Unfortunate And Disturbing That Scientists Continue To Lie About The Arctic

That Arctic sea ice has been seriously declining since around 2005 is a well-known fact

As Arctic Sea Ice Shows Record Decline, Scientists Prepare to Go — Arctic Deeply

The only well known fact about climate is that government climate scientists lie about everything. According to Mark Serreze’ own data, there has been no trend in Arctic sea ice over the past decade.

Arctic sea ice extent is fourth highest in the past eleven years.


The only thing that has been declining since 2005 is the integrity and reputation of climate scientists.

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79 Responses to Unfortunate And Disturbing That Scientists Continue To Lie About The Arctic

  1. John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia says:

    Seems to me they are already blind.

  2. AndyG55 says:

    Only reason Ser-sleeze is saying the satellites will go blind, is because he KNOWS that the AMO is turning, and that sea ice extent will now start to climb.

    It will be just another slimy underhanded cover-up of the facts.

    • GeologyJim says:

      Gee, when I was a young lad, I was told blindness was brought on by onanism

      Serezze probably has “first hand” experience with that.

      But, even blind, he’ll still be able to hear the Arctic “scream”, so that’s as good as “data”

  3. AndyG55 says:

    “The only thing that has been declining since 2005 is the integrity and reputation of climate scientists.”

    Hey !!! How is that even possible??

    There must be a very big hole in the bottom of the barrel !!

  4. gator69 says:

    Tony! You left off the punchline!

    That lack of an ongoing scientific sea ice record, at a critical moment in our global climate history, could make future Arctic and global climate change shifts more difficult to model and forecast, potentially resulting in nasty, sudden, unexpected weather and climate surprises.

    Oh noes! We could have been able to forecast every sprinkle and cloud, if it hadn’t been for that meddling bunch of congressmen.

    • TimA says:

      In other words, they’re warning us that they’ll be able to make stuff up at unprecedented levels with no accountability whatsoever and it’s not their fault!!

  5. Griff says:

    Once again it is worth linking to this explanation of why using MASIE for comparison is misleading

    Clearly after 2006 the arctic sea ice seasonal extent and also thickness, age, volume took a downturn from which it has never recovered and 2017 is no better than 2016 in terms of ice condition.

    • RAH says:

      So you disagree with the claim that over majority of the Arctic right now more new ice is forming than is melting even though Astronomical Autumn is still 23 days away?

    • Stewart Pid says:

      Griffiepoo doesn’t know what to agree with Rah … he just knows that his arctic melting scam is done like dinner as the ice begins to form in the north. Too bad, so sad Griff. You need to get a new gig promoting some other lie.
      Perhaps the cabin boy position is still available on the boat sailing to the north pole ;-)

    • sunsettommy says:

      Ha ha, I see Griff is getting desperate.

      Here is a NON Masie chart, that also shows a similar picture:


      So that make TWO different sources showing no more decline since 2006

      It appears it will stay above 4.5 Wadhams this year.

      • AndyG55 says:

        NSIDC has actually jumped back up above 5 Wadhams for the last 2 days.

        This must be playing havoc with griff’s ADD and bed-wetting.

    • Gator69 says:

      Both Ms Griff and Ms Neven hate poor brown people. Their confirmation bias is as bad as Ms Revkin’s…


      • Robertv says:

        And they hate Canadians to wish them a 2 km thick icecap.

      • Griff says:

        I wonder if you don’t hate your own fellow citizens?

        The warnings Houston was set for a devastating flood have been out there for some time and it is the skeptic viewpoint which has argued against taking notice of them…

        • RAH says:

          Lying peace of crap.

        • RAH says:

          Excuse me. Lying piece of crap!

        • AndyG55 says:

          Find me a link to warnings of floods in Houston from more than a week out from the stalled mid-level hurricane.

          You are a LYING piece of anti-human slime, griff.

          You are , yet again, showing your ABJECT IGNORANCE of anything to do with anything.

