Before the typhoon made landfall, some international forecasters were estimating wind speeds at 195 m.p.h., which would have meant the storm would hit with winds among the strongest recorded. But local forecasters later disputed those estimates. “Some of the reports of wind speeds were exaggerated,” Mr. Paciente said.
The Philippine weather agency measured winds on the eastern edge of the country at about 150 m.p.h., he said, with some tracking stations recording speeds as low as 100 m.p.h.
A Powerful Typhoon Speeds Across the Philippines – NYTimes.com
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From climate p*rn to climate (pretend) snuff….
There is nothing beneath some alarmists.
I’m not sure where Jeff Masters mentions ‘lying’. He does say that Haiyan had winds of 190 – 195 mph at landfall, making it the strongest tropical cyclone on record to make landfall in world history. Elsewhere he mentions that previous hurricane speeds in the 40s to 60s may have been overestimated.
Huh?
Yahoo now saying up to a thousand casualties OMG!
Should have put link
http://news.yahoo.com/how-to-help-donate-to-victims-of-super-typhoon-haiyan-195111618.html
Either they are way out or the MSM is overdoing the deaths 10,000 and counting, so a thousand casualties just doesn’t fit.
Children and fisherman exaggerate …. Masters is a liar for a political cause.
Not quite clear what your point is. There is no doubt this was a Cat 5 super typhoon and as it approached landfall, the winds were in the 190+ sustained range as viewed from satellites. Whether it was still Cat 5 at landfall is not quite clear yet but it was strong, almost certainly stronger than 140 mph at the riim wall, and again it is not very clear how far away the stations referred to by Mr. Paciente were
You are comparing wind speeds at altitude over the open ocean two hours earlier with wind speeds on the ground at landfall.
Camille had measured ground speeds of 190 MPH – before the wind gauges broke.
Masters is Borg. Borg defend Masters.
Masters is a worn-out conduit for the AGW bilge. He knows there’s money to made, publicity to be had, and a prized place on the “A list” cocktail party list for any self-serving scientist willing to spread the AGW gospel to the gullible masses. The one thing he’ll never do is admit he was wrong about human-caused global warming. It would burst his inflated ego.
In the future, look for his name to appear in the thesaurus as a synonym for “charlatanism.”
useful explanation here:
“………..it would appear that Haiyan/Yolanda passed over the usual very warm waters that allow the formation of typhoons, but also, over water that was warm at depth so as the top of the sea is churned up by the growing storm, there would be extra heat to feed that storm.
At 100 meters depth, the sea was warm enough to form a typhoon. That, dear reader, is extreme.
The same thing happened with Katrina. According to a report from NOAA….
We know that the ocean is absorbing a lot of the extra heat caused by global warming. Well, this is some of that heat, causing megastorms.
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/11/11/why-was-typhoon-haiyanyolanda-so-powerful-and-is-this-a-trend/#.UoGjHjMfDbU.twitter
Do you normally refer to yourself as first person plural? WE know that the measured peak wind speeds on the ground were 147 MPH.
Peter, there’s only a couple of problems with what you’re spewing. You should tell your friends that even when the lunatics are trying to measure OHC at 100 meters it isn’t warming, it’s cooling. http://suyts.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/lol-noaa-yeh-introducing-new-measurement-tool-prolly-didnt-cause-this-more-sophistry-and-facile-figures-from-noaa/
And, if there were any validity to the nonsense, we’d see an increase in either the frequency or the strengths of the hurricanes, we’re not, they’re both decreasing.
Steve’s right, you should quit listening to the voices in your head.
Here’s link to graph of hurricanes and ACE values. http://suyts.wordpress.com/2013/11/08/climate-reminder-nutters-believe-in-a-normal-world-there-would-be-no-hurricanes-evuh/
sources at the link.