Climate Central just ran this piece, which the Washington Post picked up on. They claimed the US was “overwhelmingly hot” in 2016, and temperatures have risen 1,5°F since the 19th century.
The U.S. Has Been Overwhelmingly Hot This Year | Climate Central
The first problem with their analysis is that the US had very little hot weather in 2016. The percentage of hot days was below average, and ranked 80th since 1895. Only 4.4% of days were over 95°F, compared with the long term average of 4.9%. Climate Central is conflating mild temperatures with hot ones.
They also claim US temperatures rose 1.5°F since the 19th century, which is what NOAA shows.
Climate at a Glance | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)
The problem with the NOAA graph is that it is fake data. NOAA creates the warming trend by altering the data. The NOAA raw data shows no warming over the past century
The adjustments being made are almost exactly 1.5°F, which is the claimed warming in the article.
The adjustments correlate almost perfectly with atmospheric CO2. NOAA is adjusting the data to match global warming theory. This is known as PBEM (Policy Based Evidence Making.)
The hockey stick of adjustments since 1970 is due almost entirely to NOAA fabricating missing station data. In 2016, more than 42% of their monthly station data was missing, so they simply made it up. This is easy to identify because they mark fabricated temperatures with an “E” in their database.
When presented with my claims of fraud, NOAA typically tries to arm wave it away with these two complaints.
- They use gridded data and I am using un-gridded data.
- They “have to” adjust the data because of Time Of Observation Bias and station moves.
Both claims are easily debunked. The only effect that gridding has is to lower temperatures slightly. The trend of gridded data is almost identical to the trend of un-gridded data.
Time of Observation Bias (TOBS) is a real problem, but is very small. TOBS is based on the idea that if you reset a min/max thermometer too close to the afternoon maximum, you will double count warm temperatures (and vice-versa if thermometer is reset in the morning.) Their claim is that during the hot 1930’s most stations reset their thermometers in the afternoon.
This is easy to test by using only the stations which did not reset their thermometers in the afternoon during the 1930’s. The pattern is almost identical to that of all stations. No warming over the past century. Note that the graph below tends to show too much warming due to morning TOBS.
NOAA’s own documents show that the TOBS adjustment is small (0.3°F) and goes flat after 1990.
Gavin Schmidt at NASA explains very clearly why the US temperature record does not need to be adjusted.
You could throw out 50 percent of the station data or more, and you’d get basically the same answers.
One recent innovation is the set up of a climate reference network alongside the current stations so that they can look for potentially serious issues at the large scale – and they haven’t found any yet.
NASA – NASA Climatologist Gavin Schmidt Discusses the Surface Temperature Record
NOAA has always known that the US is not warming.
U.S. Data Since 1895 Fail To Show Warming Trend – NYTimes.com
All of the claims in the Climate Central article are bogus. The US is not warming and 2016 was not a hot year in the US. It was a very mild year.
The US is not warming and 2016 was not a hot year in the US. It was a very mild year.
But Tony, it was extreme mildness.
Steve, that is simple but effective humor right there. Thank you.
Nothing gets the Left more unhinged than laughing at them over their faux climate change, global warming, global cooling, micro-aggressions!
Obama cares more about his climate change cult than he does keeping Americans safe.
Obama hates Americans, the Constitution, and free market capitalism. He destroyed our economy with measures like the ACA and immigration amnesty. The “Affordable” Care Act has been nothing short of a disaster. My health insurance bill is up to $450/month. (Compare this to my $25/month auto insurance from Insurance Panda or my $10/month renters insurance… both private enterprise!)
His never-ending push to flood America with non-English speakers is motivated by his desire to see America become non-white majority, and therefore guarantee the left a permanent majority. His refusal to call Islamic terrorists Islamic terrorists is evidence that he secretly supports them. His total defiance of the constitution is proof that he wants to tear it up and write another constitution, based on the “values’ of black and brown people. And his hatred of capitalism is due to his Marxist upbringing, belief that such a system is “unfair”.
He should be in jail.
No, not really! If you think that it’s all caused by the left you need to go back and do better research. That’s the mistake most people make. that one side has all the answers.
This is old news from years ago. We know that.
Climate change/warming is just another tax scam, like U.S. government’s income tax scam.
Climate change is just another government tax scam to steal our money.
Check out Congressman McFadden’s 1934 Speech and see who actually was behind the Communist Revolution in Russia. (Do a find for Russia)
Then checkout Calloway’s addition to the 1917 Congressional record, and see what the Munitions factories and JP Morgan were up to.
Finally look at the current articles sabretoothed found. — “Obama sold record arms to the most racist nation on earth.” Actually Obama sold record arms period, including to Israel. Sort of puts a different spin on the UN resolution doesn’t it?
100 years and we are still Cannon Fodder and Wage Slaves for the Munitions factories and banks. SURPRISE!
Climate change and warming is just another tax scam, like US government’s income tax scam.
“Lower 48 States Just Experienced the Warmest Winter on Record” – The Weather Channel
The weather guys at The WEATHER CHANNEL must be in on the global conspiracy… LOL! LOL! LOL!
If is the left that politicized science , making it worthless. The NOAA is just more fake news from the government for the stupid to swallow
“If you think that it’s all caused by the left you need to go back and do better research.”
Exactly. BOTH major parties are owned via campaign donations and lobbying from most of the same special interests (banking, big pharma, insurance, medical sectors, etc.), they just have different VOTER constituencies, the suckers who vote for them believing THEY are being represented. On any topic which deals with the status quo flow of LARGE sums of taxpayer funds and new debt accrued on their tab they most certainly are NOT being represented. From the groundbreaking Princeton University study from 2014 which got virtually no coverage in the US:
Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
A great deal of empirical research speaks to the policy influence of one or another set of actors, but until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions against each other within a single statistical model. We report on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues.
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.
In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.
…the preferences of economic elites (as measured by our proxy, the preferences of “affluent” citizens) have far more independent impact upon policy change than the preferences of average citizens do. To be sure, this does not mean that ordinary citizens always lose out; they fairly often get the policies they favor, but only because those policies happen also to be preferred by the economically-elite citizens who wield the actual influence.
Vendickhead with his FAKE NOAA data again, giggling like a little girl,, because he/she/it knows that data is FAKE.
Real data shows a very different story
$450 a month for health care? Is that all? Try being a small business man – mine went from $600 to $2000 for a family of 5 in just 4 years.
Not only has Obama wrecked the economy with ACA via sheer cost, it creates an incentive to work for the man and abort small business opportunities.
Simply part of ‘their’ plan….
Going further off topic… My wife worked as a supervisor for a national retail chain. After ACA, they ordered ALL hourly employees hours cut to 26 or less as to not fall under the mandate. Previously, this company offered their own health insurance to hourly employees. After ACA, no insurance and most employees no longer made enough to support their families. The ACA absolutely wrecked this country!
You are full of baloney!!!! IF you had insurance for a family of 5 all you had was a high deductible plan. The insurance companies called it chump insurance. That insurance was year to year and the second you hit the deductible they would never have given you the same policy! You would have been denied insurance because of preexisting conditions. Like all insurance it is purchased for the worse case not the best. How much were you paying for your vehicle insurance per month. All combined what do you pay. This is to insure what a max liability for under $100,000 of care value. You never had a business and are lying.
Jimmy, I, too am a small businessman (I have 5 employees). My insurance (family of 4) increased EXACTLY the same.. In 2008, I was paying $625. In January, my premium will go to $2,035.
SOME S.O.B. is making a killing off of me – and I’m gonna return the favor when I figure out who!
Our health insurance has also gone up dramatically and for less coverage with a higher deductible.
John Katt, I already figured out who some of them are.
Recently I mentioned at a party how much our family’s insurance went up in the last 6 years. Several local leftists—one of whom I think lives on the late parents’ money tucked safely away—reported proudly that their insurance went down.
I know whose premiums I’m paying.
Do you realize that the Affordable Care Act is NOT insurance, and the only reason premiums are going up is because private insurers are raising their prices? They did it before the ACA and they will do it after the ACA. The ONLY way to lower premium prices and insure everyone is through SINGLE-PAYER NON-PROFIT INSURANCE, such as Medicare For All. If you repeal the ACA, you go back to what we had.
The GOP is a death panel!
Cascadian-screw you commie. Do you realize they have to bump their prices because of the ACA make it unprofitable otherwise? I have worked for the federal government for 15 years I’ll be damned if I’ll let them make my medical choices. It will be fight of flight before I accept single payer.
I have said this from the onset of ACA. It absolutely stifles growth of small business who are not able to provide health care to their employees nor can they afford it themselves.
Insurance premiums are directly related to the number of payers in the pool. The ACA actually reduced costs per patient treatment, by bringing millions more into the paying pool. Insurance companies fought tooth and nail, not to relinquish control, so the ACA is what we got.
Take those people out of the pool, and what the insurance companies call, “the death spiral”, of less people paying and only really sick people using and the market becomes unviable for them. If you’re rich, you’ll survive but most Americans won’t. My wife is a surgeon, we can’t afford to live here either.
The US is the only country where healthcare is a business, that’s one big reason why it’s the most expensive system in the world, but is ranked 21st overall in terms of services supplied.
Small businesses thrive in countries where they don’t have to deal with it.
Lower 48 States Just Experienced the Warmest Winter on Record.
Last year…El Nino and positive AMO
Insurance premiums reflect costs. Period. The cost driver is claims costs. Period. High provider comp. High cost drugs. High cost treatments and more of them. Our socialized systems – almost half our costs to cover 30% of our population – cost more than most social systems for 100% of their populations. That’s US social systems, not insurance. Look at the OECD Data for all you deniers. The problem is not insurance, it’s provider costs. Period.
“Single payer” means the gov’t has the healthcare monopoly (the “single payer” is the government, see?)
Any time one entity has a monopoly, prices rise.
Why? Because there’s NO COMPETITION!
Competition is the only reliable way to keep a lid on prices.
No wonder our healthcare premiums (yes, mine too) have been skyrocketing: the government holds the monopoly, as the “single payer”.
‘Single payer’ is a scam on the public. Instead, we need to have insurers compete for our healthcare dollars.
Because as usual, the government screws up anything it touches. Why would heathcare be any different?
VenDick is usnig FAKE DATA.
REAL DATA shows winter 2015/6 was NOT overly warm.
Feeling your pain. $450/month to $1500/month for family of 4, with a family deductible of $10 K.
For me, not being a business, it’s all after tax. TEAR IT DOWN!!! People don’t understand.
cascadian12, you do not know what single payer looks like up close. I suppose you are used to booking a surgery and if you have to wait 3 weeks you feel hard done by. In Canada, a friend of mine had to wait 13 months before getting cataract surgery. For the last 3 months the guy shouldn’t have been driving to work but he had no choice. Waiting lists are the way healthcare is rationed under Single Payer health insurance.
I see ROBERT thinks doctors, nurses and orderlies should all donate their work since he doesn’t think health care should be a business. Every healer from every previous age operated as a business, charging for his services. How else could it be?
“The US is the only country where healthcare is a business …”
How is it possible to have a surgeon for a wife and be so completely ignorant about the healthcare systems in other countries?
Anyone with at least a rudimentary knowledge knows that even in countries with government healthcare there is a private sector medicine.
At this point I’m not sure I believe you have a wife …
Is it really that hard to tell that you are all responding to a PANDA INSURANCE SPAMMER!! There must be a couple of dozen replies to that SPAM message. Stop encouraging these deceptive low life spammers.
$450 per month times 5 people equals $2250 take into account the younger age of some of the 5 people and you are paying a similar outrageous rate.
Before ACA my families (2 adult 2 child) Blue Cross $5600 deductible 100% after that HSA policy was $563 per month. That same policy for 2017 is $2429 per month
Vendickhead’s FAKE NOAA data yet again
All he has is FAKE DATA.
You should feel good about your health premiums! I mean your deducts may be $4,000 but the guy down the street, who doesn’t work and smokes 3 packs a day can now access healthcare for free with now deduct and no premium 24/7. Check your privilege and get back to work!
Single payer is not insurance either, it’s law. That’s the problem the government should not be involved.
You want to really piss them off. Tell them the Democratic party’s current political agenda is a lot closer to Lee Harvey Oswald’s than president Kennedy’s.
Lee Oswald’s political agenda is not available for your opinion.
Actually, Oswald never fired a shot at anyone.
Elizabethclark, your excellent comments are so well thought out that I am saving them. Great information!!!
Lower 48 States Just Experienced the Warmest Winter on Record.
Last year….El Nino and positive AMO
Vendicar, slow down, you missed a few posts where you could have posted this again.
Did you not even read the article??
VenDick is using FAKE DATA to LIE.. as is his meme.
REAL DATA shows winter 2015/6 was NOT overly warm
Vending Cart de Carrion prides herself on never reading the articles.
It is also a completely rational thing to do.
Would you read the articles if your objective was to post as many unrelated alarmist comments as possible?
Bravo Ms. Clark !!! Hope you don’t mind but I thought I’d add this ti your post. Who but a Liberal would be proud of lying …. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/climate-change-expert-sentenced-32-months-fraud-says-lying-was-f2D11768995
4000 years of no correlation between CO2 and temps:
“4000 years of no correlation between CO2 and temps:” – Brian G
Your graphic shows 4 billion years, moron, not 4 thousand.
Here is a scatter plot showing the correlation between CO2 an temperature over the last 4,000 years.
“4000 years of no correlation between CO2 and temps:” – Brian G
Your graphic shows 4 billion years, moron, not 4 thousand.
Here is a scatter plot showing the correlation between CO2 an temperature over the last 4,000 years.
Now that’s really interesting Vendicar.
Exactly how did they figure out an anomaly 4000 years ago?
Vendick is saying the RWP and MWP and the even warmer 1000 years before that, had high CO2
How did that happen VenDick , you twerp. .
Either that or his graph is yet another total fabrication.
You called someone else a “moron”??
Here is a chart showing global CO2 and tempewratures over the past 740,000 years:
Notice that ∆CO2 FOLLOWS temperature changes — which destroys the “carbon” scare.
Sorry ’bout that. But the climate alarmist side was flat wrong. So, to quote you:
‘Hahahahahahahahahah’, and ‘LOL! LOL!’
Why does VenDick always giggle inanely like a little girl ?
Does he/she/it really think itself funny, rather than just clownishly stupid ?
Vendicar, being the clod he is,failed to notice that Dr. Valentine’s link make clear that CO2 trends for most of past history shown to be far off from temperature trends:
“During the latter part of the Carboniferous, the Permian and the first half of the Triassic period, 250-320 million years ago, carbon dioxide concentration was half what it is today but the temperature was 10ºC higher than today . Oxygen in the atmosphere fluctuated from 15 to 35% during this period
From the Cretaceous to the Eocene 35 to 100 million years ago, a high temperature went with declining carbon dioxide.:
You also failed to know of many published papers that show a clear CO2 trend change following Temperature trend changes.
You are ignorant fella.
Spot on/well said
The very best synopsis of the Obama attack on America. Synthesized my views exactly.
Thanks to Steve for revealing the truth about the “hottest year ever” craziness based upon fraudulent data and to elizabethclark for putting the whole Obama/Left project into sharp perspective.
Don’t put the freak in jail, send him back to Satan.
Peddling Climate Crises is millennia old shakedown: Shamans demand villagers bring sacrifices to Temple, then, when cyclical catastrophe (earthquake, drought, flood, pestilence) happens anyway, Kahunas shout: “Insufficient Sacrifice, bring us more!”
Any anomaly in the weather is used as a divine sign of coming catastrophe requiring prevention by, yet again, more sacrifices.
So ancient to incite fear, claim divine power to intervene, demand goats and gold to prevent, then castigate for too few sacrifices…
In a similar loop of Shakedown-Crises-Racemongering-Shakedown-Crises ad infinitum, ex-Pres Yomama will shakedown business to “prevent” looting and riots by his “oppressed people” even as he incites them to riot and loot.
Until he’s sent back to Satan.
Which black people will do if they achieve opportunity and prosperity in a 4% GDP Trump Economy.
You know close to nothing about the economies issues
“the economies issues”
And you know next to nothing about plural versus possessive. You were searching for, “the economy’s issues.”
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Once you accept that Obama is not on the side of Western Civilization, everything he does makes perfect sense.
His support for Islam is not so secret……he facilitated sIran’s pursuit of a bomb…he crippled US oil exploration and the Canadian pipeline to keep the oil flowing from corrupt Islamic sources…he threw Israel under the UN bus not to mention bowing down before Saudi ‘princes’…….he called the Fort Hood terrorism shooting ‘workplace violence’ even as that major shouted Allah Akbhar….the list is endless…….Obama is the worst POTUS in history.
He was not for US
Very well said. TREASON: The crime of trying to overthrow your country’s government or of helping your country’s enemies during war.
Why does this comment look so much like dozens of others inserted into articles to push Panda insurance?
Libs got duped, heck they tried to dupe everyone and found out Americans are not just a bunch of idiots… anymore. There’s a mass awakening to the corruption and tactics of the DNC. I predict the party will no longer exist after 4 years.
Ha, they barely exist now.
They cleared a whopping 57 of 3140 or so counties and hold about 4 State legislatures.
Lacking the big noise by the Leftstream Media they’re a minor party akin to the Libertarians.
You don’t need to be leftist to at least consider the hypothesis that 97% of the climate scientists might be onto something. The claims of this article can be easily debunked by anyone with minimal education about the subject. The website:
Debunks each and every one of the arguments posted above, with links to scientific papers backing up the answers.
You also don’t need to be a leftist to believe that people deserve respect regardless of their skin color, respect that you clearly don’t have when you mock them and put them in an inferior position. Well, I got news for you, people are equal before the law, and that’s the principle that made the USA a great nation.
It’s not your perceived superiority of white people that made the nation great. Creating an environment where people can thrive by their own actions and accomplishments, regardless of their ethinicity and origin, that was the recipe for success.
SkS is nothing but propaganda pap for the weak minded.
And you fall for it.
The Luke sockpuppet points to a legacy looter ideologue website with no comparisons of thermometer versus satellite graphs. Climate scientists they define in terms of paychecks signed by politicians. The unmentioned Petition Project signers, on the other hand, all have science degrees from real universities. Rudy’s science is cogent even if he is overly impressed by one of the entrenched Kleptocracy parties.
“You don’t need to be leftist to at least consider the hypothesis that 97% of the climate scientists ”
But you need to be a low info leftist to continue citing the whole 97% lie and thinking you’ve magically debunked every counter point to the globull warmist lies. You’ve debunked nothing.
In libtard land, debunking means some cretin claims, “nu uhhhh” or “oh that website”.
“…at least consider the hypothesis that 97% of the climate scientists might be onto something….”
The 97% is a FRAUD. After the first ‘study’ was knocked down they came up with a second which was even more of a FRAUD.
An oopsie in the Doran/Zimmerman 97% consensus claim
10,257 Earth Scientists were surveyed.
3146 Earth Scientists responded.
The answer was not what was wanted so all but 79 of the respondents were excluded. Of these 79 specially chosen” 96.2% (76 of 79) answered “risen” to question 1 and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2.”
The 97% Cook Consensus – when will Environ Res Letters retract it? — Misrepresented, Miscalculated, Misleading
This study is SOOOOoo bad there have been tons of articles by scientists and mathematicians tearing it apart.
Utter rubbish. When government grant money which funds an enormous amount of academia conflated with a policy to greatly increase tax and control the leverage to toe the party line goes right to the jugular. There are Nobel prize winners and top scientists who totally disagree with the Climatechange agenda. They are not getting funding from the government to pursue this line of inquiry. Their opinions are not bought and paid for.
How about going to “Snopes”…..to find out if warming is true…………….Bawahahahahahaha. You lefty’s are so stupid a gullible
I don’t know how to rationally address Tony’s post,thus employ the misdirection to a propaganda site,that doesn’t address Tony’s post either.
Tony uses base data to back his claims. You Luke have NOTHING to counter with since you didn’t even try.
I have seen that list before,read them come away unimpressed and angry, since they use a lot of misleading half answers in the answer column.
Meanwhile the IPCC using the AGW conjecture since 1990 have consistently predicted,then projected at least a .3 C PER DECADE warming rate,while the Satellite data show a rate about 60% less per decade rate,which is around .13C.
ALL warming events since 1979 have happened when El-Nino shows up,otherwise no warming.
There are many more contrary evidence that gets omitted by unskepticalscience,since it is a propaganda site.
Watch this You Tube Video & then memorize this quote from Malcolm Shykles (a retired Research Chemist)…”There is no such thing as a greenhouse gas because no gas can store energy (heat).”
All the supporting studies are government supported entities, repeating the Dogma they are paid to support. More liar, damn liars and statisticians coming to the aide of the party, all in the name of big, overpowering government.
It is not a perception that white peple made a great nation, they did. Whites make no claim of superiority. It is those who can not, will not, or are incapable of duplicating our great experiment in their own contries that make that claim. Let us not forget that ONLY white people, mainly white western European Christian civalization ended slavery, a concept that existed everywhere from the dawn of time. No one else did. There is a big difference between saying let my people go and let those people go. Only whites said the later. So they come here, uninvited.. Not to be part of the great experiment but to leach off of the bounty that we built, stealing from those who did the hard work. Blame and shame, this is the con and a path to mutual failure
Yes you are correct in your statement “Creating an environment where people can thrive by their own actions and accomplishments, regardless of their ethinicity and origin, that was the recipe for success.” And it still is, if and only if, you thrive by your own actions and accomplishments, not welfare, quotas, and a large glass of big government to wash it all down. Historical evidence and reason show the truth. Work, works, crying, pleading, blaming and shaming for a hand out doesn’t, not for long. In the end all fail, when to many think they are owed more than the opportunity and freedom to work. To ply your trade in a manner YOU see fit, to those that find a need for their product, that is freedom.