          You make a total mockery of the AGW charade, and anyone that pays even the slightest lip-service to it.

          A total EMBARRASSMENT !

          And you are so ****ing dumb you don’t even realise it.

          Why doesn’t one of your fellow scumbags tell you to STFU !!

        • AndyG55 says:

          RAH…., griff’s post are purely and totally his mechanism for coping with his deep-seated Attention Deficit… his abject lonelimess.

          The ONLY way he can get anyone’s attention is by showing that he is a complete MORON. !!

        • annieoakley says:

          How long is ‘some time’, asking for a friend.

        • sunsettommy says:

          YOU LIE yet again!

          I showed this to you before:

          Significant Houston Area Floods


          Houston is a city built on a flood plain,it was a swampy area when they founded the city in 1836. The Flood records started the very next year.

          It has flooded in the region many times.

    • Mr GrimNasty says:

      Griff says “2017 is no better than 2016 in terms of ice condition”.

      Well DMI says extent is marginally higher and currently looks like diverging so 2017 minimum will be above 2016. DMI also has volume at least 500Km3 higher currently.

      • Griff says:

        And I suppose that is a ‘recovery’?

        If you look at this you’ll see the extent is only that high because a lot of broken ice is spread thinly over a massive area.


        and it is still melting…

        • RAH says:

          “Recovery” to what Griff? What is the perfect level of sea ice in the Arctic for this date? The sun is low and the temp is below freezing and Griff is worried about ice melting in the Arctic.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “And I suppose that is a ‘recovery’?”

          Wow, you are absolutely resolute in your desire to remain moronically ignorant.

          The recovery was the drop from the late 1970s extremes in sea ice.

          That recovery has stalled, unfortunately.

          The ONLY good thing about the increase in Arctic sea ice, (starting now and continuing for many years) is that it might silence your child-minded bed-wetting ..

          …. until you start wetting your bed about how much it is increasing. of course !!

        • AndyG55 says:

          What melting?

          Here is the latest Central Arctic sea ice level.

          No sign of any melting. Level is above what it has been for the last few years.

          And of course you KNOW that current levels are above what they have been for 90-95% of the last 10,000 years.

          Your mattress is now so soaked with your childish bed-wetting, that you will need to steal another one from the old folks home. !!

    • AndyG55 says:

      Clearly the current level is far above what it has been for 90-95% of the Holocene.

      Why do you keep DENYING science, griff.

      Is it the only way you can keep your bed wet !?

      • Robertv says:

        One of the reasons we find many old ports inland far from the sea.

      • Griff says:

        and as I’ve explained to you before, since the climate conditions were vastly different in the past, you can’t compare conditions and thus that’s mostly irrelevant.

        The melt is now larger than could be accounted for by known natural cycles.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “I’ve explained to you before”

          NO, you have yapped meaninglessly about how often you like to wet your bed,

          Current levels are higher than they have been for 90-95% of the last 10,000 years

          STOP LYING !!! You make a mockery, even of your fellow Arctic sea ice bed-wetters. !

        • AndyG55 says:

          “since the climate conditions were vastly different in the past”

          Yes, its been MUCH warmer for most of the last 10,000 years.

          Thanks for the TRUTH even if totally accidentally !

        • AndyG55 says:

          “The melt is now larger than could be accounted for by known natural cycles.”

          Again with the TOTAL and UTTER unsubstantiated BULLSHIT !!

          • RAH says:

            Considering that the climate models don’t take into account many natural cycles, such as solar activity, the cycles of eccentricity of the earths orbit, obliquity, or precession, let alone the movements of our solar system relative to the plane and arms of the galaxy, this statement is absolutely false.

          • griff says:

            but RAH, they do.

            especially the orbital stuff (Milankovitch cycles)

          • Gator says:

            No Ms Griff, they do not. The IPCC et al have ignored all solar forcings except TSI.

