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Maybe those people are color-blind….
I’m red-green color blind and even I can see the growth in ice.
OMG!!! At this rate, the northern hemisphere will be covered in just 5 years! Call Algore!
Hilarious! !!…
Yep using Climate Scientists straightlining the trend gives New York City about 5 years… before it’s overtaken by Arctic Ice…
Five years at the current rate, but you must remember that ice coverage is not a straight line, it’s a hockey stick. We’ll be lucky if we have two years.
Crap!! Now I have to spend my few remaining years wondering if my yard is beachfront or hockey rink. Ain’t fair.
+10
Typical Jim and his ludicrous tweeted pictograms – never around when you need a good laugh.
Neven’s comment section – usually a great font of hilarious hair-shirted eschatology – has been quiet as a mouse lately too.
My apologies Fergal. I’ve been absent objecting to a proposed large scale solar PV “farm” in the vicinity. Here you go:
https://twitter.com/jim_hunt/statuses/505082154540609538
The big picture: no ice free passage this year then…
Part of the big picture is that the northern hemisphere will NOT be covered in just 5 years!
I just saw Goddard’s new topic about the “idiot box”, and then saw Jim’s photo-icon. Timing is everything.
According to some people, global warming is a myth. LMAO
As defined by the IPCC…yes as mythical as dragons and unicorns. As a well known natural process that has been occuring long before humanity came to be…nope, not mythical at all.
Yeah, most people with any geology courses LTAO at global warming.
I suggest you hope and pray that CO2 does what the IPCC says it does though even that may not be near enough. Mankind’s contribution being just 1.5 W/m 2 for the forcing of anthropogenic CO2 [cf., Reid, 1997].
The Holocene interglacial is now 11,717 years old….. That’s two centuries or so beyond half the present precession cycle (or 23,000/2=11,500). Only one interglacial , MIS-11, since the Mid-Pleistocene Transition has lasted longer than about half a precession cycle.
Some think the only reason the Holocene did not end during the Little Ice age is because the just ending Grand Solar Maximum kicked in in time to save our collective rearends. See A History of Solar Activity over Millennia Dr. Ilya G. Usoskin of the Sodankyl ? Geophysical Observatory (Oulu unit)
Any hope that the Holocene would go long was shot down by Lisiecki and Raymo in 2005 in their rebuttal of Loutre and Berger, 2003. Since then no one in Quaternary Science has rebutted Lisiecki and Raymo. Not a fact to give one warm fussy feelings.
If you think the Medieval Warm Period and the current Modern Warm Period negates the possibility of the Holocene ending think again.
And just in case you were wondering the “Polar Vortex” of last winter coincides with the same land area as was covered by the Laurentide Ice Sheet of the Wisconsin Ice age, the earth’s last ice age.
Even if the earth does not descend into an interglacial, the climate during the solar insulation lows between the two solar insolation peaks of MIS 11 was quite the rough ride since it was near the solar insolation transition boundary.
To give you a feel for how close to glaciation we are, you can look at the calculations from NOAA:
NOW (modern Warm Period) 476 Wm-2
Holocene peak insolation: 522.5 Wm-2 (46.5 Wm?2 difference)
depth of the last ice age – around 463 Wm?2 (13 Wm?2 difference)
The earth is a heck of a lot closer to glaciation than it is to peak warming. Remember ALL the energy comes from the sun not from greenhouse gases that just retard the escape of the sun’s energy.
A paper from 2007 “Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception ” says
The Ruddiman hypothesis says the activities of man are the only thing that has kept the earth from glacial inception.
A fall 2012 paper “Can we predict the duration of an interglacial? ” says…
The 2012 paper, gives the solar insolation for termination of several interglacials. It gives the current values for insolation = 479 W m?2
MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m?2,
MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m?2,
MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m?2,
MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m?2,
MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m?2,
Oh,
And SouthernGal,
I forgot to mention even NASA thinks we maybe entering a solar minimum and that has other effects than just the climate.
If you bothered to read your history you would find famine caused by a large volcanic eruption along with a solar minimum is considered a cause of the French Revolution.
