Today’s scare of the day is that Antarctica is going to collapse and drown us all – in about 1,000 years. Scientists told exactly the same story in 1922
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Scientists say that it will never be cold again!
So what caused the deaths of the Japanese climbers? Excess CO2??
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/23301407/five-climbers-die-in-japan-during-golden-week-holidays/
http://m.gurufocus.com/news_read.php?id=258805
“We live in a world full of predictions.
People are always predicting things like the weather, the outcome of hurricane season, sporting events and, of course, the stock market. The scary part about all these predictions is how often they are wrong — and how often individuals rely on them. If humans were such great predictors of events, there would be more far more successful investors and wealthy gamblers.”
Humans (and animals) rely on the ability to predict.
I predict that if it is raining I wil get wet if I go out side. My goats and sheep predict if they see a strange animal it will try to eat them so they run away. They can even tell the difference between me and a stranger and will change their behavior accordingly.
The critical part of predicting is the willingness to change the resulting behavior when the prediction proves wrong. As I said my goats and sheep come running when they see me hoping I am going to feed them. However they do not come running for several days after we give them their shots, worm and trim feet. We have to win their trust back again.
As I said my sheep are smarter than the Warmist Sheeple. They haven’t lost their ability to learn from experience. {:>)
Good analogy… Problem is nobody alive today has been affected by excessive warming or cooling… The Alarmists are thus never held to account for their failed predictions …
Antarctica is always melting. I bet Napoleon was told this right before invading Russia. No one told him about winter.
Well, with rounding, it is still 1000 years away as it was in 1923.
Didn’t they just tell us today that Earth was expanding? Wouldn’t that offset the water rising? Help me here.
Snap!
A bit of the ice breaks off the Antarctic and NASA is in full panic mode. They’ve got 2 reports out saying it’s the begining of the end.
News agencies are geared-up for a news fest of nonsense.
But thakfully
http://www.space.com/25845-west-antarctica-collapse-starts.html
Whew! I thought Algorithm and Tim Flannery esq. would have to evacuate their waterside properties if the sea levels kept rising.
🙂
nothing new.
In 1893 (after arriving in Nelson in September 92), the iron sailing ship “Margaret Galbraith” was homeward bound around Cape Horn. Mr. N.H. Burgess the 2nd Officer reported that from three days north of the Falklands to about one weeks sailing north of the Falklands they were “among the ice,” which culminated with a days sailing past a single giant berg “40 to 50 miles long,” The account suggest the ship may have been only making 3 to 5 knots around this time, certainly at night one would expect them to throttle back. They had a close call on first encountering the ice north of the Falklands.
It may be partly by chance that the length of this iceberg was reported because the sailing people seemed more impressed by the height of ice encountered than the extent of any particular piece. The 40 to 50 mile long berg mentioned above was reported as being 1000 ft asl at the NE end.
[5] The 1000 ton plus iron sailing ship “Himalaya”, on a 109 day voyage from Liverpool to Wellington, departed 9, November 1894 and arrived 25, February, 1895. The captain reported seeing several icebergs off the Cape (of Good Hope) and then, “.. that from the Cape to the Crozets was a most trying time as icebergs were in sight for a distance of two thousand miles.”
Wow!
Just imagine, sailing around thousand of miles of icebergs laden seas at night in an iron-clad sail ship. No GPS, no RADAR, no SONAR, unreliable radio if you were lucky.
Kids today just don’t know what adventure is!
Climate Experts at Australian National University study says Antarctica is NOT melting!
This is because CO2 caused global warming has sped up the polar vortex and trapped the cold air over the white continent and will not let it out!!!
http://m.voanews.com/a/as-planet-warms-intense-winds-keep-antarctic-cool-/1913090.html
I say we march on Canberra and demand they Free the Vortex! Free the Vortex!
Do alarmists understand how schizophrenic they sound? Antarctica is melting, then it’s not melting, then it’s melting again. FFS wake up!! It’s irrelevant!!!
I would say um, about 1032 years, 14 days, 6 hours and 2 minutes, to be precise. Now all I have to do is get 1000 politicians that claim to be scientists to agree with me and it will be settled science.
There was a report about the Antarctica story on BBC R4 this morning and I don’t recall the time-scale being mentioned.
Will have to listen to it again.
A lot can happen in 200-500 years and we’ll never know how accurate the predictions were.
The BBC website has a report which is slightly contradictory:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27381010
“The results are not based on computer simulations or numerical models; they are based on the interpretation of observations,” he told reporters.
Prof Rignot and colleagues put no real timescales on events, but a paper released by the journal Science to coincide with the Nasa media conference tries to do just this.
It does include computer modelling and was led by Dr Ian Joughin, a glaciologist at the University of Washington’s Applied Physics Laboratory. The study considers the particular case of Thwaites Glacier.