If it’s welfare you want, go home. You allowed your country to steal your freedom and you would allow the same here. We need believers of freedom, not welfare. Don’t bring your sorrid ways here, shed your forgien skin, never to put it on again. Become a part of us, learn our language, our history and share our future. Or, build a your country into one you can be proud of. The white people did it, it’s no secret, we showed you the way. Rule of law, individual rights, private property, separation of church and state, women’s rights and small government responsible to the citizenry. Just don’t con us, most of us are wise to it by now. Only the evidence denying liberals believe differently and all they want is your vote, truth and freedom are not one of their principles.
“The greatest good you can do for another is not just to share your riches but to reveal to him his own.” — Benjamin Disraeli
“The future ain’t what it used to be” — Yogi Berra
Clearly people are not equal before the law — people have gone to jail in the last couple of years for lesser security violations than Hillary’s unofficial, unsecured, private server. People go to jail for perjury and obstruction of justice, but not Slick Willy. I suspect most people would not get away with selling access to the Secretary of State, but Hillary did. I don’t want to live in a banana republic where I have to stop and pay a cop a bribe every few miles as I drive down the road, but that’s the direction we’re headed unless we start holding crooked politicians and bureaucrats accountable for their amoral behavior.
AndiG55 – LOL!
Lower 48 States Just Experienced the Warmest Winter on Record
Poor Andy. He ain’t the brightest rock in the sack.
And INCREASING NH snow….
It is SNOW and mild summers that lead to glaciation. To get that you need the ‘Polar Vortex’ sucking warm moist air up to the north where it mixes with Arctic air drawn south and causes blizzards dumping records snows. (Like we saw in Italy)
Poor GULLIBLE VenDickhead
Only has the massively adjusted FARCE that is NOAA to rely on.
REALITY would make around the 1940’s warmer.
But Ven Dick has to DENY reality.
And of course we KNOW Ven Dick is lying, because we can look at REAL in-fabricatred data
Winters in the USA 48 have a COOLING trend since the 1998 El Nino. And 2015/16 winter was cooler than either 1998/99 or 1999/2000 Winters.
REAL DATA (as oppose to NOAA crap) always shows these LYING scumbags to be WRONG
We could also look at DJF for RSS ContUSA.
REAL DATA again, Ven Dick !!
Vendick YET AGAIN is shown to use FAKE DATA to show FAKE RESULTS.
Luke Stevens So you still believe that 97% canard and you claim what is said in the article is easily debunked and then link to that cartoonists site skepticalscience. What a prat.
Consensus doesn’t define scientific validity, evidence does.
This was established back in the day of Galileo Galilae.
Are you a total imbecile?
“You don’t need to be leftist to at least consider the hypothesis that 97% of the climate scientists might be onto something”
You need to be a leftist or stupid (is that redundant) to believe that “climate scientists” are anything but religious zealots. They neither believe in nor follow the scientific method, have been caught effectively fabricating data on numerous occasions, make predictions utilizing models that have been shown to be COMPLETELY bogus for two decades, and have made raw data unavailable at times.
“The claims of this article can be easily debunked by anyone with minimal education about the subject.”
Then debunk them. Your link does not provide the information you claim it does. Provide your references and argumentation, I will be happy to throw some more egg on your face as you make a fool of yourself.
“You also don’t need to be a leftist to believe that people deserve respect regardless of their skin color, respect that you clearly don’t have when you mock them and put them in an inferior position.”
Only a leftist is so absurd as to bring a complete non sequitur into a discussion on climate. Keep your silly, facile, paternalistic politics to yourself.
“Well, I got news for you, people are equal before the law, and that’s the principle that made the USA a great nation. ”
No and yes. Women and minorities are superior in the eyes of the law (depending on circumstance) in the United States. Although equal protection of the law is a cornerstone of American values.
“It’s not your perceived superiority of white people that made the nation great.”
Again, zealot. Where does this article address the superiority of white people. I will point out however that given what I noted above (the legal discrimination against white males), in conjunction with the fact that white males still out earn and out perform most (or all depending upon how you run your comparison) other groups, I would say that “perception” has nothing to do with said superiority.
Roger all of that. Nicely articulated.
You’re absolutely right in all respects. And his Iran nuclear deal was nothing short of “aiding and abetting the enemy,” which is treason.
There are so many horrible things he’s done to damage America, and it would be hard to pick the worst. But I’m especially troubled by how he sent Eric Holder down to Ferguson to stoke the flames of anger after the thug Michael Brown was shot. Holder told a group of black citizens that he recalled being “stopped and accused of speeding” as a young man and how “angry and humiliated” it made him feel. Later, after Brown’s homie recanted his testimony about Brown having his “hands up,” and after forensic evidence proved that Brown had tried to steal Officer Wilson’s gun, and after the DOJ could not find enough evidence to charge Officer Wilson with a civil rights violation, Holder did not go BACK to Ferguson to debunk the myth of Brown’s innocence. Thus, “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” was a rallying cry based on a lie, and to seek revenge, black people murdered police officers in numerous incidents; most notably in Dallas where 5 officers were gunned down in one bloody night. OBAMA AND HOLDER HAVE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.
I’m a black man and I couldn’t agree with you more…Obama hates America…But I love America…
Rot in hell B.H.O.
I appreciate anyone who doesn’t let identity politics dictate his opinions, and I’m inclined to agree that Obama doesn’t really like America. It’s a shame that the first black President wasn’t a man like Thomas Sowell, or Walter Williams, or Ambassador Keyes, or Larry Elder, or any of a number of solid black conservative patriots. I want him out of the White House, and I hate the damage he’s done while he’s been there, but I have no desire for him or anyone else to rot in hell. I hope he sees the light before it’s too late, and I also hope he will be entirely ineffectual as he spends his post-presidency time attempting to foil and foul Trump’s efforts to make America great again.
Appreciated Bob, All most of us care about is that you are an AMERICAN.
It’s not a climate change cult. It’s a cult devoted to progressive power. The climate change lie is only one means to their end.
Also used as means: multiculturalism, open borders, LGBTQWERTY, racial strife….
LOL, Before you know it, LGBTQWERTY will turn into LGBTQWERTYUIOP.
But maybe that identity-conscious group is already into the entire keyboard/alphabet, because I’ve heard that there are now 71 possible “gender identities” to choose from on Facebook.
Have you noticed that the Polar Ice Caps are melting?
Arctic sea ice is within 0.12 Wadhams of the previous short term low. Basically immeasurable. And will probably be up with the rest of the winter spaghetti in the next week or so.
As usual, Ven Dick has NOTHING.
It is also MASSIVELY higher than during the first 3/4 of the Holocene, where there was often ZERO summer sea ice.
IGNORANCE of real history is the only thing the AGW scam is built on.
Explain why you always cherry-pick the Arctic.
The Antarctic contains 10X more ice than the Arctic. Is that why you never mention the Antarctic?
Also, Antarctic ice is increasing. Is that why you cherry-picked only the Arctic? (For those who are interested in what’s happening, do a search for the ‘polar see-saw’).
Keep digging the hole you’re in, Vendicar. You’re getting buried here.
The reason Obama clings to his Global Warming ReligiouScience is that the primary UN solution IS Marxist…the solution to every crisis concocted by the UN is the same, steal wealth from US citizens and hand it to third world dictators for redistribution to their people. The third world dictators get rich, their people and our American taxpayers continue to suffer. Nothing gets fixed, because “we haven’t spent enough” on the problem requiring them to steal more and more of our wealth to continue addressing the “crisis”. It’s a vicious Marxist cycle.
Have you noticed that global temperatures are rising?
Rick, don’t insult Vending Cart’s Marxism. That really pisses her off.
GISS has been shown many times to be FAKE DATA..
But its all you have isn’t it Vendick.
You also fail to tell everyone that 1979 was a year of EXTREME Arctic sea ice, up there with the tail end of the LIA.
Thank goodness it is recovering towards the Holocene average, which is much lower than current
Arctic sea ice is still anomalously HIGH for the Holocene, except the LIA, which was the COLDEST period in the last 10,000 years.
Again we have LOW-END climate scammers IGNORING the real history of the Holocene, and IGNORING the fact that we are actually only a small, but highly beneficial dump out of the deep freeze of the Little Ice Age.
I strongly suggest that if these scummers don’t like the slight warming we have thankfully had, then they should move to Siberia..
But you won’t will you scummer Ven, because you a LIAR even to yourself.
REAL DATA shown no warming before the 1998 El Nino….
And REAL DATA shows no warming between the final effects of the 1998 El Nino and the start of the 2015 El Nino.
This chart is based on NASA/GISS data:
Go argue with NASA if you don’t like their data.
Vendicar, shows his profound ignorance since GISS has over 15 years time,erased the obvious 1940-1980 cooling trend.
He might be a 15 year old kid, who never lived through the 1960-1970’s, when cooling was all over the news of the time.
Being stupidly ignorant is not an excuse.
“Being stupidly ignorant is not an excuse.”
But its the only excuse he has.
And he has zero intent to fix it.
Sorry.. correction needed
he/she/it has zero intent to fix it.
he/she/it is actually proud of its wilfully ignorant stupidity
It is not about infesting with non whites, it is everything about infesting with non christians, especially Islamics who are the guard dogs of atheist Marxists like Obama and his pig Kerry.
you are so right.
“Nothing gets the Left more unhinged than laughing at them over their faux climate change, global warming, global cooling, micro-aggressions!”
You are SO right on. Early on I ‘had’ some friends who were liberal and drank the coolaid by the gallons. I still remember the day we just happened to be conversing and the topic veered towards ‘global warming’. Immediately I was to be scolded and “we are not going to talk about global warming, because it will only cause an argument.” I was told. We don’t see each other anymore, but I wish we would have had that argument.
I wonder now how the “False NOAA Data” squares against the newly passed “Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act”
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You need a high platform to shout your post so that even those deaf scientific elites can hear you.
I’m on the right side of things and believe this agenda is total BS entirely but I’ve seen your post on a number of site commentaries stating verbatim word for word what you’re saying here ElizabethClark. The problem is you’re copy/pasting this everywhere which in my mind makes it somewhat less convincing and more repetition and of course less credible. More like a propaganda robot. I’m not meaning to be a jerk but mix it up a little…
It’s about time the global warming fake news has been recognized for what it is.
Yeah, it’s all fake, Jesus told me so!
Elizabeth, you are right on! I agree 100%.
You need to run for office my friend.
“Lower 48 States Just Experienced the Warmest Winter on Record” – The Weather Channel
The weather guys at The WEATHER CHANNEL must be in on the global conspiracy… LOL! LOL!
NOAA data is fake data, so obviously the data for Vendickhead to use.
That is the whole point of the thread, but VD carries on the FAKE DATA, ignoring the point.
I wonder if he realizes that was last year….
Vending Cart de Carrion!
I was hoping you’d make an appearance and put a foot in your mouth. You never disappoint.
REAL DATA shows that the NOAA data is a total FARCE.
DJF 2015/16 was NOT overly warm.
Vendicar uses highly adjusted temperature data sources,such as GISS and NOAA,while totally ignores the superior Satellite data that shows a very different picture.
That is the way of Warmists,use discredited data because it is all they have left to use to maintain their delusion.
You don’t remember the guy that quit the Weather Channel over his distaste for that outlet’s penchant for using manipulated data?
why are blacks and browns always assumed to be liberal, socialist, etc now and into the future ?
Excellent post! Lying must be part of liberals DNA!
The moto of Progressives : “The ends justify the means.” – Niccolò Machiavelli.
But, but, but the Iran deal and combating global warming were just named (http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-kerry-diplomatic-legacy-20161222-story.html) as John Kerry’s two real accomplishments. We know the Iran arrangement is a nightmare and now it sounds like you’re threatening his last chance at a legacy.
What else would one expect of a Saul Alinsky, Frank Marshall Davis, Cloward & Piven, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers loving, America hating, Marxist community organizer….what? As Obama set about destroying our country anyone who protested were immediately dubbed “racists!” When the haters on the left do of course they are patriots exercising their constitutional rights. Give me a break. “The Divider in Chief” will make every attempt to degrade our once great country with his radical ideology enlisting the corrupt media, Hollywood, the internet and any tool he can use to corrupt hearts and minds in the name of fairness. The left never sleeps.
Fantastic Post and replies…I can read, but can not write as well I used to…I am 65 and am hoping the USA recovers from the the last 8 years in my lifetime…I Pray for that every day.
What the left does not realize… YET! is that when all these factors come in play, their lifestyle will be rather miserable. They will yearn for the free market, lots of choices , many opportunities that capitalism provides.
As I a told a liberal at my gym…. 95-97% of everything he owns and uses was created by a capitalist! Even the public roads, material, equipment , contractors etc.
He is a commie because he was raised by, I believe his real Dad – George the commie in HI.
Seems true corporate internationalism does seem to rule the planet if so profit is the game . Science is no exception to the corrupt data being put forth.
Too bad but true.
Obama has skewed every report coming from the WH from ISIS to the weather. His legacy will be housed in an outhouse on southside Chicago.
From day one in 2009, he has lied constantly, but then he is a muslim & practices “Taqiyya” as described below.
Taqiyya ― Islamic Principle of Lying for the Sake of Allah
The word “taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one’s beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies.
In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralizing any criticism of Islam or Muslims.
Falsehoods told to prevent the denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur’an and Sunna, including lying under oath in testimony before a court, deceiving by making distorted statements to the media such as the claim that Islam is a “religion of peace”.
A Muslim is even permitted to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam, so long as he remains faithful to Islam in his heart.
This is why Obama is fraudulently in office and why he lies constantly.
Trust a muslim as you would a rabid dog.
And this is why Obama lies with total disregard for the American people and their safety as he builds a muslim caliphate here in the United States and provides Iran with nuclear weapons.
And don’t forget in addition to Taqiyya there is Kitman. If Taqiyya is lies of commission, then you could consider Kitman to be lies by omission.
Not a color issue, color is incidental. Honduras rejected Chavez style “soft coup” in 2009, and Hillary’s personal demand to the interim president to resign and let the piti-Chavez back in power, including a hint of a bribe.
Warming is political “science”, so is Keynes Ian economics.
I tend to get a little angry and all the blame attributed to Obama. Not that I like him mind you but over the years I saw him as a hardly educated man, no professor knew him or students for that matter. I mean he told of his campaigning in 57 states with one to go. Now really who that spent all that claimed time in the United States and doesnt know how many states there are.
Now he is a drug, smoking do nothing most of his tens and later life. Most of the positions he held were created for him and much money and people were used to create this image and that is all it was an image. Did you see the picture of him in the White house smoking a cigarette in his underwear?
He lacks speaking skills and finds it near impossible to give one without a teleprompter. Should that device fail he stumbles around like a kid lost in a closet. Also i doubt very much he reads nay of the bills he signs nor does he know or can explain any of them. He is a puppet he tells of what he is going to do, has done, following orders of course and goes on vacation.
I doubt he could answer 3 questions on Obamacare.
This is a man of no substance and he is a wreck in as much as he is showing signs of coming apart and believes he could have beat Trump had he been alowed to run.
He is responsible for not standing up to his Controllers and doing their bidding but that is all he has failed to do. These are not his ideas or doing they are the Banksters, Soros. CFR, CIA, Committee of 300. and so on. He is too dumb to be behind anything.
Great answer!!love your response.
Better and more appropriate that he be burned at the stake. The simple truth is that The Great Global Warming, Global Cooling, and now Climate Change Scam is simply the latest iteration of Marxism, that fondest dream of all the statists among us whose fondest desire is to have us all marching lockstop to their cadence. Marxism has so totally failed and been so utterly discredited that its only remaining adherents can be found on college campuses indoctrinating our empty-headed youths who lack the intellect to take courses in the hard sciences, medicine, or engineering, or better yet, learning a skilled trade. In truth, so-called higher education in the US is now the foremost criminal enterprise in this nation, annually swindling millions of students and their hapless parents out of trillions. annually
Hopefully, Donald Trump will be able to correct the many
missteps made by muslimsymp Obama.
Defunding the UN will only serve to further isolate the United States, but making ALL nations pay their fair share of the monetary cost of supporting this world forum would seem to be indicated. Oops! Does that sound like “Pay to play”?
Ah, Elizabeth, I wish that Obama were so innocent. He is actually a mask for the international banking and mega-corp cabal which wishes to destroy all nationstates to create their global oligarchy.
The global warming hoax is to give the oligarchs now power over development everywhere, thru control of energy.
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Outstanding remarks! Could not have said it better!!
Democrats are disgraceful. As much as Obama the muslim, and Kerry the stolen valor swift boat coward have tried to destroy America, the real Americans have taken the country back. Buh bye you snowflake queers, we’re draining the swamp and undoing all the America harming orders that you imposed. Democrats have no power, and never will again. They can all go to Arabia and bow to the muslim king as the worst president in history taught them. Boy do democrats hate Jews.
Interestingly, Jews are overwhelming Democrats.
Yes, yes, self-hating liberal Jews who actually support moose limbs and also suffer from phony white privilege guilt.
That is because Jews hate other Jews most of all!
Doesn’t change the facts that libs hate jews and love muslims AND gays, two polar opposites. They HATE anything that is decent and LOVE depravity. And look where it has gotten this country…the shape it is in is DEPLORABLE because of democrats. And democrat Jews are obviously idiots, just like democrat blacks. None of them even realize what rubes they are to the democratic party.
The Libertarian Party has attracted relatively few folks who self describe as Jewish, which is still better than the population, and our largest contingent, 42%, aren’t into mysticism. But comparing the GOP platform with the NSDAP’s 25 Points, one is struck by the many similarities. That–and the Nuremberg trials on Truman’s watch–might explain some aversion to God’s Own Prohibitionists.
Running roughshod over them, are they?
Good point, succinctly made.
HUSSEIN OBOWEL HATES JEWS CHRISTIANS AND WHITE PEOPLE HE IS A SICK SICK TWISTED LITTLE MAN
Record temperatures an all parts of the US, in Dec. China has had the coldest winter in 150 years. Japan broke a 24 hour snowfall record. South Africa has had the coldest on record. Perth Australia broke numerous cold records.And of course who can forget the Nov.2016 ice age winter in Europe. Snow in July?
Don’t worry about China, their working on that cold winter thing.
They have permits to build a 1 Gigawatt coal fired plant every week through 2020…that’s right, 1 Gigawatt!
Anything less than 1.21 gigawatts is a waste.
Cathy, Don’t forget too, that the ice sheet covering Antarctica set all time records in 2014.
“Record temperatures in all parts of the US,…
how can that be? I didn’t see that on TV
Think how cold it would be without all this Global Warming.
So much for global warming?
The government must act and save us from this new threat of “extreme mildness”. Who knows what destruction of environmental upheaval it may cause?
Are you “mildly” worried or extremely mildly worried?? Oh. Wait. Could it be you are mildly extremely worried? How will we survive this???
By the time we get the terminology figured out it will be over with. Whatever it is.
Thanks for the reply.
Yes, “Extreme” mildness and it’s been getting “Extremely”
milder for much of the United States since the 19th century:
And that’s from NOAA’s “Adjusted” data.
Turns out I’m not first:
How many Leftist media born fears could be resolved if the UN was housed in the middle east and it’s representatives had a self interest, focused in dealing with what is real?
Crowd funding or petitions anyone?
Send them to a not so safe space, to test their efficacy and expertise.
I’m worried about extreme mildness.
The extreme mildness has necessitated additional safe spaces at my workplace. Something must be done or we’re all going to die.
Bad new, we’re all going to die anyway.
Are you sure that isn’t good news?
That’s good news
NOAA’s working on a method to fudge those numbers too, but so far it’s still 100% certain we are all going to die.
“Bad new, we’re all going to die anyway.”
within 6 months of your birthday
Man-made global extreme mildness.
Anthropogenic Global Extreme Mildness.
Global Intense Mildness (caused by) People.
GIMP for short.
You should be…it’s unprecedented.
Anthropogenic Global Extreme Mildness
Nice ring to it!
Sort of like political extreme moderate.
Very worrisome… if one is a snowflake.
I too am worried about extreme baldness, oh wait that’s something different, my bad
Are you “mildly” worried or extremely mildly worried?? Oh. Wait. Could it be you are mildly extremely worried? How will we survive this???
This seems to be an all purpose reply. It works with worries about climate and it also works with worries about hair loss. Mild…or extreme.
Guys, it’s not “extreme” mildness. It’s GLOBAL mildness.
Global warming is another way to separate money from white people so they have to spend more on energy. * more years of Obummer and we would all be in soup lines waiting for robots to dish it out and the govt to send us our monthly welfare check.
Just part of hope and change. Get with the drill.
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Cant tax a sun spot, can we…
Global warming -a HOAX- to get monies for hypocrites- like GORE etc-
Whats next-OXYGEN REDUCTION CRISIS.
Follow the money not polar bears
In 2000 when Creepy Al Gore filed his papers with the Presidential committee, he had to disclose his financials and his net worth at the time, including his home, was $700,000. Well, Al has done pretty well for himself. With the Climate Reality Project, he is now worth $172,000,000. What a hypocritical bunch of sycophants these democRATS these people are !!!
Yes, we need to keep our eye on Global Mildness.
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That’s the new bogyman – Climate Change (formally Global Warming) has a new image we must fight against, “Extreme Mildness”.
Extreme mildness. I would say that is funny and clever with just the right hint of sarcasm/snarkiness.
Sadly others will find it a rallying cry to the side of controlling everything to control global warming, er, mildness.
I don’t have any real facts on the rest of the U.S, but in Orange CA, last summer we reached over 100 F several times. 106 is HOT. Since we moved to Orange in 1991, the temperature has never exceeded 99 degrees until now. I’m just talking about where I live in orange.