            But if you care to list all climate forcings, arrange them from most to least potent, and then quantify them, I would be happy to see it done for the first time in history.

            Natural variability has never been disproven, and is the null hypothesis that stands tall over your silly, poor brown people hating, and failed hypothesis.

          • AndyG55 says:

            And CO2 warming of a convective atmosphere has NEVER been measured., Never been empirically proven.

            Its erroneous model-based junk-science.

  6. Frank K. says:

    The arctic sea ice looks like it’s close to the minimum now. Nothing alarming at all…

    • Griff says:


      That it is way below that dotted blue line and that nice grey area doesn’t tell you something?

      and we have a good week to go.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Grey region is the average of the HIGHEST levels in the last 10,000 years.

        Why the continued LYING and bed-wetting griff.

        Is it really the ONLY way you can get a bit of attention for your ADD??

      • sunsettommy says:

        You are a dishonest jerk,since you know there are only about 45 years of actual Sea ice data to pore over,but we do have a number of published science papers,attesting to little to No Summer ice in the region,earlier in the interglacial period

        The MWP had periods of little to No Summer ice in the Arctic region too. Long after the Solar Insolation curve went Negative

        You have been told and shown this repeatedly,yet you continue to be dishonest and lie a lot.

  7. Pathway says:

    The only question that remains is: is Griff a paid shill for George Soros?

    • David A says:

      If so she is way over paid.

      • Griff says:

        I am of course not paid at all, nor a member of any political party, environmental group, etc.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Paid with a constant supply of new nappies and bedsheets !!

          Nobody would accept such a cretin as you as a member of anything !!

          They could not face the embarrassment.

          • griff says:

            what is it with you and the bedwetting?

            you are weirdly obsessed. Not healthy…

          • AndyG55 says:

            Then why are you constantly bed-wetting?

            You know its not good for you, will make you look like you have jaundice if you LIE in it too long.

            You know the cure is to actually accept the FACT that current sea ice levels are above those of 90-95% of the last 10,000 years.

            So WHY, do you keep wetting yourself about very minor changes in extent.

        • sunsettommy says:

          You are however a brainless moron.

    • rw says:

      I’ve thought about this and concluded (in part from a response to a comment I made at WUWT) that Griff is a man on a mission. He’s determined to counter what he sees as misinformation on skeptical sites at every turn. If so, the most interesting thing about him is his utter obliviousness to any evidence that contradicts his position. It resembles the govt figures who insist on going ahead with their renewable energy plans despite the overwhelming evidence that they are devastating their economies, the lives of their citizens and the environment they live in. From this I conclude that there’s an evident self-destructiveness at the core of the bien pensant mentality. (If only it were simply about money!)

      • Griff says:

        When I see some evidence, I’ll accept it.

        Renewable energy has not, for example, devatated the German economy – which had 35% renewable electricity in the first half of the year.

        (and German electricity bills are lower than comparable US households, since they use less electricity, by the way, and if you want to quote figures on how many German households get cut off each year, work out what % of all German households that is, then compare it to US figure, before posting)

        • AndyG55 says:

          When you see evidence .. YOU DENY IT

          Its the only way you can justify , even to yourself, your continued nappy exchange.

          Wind provides very little to the Germany economy.. less tha 1.2% of energy

          And the reliability.. a joke at the very best

          …. less than 20% of nameplate for about 60% of the time

          Absolutely PATHETIC.

        • RAH says:

          German Wind Energy Market “Threatening To Implode”…”Things Have Never Been This Bad”!
          By P Gosselin on 30. August 2017

        • Mark Fife says:

          I am just a regular guy who happens to have a degree in mathematics and about 30 years experience working as a quality engineer. Which of course means a regular diet of statistics and data analysis. That is my bag.

          I have downloaded data from a lot of different sources. In all cases I find the claims of exponentially increasing temperatures are false and not supported by the data. They are in fact the product of poor methodologies. In that I can’t believe any person knowledgeable in math and statistics would make such error I am inclined to believe it fraud.

