The End of Snow? – NYTimes.com
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Let me get this straight. They are worried about a 7F warming by the year 2100, because it has warmed 1.4 F “since the 1800’s”. Must be Common Core math.
You’re from the old school mathematics.
Back when 2+2 still equaled 4.
I’m confused. I thought the snow-is-gone meme had been put on hold for the time being. Maybe he didn’t get the message – or maybe he thinks we’re so air-headed that we can’t remember events from one week to another.
From wuwt minutes ago. Readers may recall our story from Dec 15th, 2013: Over half the USA covered in snow, the most in 11 years. Now, it’ even more. Over two-thirds of the continental USA covered with snow: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/07/over-two-thirds-of-the-continental-usa-covered-with-snow/
NY Times is too STUPID to look out the window to Times Square. You could ski there this winter.
And too stupid to figure out another blast is headed towards them. The long term forecasts are dicey at best because of the jet stream change from zonal to Meridional circulation in the last decade or so.
http://www.stormsurfing.com/stormuser2/images/dods/glob_250.swf
I think by the end of this blast all 5 Great Lakes will be mostly frozen.
http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/glcfs.php?hr=00&ext=ice&type=N&lake=l
Lake Erie and Lake Superior are gone. Lake Huron rarely freezes 100% and it’s almost there now. Lake Michigan in the coldest winters usually has a nice Chicago ice-free zone but it’s looking good. And this much ice on Lake Ontario might be…..what’s the word I’m looking for…..unpre…..unprecid…..unprecidented. No really, Lake Ontario never freezes. Never. At least not until global warming started.
This is some serious shizzle.
He quotes the “professor of Global Change and Tourism”?…it is to laugh!
Too cold for snow.
This guy is a spreading blatant misinformation and progaganda! Both US and Eurasian snowcover are currently way above average and have largely been way above average over the past several winters.
This guy wrote a book titled “Deep”…about snow, not his thoughts…obviously.
Winter avg high temp for sochi 52*f avg low 39* of course lefty media will say its agw to further their agenda
“The planet has warmed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since the 1800s, and as a result, snow is melting. In the last 47 years, a million square miles of spring snow cover has disappeared from the Northern Hemisphere. Europe has lost half of its Alpine glacial ice since the 1850s, and if climate change is not reined in, two-thirds of European ski resorts will be likely to close by 2100.” -NY Times.
The way I read that, the NY Times just said CO2 has nothing to do with climate change.
Excellent. No carbon taxes and no further grants to study CO2 are required.
The 17th century and first part of the 18th century was the last part of a natural cool cycle. The Hudson River froze over in the 17th century. People could sometimes drive their horses and wagons across to Manhattan on the ice. The Old Farmers Almanac accurately predicted snow storms in NY in July. The natural cold cycle ended and we have been enjoying a warm cycle “since the 1800s.” It had nothing to do with industrial CO2. Of course the NY Times is either too ignorant to be writing newspapers or too dishonest.
I live in Lake Placid I was 14 for the 1980 Olympics he speaks of, WE HAD NO SNOW until the start of the games. It was bitter cold but snow less. Just like this year I might add.
Yes, I’m so confused . .. is Global Warming (TM) causing MORE snow, or LESS snow?!?
It certainly seems to be causing record Antarctic ice!
http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/antarctic-sea-ice-extent-is-27-4-above-normal-as-of-feb-7-2014/
BOOM, Drudge does like big headlines:
http://s28.postimg.org/lr1elzmp9/image.jpg
The New York Times will never give up on “global warming/climate change”, nor will any of the left-wingers that need it to be “true” to push their agenda. Without the global warming scam, Obama could not give so much to the Sierra Club and their ilk. Coal mines and plants that are now shut down would still be open and their workers still employed. Electricity prices would be lower, and blackouts rarer. Most lefties don’t know a whit about “climate”, but they almost universally at least pretend to believe that human activity is ruining it.
And Meanwhile here in the East (Long Island) this decade has already been one of the snowiest in the last 100 years and probably more, and it’s not even half way over yet. I am tired of shoveling out blizzard after blizzard year after year. The New York Times is so worthless I wouldn’t even use it to wipe my ass.
The facts are straightforward: The planet is getting hotter. Snow melts above 32 degrees Fahrenheit.
Snow melts above 32 degrees!!! You don’t say!
Is a 5th grade understanding of basic science that hard to achieve? The people I see commenting on this page should be utterly ashamed of their ignorance. At times I almost wish stupid was a painful or fatal condition. Please take 30 minutes to read a proper scientific journal on this subject or if the words are to big, settle for a wiki article. That way you will not embarrass yourselves when speaking on this subject in the future. Willful ignorance is shameful, lazy and inexcusable. If a person is not smart enough to understand a complex problem themselves then they should look to the consensus reached by more intelligent people who have spent their lives studying the problem. In this case you should be listening the consensus reached by the tens of thousands of our world’s best and brightest climatologists. Listening to these morons go on about how climate science isn’t real is like listening to a french fry cook claim that its impossible to make a rocket that can reach space while ignoring the panel of several hundred guys with PHD’s who just made one that did.
Hey Billy! Congratulations on your 5th grade education, hope it didn’t take you more than a decade.
Many of us here are trained scientists. I was a climatology student right after the ice age scare, and right before the great global warming swindle. I spent years studying Earth Sciences at a major university and have followed the science as it has evolved.