California was 134 degrees in 1913.
That’s good enough for me, where do I register to become a Democrat?
At the nearest welfare office. They have keosk in the corner
Mike: This may come as a huge shock, but, it’s not all about you!
Socialist/Progressives want to Carbon Tax the wealthy nations, move $200 billion a year to the United Nations and then have the UN send that money to the 100 poorest nations. That puts 100 poorest nations on a form of global welfare in just a few short years. What can’t be organized through trade agrees (read global groupings) will be subjugated through global welfare. Between NAFTA, TPP, the EU, the progressives have locked down most of the industrialized world. Through global welfare they will lock down half the world’s poorest.
Presto! You now have the new world order.
In the past eight years we have been turned into a nation of “declining expectations” while most of the rest of the world continues with “rising expectations”.
Would someone turn up the thermostat. I am getting cold.
“‘Global climate change ‘ will include periods of unusual cold, periods of unusual heat, and periods of unusual mildness.”
It sounds just like plain old weather to me.
LOL GLOBAL WARMING LOLHAHAHAHAHA IF YOU BELIEVE IN GLOBAL WARMING YOU BELIEVE IN THE TOOTH FAIRY AND SANTY CLAUSE
Do you mind? Santa Claus/Saint Nikolaus, does actually have some evidence, historically, as to his existence & good works. Equating him with ”climate ‘science’ ” is rude, to say the least
Sorry to disagree, but California Scientist Politicians have conclusively sort of come to a concensus that it’s bovine flatulence. Cow farts have gotten totally out of hand, destroying the atmosphere, and, of course, can only be remidied by taxation.
Trolls take note – since you don’t read the articles. This article is a response to the Climate Central article published 21 Dec 16.
The Warmunists repeated their spew as they always do, and the WahwahPoo picked up on it as if it’s news.
Tony deserves a medal for pulling together this piece to respond to these liars who enjoy our hard-earned tax dollars, but who use it to further their masters’ Left-wing agendas.
I for one appreciate his hard work on our behalf, and I’m not going to quibble or naysay or denigrate a reality defender just b/c he has to get up on the soapbox and keep repeating the truth over and over again.
Sorry posted the previous comment on the wrong thread.
Well said Extremely mild LOL Libtards must hate YOU
Nope, it was anthropogenic mildness.
“Lower 48 States Just Experienced the Warmest Winter on Record” – The Weather Channel
The weather guys at The WEATHER CHANNEL must be in on the global conspiracy… LOL!
NOAA data is fake data, so obviously the data for Vendickhead to use.
That is the whole point of the thread, but VD carries on the FAKE DATA, ignoring the point.
The founder of the Weather Channel must be really pissed that his company has been taken over by rabid climate alarmista.
The Weather Channel is now a front for this anti-science climate agenda, so naturally they would choose to use the much fabricated NOAA junk data.
Vending Cart de Carrion!
Get your cart ready. There will be plenty of roadkill to take out after the new bosses arrive.
REAL DATA shows that VenDickhead is using FAKE DATA to tell his usual LIES
Winter 2015/16 was not warmest at all.
Yes VD the Weather Channel is in on it and why wouldn’t they be. Scare sells. Cofounder of the Weather Channel is a man named John Coleman who is an award winning meteorologist and he says:
THE SUN AND EARTHS ORBIT TO THE SUN DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE WARM AND COOL. RIGHT NOW THE SUN IS COOLING AND HAS BEEN FOR 30 YEARS.
An unmistakable case of “global milding”.
“Lower 48 States Just Experienced the Warmest Winter on Record” – The Weather Channel
The weather guys at The WEATHER CHANNEL must be in on the global conspiracy… LOL! LOL!
You do realize that was last year, right?
First Week of 2017: Record Cold, 48 States Going Below Freezing
I have a state of the art weather station just down the street in a very rural area. It is about 15 years old. The high temperature and low temperature of the day are ALWAYS increased by about 2 to 4 degrees F 24 hours later. Of course the data from 2004 showing over 100F on several days has now AGAIN been revised down to 95F to 98F.
The funniest thing was a few years ago my stock tanks froze and we had about 6 inches of snow. This was reported as above freezing and RAIN!
After I called them *&^%& LAIRS to their face they hastily changed the data back to below freezing and snow.
Kind of hard to lie when the local papers main news story is all about the snow storm.
REAL DATA for DJF shows VenDick is using FAKE NOAA DATA to show something that is a LIE.
RSS shows even more of the LIE.
It was Hot Politically.
It was extremely warm in California and dry, as it has been for several years now.
All part of a ‘drench and dry’ cycle that dates back to the most recent ice ages.
Subtle and excellent!
It was warmer here in Ohio this week. If this is because of “global warming” we need to keep doing whatever is causing it!!!!
We have unprecedented extreme milding weather events ahead,run for the underground cities the rich built just for us, becareful, there could be amazingly extreme stable weather down there though, where do we go?! ahhhh!!!
But, but, we need to “Protect our Winters” – Gina says so….
“Extreme mildness” being, of course, what we would expect of human caused climate change. If you need more proof that your all American thirst for fossil fuels is the culprit, well, I guess you must be either stubborn or stupid. After all, we know that no other nation is so determined to destroy the earth as the United States, run, as it is, by greedy capitalists perfectly willing to kill us all, including themselves, for profit.
Steve: I noticed that “extreme mildness” also. Isn’t it always the fringe element causing the calmness.
Is it true that the climate reference network agrees with the reconstruction that Gavin created? I thought I read somewhere that they disagreed.
If climatologists were serious about the science, they would have set up a worldwide climate reference network back in the 1980s when they first claimed there was a problem. Their failure to do so is gross negligence.
No, they realized they would be setting up a paper trail that would have the potential to disprove their theory. It’s so much easier to explain away adjusting someone else’s “faulty data” than to explain having to adjust down your own data.
No, their failure is due to Political Correctness…
Which , in turn, is based on MONEY! Your money and mine.
They have found a scam that keeps it flowing into their pockets.
Climate Change is a religious form of faith where its believers pervert science to support their ideology.
Sadly they have indoctrinated students from a young age with this nonsense. Instead of teaching them how to read and write they fill them with global warming, social and economic justice and other leftist tripe.
The ‘showflakes’ show that the technique has been effective with liberalism as well. Why do parents allow schools to encourage mental illness in their children?
This would all be insignificant and ignored by 99% of people and governments if there wasn’t a carbon tax/wealth redistribution element at its core.
We must listen to Leo Di Caprio. He may never have graduated high school, but he and Cher, who’s still working on her GED, swear that Al Gore knows what he’s doing.
When I was in first grade I used to play “pretend” with my friends. I would pretend that I was an Army General, or maybe a King or a fighter pilot. Di Caprio has made a very lucrative career out of playing “pretend”. Of course, most children move on to other interests. They learn the difference between pretend and the real world. Most children grow up, but not all.
USCRN is very close to the satellite data over the USA since 2005
The El Nino slightly warm anomaly was mostly during winter in the US.
Here is the combined USCRN and satellite anomaly data….
As you can see, a slight El Nino effect bulge during late 2015, early 2016, but really pretty much “MILD” as Steve says.
The very slight +ve trend will settle back down to basically zero once the following La Nino cancels out the El Nino effect.
My question was how do the USCRN results compare to Gavin’s results, not the satellite results?
The other current USA data set is ClimDiv. from NCDC
I don’t know who is responsible for it, but it is very obviously being manipulated to match USCRN.
There is NO WAY that two separately measured systems could come up with results this close without some sort of manipulation.
USCRN is controlling the USA temperature calculations.
I have no idea what GISS says about temperatures in the USA since 2005, perhaps someone can find out, but I suspect that they will not have been tampered with that much. Its only the global stuff that is of such poor spatial and accuracy quality that Gavin can play with to create whatever he wants it to say.
Actually, I suspect that Tom Petersen is in charge of ClimDiv, and he is at least as much of a scoundrel as Gavin.
The FACT is that he is deliberately manipulating ClimDiv to match USCRN. I suspect he will use the similarity to say that pre-USCRN ClimDiv data is correct.
Sorry Tom.. you have been found out !!
Global Climate change or whatever they are calling it this week is a scam to kill capitalism. The tree huggers even admitted to it. I want to see the science that says by taxing the hell out of people it will make the weather do what the Greenies think it should be doing.
Don’t forget power. This is primarily about power. Power to control industry/business, resources, land and even the air you breath.
Uh yeah, but it’s mostly about the power to tell YOU how to live your life and eventually whether or not you will be allowed to do so.
It is about enslavement, period.
I hope the Trump administration brings back in toilets. I hate the low flow toilets, they clog up the sewage system.
The warming climate will dictate changes in lifestyle.
yes, but on a larger scale, global warming is about funding an effort to sacrifice our national sovereignty, on the altar of “globalism” and having a tax structure to fund same,,, the galling part is that Al Gore has made a couple of hundred million owning carbon tax trading systems in europe (and, while he owns them here, we haven’t been so stupid ,, yet,,, to lose our national sovereignty to the notion). Remember, Al Gore inherited truckloads of Occidental Petroleum stock from his father (aka “the Senator from Occidental”),, and yet couldn’t see a conflict of interest (guess they don’t teach that in Yale) in selling Oxy the Elk Hills Naval Oil Reserves (hastening his stock portfolio,, kept in a blind trust,, run by his brother in law,, but i’m sure they never talk about it). That little beauty is akin to the “Teapot Dome” scandal,, but since Gore became the celebrity behind warming nonsense,, nobody seems to be bothered with his corruption.
Harry, on all scales, the climate scam is about enslavement. full stop.
Sooner or later the malfeasance will be exposed. They never counted on a person like Trump becoming president. And his appointments have to be giving those that have perpetrated this scam pause even as they continue to ramp up the propaganda to try and make it difficult for Trumps appointees to jerk the rug out from under them. Trump appointed Christopher Shank as his NASA transition team leader and that pretty much says that they are not intimidated at all.
It seems to me that team Trump can’t just quietly walk back “politicized climate science” as Curry has correctly tagged it. Laws specifically requiring all scientists on the government payroll to in essence show their work under the threat of a heavy punitive legal penalty for noncompliance will not be enough but certainly will help to establish a level of transparency that currently does not exist. The malfeasance and those that perpetrated it must be publically exposed in order to justify the establishment of the permanent administrative changes that will make it more difficult to do it again in the future.
This just goes to show how self serving liberals are, even the “objective scientists”…
E.M. is continuing to work on A Remarkably Tiny Global Circulation Model You Can Run the comments reveal more of what he is up to for us non-computer science types. I think if E.M.’s work combined with what Tony Heller is doing it should kill the CAGW Zombie. That is why I am posting updates. (with my bold)
Obummer, really really does not want to do an HONEST debate the ‘amateurs’ like Tony Heller, E.M. Smith and Dr Evens, Jo Nova’s hubby.
A few tidbits for those not wanting to wade through pages and pages of computer code.
That is followed much later by some other comments on the same subject of tight input parameters (see bottom comment here)
so youre saying it wasnt 85 degrees here yesterday???? lmao
And it was 31.9 C (89.4 F) today in Canberra. Quite cool for summer here.
Are you sure you aren’t confusing weather for climate?
Why of course, particularly when it supports their argument.
Question…is there geo-engineering going on in Australia and China like there has been in North America?
Where is “here” ?
I am betting that “somewhere” it was over 100F … “somewhere else” it was -60F … so what’s your point?
“Their failure to do so is gross negligence.”
Grand Solar Minimum
Bingo…sooner rather than later claims of Warming will be seen as a Wish. Cold Wet and Hunger is on the horizon.
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Since it was warmer in the 1930s and 1940s than it is now (based on the first chart) the inescapable conclusion is that CO2 emissions rising due to expanding industrialization caused the global temperatures do DECREASE.
OMG, they are so busted.
They’ll claim that this is part of the”right-wing conspiracy”, and keeping motor-mouthing along… Remember what the Democrats said “it not whether the allegations are true, its the seriousness of the charge”.
These same folks talk about a “consensus” among “climate scientists” that “anthropogenic climate change is a fact”. Apparently opinion trumps data. It matters little that the data can be shown to be false or misrepresented – we already know the problem and the solution! Any dissension arises from malicious intent or perhaps mental illness.
A local radio guy took the time to find and analyze the temperature from the 1930s and found out it was much hotter on average then than it is now.
The Carboniferous Period had vastly higher carbon levels and yet the temperatures (as best as can be determined by science) were NOT much higher than today.
Actually it has been slowly cooling over the last 65 million years. Also, at least for now, the climate is bi-stable giving a saw tooth pattern.
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this data was all garbage just like the current administration…hocus pocus….make believe.
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Global Warming (caused by man) was, is and will remain complete BS.
When “scientific facts” are created, modified, or manipulated to support the global warming agenda, the MSM will still report it. In fact it will be a headline. Few read beyond the first sentence.
If the MSM is caught in the “lie,” they will attack the accuser as a “climate denier” and double-down in support of the fake scientific news.
These same “journalists” are going to be in charge of determining what is “fake news” in all categories. Once all news is put through a bogus sieve of “truthiness,” there will be no trustworthy news to read.
Thanks for the analysis that should cause all Americans to re-examine the issue and figure out who benefits from acceptance of the global warming model.
Does this not qualify as “fake news” by NOAA?
Fraud is the more appropriate descriptor.
We’ve got to pound these leftist propagandists into the ground and keep them there until the next mini ice age has a solid grip on us. Most of them will still be alive when that happens.
If this is true, why are the glaciers of Glacier National Park so much reduced? Had the temperatures remained basically the same, the glaciers would have remained basically the same.
One way to check whether it’s above freezing is to put an ice cube out and see if it melts. This article doesn’t pass the ice cube test.
Utter nonsense. you have no clue what you are talking about.
Both of your links are tainted by the stench of Connolly.
I was a teenager during the 1970’s who saw first hand real concerns of a cooling trend and then ice expansion.
Here are many science papers Billy “the deleter” Connolly manage to miss:
Massive Cover-up Exposed: 285 Papers From 1960s-’80s Reveal Robust Global Cooling Scientific ‘Consensus’
Stop supporting his lies,Elton!
Yeah, didn’t happen .. there was no Ice Age scare at all.
I toured Glacier National Park a couple of years ago. During the tour, they were saying (and I don’t remember the exact numbers of years) but thousands or millions of years ago, the glacier covered this area; then thousands or millions of years ago the glacier melted; then thousands or millions of years ago, the glacier was back, etc., etc, etc.,. What they are saying (but maybe not realizing it) is it has cycled and cycled and cycled from the beginning of time.
Glaciers have been overall receding since the last ice age and especially after the last mini ice age. If temperatures have remained relatively the same during a warming inter-glaciation period, yeah you will have a continuing reduction of glaciers with the exception of cool spells during that warming period.
Also I bet I can put that ice cube out on a 30 degree F day and get it to melt as long as it is sunny and I have a dark object to put it on.
Glaciers are not melting they are re-establishing:</b
Norway is experiencing the greatest glacial regrowth in the past 1,000 year. The authors state that most glaciers likely didn’t exist 6,000 years ago, but the highest period of glacial growth has been in the past 600 years. The paper is A new approach for reconstructing glacier variability based on lake sediments recording input from more than one glacier
Same in the USA. LINK
As far as the Arctic is concerned glaciers are increasing and the Arctic is cooling off.
How big did those glaciers used to be? Not 10 years ago, or 50 years ago, but 300 years ago, or 500 years ago? Yeah, they are shrinking and have been for far longer than the CO2 ‘problem’.
Ice seems to melt at an exponential rate. Slowly at first and then faster and faster.
As it melts, it has less mass. Temperature will have a more dramatic effect.
“Had the temperatures remained basically the same, the glaciers would have remained basically the same.”
Completely false premise.
Glaciers depend on SNOW. They are slow moving rivers of ice and just like any river if you do not continuously add water (snow) to the top they WILL run dry. Therefore precipitation is a necessary element of glacier formation and continuation.
For example, during the Wisconsin Ice Age there were no glaciers in Alaska because it was a polar desert. SEE: description @ http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nercNORTHAMERICA.html
Map from atmos(DOT)washington.edu
I get the University of Montana alumni magazine. They had an interesting article about the receding glaciers in Glacier National Park. As the glaciers are receding in the high country they are exposing skeletons of animals that died before the glacier advanced. They did radio carbon dating. These remains were not from before the last ice age as they had expected. These remains were from about a thousand years ago in the Viking era, the bump that was cut off the infamous hockey stick. The glaciers are going back to where they were a thousand years ago so those receding glaciers prove nothing.
That IS an interesting factoid. But I don’t find it on a search. Do you have a link?
Same as in Alaska, with the Exit and Mendenhall (attached) glaciers. In recent years (Mendenhall) and recent decades (Exit) the remains/shattered stumps of trees which were mowed over by the advancing glaciers -1250-1800 AD +/- have been discovered w/ some carbon dated as recently as 750 years ago.
Only now, has the glaciers receded far enough back up the mountains so that the stumps could be found. They were gr0wing during the MWP – but not yet during this warm cycle. A hundred to two hundred more years of glorious warmth should allow them to take root and grow into forests once again.
They are reduced because they was there mostly because of the LIA cold period,where most of the Ice grew in.
Before the LIA came along there much less ice around,that a large part of it melted long before 1950:
“Climate reconstructions representative of the Glacier National Park region extend back multiple centuries and show numerous long-duration drought and wet periods that influenced the mass balance of glaciers (Pederson et al. 2004). Of particular note was an 80-year period (~1770-1840) of cool, wet summers and above-average winter snowfall that led to a rapid growth of glaciers just prior to the end of the LIA. Thus, in the context of the entire Holocene, the size of glaciers at the end of the LIA was an anomaly of sorts. In fact, the large extent of ice coverage removed most of the evidence of earlier glacier positions by overriding terminal and lateral moraines.
Tree-ring based climate records and historic photographs indicate the initiation of frontal recession and ice mass thinning between A.D. 1860 and 1880. The alignment of decadal-scale climate anomalies over the early 20th century produced a period of glacial recession somewhat analogous to conditions experienced over the past few decades. The coupling of hot, dry summers with substantial decreases in winter snowpack (~30% of normal) produced dramatic recession rates as high as 100 m/yr from A.D. 1917-1941 (Pederson et al. 2004).”
Glacial melt has to do more with pollutants than temps. For example, black ice is created when smoke from forest fires, volcanoes, pollutants and other atmospheric debris fall on glaciers, turning them grey or black in some cases. The result of these pollutants is that sunlight is absorbed instead of reflected, and water channels are created, which act as saws on the glacier, carving out chunks and making the glaciers break apart faster than without the covering of pollutants. Google it!
Most of the glaciers in the US grew from or grew larger during the Little Ice Age, which ended prior to significant use of fossil fuels.
I would say it can be a stable temperature now and because it was colder past take some time for a glacier to melt. In effect at current temperatures which are less than those in the 30s glaciers will probably melt. That being said one would have to calculate the thermal mass and the temperatures a glacier experiences and reflection etc. But a stable temp does not mean a glacier will remain the same size. It means it will carry a trend. Since we are much warmer then the last ice age when glaciers were created we should expect some melt
Ignorance is helpful to the alarmista.
Here is a graph of a study of the history of one of the Mt Baker glaciers (just over the hill).
Notice anything ???
Regardless of your beliefs on “man-made climate change”, all I can tell you is that it is 82 degrees right now. Record high temperature. Again.
It is getting warmer here. I mean here, not “around the world”, but where I live. That is simply a fact. Weather patterns are shifting. That is a fact.
Now, the idea that man is causing this is extremely doubtful. And the idea that increased government regulations/taxes will “cure” this is absolutely ridiculous.
Superstition, not statistics
If you’re living in an area where the human population has increased, the Urban Heat Island effect is probably much larger than the global climate change. UHI is man-made, but has nothing to do with CO2.
Well, sort of…. we do expire CO2. If there are more people then technically there would be more CO2 — not that it makes any difference though.
Trees and plants absorb extra CO2. Since it is heavy, it does not go up into the atmosphere. the CO2 argument for climate changes is chock full of holes.
There are wind currents and diffusion which mix the atmosphere.
Temperatures throughout the world are reported by thermometers that are located on top of black tarmac at the world’s airports.
And here in Tennessee we have had near record high temperatures off and on since September. So what? … in between those near record highs we have had near record lows too. And, if you look at the temperature history you will see we have been slightly cooling since the late 1800’s. You can use Tony’s fancy little software tool to verify. Simply select Tennessee and the Murfreesboro station to get a good picture of what middle Tennessee has been like during the past 100 years.
Temperature records are set every single day, it means nothing.
Shifting from what? .. which pattern would you say is the “norm” ? .. perhaps your current pattern is actually the “norm”. How do you know?
In a chaotic and fluid system such as our atmosphere, to say “weather patterns are shifting” is like saying “water feels wet”. Makes absolutely no sense, and I would be much more concerned if the “weather patterns” did not shift. Now that would be a problem.
Meteorology is different than climatology.
You don’t say where “here” is so nobody can verify your claims. Not saying that you are wrong but vague assertions do not carry much weight.
President Trump, LET THE CUTS BEGIN!
don’t forget to DISARM NOAA, they don’t need hollow point bullets to defend their Fake Climate News, do they?
We should all be anxious to see this sacred cow Gored.
I’d be just as satisfied to see the sacred Gore cowed.
Blood and Gore? Be careful what you wish for … :)
Doesn’t SO2 have an underappreciated climate effect?
Broad-brush, raw global temps began increasing in the late 1970s and early 1980s when the US and other developed nations began scrubbing SO2 emissions, and raw global temps seemed to continue increasing until around 2000, when China’s entry into the WTO helped accelerate their boom which included massive production of SO2.