Yes, but by 2016 we’ll be able to ride jet-skis to the North Pole! I swearz!
Last winter you could cross-country ski from Japan to Iran.
Probably would be a better idea to stick with the machines made by those companies for riding on the frozen form of water…snowmobiles.
Can they out run poley bears?
Not sure about that…but they can, according to an uncle, out run the old farmer down the road, his dogs and his shotgun…
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/co2-milestone-400-ppm-climate-17692
The alarmists are correct: 400 ppm CO2 obviously represents a tipping point in the earth’s climate.
It has in a matter of only months led to a 64% increase in Arctic sea ice, since 2012.
Theactual tipping point the were hoping for at 400ppm was a monetary one…hit 400 ppm and suddenly all the fence sitters and the ‘unwashed masses’ would be willing to donate huge sums of money to save themselves. This would be in addition to a new wave of grant funding to seek a solution.
I walked into a global warming “debate” in the break room at work. I told the liberal the arctic ice cap has grown 60% since 2012. I told him about this very map that I saw on your blog, with the green areas of added ice vastly outweighing the red areas of subtracted ice. He said there are other experts saying the opposite, and where does the funding come from for the “deniers”?
The guy was perfectly content to say “you have your facts, I have mine.” So, détente, apparently. No resolution preserves the untenable status quo, which of course he favors.
Liberals cling to their own facts opposite reality, even when those facts are made up out of thin air.
“It isn’t so much that liberals are ignorant. It’s just that they know so many things that aren’t so.”
? Ronald Reagan
Joe
Read this:
http://www.economictheories.org/2008/12/philosophy-of-karl-marx.html
It explains why real world facts will never make a dent in the head of a liberal.
When New England gets its first serious arctic blast since 1994 this winter, (the winter of 1976-1977 is showing up as a analog of current conditions, and that was worse than 1994), the grid will not be able to handle it, as they are shutting down a crucial coal-powered plant. As the power shuts down with temperatures well below zero, a situation may swiftly develop that can even dent the thick skull of a liberal.
You mean last winter was not cold enough for that area?
It was cold, but the worst cold was to our west. I think the axis of cold was down through Minnesota, last winter. This winter could well be further east.
Keep it north as well. Like you, I was not in the core. But it was cold enough for me!
They didn’t lose power…or at least a widespread outage didn’t occur.
We came very close to a shut down, or some sort of brown-out, last winter. What saved the day was a coal-fired plant. That plant is to be closed down this January, likely in the coldest weather, due to a stupid EPA regulation.
We can only hope this winter is tough enough to serve as a wakeup call.
I remember the winter of 1976-1977.
I was in Rochester NY trying to get a stuck semi unstuck. It was blocking the entire entrance/exit of the factory where I worked trapping the first shift in the parking lot. Luckily I carried emergency supplies including bags of sand and a shovel and got him unstuck so my roomie and I got home safe.
That was a really really nasty cold winter.
No where is _Jim to tell us there is no problem with the electric grid and we are just ‘conspiracy nuts’
Another thing about that winter was that there was sea-ice right down to coastal Virginia. It had one of the few Januaries I can remember where there wasn’t a thaw.
I was young then, and it was rough. Now I’m not so hot blooded, and can understand how cold winters can kill people ten or twenty years older than I, especially if their house gets cold.
If they shut down the coal fired power plant near here due to some idiotic regulation the EPA has concocted to fight Global Warming, they know the grid will fail, houses will get cold, and old people will die. I don’t call that mismanagement. I call that murder. They can just as well wait until April.
I think the more people who call them out on this dunderheaded power-plant-closure beforehand, the less they can say they had no idea the grid-failure would happen. And it will happen. So I am going to do my best to give them a wake-up-call before Mother Nature gives them one. And I am going to point out the difference between “mismanagement” and “murder.”
Its funny, but politicians sit up and take notice when you even suggest a word like “murder” might appear on their record.
I was in College. I remember them worrying about Tangier Island and how the residents would get staples. But that was like my first winter in Virginia since I was 9, so I thought that was normal.
