New Video : Can We Trust Climate Scientists?

Gore: Polar ice cap may disappear by summer 2014

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North Pole May Be Ice-Free for First Time This Summer

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35 Responses to New Video : Can We Trust Climate Scientists?

  1. Griff says:

    It isn’t really it isn’t ‘normal’

    That chart shows only last few years when extent has been among record lows and even then your can clearly see extent is well below the 1981-200 average

    Let’s look at some other charts of extent:
    https://seaice.uni-bremen.de/data/amsr2/today/extent_n_running_mean_amsr2_previous.png

    Or this:
    http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

    At present ice is spread wide but thinly, pushed out from the central arctic by a series of storms. Even though it is at the bottom of the values for the satellite record, that is misleading, since we a seeing an abnormally thin/spread out arrangement.

    and the volume? That’s truly at a record low.

    • BBould says:

      What amazes me is how certain you seem to be with only knowing ice area since about 1980. It is very possible, more likely than not, that the Arctic was smaller earlier last century.

      • arn says:

        It is funny that Griff is complaining
        that the charts show just the last few years,

        and than trying to counter by choosing a few years from ’81-’00 and not saying a word that 79 was extremely cold and therefore melting of the huge accumulated ice masses unavoidable when tempetatures get normal=warmer.

        I think this lady got so used to fear porn that she can’t live without.
        Addicted to Stockholm Syndrom which is the new ideology in the west.

      • sunsettommy says:

        She has been told many times now,that early in this interglacial period,were long periods of time of little to no Summer ice. She was shown a number of published science papers that showed this.

        The trolling warmist Jerk, ignored it every time.

    • tonyheller says:

      It looks to me like Griff is headed for a very tough summer.

    • gator69 says:

      Ms Griff, what isn’t normal is your obsession with meaningless ice.

      Why do you hate poor brown people?

    • sunsettommy says:

      Wow, just WOW!

      As usual Griff FAILS to get the obvious main point that Tony was bringing up. The point that it never does what arctic eggspurts over the last 10 years said it would,vanish for the Summer months.

      This is a person who would say that a 95% glass of water is in danger of being empty, that is how screwed up this warmist moron is.

    • Robert Austin says:

      Griff,
      The chart shows the “Mean Value 1981-2000” and 2 standard deviations from that mean so it actually shows much more than “only the last few years”. Please read and think before leaping into your automatic arctic ice is doomed response. And your linked charts do not show anything substantially different from the EUMETSAT chart that Tony posted. You then claim the Arctic ice is “spread thinly” but do not reference any authority for your claim.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Griff continues to totally DENY the past.

      Current Arctic sea ice levels have been LOWER than now for some 90-95% of the Holocene !!

    • Andy DC says:

      We all know that sea ice is a bit less now than it was in 40 years ago. Nobody is denying that. But 40 years ago was toward the end of an approximate 40 year period of global cooling. What was normal before that? In 1950? Or 1930? Or 1890? Or in 1590? or 1190? Or 1190 B. C. E?

      My point is that 40 years is not even a drop in the bucket in terms of geological time and we have no idea if this recent decrease in sea ice is a blip or the beginning of a meaningful trend. Certainly, recent years are still well within the range of natural variability.

    • Jason Calley says:

      That is some really high grade nonsense there! I love how the flooded parking lots in the video still have the submerged cars parked in place. In even the most extreme scenarios the rate of sea rise is about the same as a fingernails growth rate — and yet all those thousands of cars did not have a chance to flee the rising tides! Fear porn for stupid people!

    • gator69 says:

      In a study published in the journal Nature Climate Change last week, University of Georgia demographer Mathew Hauer warned of mass migrations within the U.S. if seas rise 6 feet this century.

      And I will warn you that if my Aunt had a d*ck, she would be my uncle. And of course I must add that this gender bender is caused completely by man made climate change.

      Grant money please!

      • Jason Calley says:

        Hey gator! I am surprised that the sea-level crowd has not addressed the problems of river and ocean transport. Many ships and barges have less than 6 feet of hull from the waterline to the deck. If the seas rise 6 feet this century, how many of our ships will be flooded and submerged?

      • dave1billion says:

        I had read that a gator’s gender is determined by temperature.

        Your anecdotal evidence (seemingly the gold standard for climate science) should put you in the perfect position you to receive grants. You can get gender studies $$ as well as climate $$.

        As a gator whose gender is threatened by climate change, you can expect to get massive funding.

        Let me know if you need a programmer. I can write computer models to predict pretty much whatever outcome you’d like.