And there’s a nice quote somewhere in the ClimateGate emails about how China’s producing massive but unquantified amounts of SO2 and nobody knows what the climate impact is because the amount is unknown . . . . .
The Chinese government has come up with a clever way to measure their industrial output…….. let their citizens breathe it for a few days, and then when they are dead, measure the content in their lungs. Anyone seeing the news out of China recently can see China is producing more “stuff” in the air than most of the rest of the world added up, including my neighbor’s cow farts. (and if they start tracking the methane my cat puts out, I’m in BIG trouble)
Don’t worry. Before BHO leaves office, he will tell China to “cut it out’, and they will clean up all their smog-generating stuff.
“raw global temps began increasing in the late 1970s and early 1980s”
You need to study the effect of the AMO.
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I have a question – please keep in mind I’m not indicating my beliefs here but only trying to get some facts – or make people think a bit before reacting:
Let’s look at something else, first, then back to climate. It is often said that something is causing the big upswing in the medical condition xxxxx. (where xxxxx could mean ADHD, autism, depression, whatever, put your favorite or least favorite medical condition in place of the xxxx). It has been demonstrated that in at least some cases there is NOT an upswing in the number of people, percentage-wise, with xxxx but such an improved science for detecting xxxx that more people are being accurately diagnosed with xxxx where in the past they lived, or died, with it never being properly diagnosed. We have gone decades or longer believing that this illness or condition was something else and suddenly we can split it off from other similar things and keep accurate track of that condition making it appear like suddenly thousands of people have it when it was quite rare 100 years ago.
OK, back to CLIMATE SCIENCE. Accuracy in measurements…….. so go back 120 years or so into the past (or ask your grandfather if you aren’t that old) and find out how ACCURATE temperature measurements were. Find out how accurate humidity and other measurements were. In 1885, how were thermometers made/designed, what was used as the indicator (meaning mercury, alcohol (either sort, perhaps white lightening?), water, gasoline, panther pee, whatever)
How accurately could the temperature of anything be measured? Within a half degree? Within a 100th of a degree or better? Or was 72 and a half as close as they could guess depending on if they had their reading glasses on ? Perhaps science was advanced more than I remember and they could measure the air temperature to 5 decimal places, say, 72.36291 was extremely accurate? Or maybe getting your eyes focused on the measuring media between 2 lines on a glass tube was as good as it got?
Have materials and methods changed at all?
Are we more accurate now? If so, by how much? Have materials changed, meaning that in 1890 the temperature reading could have had a margin of error of +/- .5 degrees but now we use kryptonite and it’s always 100% accurate down to 100 decimal places?
What I’m getting at is this – is it at all possible that part of the 1.5 degree change (for sake of argument, let’s say they are right and the readings taken 100 years ago were indeed 1.5 degrees lower than they are now). Could it be that now that we can measure the temperature of a gnat’s tongue to 10 decimal spots 100 out of 100 times but 100 years ago we were lucky to be within a half a degree that this change alone accounts for the differences?
Laugh if you wish, but besides trying to make points, I find that, well, I really would like to know how things were measured back then, how accurate they were compared to now! I loved my science classes – physics, earth sciences, all of it, love it all, but I can’t recall anything about temperature measurements and tracking in the 1800s! (*but then take it easy on me, my classes were in the 1970s, that’s a lot longer than some of you have been ALIVE!)
Points for thinking. One issue that has been raised by the “deniers” is that whenever a systematic error is identified (say the +/- reading error), the data is sometimes adjusted but only to one side. In other words, bias was assumed rather than lack of precision.
Sodium Fluoride is causing your autism/adhd/dyslexia/etc… Its a poison, its in your water and toothpaste. Now ask why? Be careful who you trust on your adventure.
“so go back 120 years or so into the past (or ask your grandfather if you aren’t that old) and find out how ACCURATE temperature measurements were. “
I did that:
Zeke Hausfeather of BEST, a dyed in the wool Climate Alarmist says on Judith Curry’s website:
“….Observation times have shifted from afternoon to morning at most stations since 1960…”
In regards to Tobs, a meteorology textbook from 1918 states:
Suppose what you are saying is true, that thermometer readings 100 years ago were off by 2°C ..
Off in which direction? … plus or minus? .. and by exactly how much?
This speaks directly to one of Tony’s points, for which I concur .. no matter how much they were off, and no matter in which direction they may have been off, one cannot simply change them. This is ever more the argument against such modifications to the original record.
Further still, one would have to assume that in your argument that temperature readings of the past were incorrect, on average they would have to be pretty precise. Let us assume they were off by 2°C (on average). They would also, on average, be off by -2°C just as often as +2°C. So again, becomes a moot point. And since we do not know any of this information with any sort of accuracy now, there is no way we can make adjustments at this point in time. Doing so is fraudulent.
And then one has to ask and answer why the temperature record from the satellite and radiosonde records shows cooler land temperatures than land surface temperature records over the same period. Papers have been written making excuses but that is what they are IMO. And of all the excuses made for this discrepancy over the years have resulted in no actions to systemically correct it. And in the meantime the MET changed to make satellite temps their primary input over their own surface stations.
BillD3 … I entirely agree with your premise, although you don’t have to go back to the 1800s.
In Australia, metrication happened on 1 September 1972. According to the Bureau of Meteorology, more than 50% of all observer recordings across Australia from 1957 to 1972 were with a .0 rounding in Fahrenheit. The .0F percentage was even higher in the 1800s and earlier 1900s. Celsius rounding was much lower as of 1972, although it still took about 20 more years before the .0, .1, .2, etc decimals were all around their correct proportions of 10% each.
In its techniques report for the Australian Climate Observation Reference Network of 112 stations that is the official gauge of national temperature trends since 1910, the bureau concedes there was a 0.1C shift up in mean temperatures in 1972 (http://cawcr.gov.au/technical-reports/CTR_049.pdf – p70). However, the bureau chose not to adjust (homogenise) for this because the PDO shifted in later years and record rainfall in the early 1970s meant they couldn’t determine if the upward shift was natural or artificial.
So they decided that record rainfall may have caused the mean temperature to increase suddenly, with both min and max rising. Go figure.
It’s claimed that rounding of Fahrenheit temperatures wouldn’t affect averages because the observers would have rounded anything that looked a bit above .5F up, and a bit below .5F down.
It’s an assumption that ignores human behaviour. With weak morning light or poor eyesight or in a rush to bring the dairy cows in for milking or a myriad other reasons, volunteer observers who could see it was “somewhere” between 56 and 57 on the fine scale F thermometer would be more likely to write 56F rather than 57F, simply because 56F is sort of accurate and honest but 57F isn’t. Most were farmers, not scientists or meteorologists.
It wasn’t 50/50 up and down rounding. I’d guesstimate something more like 75/25 down/up, which creates a clear cooling bias for early temps.
Many countries switched from F to C in the 1970s, which is often said to be the decade that AGW began to influence global temperature trends.
Many if not most Australian weather station raw records show a significant single step increase in 1972 and I estimate the artificial metric shift was closer to 0.25C, or about 25% of Australia’s claimed 1C temperature increase since 1910. The bureau effectively concedes 10% (0.1C) that it won’t adjust because it rained too much.
Another significant artificial influence on Australian trends was the introduction of Automatic Weather Stations beginning in the 1990s and compounded by the use of smaller Stevenson screens. The other obvious influence was UHI or, in many cases, Airport Heat Islands where hectares of black tarmac and increasing numbers of jet engines generate heat wafted occasionally across the Stevensons when the breeze blows that way.
Anybody interested in Australia’s F rounding issue should visit http://www.waclimate.net/round/rounded-australia.html
Hey BillD3! You raise some very valid points. One of the biggest complaints that sceptics have is that the official graphs seldom have appropriate error bars. In fact, when you can find an older chart that does have error bars, you will find that the newer revisions of that same data are often adjusted to new values that do not even fall within the old error bars!
Additionally, if you look at the adjustments, you see that even the very newest data is adjusted. Somehow, (if you believe the adjustments!) it seems as though we were able to take accurate readings around the year 2000, but NOW we are no longer able to do so, and the preponderance of stations today are reading temperatures too low! This does not even make sense!
A similar trick is that when they give you estimates (from proxies) for pre-industrial times, they neglect to include the error range caused by poor temporal resolution. What I mean is this. Suppose you have a graph of the period from 1000AD to 1500AD, but the method you use can only show the average value over a decade. All the peaks and troughs get smeared out and the graph will not show those extreme warm or cold periods that lasted for a year or two or five; everything will show more stable than the actual temperature swings. Compare that old smeared data with recent un-smeared data that shows bigger swings and suddenly the warmists will claim, “Look! We used to have a stable climate, and NOW it has become erratic!” No, in truth, nothing has changed, but the charts certainly look as if it has.
No surprise here. An Executive Branch agency of one of the most untruthful presidents in history is lying. (The ‘one of’ is meant to be kind).
As I thought.
Also, the starting date for that graph in the late eighteen hundreds was at a very low period for solar activity. It was very cold that year for that reason compared to immediately preceding years. They cherry-picked the starting point for their graph to make it look worse.
I think it’s time for the alarmists to be forced to make their case and to make it in debate with those who aren’t buying it and let the best win out. Until now, they’ve been able to avoid direct debate with anyone they disagree with. It’s time to settle this and the only way is to have people like James Hansen have to face people like Roger Peilke.
Our government AGW scientists are lying and cheating? Be still my beating heart.
As I thought
“They “have to” adjust the data because of…” data errors of some kind or another. No, you don’t “have to” adjust bad data, you “have to” throw it out. There is no statistical method that can turn bad data into good data in a wholesale fashion. On a case-by-case basis, you MIGHT be able to adjust a single station’s data, given enough overlap between new and old conditions, but that’s not what they do.
Bottom line: if your data adjustment is substantially identical to the pattern you find in the adjusted data, you must be very, very suspicious of the whole process.
Well there is the crux of it. Their hypothesis is “x” but some of the data is suspect and the prediction does not match the hypothesis. By adjusting the data, with supporting rationale but not proof, they can make them match. Now they can declare it a working theory or model.
In almost any other endeavor, they would be laughed at.
Hey Ed Fix! DING DING DING! We have a winner!
Absolutely! When I first found out the sorry state of the current stations and how many of them were garbage, I (naively!) thought that the climatologists would demand an upgrade to the stations. Instead, their response was, “we can adjust for all that.” WHAT?! That is NOT how a scientist would respond.
How bad are the reporting stations? How much bias do they have?
Read it and weep.
Story after story about the ‘controversy’ of climate change…yet there is still ongoing…A Huge Media Blackout Regarding the True Cause of the worldwide increase in quakes, tsunami, Volcanoes, and weird weather….
Google – “Huge Media Blackout Regarding Supermoons, Orbital and Axis Changes, Quakes and Tsunami”
The video alone says it all.
I’m curios, what constitutes “weird weather” ?
We have had fewer tornadoes as of late. We are in a record major hurricane drought. We are in a record low CMI.
Do these things also constitute “weird weather” ? … after all, some would argue those things are “out of the norm”. But what is the “norm”? … we only really know about weather for perhaps the past 100 years or so (with any accuracy). So how do you determine what is “norm” and what is “weird” ?
There simply is not enough information to make these determinations.
Enjoy the weather. It’s the only weather you’ve got.
As far as tornadoes. It wasn’t just fewer this year, it was a near record low 1060 on the year so far. In the NOAA Storm Prediction Center data set this was the third lowest year with 2014 having 1055 and 2013 being the lowest at 943.
But NOAA adjusts their numbers to allow for the fact that over time our ability to detect tornadoes has greatly increased with better technology, increased coverage, and increasing number of trained watchers. Due to all of this many tornadoes that would not have been reported in the past get detected and reported these days.
On the adjust NOAA shown below it was a record low year for tornados.
My mom and I had this running laugh about my birthday being the hottest day ever recorded for July 15th in Tulsa, Oklahoma at 115 degrees. We would pull up the records and agree that, yes, there it is!
Now, history has changed as it shows a mere 100 degrees for that day. These “Climate Change” global elitist have an agenda. They need to manufacture data in order to bring forth more controlling regulations!
Ouch! Just out of curiosity, was that in 1973? There was a huge heatwave that year in the first part of July. I remember it was 113 on July 6th in South Dakota.
Some of the few records that they CAN’T change without too many people noticing is the all time highs for the various states. There are many more records from the 30s and 40s than for any other decades.
This is good news. If we have been paying and pressuring climate scientists to imagine warming, we can instead pay and pressure them to imagine a rather stable climate which will boost morale, consumer confidence and more competitive energy prices.
The bad news is that this will kill investor interest in my Baffin Bay tropical resort project.
The scientist putting out this crap should be prosecuted. They are attempting to alter the economy and everyones pursuit of happiness, to live unbridled by excessive government involvement.
Every single year we hear the same crap. ‘It got warmer this year’ and we all know its bullshit, yet they carry on. Prosecute the bastards!
I guess we all believe in man made global warming now, huh? :)
Actually I believe in (Mikey) Mann made Gore-bull(sh..t) Warming.
Every measure I have over the past 15 years shows a gentle cooling. I use both the gas company records (most record the average monthly temps as justification for their billing) and my own two weather stations.
Great. Years ago, it was a coming ice age. Then, it was global warming. Recently, it was climate change. Now, we have to worry about global milding. What’s next?
What’s next? Hard to predict but one thing is likely.
It will be another catastrophic threat to mankind and the solution will be the same that has been demanded as a response to the threat of global cooling, global overpopulation, global warming, species extinction and “climate change”.
Our republican form of government, our liberties and free markets must be suppressed and an enlightened totalitarian regime established for the benefit of all mankind:
The United States is a Republic. Maybe a one party Republic but a Republic and not mob rule (a democracy). China is a Communist Country and Communism is the most polluting, fouling type of government created so far. Thomas Friedman has a home and grounds bigger than my neighborhood.
It’s finally starting to fall apart. Fake data from corrupt, fake “scientists” feeding on government funding. All served up as fake news by our agenda driven fake media. I can’t wait for Trump to “pause” , expose and defund this whole fraudulent scheme.
Can we once and for all reach a conclusion on this BS.
Simply put, is their any reason on Gods green earth
to continue ad nauseum this absurd premise. If not,
I don’t trust government on this topic however; ALL SCIENTISTS on both sides agree the earth has been & continues to warm. The disagreement is only on if humans cause it or if it is nature in other ways. One side says it is a normal warm phase that is about to shift back to cold in 2020s and other says it will continue to get warmer because of human activity.
I have done much study on climate but anyone over 55 knows it is much warmer now than when we grew up. Everyone knows the fall colors used to change in the North September and South later October and other than Atlanta were off trees early November with Atlanta coming in mid November.
We had mild winters here and there but never was it 70* at Christmas yet this year and last it was near or at that from Atlanta to Syracuse! Not good. In fact, just last week there was lake effect RAIN in Syracuse and I am here to know it. We are getting snow now but to have rain in December is not normal.
I tend to believe it comes in phases about every 30 years or so and if proven correct, it means in the next year to three it will start to turn back toward longer, colder winters. Spring will come later with fall early and harsh winters. Mild winters then will be like they were in 1970s just as harsh winters will be like 1976-77 which I remember well. All the ponds were frozen even down in Atlanta that winter. We had a few winters like that in 60s and 70s yet decades before that it was warm then cold etc.
BTW, warmest decade on record in USA was 1920s so it is very warm now but it has been warmer. Problem is if this were to continue we are in trouble since cold kills germs and it enables the given trees we have to live and other things. If summers were to continue to get hotter, it would end up at boiling point most days in the South so no one would survive it and everyone would be moving to Canada!
Again, no one in science community debates if it is getting warmer. That is just a fact so debate is on what is causing it. See Joe Bastardi over at weatherbell for better explanation. He is the best forecaster. It should be turning much colder in East about 6 days and last about 2 months after that but not cold like 1970s winters. Snow expected in Atlanta within next two weeks too. Every State excluding perhaps FL will have snow by then. States in East TN Northward snow cover entire State.
Elizabeth, even NOAA says it’s only 1 1/2 degrees in the past 100 years….
..and summers are not getting hotter….look at the graphs in the post
Elizabeth Tudor Don’t forget LEAP.
The Late Eemian Aridity Pulse (LEAP) is the last warming just before the Eemain interglacial dropped off the cliff into the Wisconsin Ice Age.
Sirocko et al (2005):
So LEAP was at the very end of the last interglacial the Eemain.
“The lesson from the last interglacial “greenhouse” in the Bahamas is that the closing of that interval brought sea-level changes that were rapid and extreme. This has prompted the remark that between the greenhouse and the icehouse lies a climatic “madhouse”! So said the authors’ of the following paper:
Rapid sea-level changes at the close of the last interglacial (substage 5e) recorded in Bahamian island geology
Which is backed up by another paper.
High rates of sea-level rise during the last interglacial period
Table S1. shows high stands from various papers:
RED SEA (The area of the research paper above)
Egyptian coast, NW Red Sea — 125-120ka
South Sinai, N Red Sea — 125-118ka
Eritrean coast, SW Red Sea — 125 ± 7ka one ~125 and one younger event
Bahamas — 129-120 ka
Bahamas — 132-118ka and 130=117 ka one ~125 and one ~121
Warming out of the Little Ice Age means NOTHING going by the closing climate of the last interglacial. The only real question is what are we looking at going forward?
A climatic Icehouse or a Madhouse? Those really are the only choices.
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When everybody realizes that this whole climate change thing is all about money. Al Gore and his cronies will make billions from it. Such as, carbon credits. It will be a scheme to sell something that does not exist. The buyers can sell unused credits to others that need them to comply. The UN is in on the scheme to bring money from large countries like the US and give it to smaller ones . There was a report that executives from fannie mae and freddie mack were in on the scheme to buy the patents and exploit it. Do your own research and see for yourself if it is true.
WHAT IS IN IT FOR THE BANKS?
World Bank Carbon Finance Report for 2007
Carbon Trading is a fraud that produces nothing but poverty. It does not produce a single penny of wealth and instead acts as a short circuit across the advancement and wealth of an entire civilization.
It does NOTHING but transfer wealth from the poor to the rich leaving our entire civilization in ruin.
Drain the Swamp at NOAA.
The Earth is currently in the middle of an ice age, called the Quaternary, that began 2.5 million years ago. Around 12,000 years ago, the Earth began to warm, and we entered an interglacial, called the Holocene. Both the Quaternary and the Holocene are still active. 200,000 years ago, modern man appeared. For 190,000 years, or 95% of humanity’s existence, we wandered around in small bands of hunter-gatherers. Then shortly after the Earth began to warm, man discovered agriculture. This led to surplus, which led to specialization, which led to civilization and history. Not only has all of human history and civilization occurred during global warming, global warming is at least in part the reason history and civilization exist.
Glad to see a new commenter who understands the long view aka climate.
The other day I was just musing a bit, thinking of the “keep it in the ground” crowd. The lefties for some reason or other want to destroy the oil industry. I was wondering what could be the reason. So I contemplated…
Navy ships…aircraft carriers, submarines, other large ships can use nuclear power. (Until the lefties get back on to the “no nukes” bandwagon). Smaller ships would have to be electric powered. Solar panels all over the deck? Two hour running time between full recharges? Hunh.
Intercontinental ballistic missiles? Powered by special chemical fuels. Okay.
Bomber and fighter aircraft. Electric powered? Nah. Ground’em.
Tanks and fighting vehicles for the army? Run’em a couple of hours and then recharge. Funny!
We would be nearly totally disarmed. Surely that is not their intent! Uh. I hope not.
Back in the 1970s when I was in graduate school, we had a guest speaker who talked about CO2 and global warming. He said that it was a fact that man made CO2 could result in warming. He also said that there were 1,000 other man made things that could cause warming or cooling. His example was that the reflection of sunlight off of man made jet vapor trails caused more cooling than CO2 caused warming. What I would like to see is for someone to pretend that it was 1850, when man first started harnessing the power of non-coal fossil fuels. Since we know how much has been burned since 1850, use their models to predict how much warming it would cause. I bet their models would say that the oceans would be boiling by now.
Privatize NASA and NOAA. END OF STORY.
The lies will end, when politics is taken out of the equation.
Not necessarily. These ‘scientists’ have prostituted their integrity to manipulate data in order to get results that were ‘paid for’ by their sponsors, most recently the government.
There’s no reason to believe that these same ‘scientists’ will not sell their services to a Soros, Gates or anyone willing to pay for fraud.
What these folks desire is a world government. But in order to justify a world government you need a world problem to solve. Since there isn’t a natural one, they have created one.
As the temperature drops over the next few years they will adjust for that, too.
Trump is right to doubt.
These folks don’t just desire a “world government”, that is just a means to an end. They desire a “world enslavement”, that is the sole purpose of a “world government”.
Global Warming alarmists are a disgrace. What is the optimum temperature the Earth should be? is it 5 degrees warmer than we have had since 1880 or 5 degrees less? No answer. How many NASA thermometers are there in the northern temperate zone on the globe used to determine that? 1000s How many in Antarctica, the coldest CONTINENT? 8 Global Warming advocates are are a ‘scientific’disgrace.
It’s rather strange that we worry about 2 or 3 degrees when evenings at my home in Missouri, I can ride or drive from my house into the small valley below my house, not more than about 75 feet elevation-wise, and experience a 5 to 10 degree drop in temperature. And how is it that every animal in existence, everywhere on earth, is negatively affected by ‘global warming?’ Most animals around the world already experience swings in temperature of 50 degrees or more – often in a single day. Why don’t they all just die?
One only needs to read their plans for what they will do with the money from the taxes.
