and the rest of the guys here, and likely your own friends who’ve heard of the accusation but don’t readily have links straight to the smoking gun evidence. What’s the one bit of evidence you’d frame on the wall and plaster on billboards across the country which nails the ‘paid shills’ to the wall?

    • Kent Clizbe says:

      “Climate systems student researcher Henrik Panosyan is working to understand drastic and rapid temperature changes near at the Earth’s poles as Arctic amplification is heating up the polar regions 2-3 times faster than the rest of the globe.

      “We really don’t have a good idea after all on what is going to happen even years from now,” Panosyan said. “We try to make the best predictions we can, but Arctic amplification is one of the examples of proof that we really don’t know. Things may happen a lot faster than we can predict or things can happen a lot slower than we can predict. There is a ton of work to be done.”

      “Panosyan said impacts of rapid polar warming are being recorded in Siberia, eastern Asia, Eurasia and Europe. He is working to discover how polar temperature changes may also impact the United States. ”

      Hmmmm…sure looks like young Henrik may be virtue signalling to the grant-doling-powers-that-be.

      Sounds like he thinks there may be big bucks at the end of the Arctic-temperatures-are-making-the-USA-hotter/colder/wetter/drier rainbow!

      https://www.usu.edu/today/index.cfm?id=58311

    • Disillusioned says:

      “Climate Researcher here.”

      Bwaahahaha!! ROTFLOL 😂😂😂

  9. Gator says:

    What garbage? Are you suggesting that data is garbage?

    What a dunce! Go play with your broken models Henrik.

  10. griff says:

    2012 was the record low.

    approaching 2012 = approaching the record.

    7 years on, without an ‘arctic cyclone’ we have the ice extent again approaching the record.

    How is that good? Recovering? Stable?

    • Gator says:

      2012 was nowhere near a record low, as there was more ice in the Arctic than the average of the past 9000 years. Quit lying.

      Why do you hate poor brown people Ms Griff?

    • rah says:

      Does anyone else get tired of people like Griff and Phil wetting themselves over Arctic sea ice extent? Sometimes I wish they made Depends for the mouth/brain.

      • Gator says:

        Every sane human tires of their type of behavior, that’s why stories like “Chicken Little” and “The Boy Who Cried Wolf” are part of a classical education. I’m guessing Ms Griff and Phil read “My Two Dads” instead.

  11. Cam says:

    Here’s the NSIDC ice image for the 14th: ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/north/daily/images/2019/08_Aug/N_20190814_extn_hires_v3.0.png

    And here’s the U.S. Navy’s for yesterday: https://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/GLBhycomcice1-12/navo/arcticictnnowcast.gif

    How is NSIDC missing all the ice the Navy is seeing?

    • Stewart Pid says:

      Missing the ice because they want to …. same as DMI disappearing their old third ice graph when it didn’t show the extent decline the “new improved” ice graph did. At least DMI were clear and upfront that the old ice extent graph used a different shore mask. Griff and Phil are too thick to understand that lots of ice is being ignored by fun with masks, pixel count & water on ice. DMI has gotten noticeably sloppier in their accounting for the water on ice lately in my view.
      Griff get stuffed, you bed wetting obsessive-compulsive alarmist shill. Who is paying you to go full retard Griff?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo

      • Phil. says:

        Griff and Phil are too thick to understand that lots of ice is being ignored by fun with masks, pixel count & water on ice.

        Stewart, check out the NSIDC map, see all that ice off Cambridge Bay? The Bremen just sailed through there, not a trace of ice to be seen, I guess they need to improve their mask.

        • spike55 says:

          Larsen sailed through Prince of Wales Strait in 1944 in a little wooden boat, unguided by satellites.

          This year they sneak around through the most southerly route, with satellite navigation and ice images

          Still one heck of a lot of sea ice up there, isn’t there PHAIL !!

          10% more thick ice than in 2012

          And FAR MORE than for most of the last 10,000 years

          Or are you going to continue your pathetic DENIAL of facts.

          • Phil. says:

            Larsen sailed through Prince of Wales Strait in 1944 in a little wooden boat, unguided by satellites.

            “St. Roch was made primarily of thick Douglas fir, with very hard Australian “ironbark” eucalyptus on the outside, and an interior hull reinforced with heavy beams to withstand ice pressure during her Arctic duties. St. Roch was designed by Tom Halliday and was based on Roald Amundsen’s ship Maud”. Somewhat more reinforced than the yachts I’m talking about! They carried dynamite with them too in case they got caught in the ice.
            During their transit from Pond Inlet to Peel inlet they were repeatedly hit by snow storms in contrast to the balmy weather that the yachts this year have encountered. After Beechey island they were forcing their way through leads in the thick ice (it’s clear this year).
            “Owing to heavy packed ice along the Cornwallis Island shore we were unable to land. During the morning of August 23rd we reached a point about 8 miles eastward of Cape Cockburn on Bathurst Island, but were unable to penetrate farther as the thickly packed ice moved eastward at great speed, carrying us along with it for about 20 miles, until abeam of Ackland Bay, where we managed to get loose. We then worked our way inshore and anchored behind some shoals on which heavy ice was grounded, breaking the flow of drift ice. It sheltered us until the morning of the 24th, when the wind changed and cleared the ice from the shores. We followed up the lead and anchored off Cape Cockburn.”
            A lot of the time they anchored up to an ice floe and drifted with it.
            Had the satellite maps existed then I’m sure that it would have appeared as “impassable” as you say it is today.

        • spike55 says:

          Sneaking around the southern route, because the route sailed by Larsen in 1944 is IMPASSABLE.

          There really is still one heck of a lot of sea ice up there, isn’t there Phail. !

          Good thing they have satellites to show them where the ice is, isn’t it ;-)

  12. Gator says:

    Great news! Trump is looking to purchase Greenland, so we may finally see those long needed improvements at the Greenland Summit Country Club and golf course. No walls needed, so we can spend that money on ice removal.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223

    If this goes through, I vote we rename it “Fantasy Island”, and plant lots of palm trees.

  13. Andy says:

    Comparing to 2012 is always a bad idea as that was an unusal year due to…… weather :)

    It will be a low year this year, compared to the 2000+ summer sea ice minima but whether that proves AGW is a different matter.

    Why is it going down though, year on year?

    The Antarctic is more interesting though at the moment since 2015. Noticed a lack of posts on this subject recently. Why the flip? Nobody seems to know

    Andy

    • KevinPaul says:

      NASA have lost all credibility with me I’m afraid. When they’ve been caught out propagandizing (lies) before, how can you sort between fact, and fanciful narrative. How did they know the extent and ferocity of these fires before 1979, we know from the U-2 incident their coverage of the Soviet Arctic was meager. From what Tony has dredged up concerning wild-fires and regeneration frequencies of hundreds of years I’m skeptical to say the least. Just another sermon for the faithful.

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