Kind of like the alarmist must think that winter was like.
Just the other day, several eastern power companies issued warnings/statements about possible shortages if things got too cold (there was one on Drudge, but I can’t remember the exact day…).
One of the things they are worried about around here, is there are still a lot of ‘temporary’ repairs from 2 yrs ago. The late June storm and Sandy both clobbered this state and most of the grid is pretty much just spliced back together. Didn’t help that there were a couple of good sized storms that took out a bunch of those temp repairs, this summer, In extreme cold, those temp repairs are possible fail points.
But I guess none of that really matters..either.
They just haven’t had the time or manpower to replace all the temp repairs with permanent ones, yet.
All of that has nothing to do with reduced capacity, but it’s just one more potential problem.
And something not related to the power grid but, rather the cold. The big chemical spill that shut off the water for over 300,000 people for a couple of weeks, here…weather related. The extreme cold caused ice to punch a hole in the tank…or that’s what was in the last report, as the most likely cause.
What bugs me is to close a power plant when you have no replacement.
Kind of like the Jews and their exodus. God provided manna from heaven for the jews. Liberals figure global warming will provide warmth. Especially when they adjust the numbers up – then people will be freezing to death in 60 degree weather.
In the liberal progressive mind “Facts” are only those pieces of information with which they agree and that is all they ever want to hear no matter what the contradictory evidence. That is until their leaders or money tell them to change their minds.
That’s true of the hard-core, true believer. But the rank and file jumps ship when it becomes personally difficult. It’s fun watching the die-hard, multi-generation Dems jump ship around here, over the whole war on coal thing. Even local union bosses are jumping ship.
Having dealt once with a UMW picket line I have no comment.
It’s the WV branch and only the last year or two…and it’s much more evident this time. Come November it’s going to be interesting here. They are really pissed…in the last month or so, over 1500 lay off notices have gone out, so yeah, they are pissed.
Caleb says: August 29, 2014 at 11:32 pm
What bugs me is to close a power plant when you have no replacement.
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Actually what you are seeing is a power play in action.
The Obama Admin were expecting that the plant closures would hit AFTER 2016 and like Clinton’s job export to China, get blamed on the Republican president that came afterwards.
This time that tried and true political move is backfiring.
This is the real I Gottcha!
What the politicians neglect to say is their plan for making this work is to install Smart Meters, an attractive opportunity for Investors This theoretically allows residential electricity to be turned off so the system can be balanced as wind and solar power surges and declines. Of course with renewables bankrupting, smart meters not installed and coal plants closing at three time the rate expected, this put a real big kink in that plan. OOPS, I guess the government miscalculated AGAIN so we are looking at rolling blackouts.
ERCOTdescribes how Smart Meters work:
People have caught on that Smart Meters mean their electric gets turned off at the whim of the electric company and some are refusing the ‘upgrade’
Yep, an on demand natural gas fueled diesel whole how generator is in my future. Not because I think that their going to put one of those meters on me soon but because it just makes sense for me where I live and being near the end of a line.
they are meant to be getting installed in the uk. there wont ever be one in my home. the first time anyone attempts to turn off the power to my home deliberately it will make the national newspapers.
make a point of finding out where the heads of the power companies in your local areas live, your politicians and any other senior civil servants. remember ,they work for YOU ,not the other way around . if push comes to shove in winter time,pay them a visit. i guarantee their power wont be turned off .
Being near the end of the line means that I am more subject to outages for any reason. This week it was a driver that lost it and took down a pole and had to be life lined. Lost it in the heat of the day and then that night when they replaced the pole. Bought this house in 2001 and I have never lived anywhere in the US where power outages have been so frequent as where I live now. If it’s not a transformer it’s guys clearing to tree branches from the lines. If iit’s not those reasons then it’s something else. Lost power for three days in the winter due to an ice storm. Lost it another time during a record rain.
I have a 10 hp Colman generator with which I can get by but the time is coming when I will be too friggen old to fool with it and the time when I hate the idea of having to deal with it is already here. So, for less than $4,000 I don’t have to worry about it.