A good portion goes back into more “research” which means they have no solutions but will insure they keep producing more propaganda as to why we should pay the tax. The rest of the money is just redistributed to poor countries for reasons that have nothing to do with fixing the climate.
Caj you say SCAM!?
Funny how liberals believe this science and the science that says cells, if found on another planet, would be considered life. But they don’t believe cells in a womb to be life. Liberal logic states : If we don’t like it, then it isn’t true.
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If your collecting a paycheck looking for man caused global warming you’ll find global warming everywhere you look.
When I was in Thule, Greenland about 45 years ago, in the summer they had to use refrigeration to keep the permafrost frozen around the barracks foundations so they wouldn’t sink. There was also a city under the ice (camp century) where they would take core samples for analysis. Wonder what we learned from those? Would take boat trips around the glaciers to watch them calve. Today, here in Fla. its 85, what will they think of next? After 80 trips around the sun I agree with the obama deniers!
I googled ice levels in Antarctica and NASA had a story with photos showing there is more ice than at any point since 1979 and the story STILL made it sound like this was part of global warming.
“It’s cold… and it’s because of global warming.”
These climate liars should be prosecuted and jailed for knowingly producing falsified date to support a human hating liberal agenda.
Here the empirical data suggests that “liberalism is a mental disorder”
Fake Scientists give Fake Data…. Global Warming has always been a political tool for the leftists…. Why does Algore fly private jets, have a fleet of gas guzzling SUV’s, have a YUGE home and a zinc mine if he actually believed in AGW? The man leaves a CO2 footprint as big as Leonardo Dicaprio, another Fake…,
Fits. The University of East Anglia had to admit
all it GW data was fraudulent…
NOAA – “If the data doesn’t fit your predetermined curve (results) then you can always dry lab the data by adjusting (falsifying) your data so that it does.” That way, in the public eye, you are never wrong. Folks, having worked closely with the weather biz with great emphasis on satellite technologies, NOAA and others have been doing this literally for decades. The only fools are the ones who believe them.
Is this article comparing the five year mean to the annual average? That has me a little confused.
Globalists are truly the greatest danger to humanity. The good people of the world are realizing this, and fighting back. This has been done through a vote. However, these power hungry, greedy thugs will not go quietly. At least here in America we have the means to fight the evil of this immoral plan for dominance. And believe me, in the USA, there will be a blood bath before these evils elitists get there way. They will use whatever means to dominate the world. Be very aware of the U.N. and its current and future actions.
Warren Buffet is going all in on aluminum stocks. Soon after ‘Climatologists’ will propose we cover all the unused portions of America with aluminum foil.
That’s a lot of covered heads!
Global Warming has always been a political tool for the leftists…. Why does Algore fly private jets, have a fleet of gas guzzling SUV’s, have a YUGE home and a zinc mine if he actually believed in AGW? The man leaves a CO2 footprint as big as Leonardo Dicaprio, another Fake…,
I am just wondering, all those trails in the sky that are composed of micronized heavy metals…could they be keeping the earths heat IN? I am wondering who is behind all those trails? I know they are not just airplane exhaust because i have common sense and you can track real planes on an app i have on my phone and they do not match.
On and after 9/11 The week of no flight the temp went up. Seems that the condensation trails left by jets shades the earth. the more planes in the air the cooler the temp. At night they hold heat in. Flying moderates our climate, just like clouds do.
Con-trails are not exhaust!! I am a skydiver and have seen con-trails coming off my finger tips. It is the formation of vapor in the air due to high speed impingement. Nothing more.
From the engines it is condensation that in the form of tiny water drops often freezes into ice crystals. WW II bombers made huge lines of contrails too. Again hot air from the engine exhaust and from the heat of air cooled engines forming trails in the same process. Notice the distinct 4 trails behind each 4 engine B-17 bomber.
Contrails were the bane of aircraft over enemy territory even at night time because they were a tell tale. Many a British bomber was lost at night during the war because the contrails they were producing made them an easy mark for the night fighters. Others, like those flying the Mosquito on bombing missions and that aircraft and others for photo recon had more independence and adjusted their altitude to avoid providing a perfect mark for the night fighters.
A moraine is a U shaped valley between two mountains formed by a glacier that melted away. That tells us that the earth’s atmosphere has been gradually warming since for ever. It seems that over the past 100 or so years the rate of melting has increased and it coincides with the extraction and use of coal and fossil fuels that may be putting things into the ionosphere. Likely it’s affecting the insulating properties of the billions of barrels of oil we’ve removed and burnt. Bottom line is we don’t know whether or not it is man made but we know that we waste a lot of it and that it creates jobs and makes people rich. There are other ways to accomplish both that are being ignored in favor of the status quo. Maybe that is what is fueling Tony Heller’s rant.
That tells us that the earth’s atmosphere has been gradually warming since for ever….so what was you first clue?….finding trees and houses under the glaciers?
Have you found Tony’s specific and evidence-based argument hard to follow, Norman?
Glaciers have been retreating since the end of the LIA.
There is no CO2 warming signal in glacier retreat, just the natural and highly beneficial warming out of the coldest period in the last 10,000 years
Those people who do not want the beneficial NATURAL warming should move their asses to Siberia.
Hey Norman! “the earth’s atmosphere has been gradually warming since for ever”
Is it possible that you have rounded that number upward?
The political far left and media is shameless in their lies and deception. They need to be exposed as frauds for the sake of tens of millions of extremely naive Americans.
Doesn’t anyone see the elephant in the room. They are basing all of this on 121 years of data. That is like a doctor performing a physical and only asking for your medical history from the time your were in his waiting room.
um…. the link was from a 1989 NY times article. This is quite old news and could you clarify how a 1989 article bears on data from this year? Obviously faked data from different researchers from 1989 doesn’t mean that data from today are fake.
That would be like saying that because Reagan appointed someone who didn’t know anything about government to oversee HUD and then there was corruption leading to many in the administration just stealing everything
that implies anything about the same path that’s being taken by Trump.
Did you read the rest of the post before making your idiotic comment?
For a different perspective on the scam:
The personal behavior of 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES that of the other 99%. Not surprising to anyone, even the uninformed believers. But what does surprise people is when they realize this means this small group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL U. S. CO2 emissions, as all emissions are attributable to people. Might ANY of you AGW proponents please explain why all the plans being implemented, and proposed, will do nothing to curtail the behavior of the “polluters” while financially hammering the lower income and middle classes, just for being alive? Please hurry, it is an emergency, we are told.
Look all. Global warming is not about the weather!!! It is driven by an entirely different motivator. If you are arguing weather and average temperatures, you have already lost.
I am 63. I graduated high school in 1971. I lived through the entire cold war. My HS civics and social studies teachers were liberals.
The big bugaboo then was nuclear annihilation. A more realistic fear than global warming.
I clearly remember the mantra of “wouldn’t it be wonderful if we were invaded from outer space? We would all have to band together and forget our differences. The USSR, Red China and USA would have to work together to fight this formidable enemy. We would all forget about races and religions. We are fighting space aliens and those things would become insignificant. We could all sit around and sing Kum ba yah!
This was the peak of the hippie culture and that time was about unity.
Now leap forward 33 years. I go to the Ga. Congress Center with my family to see an expose on the weather. It is hosted by , none other than the Weather Channel. It is 2003 and global warming is just making the regular news programs.
I go to one of the stands and talking with a PhD who is running it. It is about the perils of global warming.
I question whether the phenomenon is actually happening and the young man replies, ” even if there is not any global warming, think of all the wonderful things we can accomplish if we can get the world to forget about it differences and we all work together. Maybe, as we battle global warming, we can rid the world of poverty, discrimination and capitalism.” Yes, he said capitalism.
Nothing has changed since the 70’s except the name of the monster under the bed. And most prominent liberals know this.
Global warming is the universal bugaboo that liberals have imposed on the world. They see is as there BEST tool to harness the masses to bring about the Utopian change they desire. They will not surrender it lightly.
“… the Utopian change they desire….”
(And we are NOT the ones allowed into the technologically advanced cities.)
THE POST SUSTAINABLE FUTURE
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A very good article, Tony. It thoroughly exposes NOAA’s manipulations.
Maybe in the near future, we will see your graphs in a White House briefing.
We need a huge audit of the entire world’s temperature records and how they have been changed over time.
CAGW is going to turn out to be the biggest scam in science history.
One day Tony will be recognized as a National Treasure.
He already is by many.
December 28, 2016 at 4:07 pm
“We need a huge audit of the entire world’s temperature records and how they have been changed over time.”
When and if that is done I await the “dog ate my homework” excuses much like Phil Jones at East Anglia University came up with when push came to shove during Climate Gate. BTW Phil Jones is retiring.
I suspect there are going to lots of computer files and databases corrupted or missing when Trumps team starts really digging into the fraud.
I have known about this fraud for a long time, and have often commented about it on the internet. I have, saved right on the computer I am using at the moment, Two sets of “historical temperature data,” published by NASA in the years 2000 and 2013. Both “historical temperature data” sets were posted at the same web site, and with the same titles. But the “Historical temperature data” published in 2013 was radically different from the historical temperature data they had previously published, at the same web site and under the same title. In the 2013 set of “historical temperature data,” the alleged data had been increased for all but six years from 1880 to 1910, thus hiding a cooling trend during that period. The alleged data had then been reduced for every year from 1911 to 1964, thus hiding a high temperature period in the 1960’s. Then the temperatures had been increased, by a gradually increasing amount, for all except one year from 1965 to 2000. The net effect of this fraud was to change a historical record of temperatures rising and falling, to an alleged historical record of temperatures that had been essentially steady from the beginning of the record until about 1930, and then temperatures steadily rising at a gradually increasing rate from 1930 until the present time. If this had been done in the banking industry, someone would have gone to prison.
We need more folks like you who do their own analysis. Lots of stuff can be found on the Internet Archives WayBack Machine. And it’s relatively easy to compare that historical data to see if it’s been re-written or not. What one finds is that when it comes to climate data, it mostly has been.
Satellite data indicates that there has been NO GLOBAL WARMING for 21 years, and the hottest day on record occurred in the 1930s…before polluters.
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Global warming due a CO2 increase caused fossil fuel burning is impossible. Plants immediately scrub away the extra CO2 with an increase in their growth rate. Carbon taxes and credits are a scam.
Trees love C02. You’d thing the tree-huggers would all drive Suburbans and Range Rovers.
As usual, another yawn – everyone with common sense has known this was a BOGUS issue since the git-go. My friends around the globe who live at the ocean’s edge have not noticed any changes in the tidal lines over the past 30 to 40 years, nor have they seen an overall increase in the number of storms or changes in the average temperatures. If indeed the planet WAS warming, this would be a wonderful thing as it would open up millions of acres of new land for crop production and settlement. Our Canadian friends would love to have a bit of warming so they could quit coming down to the Gulf Coast each year!
You aren’t going to be yawning when left-wing liberal democrat taxmen and regulators mess up your life. They’re on track to tell you where you can live, what you can eat, when and where you can travel if at all. They want to tell you how many kids you can have and how long you will be allowed to live.
So yawn away. Just because Donald Trump got elected doesn’t mean they are going to go away. Not hardly!
Twenty-Three more days until President Trump puts and end to the nonsense!!!
We need a large countdown clock at NY Times Square…
Great summary Tony,
1.) 2016 had El Nino, so a temporary bump in temperature for year which is normal occasional weather pattern, not a change in climate. We knew this oscillation was going to happen a year ago and the propagandists would use it.
2.) You did not mention urban heat island effect which we know exists biasing land based weather station data up and that GISS and NOAA make no adjustment for it or ignores, and is responsible for some degree of “warming.”
3.) Adding growing deviation from NOAA or GISS reported adjusted data with RSS satellite data for lower troposphere is another point documenting the data tampering fraud.
Tony, can you please be hired to take Galvin (Goebbels) Schmidt’s job so we can return to science as opposed to government agencies being used as a propaganda mill supporting huge costly policies scapegoating CO2 on nonexistent global warming?
Would you take the job if offered?
“A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth.”
“If you tell the same lie enough times, people will believe it; and the bigger the lie, the better.”
“It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.”
“It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion.”
“The truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
“There will come a day, when all the lies will collapse under their own weight, and truth will again triumph.”
I keep coming back to this. It is undisputed in the scientific community that there were four ice ages in the past, each occurring hundreds of millions of years ago. During at least one of them, the Earth was covered in ice. So how did the Earth warm up? There was of course no man-made climate change hundreds of millions of years ago.
The best comment I ever heard recently was an expert is defined as a person who speaks with great authority when he doesn’t know what he is talking about. There are lies, damned lies and there is statistics
Norman Girouard says:
December 28, 2016 at 3:52 pm
“A moraine is a U shaped valley between two mountains formed by a glacier that melted away.”
No. A moraine is not the valley or gorge that the ice carved out but the material the glacier displaced when it is or was growing and advancing. A moraine is the debris a glacier piles up as it advances and that is left after it recedes marking it’s path and it’s extent.
As a glacier advances it chews up and pushes the rock and sediment over which it passes. Some of it is pushed to the sides marking the maximum lateral extent of the ice. A lot of it is pushed ahead of the advancing ice sheet. When the glacier recedes what is left it a pile of rocks and sediment marking the furthest advance of the ice and that is known as a terminal moraine.
A german professor has completely destroyed the data tampering that NASA has done.
it is translated at
The world is actually cooling right now not warming. We are entering the lowest solar cycle since they have been keeping records (cycle 24)
Even NASA own scientists say the sun is growing cold.
And Dr. Roy Spencer has shown satellite (which covers the whole world not just 3,000 weather stations) and weather balloon temperatures have fallen in the last 20 years to the 1990 level
The most important live ongoing research is on the Koppen line. (it shows zones of plant activity all over the world and what type of plants can survive in different zones, it does not rely on altered temperatures but the raw temperatures, which is what the plants and animals live in.
These Koppen lines are very important to crop and feed animal production (and to the very survival of mankind) The further south or lower the elevation of these line the less good farm land is available is and the less nutritive the grain crops are and the more the feed animals need to maintain and gain weight north of the line and higher elevation.
This line since the 1990 has moved 200 miles south across the midsection of the US and dropped as much a 500 feel in elevation in some places along the foothills.
Here is your Koppen map for the plains of the USA.
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Climate Central??? Any relationship to Comedy Central?
What you really need to understand is
1. Climate change /global warming or whatever made up terminology that is being used at the moment by the left has nothing to do with the climate. It is a scheme or vehicle that the left is using to redistribute wealth globally from “rich” countries to “poor” countries. The left/progressives/socialists/communists always work in the same way. First they use a red hearing such as global warming or Obama Care to scare the population or try to make them mad (they need to appeal to emotions and get any reason or logic out of the equation) and then they will step in and tell you that they have the solution to the problem, if only you will put them in charge (Daddy to the rescue) send them your money or vote for them etc.
2. As I mentioned in one above “Obama Care” is another example of this methodology only applied to inside a country instead of world wide. Obama Care has nothing to do with Health Care – it is another wealth redistribution scheme that is being applied inside a country instead of among countries. As you can see the left is not concerned at all with your health care or the climate these things are just tools/programs being used to redistribute wealth which is basically what the left does. Obama Care has made health care much worse but as I mentioned that was not the point of it so from the left’s perspective that is immaterial. In a like manner the “global warming” program will not make the climate better, it is not intended to do that, it will most likely make it worse if it has any effect at all. Neither of these programs are suppose to make your health care better or the climate better (whatever that means).
To better understand the left you have to understand what they mean by certain terminology. When they mention “social justice” they are really talking about wealth redistribution – so it was very instructive (he left the cat out of the bag so to speak) when I was watching Keith Ellison (as he runs for DNC chair) on C-SPAN the other day and he referred to “climate change” as “climate justice”.
NOAA is located in the peoples’ republic of Boulder CO. That should explain everything you need to know about them and NIST and NCAR. Boulder is beyond liberal/progressive and, they have the University of Colorado to produce some of the finest lefties money can buy. I know of what I speak.
True, but you must also give credit to the enlightened City Council and its policies protecting land values by limiting growth and keeping the rabble out. Boulder remains the most progressive white town within hundreds of miles. It’s been successfully defending the residents from nuclear attacks through its sophisticated strategic posture since it declared itself a nuclear free zone in 1985. With Boulder out of question the North Koreans will be left with no other option than to attack nearby Longmont or Louisville.
Boulder also has superior pot dispensaries and it provides the best protection for prairie dog colonies than any other municipality around.
Boulder tackles global climate change, nuclear weapons
City Council supports delegation to Copenhagen, joins anti-nuke group
And then, rapidly catching up to Boulder insane, is Fort Collins today, promising to be a totally green city, someday, at great expense.
This is called the”Carbon Hustle”.
Don’t know how reducing CO2 is going to improve our quality of life. In fact an ample CO2 supply ensures that plants can survive a drought by holding on to more of their inherent moisture.
If the dark side really wants to control global warming from excess pollution, then they can design a catalytic converter for a volcano. (There are 1500 active volcanoes every day).
Otherwise they can try to control sunspots and ocean currents, which do more to affect our climate than any other factors.
Well done. Fool a bunch of people who already don’t believe in reality with fake graphs. haha!
It is people like you who make me hope the descent into the next glaciation has already started. Since I have no children I think it would be very interesting to watch.
NEVE (old snow) is the start of glaciers and Scotland was glaciated during the Wisconsin Ice Age. The build up of NEVE in Scotland has started to increase…
I’m NOT a believer, but watching like you and looking for real data all the time. That is the problem and discussion we should be having! Release the TRUE and REAL data! When I was a kid the “great ice age” was something to worry about, but never came. Then they were saying global warming, and again I was alarmed. At some point, I was watching a seminar, sitting with bated breath to hear what we were doing exactly that was causing such chaos. When “carbon dioxide” was uttered, I thought, I must have heard wrong, couldn’t be. I do know some science and that is the most absurd thing I could have ever heard. Give me something else, CFC, carbon-monoxide, methane; but making CO2 fit because it matched some chart data and correlating that to global warming, telling the world, “the debate is over, ALL scientists agree.” But the same guy who said that had all these drop dead dates 2010, 2015, etc and it came to pass and no catastrophe. Reports of fake data, fake emails, collaboration, scientists who didn’t agree loosing funding, while others get extra funding for modifying data to fit. Really!?
Now I don’t disagree with your NEVE data, but I am asking, is that proof of man made change? Is it changing ocean currents which keep the EU weather stable? Is it because we are having a sun spot minimum right now, will NEVE decrease as we enter a new period of growing sun spots?
The scariest thing about the whole debate is if real science gets shuttered because it does not agree with the political reasoning of the time.
There was a giant push to clean the air quality of the US cities in the late 70’s into the 80’s. I’m not debating it was a good thing to clean up the air. But later scientist realized that the global wind currents were taking these particles of “pollution” from the US and carrying them over Africa where water could condense on them and it created rain and storms. After the US cleaned the air, these storms stopped and drought and famine occurred in areas of Africa. An unforeseen consequence of our actions.
We are towards the ‘end’ of the Holocene. The Milancovitch cycle calculations says it should end after 11,500 years and we are at ~11,720 years. The little Ice Age ‘should have been’ the start of glaciation according to the solar insolation in June @ 65N.
HOWEVER it is not that cut and dry. Some interglacials started with higher insolation and some with lower then we see at present. (see Lisieki and Raymo (wwwDOT)www.lorraine-lisiecki.com/LisieckiRaymo2005.pdf )
Tzedakis’ landmark review of the state of paleoclimate science’ also considers Ruddiman’s Early Anthropogenic Hypothesis In his concluding remarks Tzedakis says:
However Tzedakis, also took an exhaustive look at the MIS-1/MIS-11/MIS-19 conundrum and said:
So what happened to the end of the Holocene?
“A History of Solar Activity over Millennia” by Ilya G. Usoskin indicates the earth entered a Grand maxima of solar activity that yanked the earth out of cold storage.. (I linked above)
“A History of Solar Activity over Millennia” — A Review
Now the sun is entering a quiet period and even NASA noticed that while the total solar insolation has not changed much other characteristics, like how much high energy (ultra-violet) wavelengths DOES change.
NASA: SORCE’s Solar Spectral Surprise
Those changes are going to change ozone formation and destruction and that will change our weather.
Ozone and the THE BREWER-DOBSON CIRCULATION and
Regional atmospheric circulation shifts induced by a grand solar minimum
There is a many more papers that can be strung together showing:
Δ solar ==> Δ ozone ==>Δ wind ==>Δ wind driven Antarctic Circumpolar Current ==>Δ Humbolt (cold water) Current running up the side of South America ==> ENSO (La Nina/El Nino)
Δ solar ==> Δ ozone ==>Δ jet stream ==>Δ polar vortex
And many times you have to read the data underneath all the political hype.
This is such old news, olds as its called. John Coleman did an hour long program in 2010 or 11 on the local channel he was the weatherman on. He blew apart noaa and the goddard center for exactly this. They were placing temp reading stations where they shouldn’t have been, violating their very own protocol for placing official temp reading stations. Places like black top roofs of buildings, directly next to hot exhaust ports on structures etc. He also conducted interviews with scientists on both sides of the argument. As always, the pro global warming “scientists” sounded irrational and delusional and just about started drooling. Also, as Coleman was still in the middle of his presentation, he was getting calls from goddard to cease and desist immediately. That alone says a lot. Look it up if you can. It was on KUSI channel 9 news station San Diego, Ca about 2010/11.