In the model, Dr Joughin’s team is able to reproduce very accurately the behaviour of the glacier over the past 20 years.
The group then runs the model forwards to try to forecast future trends.
This, likewise, indicates that a collapse of the glacier is inevitable, and suggests it will most likely occur in the next 200 to 500 years.”
Ah, hindcasts work so forecasts must be correct.
We all know what a success that technique has been in temperature forecasts!
Amazing. It seems that no one wants to believe these things may actually happen. You guys work so hard to debunk any study you don’t like. Why? Afraid you might get blamed for the future mess when your great-grandkids have the advantage of hindsight (and are enjoying the sailing lifestyle albeit floating on a sea of trash or freezing from the new ice age and there are no fossil fuels to burn for warmth )? Forget about it – your legacy is in the clear unless you have left a paper trail on the forever internet. Ooops!
Are you always this neurotic?
Call yr doctor to get your Thorazine refill
You might turn into a flying turd balloon & end up on Mars singing duets with David Bowie.
How can anyone be blamed for that which does not happen? However what is happening is billions are being wasted doing nothing while millions starve. Who gets the blame for that?
you and algore.
We lost 58,000 men in Vietnam, because the “experts” were saying that if it was lost, communism would take over the world. It was lost and instead, communism imploded. When “experts” try to preempt the future, more often than not, it does not work out as planned.
Yes but think of all the money the corporations and Banksters made. So it was worth it.
After all WWI, WWII and Vietnam helped hike the USA federal debt up to the trillions of dollars. The National Debt in 1913 was $2.9 billion. The National Debt is now over $17.6 trillion and the U.S. dollar has lost 96% of its purchasing power versus gold.
Just a little perspective; I recall from a defensive driving course (a few years back) hearing the figure of 50,000 ppl a year died of auto-related accidents .. indeed the figure was correct (for the time period) …
More perspective: People killed by their own government
169,202,000 Murdered: -20th Century Democide
128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime
19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan’s Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey’s Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland’s Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito’s Slaughterhouse
IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
Think an Obama Democrat would have any reservations about turning the USA into Pyongyang?
No.
I lived in Cambridge MA for a while. One of the ‘Democrats” said to my husband, “When we take over we are going to kill people like you!”
Murdering anyone who isn’t a boot licker is SOP for the communist totalitarians.
Since we are headed into the Southern Hemisphere winter, I have to wonder if this sort of calving simply won’t increase the Antarctic ice extent over time as the space within the fissure fills with more frozen ice. Doesn’t calving have to be part of the process of ice regrowth?
OK – I’ve got a question folks. (going back I see Jbird’s comment – interesting as well)
Shelf ice and sea ice are two different things. Knew that.
Shelf ice is glacier ice that is pushed out over the sea. But, it still float’s (or most of it) – correct? From one source, I see that glacier ice/shelf ice is more dense than sea ice (none of this surprises me) and that approx 90% of it’s mass will be found below the water line (that seems a bit high).
Still – if it’s floating and most of it is below water – wouldn’t the effect of it melting (and/or breaking off/calving and melting as ice bergs) be more or less similar to the effect of sea ice melting, on sea level rise?
Now I get that it’s ice than came from over the land – and there are other side effects there – but isn’t sea level to rise only if and when the ice cap on land (the glaciers) volume results in a net loss?
Well worth the read: A comment at WUWT from Doug Proctor who was was a glaciology student. ( December 13, 2012 at 3:48 pm) says in response to the comment: “Between 30 and 65 percent of the ice gain due to enhanced snowfall in Antarctica is countervailed by enhanced ice loss along the coastline”
It’s real simple. Snow falls on a roof with snow already on it, and the snow on the edge of the roof gets pushed off.
Nice visual. Too bad the warmists will ignore it.
Gail – that is patently nonsense! Why would you post such disinformation? The Antarctic ice was created a million years ago and has remained the same ever since! There was no accretion or loss until CO2 was discovered 65 years ago!
Such twaddle.
(Do I really need a /sarc?)
Geez… That’s what Ice from Antarctica does… Builds up to massive levels over water… Then breaks off… This explains why periodically we have reports of Giant Bergs much further north…
Antarctic ice is at it’s highest ever recorded levels… Yet SOMEHOW the story is melting ice and flooding…Amazing…. 180 degrees out of phase…
Perhaps this treatment will bring the alarmists back into “phase”.
http://www.sane.org/information/factsheets-podcasts/445-electroconvulsive-therapy-ect
(Electricians will get the joke)
Or anyone who has taken a course in physics.
For the Progressives you really need to crank up the amps.
I understand the last time they tried that with a Progressive, it caused the great blackout of the Eastern half of North America! 😀
ROTFLMAO (must have been a Kennedy – Marblehead.)