Gee…sounds like my place, and I’m not at the end of the line.
We get a 5 to 10 minute outage about once a week, a longer than 10 minute about once a month and hour or more once about every three months, With a 12 hr or longer about 2x a year.
If it wasn’t for the pesky little restriction about needing to have the nat gas generator in the house (I have free gas, but the restrictions on it make so anything must be IN the dwelling), I’d have had one hooked up long ago.
Sounds like time to round up all those inner city folks and bus them to some place nice and WARM.
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130525005215/villains/images/thumb/c/c7/Evil_Grin.jpg/179px-Evil_Grin.webp
Jim Hunt says: @ August 28, 2014 at 8:03 pm
My apologies Fergal. I’ve been absent objecting to a proposed large scale solar PV “farm” in the vicinity.
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Well at least you are enough of a conservationist to protest bird fryers. I am glad to hear that.
I think you’re confusing solar PV with solar thermal Gail. We don’t get enough sunshine over here to be in danger of frying any birds!
Jim,
I actually do know the difference and I have no problem with solar power in niche markets. I love my solar powered fence charger and I think solar powered traffic lights and street lighting makes a lot of sense from a safety stand point (power outage from storms)
My remark was a bit of sarcasm based on the solar and wind they are are putting in here in the state of North Carolina and that I will have to pay for.
On the public front:
On the Private Front:
“North Carolina provides fantastic energy tax credits for solar energy, wind turbines, geothermal energy and energy efficiency. Save money and go green!”
To pay for this they hiked the qualification for ‘farmland’ from $1000 dollars sold to $10,000 sold so people like my elderly neighbor who runs an acre veggie garden and farm stand gets nailed with ‘House lot” taxes instead of ‘Farm land taxes” (It about triples the tax bill.)
The program:
All that money is going to come out of the pockets of someone and those someones are me and my neighbors.
Most solar street lights cost around $500 – $1000, have about a 15 yr life (no maintenance…supposedly, haven’t run one so I can’t say for sure how long they will actually last) and no additional power costs. A small town can cut a bunch off its power bill by using them.
Replacing a whole grid…not so much sense. Something like the streelights…if I were in a positiion to influence my town to do it, I’d be pushing for it.
PS…we’ve been using solar fence chargers for years. They’ll even keep pigs in place (and I’ve only had to replace the batteries once in the last 18 yrs…got about 10 yrs out of the first set. The second have only been in operation about 18 months…the chargers were in the garage in between then and now).
The big problem with solar and wind aside from cost is the electric grid instability.
25 August 2013 NATURE: US electrical grid on the edge of failure
Energy Revolution Hiccups: Grid Instability Has Industry Scrambling for Solutions
Sudden fluctuations in Germany’s power grid are causing major damage to a number of industrial companies. While many of them have responded by getting their own power generators and regulators to help minimize the risks, they warn that companies might be forced to leave if the government doesn’t deal with the issues fast.
AEPs CEO provided testimony to the US Senate earlier this year available here:
http://www.energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=366e6685-92f5-4878-a90f-253efa4495e8
He does a good job of pointing out the problems facing the industry. It is not just environmental issues but also poorly designed market structure.
Finally a long discussion pro and con about the cause of the rolling blackouts in TEXAS (This is the rolling blackout that _Jim denies ever happened BTW)
If the turbines were having problems in Texas I hate to think what type of problems they will have in NC where ice storms are rather common.
The ones across the ‘valley’ from me handled Sandy quite well…but there was the one little problem with all the outgoing lines being down, so while they could have been making juice, they were idled because they couldn’t send it anywhere.
“The big problem with solar and wind aside from cost is the electric grid instability.”
Agreed, in which case you will no doubt love my latest blog post on that very topic!
http://econnexus.org/ashcombe-solar-farm-deadline-extended/
In simple terms, most of the electricity grid in South West England is already “overloaded” by “intermittent” renewable energy generation.
He prefers bird sashimi.
Caleb, I have been calling it murder for a long time.