There are not “tens of thousands of our world’s best and brightest climatologists”, in the world, much less supportive of CAGW. But there are tens of thousands of actual working scientists who say CAGW is nonsense.
Sorry you are not up to the task of reading and evaluating scientific papers, but keep reaching for the stars, and maybe in a few years you will graduate 6th grade.
Someday Billy will put on long pants and become William.
Dang it Gator, you let the cat out of the bag. I was going to have lots of fun dumping real science on billy.
Sorry Gail, but somebody had to save Schrödinger’s cat. 😉
That is OK Gator I dumped a teeny tiny bit of my treasure trove on dear Billy, Bless his heart….
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2922553/Global-warming-believers-like-hysterical-cult-MIT-scientist-compares-climate-alarmists-religious-fanatics.html
Another moron, eh Billy?…by the way, I am still looking for the “climate science isn’t real” posts that you reference-all I find is disagreement with the politcally driven conclusions of toadies and lickspittles such as yourself…moron indeed.
Hey Billy,
You want something to read?
How about my cache of over three hundred quaternary science papers on the coming glaciation and other stuff?
Here are a few:
Sea level has DROPPED:
Just in case you were wondering the Sea Level chart in WIKI is an ADJUSTED,/b> sea level chart. The sea level is actually dropping.
Mid to late Holocene sea-level reconstruction of Southeast Vietnam using beachrock and beach-ridge deposits
Sea-level highstand recorded in Holocene shoreline deposits on Oahu, Hawaii
Holocene sea-level change and ice-sheet history in the Vestfold Hills, East Antarctica
A new Holocene relative sea level curve for the South Shetland Islands, Antarctica
nora(DOT)nerc.ac.uk/15786/
Verification by another method:
Sea Level Changes Past Records and Future Expectations
More Verification by still another method:
The paper, Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic> says: “Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present.”
Another, more recent study in Norway agrees:
The authors of all these papers simply state that most small glaciers likely didn’t exist 6,000 years ago, but the highest period of the glacial increase has been in the past 600 years. This is hardly surprising with ~9% less solar energy.
And STILL MORE on Sea level:
Dutch scientists found that the moon has some influence on the measured sea level based on cyclic variations of the orbit of the moon.
PAPER:
http://www.citg.tudelft.nl/fileadmin/Faculteit/CiTG/Over_de_faculteit/Afdelingen/Afdeling_Waterbouwkunde/sectie_waterbouwkunde/people/personal/gelder/publications/papers/doc/JCOASTRES-D-11-00169.pdf
The moon pulls the ocean water from the southern to the northern hemisphere in cycles of 18.6 years. The oceans then get more or less the form of pear with the stalk heading north and south alternately. That should have an influence on the sea level of at least at few millimetres and that effect should not be forgotten when you monitor sea levels. You have to monitor for whole cycles of 18.6 years to get correct data. For the time being, the stalk points south.
Besides that effect, the mentioned moon cycles should, according to this paper:
http://ansatte.hials.no/hy/climate/theClimateArticle.pdf
also have a more general influence on the climate in the northern Atlantic region.
So the Climate Scientists do not measure the TRF with the “great precision” they tell the gullible press they do. Currently they resort to cobbling together data from 4 different systems, including the GPS satellite system which was not designed for the job. To the extent that the GRACE system has not been as useful as hoped, and to the extent they want a new launch (GRASP) to resolve the problems.
The revisions to the data plots of the satellites is ongoing. The most egregious adjustments were shortly after they killed Envisat and Jason I. Since then, they’ve only had Jason II to play with, and play with it they have. They regularly change the historical plots with Jason II. If anyone wants to trip down memory lane with the satellite measurements and what they did with the Jason I plots after it quit measuring sea level, you can go here. http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/09/01/jason-i-the-other-killed-satellite/
The conflation of the data sets is ludicrous. There is no validity to what they’re doing anyway, but, it’s fun to watch them alter history and pretend its some reflection of reality.
The approximate 18.6-year cycle has been known for some time as the Metonic Cycle (see below). The cycle is the basis for the 19-year tidal epoch used to define the sea level datum. See American Council of Surveying and Mapping Bulletin at the NOAA website:
http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/publications/Understanding_Sea_Level_Change.pdf
In particular, note Figure 2. “The variation of Mean Range of tide (1900 – 1996) at Seattle, WA, demonstrates the need for averaging the National Tidal Datum Epoch over 19 years.”
In the US, sea level is not just an academic or climate exercise. The various sea level datums, i.e. sea level with respect to adjacent land, are the basis for demarcation between public lands and private lands, historic land grants, and various land ownership boundaries. Quoting from the ACSM Bulletin:
Billy, have you been watching Bill Nye the Science Guy instead of homework again?
Nah,
He has been getting his brain washing from teachers who are too darn stupid to get a real science degree and actually work in productive fields. My courses for a BS in chemistry were far harder than the courses required for a chemistry teacher. (I was a dual major and took all the courses required for both majors.)
Even with the easy courses most teachers in my graduating class were History or English. ~ 500 of each. There were a dozen math teachers, 8 chemistry teachers and 3 physics teachers.
My Ex and I had an entire science department covered between us. I had Bio, Chem and Geology. He had Physics, Math and Astronomy.
Hey Billy read Dumbing Down Americaby Dr. Samuel Blumenfeld
8th Grade Final Exam from 1895
Where’s Billy-boy?…anyone heard from Billy?
He is still trying to sound out the big words and finally had to go get help from Mommy.