          I recently downloaded all the raw data from the USHCN. That data set has a lot of missing measurements. So I decided to look on a by month basis.

          For my criteria I used the following:

          I want the longest time period possible. I want at least 100 years.

          I want the monthly average for each year to come from the exact same stations each year. It make no sense to start with stations in New England in 1800 and wind up with stations in the south west in 2016. To measure a trend it is absolutely essential to maintain constant, consistent measurements. Would you agree with that?

          I found 103 stations reporting January from 1900 to 2010. I found 101 stations reporting July from 1900 to 2010. These are the results using their data. July shows the 1930’s as being the hottest on record. Overall, there is no change from 1900, but there has been a general decline from the 1930’s. January shows the same pattern, but with a slight decline from 1900 to 2010.

          There is no massive CO2 induce rise in temperatures in the US. It isn’t there. That statement holds true for any location with long term temperature records.

          You don’t see it in the US, Russia, Switzerland, or England. All places in the northern hemisphere.

          In order to accept your theory global warming is causing the Arctic to melt, you have only to prove global warming. Yet, here I am showing you this world wide problem doesn’t exist here in the US. I am telling you it doesn’t exist in the other places I listed.

          All this constant talk about this year, last year, and short term trends is just noise. In terms of trend analysis of weather patterns and ultimately climate, 25 or 30 years is a very short term look at things. I don’t care who is right or wrong on which direction this year’s wiggle takes, it is not definitive. The time frame of measurement is not sufficient. Show me accurate measurements from the 1930’s, from 1900, from 1850…. but you can’t. And that is the point.

          • Andy DC says:

            The only period of significant warming since 1900 was from 1978 to 1990. Thus during the 117 years since 1900, only 12 years have shown a warming trend. The other 105 years are either flat or cooling.

            If CO2 is only working 10% of the time, it can’t be a very important greenhouse gas!

          • RAH says:

            Their lower tropospheric hot spot never showed in the tropics and the hypothesis demanded. So the focus on sea ice, extreme weather events, adjusted temperature data, SLR , and you name it to try and justify their scam. Nowhere at any time or place in the paleo climate record has there ever been shown to be a time when atmospheric CO2 was the control knob of climate leading to feedbacks that cascade out of control create global warming as they have claimed will happen. And yet masses believe this tripe from the snake oil salesmen.

        • griff says:

          solar and wind supplied 35% of all german electricity this year to June.


          • Gator says:

            So what will the share be by 2020? It might not be much higher at all. A lot of wind turbines will leave the feed-in tariff scheme in the next few years after 20 years of eligibility. Those wind farms could theoretically still sell power at the wholesale rate, but that price might be lower than operating costs, especially if any maintenance is needed for the old turbines. Many machines will thus be dismantled.

            Oopsy! Looks like those poor brown people killing subsidies will run dry.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          German electricity bills are lower than comparable US households, since they use less electricity …

          Venezuelan grocery bills are also lower than comparable US households …

        • sunsettommy says:

          You lied again,Griff. You have been a lot of evidence everywhere you go. But you never agree with ANY of it.


      • rw says:

        Regarding that 35% figure that Griff just tossed out – I haven’t been able to find a good breakdown for 2017, but a pie chart for 2016 is available, which shows the breakdown for “primary energy consumption”. According to the chart, nuclear and fossil fuels accounted for 87.2% of consumption. Of the 12.2% due to renewables, 7.3% was biomass (meaning they’re cutting down trees in large numbers as part of the switch). Wind was 2.1%, solar was 1.2%. I haven’t found a similar breakdown for electricity alone, but I find it hard to believe that the shift is as dramatic as that 35% figure makes it seem. Which brings me to my next point …

        Since predictions are all the rage in the AGW business, I’m going to make one of my own. Already the Potemkin Village aspect of the green energy movement is apparent in the fact that biomass production seems to be propping up the bold claims about the shift to renewables. My prediction is that this is a trend that will continue – and the Potemkin Village aspect will become more and more flagrant as time goes on. I don’t have a model generating this prediction, just some knowledge of the history of the Left.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Not necessarily. I have a box of rocks at the house and it is working for free.