Seems the whole Climate Change narrative is at a tipping point and it’s about to collapse under its own weight of BS and fraud. Hallelujah. If anyone took any of NOAA/NASA charts and analyzed it for 10 minutes, the amount of intentional misleading and fabricated “findings” slaps you in the face. People have succumbed to the lies because it’s easy to conflate environmental concerns and weather with the Climate. Thank God the EPA will go back to its original intent – monitoring the environment. There are a lot of ways to get the indoctrinated to begin to open their eyes and we should bombard them with simple, common-sense questions. For example:
1) If Humanity were tasked to move the course of the Jet Stream by 50 feet, for more than one second, and we had 30 years to try, could we? How?
2) the Earth’s surface is 72% oceans and 28% land. It’s spinning on its axis at over 1,000 mph, flying around at over 66,00o mph approaching and distancing itself from the Sun as it orbits. The Earth is 25,000 miles’ circumference, 4,000 mikes deep to its core, its atmosphere extends 62 mikes to space. We inhabit 1% of the land and have been industrialized for 100 years, not even a blip in the Earth’s 4.6 billion year timeline. Question: If the Earth were alive, would it even know we are living on it? For comparison to a human body, wouldn’t we be akin to one of the 100 trillion germs in our gut?
They accuse “deniers” of being anti-science yet to believe in Climate Change requires a suspension of rational thought.
When Obama stood on a glacier that has been receding since the last Ice Age and boldly pronounced that is receding, the media should have portrayed him as the jackass that he is.
Tony, does this analysis and conclusions also apply to temperature records here in Canada?
Yes it applies to Canada.
Canada – Top of the Hockey League (Part 1)
Canada – 2: GHCN/GISS Comparisons with Environment Canada
Climate Fast Food
(There is a lot more analysis by country at that site)
This sounds like the made up data J Kerry is using to slap Israel. God help them and us.
NASA rocket scientist, John Casey, has explained in his book, “Dark Winter”, that he has rediscovered (by examining existing data) what has been known by hundreds of independent scientists since the 1960s, that the sun goes through a hibernation cycle every 206 years. This has been validated back 1200 years. Also, there is a warming period just prior to the extreme cold period. The last one was around 1816 (Dalton Minimum), and we are into the next cold period. The cold, not heat, will cause crop failures, famine, and consequently, conflicts between nations. John Casey says we can expect temperatures colder than any living person on Earth has ever experienced. All leaders have known these facts, but decided to use this pattern to support redistribution of wealth so we can be equally miserable, and all progress will stop, with the elites in charge.
You might like to read A History of Solar Activity over Millennia
Thank you, good reference.
I forgot, the main side effect of the solar hibernation cycle is increased volcanic and earthquake activity. If you have been paying attention, you should have noticed that earthquakes have increased in the last year or two.
It’s just time for the democrats and climate changers to learn the scientific method, that of testing the data and then forming a hypothesis and then testing the hypothesis. They would rather put forth their BS and call people names who disagree with or don’t accept as gospel what they say.
following scientific method, research and a hypothesis come first, then testing of the data
I just figured it out!!!!
The snowflake liberals are claiming man-made global warming because they see that they are melting and can’t figure out another reason why!!
Where is Al Gore when we need him? Oh…right….we don’t need him….
When do the arrests begin?
This has nothing to do with “climate deniers” (whatever that is supposed to mean); rather, it has to do with “Lysenkoism deniers”.
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Sheep, lemmings, and Leftists are easily manipulated.
Looks like game, set, match to me. Now if we could just get the other side to shake hands, we can all move on with our lives and address actual pollution problems.
I’ve been saying this for years! If you really want to find the real reason for Global Warming/Climate Change hoax, simply…follow the money! Command and Control Globalist are behind the entire charade…and bankrolling every dime!
Globalists needed a global issue to justify hijacking freedoms worldwide. Global Warming was chosen because life, industry, and prosperity are all carbon-dependent everywhere on earth. The term “Climate Change” was then peddled because greater numbers of scary phenomena can be rolled into it as needed to spread fear and achieve acquiescence from the populace.
I’m bracing for the impending Climate Stasis…
I’m SURE the science was settled long ago. Climatology as a discipline has been fraught with disreputable and corrupt beings with the ‘title’ of scientist misusing it for personal gain. They are already known, proven liars. Anything they say now about the climate is already known to be and accepted as a lie based on lots and lots of precedent. They’ve always lied. They lie now. They always will lie…
The United States comprises about 2 percent of the globe. There is a reason it’s called global warming, not USA warming.
So, if the planet isn’t warming, why is all that ice melting? This is from NSIDC:
“Sea Ice Hits Record Lows. Average Arctic sea ice extent for November set a record low, reflecting unusually high air temperatures, winds from the south, and a warm ocean. Since October, Arctic ice extent has been more than two standard deviations lower than the long-term average. Antarctic sea ice extent quickly declined in November, also setting a record low for the month and tracking more than two standard deviations below average during the entire month. For the globe as a whole, sea ice cover was exceptionally low.”
By the way, I voted for Trump, so please, no leftist, liberal accusations…
The US comprises 6% of the world and 40% of its reporting stations. And what’s your obsession with the poles? The Arctic is influenced by ocean currents that originate in the tropics. Ditto for the coastal regions of the Antarctic. Go 15 miles inland and you temps are -30 to -55 deg F.
My obsession with the poles? Because if we lose the Greenland Ice Sheet, we lose many of our major cities…
This graphic says it all:
Yea it’s just burning up in Greenland!
And the current surface mass budget is setting records for the era this year. So what was you were worrying about?
Yep, it shows Greenland with a cold anomaly..
Your point is ??
And here is the REALITY of the Greenland total Ice mass since 1900.
Yep and you can just see that sun beating down there now can’t you? Current web cam image from summit station, Greenland.
Here is the real story,Michael:
The Rapid Deceleration Of Greenland Ice Sheet Mass Loss In Recent Years Not Reported In ‘Arctic Report Card’
At the rate of loss,it would take around 10,000 years for it to melt away,which wont happen anyway since the main interior bulk is too cold for that.
From Ron Clutz,who bothers to do the math,
“So if that 200 Gton rate continued, an assumption not warranted by observations below, that ice loss would result in a 1% loss of Greenland ice in 800 years. ”
Michael, I’m sure you know that Greenland is not at the pole and its ice sheet has little to do with Arctic sea ice.
Have ever done at least a back of a napkin calculation how much heat over what period of time it would take to melt the Greenland ice sheet? Have you ever looked at the shape of the underlying Greenland bedrock? How much ice has been added there during this latest supposedly hot Arctic period?
I’d say obsessing about a possible asteroid impact makes way more sense if one worries about the fate of coastal cities, and we may use the wasted “global warming” money to develop a defense against them.
Complete bull sh..t
Tony, allows 4 links so here are four scientific papers refuting what you say.
Ice free Arctic Ocean, an Early Holocene analogue.
New insights on Arctic Quaternary climate variability
A peer-reviewed paper published in the Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences finds that Arctic sea ice extent at the end of the 20th century was more extensive than most of the past 9000 years. The paper also finds that Arctic sea ice extent was on a declining trend over the past 9000 years, but recovered beginning sometime over the past 1000 years and has been relatively stable and extensive since. SEE:
Holocene fluctuations in Arctic sea-ice cover Byrd Polar Research Center, Ohio State University
Holocene fluctuations in Arctic sea-ice cover: dinocyst-based reconstructions for the eastern Chukchi Sea
Temperature of the CLIMATE of the Holocene
True Arctic ice is currently below the average as documented in the era of Satellites. It has been at lower levels times in the past, and even as recently as in the 1920s. Did man cause that? Perhaps a little study of the history would help you to put the current event into more proper perspective? BTW just a few years ago Antarctic sea ice set a new all time high during the satellite record. Was that due to global warming?
It’s natural man! Arctic ice is effected by many things and can change quite quickly. Usually when there is a precipitous drop it’s due to storms breaking up the ice sheets making it easier to melt and be carried into warmer waters by currents. In this case this winter the heat is in the water. The great regulators of earths temperatures are the oceans. We just came out of a “super” El Nino followed by a very warm year. The warm water is being transported towards the N. Pole by the Gulf Stream in the Atlantic and the Alaskan current in the Pacific. That energy is being released into the atmosphere and thus the warmer than average Arctic temperatures. The atmosphere is at it’s thinnest at the poles of this planet so that energy is transmitted to space. It is a natural cooling process and NOT the mechanism predicted to cause warming at the at the Arctic by global warming theory. Give it a little time. The ice will recover and in fact is not nearly as reduced as the NSIDC is saying. Look at what the DMI shows.
You really need to get some perspective.
1979 was actually an extreme for Arctic sea ice.. It was up there with the extremes of the LIA. So yes, it has recovered somewhat from that extreme.
During the first 3/4 of the Holocene the Arctic was often summer sea ice free. It really is a matter of looking at more than the short term historic perspective and realising that Arctic is only just out of its coldest period in the whole 10,000 year of the current interglacial. Normal sea ice levels before the LIA were actually a lot lower.
This year, the jet stream has been pushing less cold air up through passed Iceland , which is effecting ice growth in the Kara Sea region, but that same jet stream pattern has also trapped a huge area of anomalously cold air over northern Russian. Ie Its a WEATHER pattern. nothing to do with any “global” anything.
And despite this less cold air and water in the Kara Sea, the Arctic sea ice extent, as given by NSIDC, is only 0.12 Wadhams (1 Wadham = 1 million km²) below the previous short term minimum, (in 2010) and is likely to catch up over the next week or so.
You guys are hilarious. Hundreds of people who have no education in climatology are going to say that ALL true scientists are wrong because they know better.
The good news about it is that you guys make no true difference in the world. If any of you rose to a position of power over a policy of climate change, you would have to face the facts, and your carefully balanced house of conspiracies would come crashing down.
So yeah, don’t vaccinate your kids, keep fluoride out of the water, and shout about fake climate change all you want. The adults will take care of you while you whine.
fine…as long as you guys eat organic we’ll make it
Brand, it’s December 28. Did you take a nap through the election?
on point – ignorance is rampant
True, but fortunately the ignorant were beaten back on November 8.
Scott Pruitt is knowledgeable and experienced.
We know thru at least 1.6 million years of geological data that increased CO2 concentrations follow rises in temperature. Opposing this empirical definitive data is a barely one hundred year old THEORY that suggests the opposite. There are hundreds of unsubstantiated projections none of which have been anywhere near accurate that elevated CO2 concentration cause temperature increases. Both cannot be true. Would you be so kind as to provide a link to the study that proves the theory? I’ve been looking for it for decades.
All TRUE scientists… roflmao.
Most self-called climate scientists are barely scientists at all.
You have fallen for propaganda pre-lim.
Just say “DOH!” to yourself. !!!
Brand – I think you’ll find there are a lot of commenters with serious quals.
Mine is a PhD in chemistry, several decades in R&D with lots of experience with stats, modelling and thermodynamics.
I’ve been coming to Tony’s blog since 2009, he rarely is wrong.
Most of the global temperature rise since 1900 is due to solar effects, especially on cloud cover, and oceanic cycles. CO2 has so little effect that it is harmless, yet we’re spending trillions on it which could be used for health care, employment and whatever.
Hi Bruce, Good to see you check Tony’s work as well.
I have very rarely found any major issues with his calculations.
Sometimes a minor disagreement with how he presents it….
….. but he is trying to catch climate trolls, and is very successful at it.. ;-)
Brand Gamblin, do you realize how many UNPAID scientists comment here and back up what Tony says?
It is YOU who can do nothing but toss out ad. homs and strawman arguments. Look at all the links to peer reviewed scientific papers above that I have cited.
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This is all Obama legacy building. If the data does not show “global warming” then he has his agencies manufacture data to prove his point. He came into office on lies (“Hope & Change,” transparency, closing Gitmo, ending the war(s) if it took surrender) and he is going out of office on lies (I could have defeated Trump, we have proven “global warming” and this we must TAX global warming.) I am not sure which between Obama and H. Clinton is the worse liar but any legacy will prove that they truly are LIARS.
You guys keep denying Global Warming, no I mean Cooling, wait no Climate Change that’s it. Anyway, if you guys keep denying it then the terrorists will win. Or were Guns and Police to blame for terrorism? Man the last eight years have been confusing…….
ANYTHING – just ANYTHING that can be used as a pretense for the Big Gov’t CONTROL FREAKS in Washington and the U.N. to relieve us of our $$!
ANYTHING – just ANYTHING that can be used as a pretense for the Big Gov’t CONTROL FREAKS in Washington and the U.N. to relieve us of our $$!
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Give me a trillion dollars or so and I will prove Obama is an alien.
Get out of town, Jim. I’ll do it for half that money.
Hmm. I am a bit skeptic about extreme mildness. I truly believe (that means 100% knowledge for leftists) that we should be afraid, very afraid of Climate Unchange. We need to fight the Global Climate Unchange (GCU) with all our forces. No more bicycles or cars, SUV or non-SUV, no more carbon or non-carbon, please more taxes to save us all.
GCU needs commitement!
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We’ve known this for decades. Maybe now something will be done about it. Have you ever noticed how when we break a warm record, the media starts screaming climate change, yet when we break a cold record they nonchalantly call it a cold snap?
well, actually, nowadays, they call it a ‘polar vortex’ generated by George Bush and Global Warming.
Warm & Storms are climate. Most everything else is weather. Warmer than average in the Arctic = Climate. Super record setting cold in N. Asia = weather. The exception being extreme cold or new record snows in the US NE, then that also is caused by a warming climate.
YOU MADE IT TO DRUDGE BIG TIME …BRO!
Ahhh…. that explains the huge increase in posters. !
And then Zero Hedge!
Global Warming pays progressives! This is the only reason this phony science is being forced down our throats. You could call it one massive BJ.
I would have to say any scientist from NOAA, East Anglia or Mr. Mann & Co. from Penn State should begin taking some remedial training in areas such as fixing cars, computers, bagging groceries or some such. Your profiting off of ignorance is over folks.
If you took the entire population of the earth and placed it in Texas and New Mexico, you would have a population density less than New York City. Do the math, l did. With that much of the land mass unoccupied, does it make sense that climate change is affected by humans?
Victor. I’m from Australia.
Its good to see you have put the photo the right way up, assuming you are in the US somewhere. ;-)
where is the claim that the NOAA data is fake derived from? could someone please provide a reliable source?
The United States Historical Climatology Network = USHCN
As labelled on the graphs.
Gail, Paul doesn’t want to know where the data’s from but it also doesn’t seem he’d read Tony’s post.
It for others who might also want to know Colorado.
I thought so, Gail. There are many new readers here today.
+1.5 degrees in the past 150 years.
What this tells me is that in the year 2230 I might have to plant my tomatoes in late early May, instead of mid-May.
Yes. And that is a good thing. you will be able to eat them earlier.
No surprise here, even when I check the weather on their site they are still pushing lies on climate in other areas, and if you dont check shame on you.
This does not jive with the experience on the ground…why is it now above freezing at the north pole while it is colder in the upper 48?
You’re in idiot. It’s currently about 255K or about -1F at 80dg north.
Gonzo, you have to be a bit careful with the DMI data.
It gives the average temperature above 80N, some areas will be much colder, some will be warmer.
CR gives what is probably a reasonable idea what is happening.
You can see the tongue of slightly less cold water push toward Svalbard. This is what has been slowing down the Arctic Sea Ice freeze in the Kara Sea but it is gradually retreating.
But look at the intense cold over northern Russia and the Greenland archipelago area.
Its just a WEATHER event due to the wobbly jet stream.. nothing more. Has happened before.. not particularly unusual.
You can also see that the North Pole is probably about -20ºC
It is NOT above freezing at the North Pole, probably closer to around -20ºC
You are falling for very basic, fact-free MSM propaganda.
The extreme heat places like CA had, were always preceeded by days of aerosol dumps. Why is no-one addressing geoengineering? It is poisoning us and the planet. Watch yet another storm blocked to CA via our govt here.
“Let’s remember where we live. We live on the third planet from a medium size sun. Our planet is five billion years old and it is changing constantly all during that time. The earth is now in its third atmosphere.
The first atmosphere was helium and hydrogen. It dissipated early on because the planet was so hot. Then, as the planet cooled volcanic eruptions produced a second atmosphere of steam and carbon dioxide. Later the water vapor condensed to form the oceans that cover most of the planet. Then, about three billion years ago some bacteria evolved to consume carbon dioxide and excrete a highly toxic gas, oxygen. Other bacteria released nitrogen. The atmospheric concentration of these gases slowly increased. Organisms that could not adapt died out.
Meanwhile the planet’s land masses floating on huge tectonic plates eventually came together in a configuration that interfered with the circulation of ocean currents. It began to get cold for the first time. The first ice appeared 2 billion years ago.
And for the last seven hundred thousand years, our planet has been in a geological ice age, characterized by advancing and retreating glacial ice. No one is entirely sure why, but ice now covers the planet every hundred thousand years, with smaller advances every twenty thousand or so. The last advance was twenty thousand years ago, so we’re due for the next one.
And even today, after five billion years, our planet remains amazingly active. We have five hundred volcanoes, and an eruption every two weeks. Earthquakes are continuous: a million and a half a year, a moderate Richter 5 quake every six hours, a big earthquake every ten days. Tsunamis race across the Pacific Ocean every three months.
Our atmosphere is as violent as the land beneath it. At any moment there are one thousand five hundred electrical storms across the planet. Eleven lightning bolts strike the ground each second. A tornado tears across the surface every six hours. And every four days, a giant cyclonic storm, hundreds of miles in diameter, spins over the ocean and wreaks havoc on the land.
The nasty little apes that call themselves human beings can do nothing except run and hide. For these same apes to imagine they can stabilize this atmosphere is arrogant beyond belief. They can’t control the climate.
The reality is, they run from the storms.”
Just in case those reading this haven’t been paying attention. The subject of the post was “100% Of US Warming Is Due To NOAA Data Tampering”. Now did you notice how some started turning the discussion to ice at the Poles and world temperature? That Global warming/climate change sure gets around now doesn’t it? It is where ever he weather or conditions at the time seem to provide some excuse or arguing Man is a fault and everywhere and everything else is ignored. Just for once try looking at the places where the magician is not directing your attention. You might see how the trick is done then.
I noticed it and I see that some commenters either didn’t read Tony’s post or didn’t understand it. That is my charitable explanation but having seen over the years the methods used by partisan alarmist liars, I suspect that at least some of them know exactly what he’s showing and are consciously obfuscating because they have nothing else to offer in response.
The increase in black population is causing climate change
Is NOAA guilty of creating fake news? Maybe Hillary should be notified.
Trump is correct for condemning the Globalist, Progressive, Liberal, Socialist multi-$trillion/year Carbon Tax on Everything fraud – KLIMATE KAOS! Trump ought to be President! Patience.
Two NASA reports document more than 3%!more Antarctic ice between 2002 and 2015. There is also a government report that there is more arctic ice last year than the year before. It is also well known, scientifically, that icebergs are more than 65% submerged. When such an iceberg melts the level of water goes down since ice occupies more volume than the water it contains. At most there is no effect on sea level. The rise in sea level would occur if land ice melts. Since 90% of the land ice in the world is estimated to be contained in antarctica, the NASA reports are very significant.
To those who maintain that 97% of scientists agree in the man-.made global warming hypothesis, I like to see the proof. The model that hypothesizes that temperature rise is correlated with increased CO 2 in the atmosphere needs to explain the increasing gap between model predictions and observed data on the low side over the last 17 years. Whether or not man made increase in CO2 has a contribution to average earth temperature rise, the model created from past data regression analysis seems to be incomplete and adjusting observed data after the fact creates more than a little doubt that the model is flawed.
Global warming, created by man is not possible…….
it would be like trying to heat your house with a match.
Depends what you set the match to. :-)
Do not try this at home !!
Ah, positive feedback! Set the match to the curtains and run!
Every ‘Earth Day’ prediction has failed spectacularly.
None of those ‘Climate Change Environmental Predictions’ of the last 47 years have come true…
Dang! I hate it when the world ends and I miss it.
Happens every time, too. EVERY…SINGLE…TIME!
They will say it is fake, but accurate. Like all “evidence” the left invents to support their accusations against mankind.
So when are these fraudsters who have cost the people in the Western world Trillions in additional costs going to be put on trial and sent to prison and the key thrown away?
I’ve always known human caused global warming was a con and a myth since years ago when I heard libs say one time too many “it’s a settled science no longer subject to debate or discussion.” Yep, lost me real quick. Same with evolution. Don’t ever tell me it’s ‘settled science not subject to debate.” I know you’re lying then.
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The author is a stupid fuck denier…you people are pathetic
Poor Daniel.. sinks to the bottom of the sewer.
You will meet many of your fellow brain-washed AGW cultists down there.
Exactly the kind of reaction one would expect from a person that believes his religion attacked don’t you think? I think that when the Trump Team get busy dismantling the temples and exposing the oracles in them this guy should be put on a watch list.
“should be put on a MENTAL watch list.”
Are there enough strait-jackets available?
We are going to need about 100 million strait-jackets Andy.
Progressivism as a mental illness
Dispute the data on the post or just go away.
Thoughtful response, Daniel. We would expect nothing less.
Bless your heart, Daniel.
The author is a stupid fuck denier…you people are pathetic…
…winning the war of words huh?
Daniel Harper, just acknowledged he is a “stupid fuck” lysankoist who just lost the debate.
Swearing and Temper Tantrums are the only way Progressives have of acknowledging defeat because Daddy and Mommy never taught them to be good sports or to actually grow up.
another counterpoint free warmist bullcrap, from sweet daniel.
He didn’t even say what Tony is denying……
This post was picked up by Drudge. That explains the mass of unfamiliar posters. Great job Tony!
WHY are we still talking about this BS when we have the Russians to thank for “hacking” into East Anglia University’s emails that EXPOSED the plot for “global warming?” NASA/NOAA and the Dems have been pushing this “money grab hoax” for years and people around the globe are onto it!