        • gator69 says:

          Thanks for the offer Dave! If we really want to cash in on this “genderature”crisis, we may want to consider a move to Canada, now that Trump is in office. I hear the Canuks are real suckers for this kind of crap.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          Dave,

          It’s not just gators! when I was a boy I made a scientific observation that on hot summer nights the teenagers behaved very gaily on the park benches. This is not an anecdote. They frolicked gaily daily.

      • arn says:

        Well-strange that all people want to the USA when sea level rises.
        Especially strange when you consider that the usa will be hitten the hardest by this imagination as the high populated New York ,Chicago and LA will be hit hardest.
        But this guy does not care about his own people-just pushing immigration and creating new excuses.

  2. gator69 says:

    Tony, I have been sharing your videos with everyone I know, and the responses have been great. I just returned from Florida (mom’s birthday was last week), and my mother wanted me to tell you that she finds your videos very informative, and she finds your narration very pleasant.

    Thanks for all your great work!

  3. John F. Hultquist says:

    Some people worry about the floating ice on the Arctic Ocean and near arctic waters but no one seems to know whether “a lot” is good or bad, or whether “not much” is good or bad.
    Seals and Polar Bears seem to do well when there is an ocean-with-ice surface much like “… ice is spread wide but thinly, pushed out from the central arctic …” [Griff, 2017]
    This year, 2017, for whatever reasons, Polar Bears are many, fat, and very friendly. Maybe we could put the “we are all doomed” theme on ice for a few years.
    Al Gore has convinced kids that Poley Bears are cute and cuddly and should be “saved” by all humans returning to a Stone Age existence, except him and Leonardo (Chinook) DiCaprio, and their friends.

    There are not long term measurements, but there are old reports, such as these below, and many more:

    November, 1817
    It will without doubt have come to your Lordship’s knowledge that a considerable change of climate, inexplicable at present to us, must have taken place in the Circumpolar Regions, by which the severity of the cold that has for centuries past enclosed the seas in the high northern latitudes in an impenetrable barrier of ice has been during the last two years, greatly abated.

    (This) affords ample proof that new sources of warmth have been opened and give us leave to hope that the Arctic Seas may at this time be more accessible than they have been for centuries past, and that discoveries may now be made in them not only interesting to the advancement of science but also to the future intercourse of mankind and the commerce of distant nations.
    President of the Royal Society, London, to the Admiralty, 20th

    From 1959 crew of the submarine USS Skate:
    the Skate found open water both in the summer and following winter. We surfaced near the North Pole in the winter through thin ice less than 2 feet thick. The ice moves from Alaska to Iceland and the wind and tides causes open water as the ice breaks up. The ice at the polar ice cap is an average of 6-8 feet thick, but with the wind and tides the ice will crack and open into large polynyas (areas of open water), these areas will refreeze over with thin ice. We had sonar equipment that would find these open or thin areas to come up through, thus limiting any damage to the submarine. The ice would also close in and cover these areas crushing together making large ice ridges both above and below the water. We came up through a very large opening in 1958 that was 1/2 mile long and 200 yards wide. The wind came up and closed the opening within 2 hours. On both trips we were able to find open water. We were not able to surface through ice thicker than 3 feet.

  4. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    We now know, beyond reasonable doubt, that in 1935, blind belief in the system of “Quantum Mechanics” blocked the natural advancement of science along a path of continuous, joyful discovery of “reality, truth, God” and enslaved humanity to an altered awareness of “97% consensus science.”

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/04/27/the-free-and-independent-individual/#comment-222807

    • Andy DC says:

      Yes, it is a highly profound conclusion that 97% of those paid by Government appointed political hacks to say there is warming, do say that the earth is warming. And it is worse than we thought!

      The other 3%, who are courageous enough to question this hypothesis, were decoupled from the gravy train a long time ago.

      • David A says:

        The ” worse then we thought” is not in any ” consensus” study. Indeed AFAIK the harms vs. benefits of CO2 are not addressed in the so called consensus, so called studies.

  5. Ron Clutz says:

    In the Arctic ocean itself, ice extent is currently well above averag.

    https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/arctic-ice-goes-above-average/

    • Latitude says:

      Thanks Ron!….

      “Arctic Ocean ice is doing fine and well above the decadal average. The only place where ice is below normal is outside the Arctic Ocean, namely Bering and Okhotsk Seas in the Pacific.”

    • AndyG55 says:

      Seasona peripheral melting.

      I suspect that this means that fairly soon (a couple of weeks maybe) we will see the seasonal decrease in Arctic sea ice level off, and it could mean that the minimum extent in September some time finishes well above the decadal average.

      This would tie in well with the fact that multi-year sea ice is currently at a decadal maximum.

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