This is what Afghanistan looked like before Russia invaded, and the US hired Osama bin Laden to drive them out
This is what Iran looked like before Jimmy Carter brought them social justice, and ran off the Shah.
Look how we improved the lives of women in the Middle East.
The Afghani women history in the XX century is in fact a succession of wins and losses. I wouldn’t just blame Osama, the locals have a peculiar culture to say the least.
For Iran it’s instead the classic case of imported modernity and the backlash against it. A bit like creationism becoming popular against Darwinism because the latter reached the USA in the shape of eugenics. The main responsibility if you ask me is with Britain in both cases.
I have no problem with that. For most of the 19th Century Brittan was a hated country in the United States. This was especially true following the American Civil War. It wasn’t until a Southern, Woody Wilson was elected President that it became cool to be an Anglophile. The American Revolution in many ways didn’t end until Woodrow Wilson was in the White House and surrendered USA soventiry to Great Brittan. He so admired the British Government that he wanted to change our system of government to the British parliamentary system.
During the Spanish American War, an English poet named Ogden Nash wrote a little ditty extoling the USA to take up Britain’s burden and follow her much like Jesus told his disciples to “shoulder the cross daily and follow me.” By that time the British were growing tired of bearing their burden alone, especially the heaviest portion of the British burden which was most of Africa, big chunks of the Middle East, and British India which included Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, (which the British maintained as a buffer or trip wire state to ward off the Russian Bear) not to mention an almost continues strip of land and enclaves from Malaysia, East to Hong Cong, to Prince Edward Island in the Atlantic, and finally ending where it all began, back in the British Isle of Ireland.
As for the 1953 Coup, the Shaw of Iran and his ancestors, have been installed and de-installed on the back sides of the Persian Arians almost as often as cloth diapers are changed. The 1953 Coup is one of those cases were the British were no longer materially, mentally, or military able to force Iran to do Jack Squat so they called on their American colony to lift the burden for them, and we like the good patsy’s that we are rolled up our sleeves and stepped right in.
To better understand the relationship between Great Brittan and Iran read this tortured history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations
The White Mans’ Burden by Ogden Nash
Take up the White Man’s burden—
Send forth the best ye breed—
Go send your sons to exile
To serve your captives’ need
To wait in heavy harness
On fluttered folk and wild—
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child
Take up the White Man’s burden
In patience to abide
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple
An hundred times made plain
To seek another’s profit
And work another’s gain
Take up the White Man’s burden—
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard—
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah slowly) to the light:
“Why brought ye us from bondage,
“Our loved Egyptian night?”
Take up the White Man’s burden-
Have done with childish days-
The lightly proffered laurel,
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold-edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!
Actually, the CIA deposed Iran’s popular prime minister Mosaddeq and reinstated the hated Shah in 1953. It was this action that set the stage for the iranian Revolution in 1979. Remember it was the united States that provided refuge for the Shah after the revolution. Just for the record. Either way, it was American meddling.
Yes, because the Middle East was so stable before the American Revolution.
I think you mean 35 years ago…. At least the picture I mean…
Good catch, Mat Helm, and good repair job, Tony!
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Your history is a bit muddled. Basically, it’s like claiming that FDR conspired with Tojo to lay waste to Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941, that FDR had approved Japanese plans to murder about 3000 Sailors and Soldiers and sink eight American battleships. The facts are a bit more complex. FDR was maneuvering the Japanese into confrontation, but expected the Japanese to attack his best general, MacArthur, in the Philippines first, where General MacArthur would hand the Japanese a humiliating defeat.
Jimmy Carter didn’t hand the Iranian Revolution anything–they took it. President Carter used what he knew in a gun-shy post-Vietnam America that he had inherited, but the Iranians were not leftist American Democratic Party voters. In exasperation, the president authorized a rescue operation that turned fiasco (and later haunted President Obama during Operation Neptune Spear–would he be the next Jimmy Carter?). It would have been interesting to see how President Reagan would have handled things had the Iranians not released American Embassy personnel the minute he swore in as President of the United States.
Osama bin Laden hated the USA as early as the Afghan invasion–wouldn’t and didn’t take a nickel from the US (unless you count all those petro-dollars that were donated by rich oil sheiks to support Jihad against the Soviets invading Afghanistan). The Mujahedeen were NOT the Taliban, nor were they al Qaeda. Taliban were the winning faction of that broken alliance in the post-Soviet period. At the time, al Qaeda was merely a milk cow–one that eventually turned out to be too damned expensive because it brought down the might of the USA on the Taliban for harboring bin Laden after 9/11.
History is a bit more than opinion–so is the weather.
The Iranian reaction to the Reagan Presidency tells you all you need to know about how it would have been handled.
I’m not so sure, bleakhouses–I think the Iranian “reaction” was more “in your face” for President Carter than “we had better not give General Custer a reason to attack us.”
Ronald Reagan starred in “Santa Fe Trail” (1940) as George Armstrong Custer and the story line was putting down John Brown’s rebellion at Harper’s Ferry: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033021/synopsis
I think it unlikely that the Iranian leadership would have recognized the actor playing George Armstrong Custer from a 40 year old movie and reacted out of fear. Contempt seems more likely.
But I could be wrong! The transition team had almost two months from the 1980 election until Reagan swore in to pull pre-made military contingency plans from the files and review them, choose one, and then begin preparing to execute the plan. Grenada might have been an indication, or not–the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut (1983) gives a better indication of Reagan behavior than his role in a 1940 movie.