Russia doesn’t need to bother to hack. Instead they off a site that ‘breaks the trail’ for the cops trying to trace who the Whistleblower was. Unfortunately they figured out Seth Rich leaked the DNC leaks so now he is dead and Assange is offering a reward for info leading to the arrest of the murderer.
Russia is being made the boogie man because he tossed George Soros arse out of Russia and posted an international warrant out for him
Once again, Gail, you are correct.
I am more liberal than conservative on many issues. I do remember my favorite prof in college (he was an agnostic and extreme California/Mother Jones liberal who I admired and still do, though we have lost contact). He convinced me to make chemistry my major since I seemed to excel in it and found it more interesting than biology. He was a great scientist who drilled into me the idea that it is the scientist’s job to look for flaws in data, to be skeptical until something is proven repeatedly and independently. To ignore or dismiss real data is unscientific, no matter how uncomfortable the data is. Those who ignore data to support a hypothesis or theory are exhibiting faith, which is unscientific. I find this website to be truly scientific, which is why it is refreshing. The sad fact is that any scientist in any field who is truly observant of the world around him knows that science has been corrupted by money. Those who fund have vested interests. Those who receive funding also have vested interests. Those who love science and accept the data no matter where it leads them are unfortunately castigated, and made fun of far too frequently. A true liberal would see through what passes nowadays as “climate science”. I love Pope Francis and so many of his views, but as a fellow chemist and scientist, I’m afraid he’s been mislead. It pains me to see him being used. The scientific community was much more trustworthy when he got his degree in chemistry than it is now. Thank you for this article Tony Heller, and thank you for this website.
Which is why we have to support Mr. Heller. I know honest scientist are struggling. Government grants have all but disappeared. If we want the truth it’s going to cost us..
The globalists are shameless! If global warming were the least bit true, they would NOT NEED THOUSANDS of “political scientists” to attest to “their” facts, and to issue dire warnings!
FACT: Political scientists are those folks who seek degree majors with very little math. They then become either (1) political operatives) or (2) lawyers.
How do I know this for a fact? Because I am one of them! Yes, I am a “political scientist” and I would NOT believe my figures on global warming (or cooling for that matter) due to my natural reluctance to include math in my life, on a daily basis.
What pisses me off is the NOAA website. In order to get a simple local forecast you have to wade through blaring headlines about how warm we are and how it portends doom. Give it a rest.
I don’t like this article. Not because I disagree with it out because it’s “wrong” or because I’m a liberal idiot… but because now I don’t have a reason to buy a Tesla that I would have used on my wife.
(the reason, not the Tesla.)
The problem is not insurance. It’s not the premiums a private co decides to charge. Its not rather it’s public or private. It’s the fact that a service should cost so much that you need insurance to subsidise it. Insurance at best should be for major medical issue. It is not private companies responsibility to have to take you on and pay a bill for a condition you had before you decided to do buisness with them. It it the fault of previous us governmants that made or maniuplated law to suit the pharmasutical and insurance industry instead of looking out for the best interest of its people. How many of your grand parents had medical ins? How many of your great grand parents did? Maybe there should be more regulation on what a hospital can charge for an asprin. Our government has allowed these robber barrens to hold us at gunpoint because it’s a need, not a want. Do you think if there were no such thing as insurance co’s that drs and hospitals would all go out of buisness? Just like taxes. you pay them because they’ve always been there??? Or have they. This country was founded because another country was at the same point we are right now, and its people got fed up with paying more than its fair share. You can never be free of the us government. You will never owwn a piece of of land without a tax bill attached.
Sorry, off topic from many post ago.
P.S. global warming fake….if you buy into it, you get what you deserve.
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Two photos of DEWLine station DYE-3. One taken in 1964. (Was abandoned in 1989.)
Next taken in 2006. So the ice cap is melting?
Scammers caught scamming?! I’m shocked?! Shocked, I tell ya?!
The interesting twist in the scam is that it is essentially the same authorities that have ravaged and butchered much of the world under the guise of “cheap ‘fossil’ energy” that are now telling us that we need to pay more for “fossil” energy to “save the planet.”
What a load of what bulls leave behind.
An American citizen, not US subject.
“This is known as PBEM (Policy Based Evidence Making.)”
If you want to create acronyms, at least make them good ones….try “Policy Based Data Synthesis”…sounds better.
What is with these guys? Would somebody please explain to me why these climate change eightballs are so rabid about all climate variations being anthropogenic? What do they get out of it? Where is their payoff? Do they really want to return to a pre-industrial revolution technology and population level?
WHAT IS IN IT FOR THE BANKS?
Hey Bad, here are a few quotes from these guys:
Then there is Christiana Figueres, the Executive Secretary of UNFCCC, who said on multiple occasions that the “fight against climate change” is about the transformation of the world economy and redistribution.
*) The “science” journal Nature calls Edenhofer The Climate Chairman.
**) The original interview in German can be found here:
Klimapolitik verteilt das Weltvermögen neu
Klimaschutz hat mit Umweltschutz kaum mehr etwas zu tun, sagt der Ökonom Ottmar Edenhofer. Der nächste Weltklimagipfel in Cancún sei eigentlich ein Wirtschaftsgipfel, bei dem es um die Verteilung der Ressourcen gehe.
Interview: Bernhard Pötter
Neue Zürcher Zeitung
Edenhofer is second from right, next to Pachauri:
You see, Edenhofer “spent his savings at the age of 14 on the three volumes of Das Kapital by Karl Marx” but he says it “didn’t turn him into an ardent Marxist” …
I reckon the Climate Chairman is just your normal, run-of-the-mill kind of Marxist like the rest of the progressive academia.
Forgot to append photos…Google dye 3.
Always warmer when you got your head up your @$$
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Obama repurposed NASA to study climate change, not to focus on space programs. Now the NASA web site is nothing but climate data supplied by people who never studied space travel, and who have jobs that depend upon them proving that climate change is a real thing.
That way you don’t pay any attention to all those monster roman candles they regularly shoot off in the atmosphere filling it with toxins and their own vast volumes of carbon since most of their fuel is carbon.
Notice the wonderful VERY REAL chemtrails these monster firecrackers deliver PER LAUNCH… https://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/what-is-the-carbon-footprint-of-the-space-program.html
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The REAL Agenda for one-world-order?
“We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy” said ex-UN’s Edenhofer.
search “Global Temperatures: (2500 BC to 2040 AD) – The Man Made Global Warming Hoax”
“Global Warming / Climate Change Hoax – Dr. Roy Spencer (1)”
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Want to win a BET? Ask people what they think the CO2 % is of our atmosphere:
% by volume
78.0840 = Nitrogen
20.9476 = Oxygen
0.9340 = Argon
0.0314 = Carbon Dioxide
actually CO2 is around 0.04% by volume, or 0.06% by weight
I assume the others have altered in the 2nd or 3rd decimal place.
I never figured out how all that CO2 got there since life started on mars where there is no water nothing but CO2 and sub zero temperatures, those super intelligent microbes must have done a mass swap and took the atmosphere from Mars and changed it with Earth.
A pure CO2 atmosphere which on rare occasions can reach the freezing point vs an atmosphere of 0.000314 CO2 is catching on fire and boiling the oceans dry…oh wait its just flooding the earth with more water…
So what if all the seaside cities flood?
Those idiots had no business building cities there in the first place.
NASA wants to talk about mars trips and tera forming?
Spend those billions on making the deserts into fertile land where they can live and raise food, but they don’t give a damn about people they care only of destroying everything with lies.
Seems they find it better to strew our junk all over pristine space than make life livable for humans right here on spaceship earth.
I’m all for renewable energy, but not because I fear global warming.
I’m in favor of every person being able to get their own power directly and for free from the environment without global banks, corrupt governments and billion dollar corporations making an unjust profit off them.
On top of all of that, those petrocarbons are so poisonous that common every day motor oil, gasoline and diesel fuel are known contact carcinogens and will lead to many non-carcinogenic health symptoms in their lungs, skin and nervous system.
Coal fills the air with mercury and cadmium which rains down in everybody’s water from the clouds until many lakes in Minnesota give mercury warning so pregnant women limit their intake of fish caught in them. These lakes are all down wind of major South Dakota coal fired power stations.
Of course there’s all that CLEAN nuclear power over in Fukushima…California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, Chile, Venezuela, Honduras, Panama, Mexico, Argentina, and basically everywhere else as it travels the world’s oceans…
By becoming a massively industrialized world, global warming is the LEAST of our problems and one of the EASIEST to adjust for, SHOULD it ever happen!
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Insurance is a scam. The concept that we can pool our resources to cover the occasional accident and profit by this is flawed in principle. It is a foolish belief that we can get everyone else to pay for our problems. The only ones to profit are the insurance companies and the people that engage in fraud. Personally, I have no insurance of any type except minimal auto, and that only because men with guns have the power to arrest me and force me to pay one thousand dollars per offense for not having it. I treat it much as if I had to pay off a highwayman to pass or if I chose to pay a kid not to break my windows. It is theft. It is extortion.
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Where does the graph that shows the “raw” and “final,” data come from. There’s no citation and it’s basically the foundation for the whole article
I believe he’s downloading it from here: ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2.5/
I haven’t had a chance to do a comparison myself
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The only solution for global warming is for all those who believe to end their existence, to show how much they really believe the science. If a few dozen high visibility believers ended their carbon wasting existence, many would take notice, including me. Saying “have no children” or don’t use x, y or z means nothing to people who struggle to make it day by day. Only through the ultimate sacrifice of the their own life for the future of mankind and the planet will anyone listen to what they are saying. Listening to someone claim their life will be over in 20-40 years because of an election calls for the only real solution, culling the herd.
Thanks for your support!
Global depopulation is one of the major evil schemes of the super elite of the NWO and to do that they want us to 1, legislate our own demise, 2, be so scared we will give up everything to conform and 3, rat out anybody who will not conform.
If this is not enough, they create wars and terror organizations to mass murder even more people causing all of the deadly after effects of those, including mass panic, starvation, pandemic diseases, financial collapse, anarchy and mental collapse.
This is clear evidence of a fraud. CO2’s absorption of IR between 13 and 18µ is a logarithmic relationship, not linear. They are clearly trying to make a linear relationship where there isn’t one. This is clear evidence of massaging the data to get a conclusion that has no basis with the actual physics of the GHG effect.
All you need to do to understand the controversy is read some of the East Anglia University email leaks from 2009. These were the UN Climate Panel guys that shared the Nobel prize with Al Gore. The emails were about how to fool the suckers for one more day and avoid Freedom of Info requests. I know that there scads of “fact checkers” that said everything was A OK. My favorite explanation was that when Phil Jones… the head of the panel used the word “trick” it has a different meaning in England than in America…..Got it!!! Why is it that when Liberals have email leaks it is a huge tragedy. Conservatives don’t seem to have that problem?
Global warming — or climate change, or climate disruption, or whatever they’re calling it this month — is nothing more than a hoax so liberals can boss us around and take our stuff.
The indisputable fact, though is that there is no context in which “hide the decline” can be construed to mean anything except “falsify the data.”
The real problem is we are soft on crime. Criminals committing ‘research’ fraud don’t expect to lose their assets and spend the rest of their life in prison. This needs to change.
I would love to see criminal charges brought against Jerry Brown, Tom Steyer, Al Gore etc..I live in California we’ve been paying for this scam for 30 years.
Vendicar Decarian says:
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Vendicar Decarian put up the same graph from NOAA’s Climate at a Glance six times telling us that 2016 was the warmest ever. Well it all depends on what you look at. If it’s maximum summer temperatures, you know, how hot did it actually get? instead of averages, you get a different answer. Weather stations record the high and the low for the day. Taking the average essentially tosses most of the information out the window. After all, the average of 49 and 51 is 50 and the average of 1 and 99 is also 50. The average temperature for the planet is about as significant as the average telephone number in New York. Well anyway, if you look at the maximum summer temperatures for June through September and ask the question how far back is the trend negative, it comes out to be 1930. Here’s how that looks at NOAA’s Climate at a Glance:
RSS JJAS showing 2016 is nowhere near 1998
SCRATCH THAT GRAPH..
I grabbed the wrong lines, its JASO
Here is JJAS
Coming soon to not-a-mainstream-media-source near you . . . in just a few months a peer-reviewed paper will be published that torpedoes the math used to compute how rising carbon dioxide leads to an accelerated increase in temperature.
The whole thing has always been a scam. A lot of us know its been a scam. Whenever we’ve called attention to their doctored data, they just circle the wagons and depend of the MSM to keep selling their lies.
However, trust in the media has been dropping steadily. They simply won’t be able to help keep the game going for much longer. Even Politicians are wary of the scam because the tough questions are being asked and the MSM no longer has their back.
Lord Christopher Monckton has been debunking global warming for years. Now he’s going after the math that keeps it going. Look for recent interviews about how findings on YouTube. Science trumps wishful thinking. It’s over.
Yah see the left can even tell the truth about the temperature. ..
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Thankful to real scientist that can’t be bribed..I’m from California we still have a huge fight ahead. Brown for some reason feels he can accept all federal money when it fits his agenda. Now thinks he can rule on his own. It’s almost comical but he believes it. Steve in my eyes you’re a star…My hero. :)
I find it most informative how selective the corporate media (that includes PBS btw) is about reporting research on the issue. For instance this from Texas A&M
ignored by all the networks even as they howl over what they call the “polar vortex” which is simply the derangement of the Northern Pacific storm track (where our North American weather comes from) due to…the massive gas from Asia, which is really the new development in the last few decades. NatGeo the lone exception in picking up this story.
There is a pattern of editing out stories unfavorable to China. The techsters like Tax-Dodge Timmy fly around in private jets and then lecture the rest of us on greenhouse gas when all their production is in….China. I thought it was particularly offensive how they all had a big meet-up at an exclusive Carolina resort on the subject of how to Stop Trump. Couldn’t they have had a conference call? I mean if anybody has the bandwidth to spare….
And for all the people who can’t resist dragging ACA into this, I wish “single payer” could come true like you imagine but if you really believe it’s a panacea just take a look at the atrocity exhibition at the VA! We are mired in crisis first and foremost because of self-destructive habits by tens of millions of people. Just look up the obesity stats and see the demography of the fattest. There’s your problem. My county is one of the poorest in California and yet 36% of the hospital admits are diabetics!
WHY! OH! WHY! Do they post articles like this with all the squiggly graphs and stuff?
All they do is liss off the piberals and cause buttwound!
Because scientists use graphs and most of us regulars have degrees in science.
Sorry you are too ignorant to understand a graph.
Have science degree and masters! Yes, I can make statistics lie and skew to what ever way I want. Because statistics are only approximations to the model and models are only limited approximations to what is being measured or predicted. Those of use that can determine and avoid type I and II errors can also steer them to our advantage. What’s ethics when Billions of dollars are at stake…
Have science degree and masters as usual! Yes, I can make statistics lie and skew to what ever way I want. Because statistics are only approximations to the model and models are only limited approximations to what is being measured or predicted. Those of use that can determine and avoid type I and II errors can also steer them to our advantage. What’s ethics when Billions of dollars are at stake…
Climate Change was never an issue meant to address a real problem, it was a manufactured crisis meant to coerce working class people into accepting a false premise which would grant the state the right to arbitrarily redefine and impose limits on our liberty and ability to prosper in a free society.
Imagine if someone made a claim that a crisis was imminent and we were all in real danger. Later, someone realizes that there isn’t a problem, and a collective sigh of relief spreads over the people trying to deal with it. Not so with Climate Change. Here, when the premise of the crisis turns out to be false, the people who should be relieved that the crisis is not real defecate in their collective drawers and act like hemped up loons ready to all but round up and put the “deniers” on trial.
Don’t give in to either their premise or the sincerity of their motives. They are liars and always have been.
It amazes me how insane you all are! Your racist ignorance will bring this country to it’s knees and all the guns in the world won’t help you. I’d advise you all start brushing up on your Russian and/or Cantonese. It’s a toss up as to which will be your new master. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
Perhaps Rick would prefer an Islam caliphate or even worse….
a moronic Kenyan Marxist or social femanista president.
It amazes me,that warmist clods like Rick,can’t bring up a decent counterpoint to the blog post.
They instead utter stupid dried up babblings that are waaaaay off topic,because they are so IGNORANT!
Rick, I promise I will never say you didn’t warn me. I will also let my friends and neighbors know that you did.
When we had an Ice Age, what brought us out of it? Global warming, right? And did humans have ANYTHING to do with the global warming at that time, NOOOOOOO. So it’s normal for the earth to go through warm and cold periods regardless of our human activity. Those poor souls who need to have a cause to make themselves feel relevant should get involved in some worthwhile cause.
98 out of 100 scientists who study climate-related sciences agree global warming is a problem and is caused by humans. If 98 doctors tell you to get treated for cancer and two doctors tell you not to worry about it, who are you going to listen to? Surely, if you listen to the two, you are going to die. This isn’t a debate anymore. If you think the economy is more important than the environment, try holding your breath while you count your money. This article is totally absurd.
Tony, I hope you get a chance to read this — given there are over 600 comments as I write this.
I agree with the “moron alert” and he is most likely a real moron. But I have been in the education business for over four decades and I can tell you that at least two generations have been fed propaganda about CO2 going to fry the planet since they were in kindergarten. At that propaganda is effective.
It is time for you to do another big post on why man-made CO2 is NOT going to fry us all and why the current temperatures are nothing unusual. This time make the post easy to understand for even middle school kids. Make it educational so non-leftist teachers can point to it.
Keep up the good work.
I have tyo agree, Tony.
ANYONE GULLIBLE and STUPID enough to actually believe the 97% scam
(this twerp can’t even get the fake number correct)..
…..really is likely to be in the single digit IQ, MORON bracket !!!
Another dumb warmist who babbles and babbles,but says NOTHING!
Nothing about the post itself could this Vegetable Stock talk about at all. When they have no counterpoint to offer,then you know they have Nothing!
Jesse, would you please stop breathing out 40,000ppm of CO2.
Actually , no.. the atmosphere needs a lot more CO2.. upward of 1000ppm CO2 would be ideal.
Only the MOST IGNORANT people in the world think that CO2 at 400ppm is any problem in any way what-so-ever.
Are you one of those MOST IGNORANT people?
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Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together could have looked up all the data and made their own assessment. I found zero evidence of man made CO2 causing a change in the climate. I simply read all of the documents submitted by as many scientists as possible on the subject as I could for the past 8 years. The climate has been, and will continue to change forever. One volcano has put far more CO2 into the atmosphere than all of mankind. So, why did everybody give all that money to Al Gore?
One volcano has put far more CO2 into the atmosphere than all of mankind.
Got a link for that? As far as I know, that’s not true.
I’m in Louisiana. I don’t care what your graphs and charts are supposed to imply. This summer was far hotter and longer than any previous summer in my lifetime (58 years). Our hurricane seasons have changed considerably from them forming off of Africa, traveling across the Atlantic and curving up into the Gulf of Mexico to hit the Gulf Coast. Now they turn earlier and go up the Atlantic sea coast (Hurricanr Sandy). I just had a 80 degree Christmas and it may last until New Year. I don’t know if it’s the sun, Chinese pollution, CO2 or what… but our weather has changed. You’re being foolish if you don’t look out the window and see it for yourselves.
Hey, I’m a conservative who reluctantly voted for Trump. I wanted Ted Cruz. Not everything is a giant conspiracy. Maybe there is bullshit going on to push an agenda to make certain people rich. But our weather IS changing. It might be natural. But just in case, I’m saving up for a Tesla Model 3! By the way, the Arabs and their oil can go to hell!
I am in North Carolina and for the last four summers for the first time my temperature sensitive white clover (dies when it is over 95F) bloomed all summer instead of turning crispy critter. Also The Tomato Knows from the Chiefio — People have notice their temperature dependent tomatoes will not set fruit.
I think I rather listen to a plant than you they do not lie. SEE: Koppen Climate Classification (Interesting that my other reference @ Univ of Texas has removed their Koppen Climate maps….)
The plants agree with Tony and the raw data not NOAA’s fraud.
Global warming is caused by humans… tampering with the data. Heaven forbid we look at real data and try to discern real patterns, etc. Let’s make up crap and discredit good scientists that know better.
Unfortunate so many O2 thieves!
I didn’t mention your BUTT!
Maybe I am being stupid but if there is too much CO2 causing the problem then plant more trees that use CO2 and put off more O2.
You don’t have to plant more trees or vegetation, mother nature takes care of that for us. More atmospheric CO2 means more greening of the earth. It also means better crop yields. Ain’t it grand to learn how adaptive our planet is? And ain’t it a shame how the climate alarmists fail to acknowledge that basic fact?
It is CO2 STARVATION that is the real problem according to peer-reviewed papers:
Carbon starvation in glacial trees recovered from the La Brea tar pits, southern California
Royal Society: Carbon dioxide starvation, the development of C4 ecosystems
Impact of lower atmospheric carbon dioxide on tropical mountain ecosystems
“Compound-specific isotope analyses of leaf waxes and algal biomarkers show that organisms possessing CO2-concentrating mechanisms, including C4 grasses and freshwater algae” means plants using C4 pathway and not the older C3 pathway used by trees. Most of our food is C3 pathway.
As you go up a mountain, low CO2 partial pressure, and not temperature limits trees.
Plant responses to low [CO2] of the past
I want to see a CO2 level of 1500 ppm as we head into this next glaciation.
Though ultimately partial pressure may be the determining factor the lack of soil, temperature, and available moisture also have their effects in determining where the tree line ends. The height of tree lines in worlds mountains are not consistent for these reasons. For example I remember seeing potted non alpine plants inside the main building of the ski resort on the Zugspitze well above the tree line.