  8. oeman50 says:

    The lack of sea ice data is no difficulty for the climate predictors. They will just use infill data based on algorithms that curiously always decrease the ice extent by measuring an ice cube in the Atlantic and one in the Pacific. Problem solved!

  9. Andy says:

    I think the original poster meant the summer extent value has been declining, which is true. See first graph


    However the annual amount of sea ice has also been declining, see second graph. Different sources from different places in the world, both lying?

    What about Antarctica? It used to be all the rage a while back when it had high values on here. For instance


    Now this blog is silent about it, now the values are low.

    Come on Tony, post about that.


    • RAH says:

      So after all this time you have failed to pick up on the primary focus of this blog? It’s about climate fraud.

      Nobody lately has been lying their asses off about the Antarctic sea Ice as they have been about the Arctic and Greenland ice as Tony has shown several times over the last few weeks. Nor are any idiots sailing down there and getting stuck in sea ice they had said earlier was disappearing. No entertainment value.

      Meanwhile Antarctic ice sheet SMB continues to grow so what’s the point?

    • Frank K. says:

      This looks fine to me. In a year or two, it will exceed the average once again.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Gained back the loss from the El Nino. A single year low.. that really does seem to have little Andy all in a bed-wetting panic.

      Now its basically up there with all the rest., so the general trend on INCREASING Antarctic sea ice will soon re0-establish.

      You need to stop drinking so much KKA, it seems to be a major cause of child-minded bed-wetting.

      • Frank K. says:

        With everything going on in the world today, worrying about small year-to-year small variations in polar sea ice extents is truly a triviality, and certainly nothing that anyone can do anything about.

        Perhaps Griff and Andy can donate to the Houston relief effort rather than fretting about the climate. They’d be doing a whole lot more good for humanity versus whining about esoteric sea ice extent numbers in a climate blog.

        • Griff says:

          It is the continuing downward trend in volume that is the problem -year to year it varies according to the weather.

          weather this year has been poor for melting… and yet still we see 2017 not much different from 2016.

          • AndyG55 says:

            You REFUSE to try to learn ANYTHING about anything, don’t you griff.

            Just the moronic dead-parrot squawking, and the continued 2 year-old bed-wetting.

            “weather this year has been poor for melting”


            You truly are the most dumb piece of partial brain cell that ever graced human kind.

          • AndyG55 says:

            “and yet still we see 2017 not much different from 2016.”

            Again.. TOTAL and UTTER BULLSHIT

            2016, current date…

          • AndyG55 says:

            2017 this date

            The INCREASE is astounding, especially considering the jet stream battering it took while forming

            No wonder you are wetting yourself with PANIC, griff.

            You can see your excuse for your constant Arctic sea ice bed-wetting, that is your ONLY pleasure in life, drifting away.

            What will you do when you no longer have an excuse? !!!!

          • AndyG55 says:

            wrong graph.. This is 2017

          • AndyG55 says:

            Russian ice charts as shown here, give a 14% INCREASE in 70% or more ice coverage (orange)

            You have YET AGAIN been caught out LYING through your A**E, griff. !!

            Do you just smoke your nappies to come up with your LYING crap, griff??

            (after drying them, without washing, of course)

            Shredded yellow nappy .. griff’s TOKE of choice. !!

          • AndyG55 says:

            “Russian ice charts as shown here, give a 14% INCREASE in 70% or more ice coverage ”

            GET OVER IT , griff. !!

    • Robertv says:

      When it had high values it was a sign of global warming now it has low values it must be a sign of global warming too.

  10. JonA says:


    What should the values of Artic/Antartic/Greenland ice extent/volume be?.


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