Reagan’s debate response to Barbara Walter’s question laid the groundwork for it all:
MR. REAGAN: Barbara, you’ve asked that question twice. I think you ought to have at least one answer to it. I have been accused lately of having a secret plan with regard to the hostages. Now, this comes from an answer that I’ve made at least 50 times during this campaign to the press, when I am asked have you any ideas of what you would do if you were there? And I said, well, yes. And I think that anyone that’s seeking this position, as well as other people, probably, have thought to themselves, what about this, what about that? These are just ideas of what I would think of if I were in that position and had access to the information, and which I would know all the options that were open to me. I have never answered the question, however; second, the one that says, well, tell me, what are some of those ideas? First of all, I would be fearful that I might say something that was presently under way or in negotiations, and thus expose it and endanger the hostages, and sometimes, I think some of my ideas might require quiet diplomacy where you don’t say in advance, or say to anyone, what it is you’re thinking of doing. Your question is difficult to answer, because, in the situation right now, no one wants to say anything that would inadvertently delay, in any way, the return of those hostages if there if there is a chance that they’re coming home soon, or that might cause them harm. What I do think should be done, once they are safely here with their families, and that tragedy is over – we’ve endured this humiliation for just lacking one week of a year now – then, I think, it is time for us to have a complete investigation as to the diplomatic efforts that were made in the beginning, why they have been there so long, and when they came home, what did we have to do in order to bring that about – what arrangements were made? And I would suggest that Congress should hold such an investigation. In the meantime, I’m going to continue praying that they’ll carne home
I missed the investigation into the American Embassy take-over during Reagan’s reign. I may have missed it because I was in the Army and in Berlin for most of Reagan’s first term.
Oh, yeah–“Santa Fe Trail” was a straw man argument. How many people in 1980 even remembered that Ronald Reagan role?
http://youtu.be/Qrz7HpYOJlo
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf
Don’t think that because you live in the US you’re not a slave ! Just look how it has changed in 35 years.
And do not forget Obama’s proxies in Syria…
http://d3dyqb2m69ozbp.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/1897009_785305928198246_3545513631920066141_n.jpg
We have a history of undermining or deposing brutal dictators in the Middle East, then when they are gone we end up with a huge case of buyer’s remorse. In other words, in that part of the world, the devil known is usually far better than the devil unknown.
Yes fairly much agree there.
You only have to look at the New Iraq and Syria.
Christian minorities more persecuted now than ever before. Womens rights totally eroded in Iraq.
And of course when Iraq was an ally of the West under Saddam for the most part they didn’t seem to give a shite about human rights abuses or gassing of Kurds or Marsh Arabs for donkeys years. Until it was generally time to overthrow that regime. Same in Syria. The west didn’t give a stuff about a Tinamen Square time pro democracy massacre in Syria back in the late 80s or early 90s. Now any socalled infringement by the regime there is touted and tut tutted. Even though the Rebels/terrorist forces trying to overthrow that regime are turning out to be the bigger brutes and butchers.
Not up to Your usual standards Tony , recommended reading “The Lion of Panjshir” and “Massoud: From Warrior to Statesman” about Ahmad Shah Massoud , the leader of the Mujahadin and eventually the Northern Alliance . He fought the communist regime , the Russians and the Taliban , a genuine freedom fighter he was opposed to any form of totalitarianism whether it was communist/socialist or Islamic fundamentalist .
“Afghans want to regain their right to self-determination through a democratic or traditional mechanism acceptable to our people.… We are willing to move toward this noble goal. We consider this as part of our duty to defend humanity against the scourge of intolerance, violence and fanaticism.”
?Ahmad Shah Massoud
“Massoud is adamant that in Afghanistan women have suffered oppression for generations. He says that ‘the cultural environment of the country suffocates women. But the Taliban exacerbate this with oppression.’ His most ambitious project is to shatter this cultural prejudice and so give more space, freedom and equality to women—they would have the same rights as men.”
—Pepe Escobar, in ‘Massoud: From Warrior to Statesman’
Needless to say He was hated in equal measure by socialists , lefties , Islamofascists and their ilk the world over and eventually He was assassinated by Al Qaeda suicide bombers operating under orders from Osama bin Laden on September 9, 2001 ,
Except the US did not hire Osama Bin Laden to run them out. Osama’s little B’s actually got into fire fights with the guys we actually supported. Then there is the Pakistani Secret Police we did support who originally started the Taliban…
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I used to work for a guy who was living in Tehran at the beginning of the second revolution. He’s American, but he’d married an Iranian woman in the 60’s, and followed her back to Iran. He lived there for about 10 years, until it got too dangerous to stay.
He’s always maintained it was common knowledge in Iran that the CIA created both revolutions. He says there were places in Tehran where they’d give you $10 to throw a rock through the right window. The actual civil unrest was far less than it had been here in America, in the late 60’s. That’s part of the reason he’d moved there. It was quiet, prosperous, and by far the most westernized country in the middle east at the time. He hates Carter to this day, for drumming up a fake revolution where there was none. He thought the first revolution had turned out too good for Iran, and Carter was afraid of what a rich, stable, muslim country could do to the middle east. Countries who aren’t completely depentant on a single resourse (oil) are much harder to control, so the CIA installed the muslim fundamentalists.
I wasn’t there. I don’t know if this is true. But he firmly believes it, and insists that most Iranians also believed it when he left.