The two biggest factors are partial pressure of CO2 AND rain fall.
When there is not enough CO2 plants have to have their breathing pores (Stomata) wide open. Also as the partial pressure of CO2 DECREASES the number of stomata INCREASES. (This is used as an alternate way of measuring prehistoric CO2 levels. link 1 and link 2 )
The problem with these adaptions to lack of CO2 is that open stomata allows water within the plant to escape.
The C4 pathway was one of the evolutionary responses ( link 3 ) and why grasses (C4) are hardier in dry climates such as savannas compared to trees (C3) In deserts you get an even more efficient CO2 pathway called CAM.
Gail , very true, planet earth needs an increase in CO2…
So they say the Earth is 1.5 degrees warmer now than in 1880? ..silly question, but what were they measuring temperatures with 100 years ago ..mercury tube thermometers ..and what are they using now digital devices?
It seems metrology has made huge advances in accuracy with calibrations and in holding tolerances beyond anything capable 50 years ago ..so a 1.5 degree change may just be a more accurate reading and not an increase at all.
The data should be presented with the error includes as Ernest Beck did with the Historic CO2 measurements. However that would not scare the sheeple into giving up more of the wealth.
Correct way to present data. Gray areas are the uncertainty/error.
“…what were they measuring temperatures with 100 years ago ..mercury tube thermometers…”
Actually they were using an alcohol thermometer for cold temperature measurements because mercury has a freezing point of -38.8 degrees Celsius. And they used mercury for the high temperatures.
A meteorology text from 1918 says the readings, are good to O.5 F.That is for the set of thermometers in a Stevenson screen, like those used today. He also said a more sophisticated ventilated thermometer is good to O.1 F.
For the US Coop stations run by volunteers, there was an instruction booklet written ~40 years earlier. There were also ~ 200 professionally run stations.
Australia was also using Stevenson screens in the 1800s
Late 19th Century photographic evidence of the Stevenson Screen in Australian meteorology
Including photographs of a Melbourne Stevenson Screen from 1879 now in Museum Victoria. ALSO an extract from The West Australian Wednesday 25 October 1899 page 4 – The meteorological report for 1898, prepared by Mr. W. E. Cooke.
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The Man-made-climate-change (and all Liberal propaganda) is based on Vladimir Ilich Lenin’s quote: “A lie repeated often enough becomes accepted as truth”. You take a little baby born in NY and from day one in school you repeat to this baby everybody that lives in the rest of the USA is a cannibal. Then you don’t allow the child, as he grows into a teenager, to leave the state of NY. By the time the child is 21 you can remove all restrictions on this person’s travel and he won’t leave NY because he/she will have almost the certainty that doing so will result in him being eaten. That’s brainwashing/indoctrination. Just look at the deplorable state of college campi (or campuses, if the use of Latin offends your cultural sensitivity) today where contrivances like “safe spaces”, “micro-aggressions” are every day’s tools to enforce a totalitarian imposed by Social Justice Warriors
The only places on the planet where people debate the reality of climate change is the US and its client states like Canada, Australia and the UK. The rest of the world has moved on and are transitioning away from fossil fuels. The US is going to find itself increasingly isolated on the world stage. The chinese for example have over a million people employed in the solar and wind sector. They are rapidly moving to mass production of electric cars and light trucks. They have their own version of the IMF. Trump can spin all the chinese conspiracies he wants but the truth is that the price per KW of solar produced energy has fallen well below the cost of gas and coal. The economic benefits from that coupled with the ease and safety of solar are far too obvious for cities, states and countries alike.
Believe what you want about climate change but the rest of us are moving on. Its just a pity you all believe the lies which continue from your podiums of power from WMD’s in Iraq to the mantras of Wall Street.
LOL, well then why don’t you go live in on of the braindead countries you just mentioned and play the fool like them.
Yea, wind worked so well for Spain. They’re moving on alright! Right into bankruptcy!
I do not live in North America anymore, I was however born and raised in Canada. Like I said the rest of the world is moving away from fossil fuels because there is no debate on the reality of climate change, it is accepted science. School kids in Europe are amazed at the level of ignorance in the USA, you only have to look at the Arctic to see radical climate change. But if you cannot accept that example then go and talk to Miami city engineers and see what climate change problems they are working on right now.
There is a great deal of debate. Look up NIPCC and CO2 Science. There are thousands of skeptical papers and tens of thousands of skeptical scientists, and over 1/2 of the meteorologists are skeptics.
The benefits of CO2 are known and manifesting, the purported harms are MIA.
You failed completely to read or refute the recent posts here on the Arctic.
When you use the phrase “accepted science” it is all anyone that knows the history of scientific discovery and the scientific process needs to know about your depth of understanding.
“The seeker after truth is not one who studies the writings of the ancients and, following his natural disposition, puts his trust in them,” the first scientist wrote, “but rather the one who suspects his faith in them and questions what he gathers from them, the one who submits to argument and demonstration and not the sayings of human beings whose nature is fraught with all kinds of imperfection and deficiency. Thus the duty of the man who investigates the writings of scientists, if learning the truth is his goal, is to make himself an enemy of all that he reads, and, applying his mind to the core and margins of of its content, attack it from every side. he should also suspect himself as he performs his critical examination of it, so that he may avoid falling into either prejudice or leniency.”
― Ibn al-Haytham
al-Haytham is recognized as one of the fathers of the scientific method.
And so the point is not to accept the pap your being fed by politicians and the media but to take the time to investigate things for yourself so your opinion is formed by the facts you discover for yourself and not the claims of others.
In the case of the periodic flooding in Miami this is easy enough.
Below you will find the current data and past data from the tide gauge at Key West charted. You will notice that the rate of sea level rise is consistent and not spiking in any out of the norm. Sea levels in general have continued to rise world wide at a pretty consistent rate since the end of the last period of large scale glaciation which most call the last “ice age”. Here is a link to the site:
Now in the case of Miami there are a couple of other factors causing subsidence (the gradual caving or lowering of the level of the land).
More than 1/2 of Miami beach was constructed on dredged fill that is still settling after it’s placement in the 1920’s. And the land of a larger portion of the coastal Miami area is subsiding because of the continued drawl off of fresh ground water from the underlying Biscayne aquifer.
I will not spoon feed you the links to back up these last to facts though I could dig them up. You can take al-Haytham’s advise and do your own research to confirm them for yourself even if your motivation is to counter my claims.
ROFLMAO.. Sorry step-down, but your education seems to be as lacking as those you think you are better than
The Arctic is just part of the NATURAL warming from the LIA and the AMO cycle (ignorant of that are you?)
And Miami has been pshown to be subsiding because its built on sand. (ignorant of that , as well, I’m betting)
So before you talk of ignorance..
….fix your own IGNORANCE first.
…there is no debate on the reality of climate change…
Ah, but there is debate as to the cause of climate change. Did you not know this? Just how ignorant are you on this subject?
School kids in Europe are amazed at the level of ignorance in the USA…
Funny, because it is the Eurolemmings who are the real ignorants, thanks to their fascistic governments. Eurolemmings are natural climate change and science deniers.
Step_in_it, there is not a single peer reviewed paper that refutes nature as the cause of any global climate changes.
“The chinese for example have over a million people employed in the solar and wind sector. They are rapidly moving to mass production of electric cars and light trucks.”
ROFLMAO.. Those are to sell to GULLIBLE European countries, you twerp !!!
Brain-washed trogs like you make Europe such an easy target. :-)
“price per KW of solar produced energy has fallen well below the cost of gas and coal.”
Oh good, then you will have no problem if subsidies and feed-in mandates and ‘pay for no-supply rules’ etc are totally removed and everyone is forced to play on a level playing field where suppliers have to provide the correct amount on schedule and on demand… Right ;-)
Suppose you where buying some fruit, for example, and the green grocer says “sorry, none today but you have to pay for it anyway…..”
…. and the next day he turns up and says “I have a whole heap now, and you have to buy it and pay again”..
That is how the “renewables” market works.
Would you go to that green grocer again??? ??
Are you really that dumb ????? (need I ask)
ROFL! the joke AKA noaa has no affect on us. Nobody here cares. A 3rd grader knows what cyclic weather is. Why do you even print this crap for? If you don’t give these morons the time of day eventually even their kind will shut up.
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Virginia had several weeks of what I called the “Steambath”, mid to high 90’s temperatures combined with off-the-charts humidity. Even when the wind blew, it was like living in a convection oven.
Everybody claimed it was the hottest summer we’ve had. I reminded them that no, in 2011 and 2012, we had about 3 weeks straight of triple-digit temperatures. This was hot, humid, and miserable, but it was NOT the hottest summer on record.
But we have to pay homage to the Global Warming/Climate Change/whatever they’re calling it this week religion.
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This is ALL lies! “Climate change” IS Planet X!
The entire government are evil treasonous criminals! The day of the next false flag using the nuke the evil government stole in 2007 and blamed on Iran, America will be annihilated by Russia, China and the SCO. This is the war of Armageddon and you can know it is now because of Planet X and the toxic chemtrails that hide it every day globally for the past decade. Planet X will end the war when it rips the earth apart again but by then 90% of Americans will be dead already. All planned by your evil government and their evil alien masters!
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Tony, would you mind explaining to your readers how your BS in geology makes you an expert in climate? And, is it possible that you are on the payroll of Exxon (after all, they do hire geology graduates)?
Geology studies the CLIMATE of the Quaternary, THE ICE AGE THE EARTH IS IN!
Now go do some reading of the scientific papers written about the Quaternary.
I linked to several of them above.
Doly: Completely out of her/his/it’s depth. Unable to even think about disputing the post, attacks the blogger. Sooooooo typical!
If you knew a damned thing about Tony Heller or bothered to even look at some of his posts at the top of the home page you would know that he is totally dedicated to preserving the environment and combating wanton pollution and has testified before congress on environmental issues. Rides his bike or public transportation for to get around locally.
So take your Saul Alinsky tactics elsewhere moron, because your out of your depth here. Nobody here and a great deal of thinking people in this country are falling for that crap anymore. If they were, Trump would not be the president elect.
Doly, does a drive by ignorant comment showing that leftist warmists are still around.
Maybe YOU are on the payroll of Greenpeace,hired to post fallacious crap on rational skeptical/realist sites?
Since this will be your only comment here,I can confidentially say that you have NO counterpoint to make since you are a typical warmist lemming moron.
Seriously Doly? :lol:
An Earth Sciences degree is not a qualification? So is it just Divinity School dropouts that make good “climate experts”?
And how is it that money from private companies corrupts, but money from governments and academia do not?
Moron alert indeed!
….. wasn’t that the name of that cloned sheep ???
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“where is the claim that the NOAA data is fake derived from? could someone please provide a reliable source?”
When historical temperature data is compared to the NOAA temperature data put out today, we see a big discrepancy.
The “raw” chart is before changes were made to the data. The “final” chart is after NOAA/NASA have changed the data. Do you see the difference? The raw data shows it was hotter in the past than now. The final data shows it is hotter now than in the past. If we go by the raw chart, then NOAA/NASA can’t claim 2016 is the “hottest year evah!”, the way they do.
If we go by the final chart, then NOAA/NASA can claim the temperatures have been getting hotter and hotter for a long time and 2016 is the hottest year evah! Which fits right in with their human-caused global warming/climate change scheme.
The original, raw data did not fit their climate change theory, so they changed the data to make it fit. Neat trick, huh. Lots of money involved, too. Lot’s of incentive to change the data.
When Trump gets in Office, they are going to have to justify those changes.
TA, thanks for smacking this whack-a-mole. Yesterday I was tempted to respond with references but from the context I had a strong sense it was not a real question by “paul” because the answer was right in front of him.
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We will be seeing more fake news (or partially). Especially with the CIAs influence on all media AND Congress allowing the use of domestic propaganda on the American public. What agenda is behind it all and what the oligarchs / globalists hope to achieve, I don’t know… CO2 Footprint tax? Fines?
The computer model for global warming the Whitehouse is using accounts for CO2 alone. It’s incorrect and any conclusions are a misrepresentation. The correct model would ALSO include methane (1/3 of greenhouse gases – mostly from livestock), AND whatever the heck they’re spraying up there in the atmosphere as in chemtrails! Only then can any conclusions be taken seriously!
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Great information, but all my warmer friends discount it by saying you’re just making it up. It would be way more effective if you could note your sources on each graph, etc., so any doubters could follow a link to confirm for themselves that you’re not just pulling your data outta warm air.
Even if global warming were true…given earth’s history…there are many natural factors to consider…Our earth is constantly changing…it does not sit idle…although it appears within our time frame to remain constant…nor does the Sun…which is the biggest factor of all with which to consider the explanation of a global warming…if it be true or if it be fabricated?
My comment is “waiting moderation”…What?
Welcome to the new era of the Ministry of Truth that Congress just passed…
This new law ‘allows’ google and wordpress and facebook and twitter to apply censorship of ‘Face News’ based on the judgement of progressives aka ‘the Ministry of Truth’
Tony Heller does not censor unless extremely provoked multiple times however sometimes you will run into glitches where too many people post at once and that is probably what happened.
I think its an “ether” thing.
Some post on some forums just ” disappear” only to re-appear at a later time.
Its bizarre.. but its WordPress.
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BTW for those that haven’t noticed. The solar disk is once again virtually spotless.
It appears that this solar cycle may wind down more quickly than predicted.
Looks like I better build more barns instead of run-in sheds…
Look at my comment on partial pressure of CO2
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Look at these libraturds
Oh yea. Lets rewrite history and ignore the extensive work of McIntyre that exposed the lies once and for all for all to see that will actually look. “Hide the Decline”
No better example that fact checkers are not what they claim to be.
OH LOOKIE! Who is saying Mikey Mann of Penn State’s Hokey Stick is true?
So the University of Pennsylvania of Jerry Sandusky fame is FACT CHECKING stuff from the University of Pennsylvania.
Be still my beating heart! That is almost as good as corrupt politicians BOUGHT by the Clinton Foundation saying Hillary is not corrupt… OH wait…
Also See: Factcheck.org — A Fraudulent “Fact Check” Site Funded By Biased Political Group
Interesting to do some fact check on the Annenberg Foundation…
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, former chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge
– Barack Obama started serving as chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an education grant program, in 1995, the same year he was elected to the Illinois state Senate. As chairman, Obama oversaw the disbursement of $49.2 million in Annenberg grants, most of which went to non-profit groups with the STATED intent of improving Chicago’s public schools.
The Annenberg Foundation – Terrorist Financers
Pretty sure you will find much more sewage around that particular “non-profit” !
ps. It might be interesting to subpoena Annenberg Chicago for records pertaining to Obama’s employment. See what he offered as his nationality. ;-)
And interesting take on where the Annenberg fortune came from.
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If a significant percentage of our population no longer trusts in the majority view of scientists about global warming, then who are we to trust for accurate scientific data and truth? The industries that profit from pollution and who want to block regulating their pollution just have to create a seed of doubt about global warming from a handful of paid pseudo scientists and that doubt gets spread like wildfire across the internet. Just like the tobacco industry created a seed of doubt about smoking’s link to cancer. If we cannot trust our government’s scientists, who should we trust? The scientists paid by the oil companies? The internet fake news and political websites? Then we are doomed to swallow any crackpot theory as long as it matches our personal agenda and belief system.
As for all the health insurance anger, every health insurance company has raised their premiums every year because there is no effective cost containment policy in place. My premiums before Obamacare for a family of 3 would have been over $2500 per month, so because our combined take-home income was less than $50k we only had coverage if my wife’s job provided it. Now with Obamacare we can afford a $350 premium because of the government subsidy.
If you want all people covered by health insurance, someone has to pay for it. The people with a high income are the only people with the money to do so, so why not tax them? Everyone complains that they pay high taxes for services they don’t want or use. Would you complain about paying for taxes to pay for public education even if you don’t have kids? Do you complain about paying taxes for garbage pickup? At least a healthy population is a worthwhile investment. Unlike a concert hall our tax money built in Bagdad just so a private contractor could suck at the government defense trough.
Before making negative comments about single payer healthcare, do some research about how other countries afford it. Switzerland, Germany, Japan, all have worked out the bugs. Japan & Switzerland have a version where insurance is mandated similar to Obamacare. Instead of trashing the program, why not fix it? Of course that would mean health care providers can not get as obscenely wealthy as they are currently doing in America. In Japan the government regulates what providers can charge. So instead of $1500 for an MRI, they can only charge $75. And guess what? Hospitals still make money on it! How can you justify the $2000 per hour rental charge for the scope used to do my back surgery? That is simply gouging the insurance company. Medicare for all, and the wealthy can buy the expensive supplement insurance.
Good grief I couldn’t even begin to disentangle all the fallacies and falsehoods in that.
The moron has ZERO idea of the cost of regulation and seems to think the government is a sugar daddy and not vacuuming up ~90% of what he earns.
He asks “… who are we to trust for accurate scientific data and truth?…”
At this point I TRUST NO ONE!
That is why I have made a hobby of reading science papers and drawing my own conclusions.
The rampant corruption is so bad in science now that papers are being written ABOUT the corruption.
How Many Scientists Fabricate and Falsify Research? A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Survey Data
US scientists significantly more likely to publish fake research, study finds
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
Editors In Chief of World’s Most Prestigious Medical Journals: “Much of the Scientific Literature, Perhaps HALF, May Simply Be Untrue” … “It Is Simply No Longer Possible To Believe Much of the Clinical Research That Is Published”
Corruption Is Destroying Basic Science
blockquote>So instead of $1500 for an MRI, they can only charge $75. And guess what? Hospitals still make money on it!
Hmm, I like your thinking. You are onto something, Christian.
Here are the capital costs of the equipment:
Extremities MRI — $300,000 and up (around $150,000 used)
Full body MRI — $1,000,000 and up
Hi-Res Neuroscience MRI — up to $3,000,000
MRI Suite Buildup — $500,000
Let’s pick what we need and amortize the equipment over 7 years, shall we? Done.
How much should the MRI technician make, Christian? Let’s make it at least minimum wage. The technician should be able to afford one or two square meals a day in a socially just society, no?
Does the hospital’s imaging department need malpractice insurance? Nah, a minimum wage MRI tech wouldn’t do anything wrong, would she?
Then there would be various other costs of running a medical facility as a business but we’ve already solved most of the big problems so let’s just forget it.
Anyway, if it’s owned by the government or if the government orders that these costs be eliminated, they are reduced to zero and we don’t have to worry about them.
The imaging-specialized physician on duty interpreting the scans and writing the report will be happy to do it for free if the people’s authorities ask her nicely. That bourgeois leach is making too much money anyway.
Voila, we have solved the whole conundrum and everybody can do an MRI scan for $75. I am so glad we looked into this cost problem. It was easy after all, wasn’t it? *)
And we will make money, too!
Now, Christian, do you see why so many people think you would make a great Hospital Director in Moronville?
*) Let’s do surgery cost analysis tomorrow between 9:15am-10:00am. That’s more time than we really need but I added some padding so we can also talk about the fossil fuel industry price-gouging, convert the hospital to clean energy and issue a proclamation for world peace.
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Christian, take one thing at a time. First a question; what exactly do you imagine the consensus is on CAGW?
NASA: GISS has been accused by critics of manipulating data. Has this changed the way that GISS handles its temperature data?
Gavin Schmidt: Indeed, there are people who believe that GISS uses its own private data or somehow massages the data to get the answer we want. That’s completely inaccurate. We do an analysis of the publicly available data that is collected by other groups. All of the data is available to the public for download, as are the computer programs used to analyze it. One of the reasons the GISS numbers are used and quoted so widely by scientists is that the process is completely open to outside scrutiny.
Peter, you are new to this controversy, aren’t you? :)
I believe in Unicorns TOO!
They are as real as government transparency and honesty.
We do an analysis of the publicly available data that is collected by other groups
Why not just publish it? And “analysis”? Really?
Why does he not just admit that they alter the data. Constantly. Weasel much Gavin?
Yeah sure it is, that’s why Phil Jones and those gate keepers diddy not want to hand over their findings via FOIA to others questioning their methods! Remember that? That’s why all the computer models doesn’t match reality!
Actually, it looking more like it is NOAA doing a lot of the “adjustments™”…
Tom Peterson et al…. before they pass the data to Gavin.
But Gavin “knows” he is getting fabricated and mal-adjusted data from NOAA, so he is equally culpable in the fraudulent GISS data, no matter how he tries to spin it.
“One of the reasons the GISS numbers are used and quoted so widely by scientists “……. is because the climate scientists know it is closer to their “models”, because it is adjusted to be that way.
But the FAKE TREND in the GISS data, just means that there is a FAKE TREND in their models.
Very bad science, but they can’t get back to using real data, (which might actually mean a few of the models come closer to reality) because that would show that they know GISS is a farce.
They have created their own self-perpetuating Catch-22. :-)
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Thank god I’m retired and have low income. It just does not pay to make any money anymore because the government and insurance companies are all stealing it. I can cause my income to come out where I can get Obamacare for free. I think that is the ONLY way Obamacare is worth what it costs – if it is free! It really is funny business too, because you have to make a low amount of income to get Obamacare for free, but if you make too little you CAN’T get Obamacare and have to get on medicaid, which is another pain in the butt. Government can’t do anything right, but I think even something as bad as single-payer would be better than Obamacare, because it is terrible.
That NY Times article is from 1989…
I am not saying that I know better than anyone here, but using that to base any current judgement on is just flawed.
I would love to find a way to get real unaltered access to all of the real records of real measurements because I would love to build a real global modal [as much as there is data to build] for the entire planet’s heat and precipitation for the whole of the time people have been taking records.
If anybody knows where and how to obtain this data please e-mail me at blaircleary farms at bellstarlabs doc com