70s around Christmas? It’s looking likely — and it would crush records – The Washington Post
The DC area has had temperatures 70 or above on Christmas Day in 1893, 1932, 1933, 1955, 1964 and 1982. It was 80 degrees at Farmville, VA on Christmas Day 1955.
The article isn’t quite as awful as the headline, but fails to mention that 70 degree weather on Christmas was much more common around DC when CO2 was below 350 PPM.
There is a difference between weather and climate when it’s cold. When it’s warm, weather is the same as climate.
The central problem is that they can lie much faster than we can debunk the lies. Most people will read the headline and not pay a lot of attention but in the back of their minds they are left with the impression of “global warming”.
Now even if the newspaper ran a retraction of that story, it would be buried on a back page someplace and no one would see it. Besides, the initial impression has already left its seeds.
This is a hard game to win —- countering a widespread delusion.
You are spot on Mark. The first one to get the headline wins. It doesn’t matter if it is a complete lie. That is the whole goal of propaganda and mudslinging.
Gail,
Someone once mentioned that we need a lot of “one liner” retorts to the propaganda rather than a lot of dry science and logic. The person also mentioned we need graphs that show the lies of the other side.
I can agree, but they are lying and creating fraudulent “records” by the day. They have 100s of billions of dollars and thousands of “certified experts” to create propaganda.
A simple honest graph of the temperatures of the last 1,000 years or so should convince anyone that Mother Nature is in charge of temperatures on this planet. Here is one that is a bit longer:
http://www.longrangeweather.com/images/gtemps.jpg
Mark I always liked this one:
http://i.snag.gy/BztF1.jpg
or this one:
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/gisp-last-10000-new.png
The real question is how cold will it get?
The paper: Can we predict the duration of an interglacial? Gives the calculated solar insolation values @ 65°N on June 22 for several glacial inceptions:
Current value – insolation = 479W m?2 (from that paper)
MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m?2,
MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m?2,
MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m?2,
MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m?2,
MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m?2
So the earth is in the correct ballpark for the start of a BIG ice age. The Holocene interglacial is now 11,717 years old. That’s two centuries or so beyond half the present precession cycle (or 23,000/2=11,500) the Little Ice Age was right on time. (Thank you Grand Solar Maximum.) Only one interglacial , MIS-11, since the Mid-Pleistocene Transition has lasted longer than about half a precession cycle.
Lisiecki & Raymo’s landmark paper A Pliocene-Pleistocene stack of 57 globally distributed benthic D18O records as well as several others say only a high level of CO2 will keep glacial inception from occurring.
And Politicians want to REDUCE the CO2 ****that might just keep us out of the Ice Box? Are they crazy or do they have a death wish!?
**** It takes 5.44 W/sq.m to raise the tempearture 1 degree C according to the Stefan-Boltzmann law assuming the average surface temperature is 288K. The entire CO2 forcing is 32 to 44 W m–2 [cf., Reid, 1997]. and all but 5 to 6 W m–2 of that forcing occurs in the first 200 ppm CO2. A CO2 level where plants barely survive.
Don’t you mean “certifiable experts”? 🙂
There is a similar tactic used in the politics. Lies spread about an opponent or antagonist take far longer to clean up than they do the produce and disseminate. It’s like the litter bug throwing stuff out the car window as they drive down the road. Takes them little time and effort to spread their garbage far and wide but cleaning it up is tedious and time consuming.
Speaking of lies, here is a great example by a ‘Skeptic’ It is a comment at A state ideology: Mark Steyn was breathtakingly good in his Congressional Testimony today.
Radical Rodent had an excellent rebuttal further down the comment list.
Seems Anthony’s shoot from the hit slam at Steven Goddard is still solidly lodged in Shollenberger’s head.
Maybe someone should remind Brandon about this:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/14/problematic-adjustments-and-divergences-now-includes-june-data/
BTW, I have not seen Brandon on WUWT since he got himself a new one torn out during a discussion a few months of Greenland in the MWP.
Sorry…”a few months ago, of Greenland…
I am also pretty sure that DCA was also over 70 degrees on 12/25/65. I remember playing golf that day when a thunderstorm came through during early afternoon and dropped heavy hail. The ground was partially covered by the hail, causing an unusual white Christmas on a 70 degree day.
I checked the record for 12/25/65 and National Airport was only 67. The local forecast was for low 70’s, but the thunderstorm hit around 1 PM and ended the heating for that day.
Well the weather sure made up for it today. It is a freezing 25F in sunny central North Carolina at 9:10 AM. BRRRrrrr
Sunny So. AZ had a couple of 16F. nights last week but we have climbed back up, 34F. yesterday at sunup and today a bit later it is already 40. Nearly every day we have something like a 30 degree Fahrenheit swing during the day. Cloud cover arrived yesterday, so we didn’t quite make the 70’s. This is why I know the climate “scientists” are fraudsters. They are stressing over 2 degrees C. / 3.5 or so F. ? I wish I could believe the world is warming up. I hate cold!
The climate never stays the same and given a choice between warm or cold I will take warm, thank you very much. It is why I talked Hubby into moving from New England to North Carolina even though I like to ski and winter hike.
Warmer means Canada, Russia and China can grow more food further north and there is less drought so whats not to like?
COLD:
http://stommel.tamu.edu/~baum/paleoveg/veg-adams-big.gif
WARM: (Holocene Optimum ~ 3C warmer)
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/afr(9ky.gif
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/NEW_MAPS/eurasia5.gif
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/NEW_MAPS/southam3.gif
http://www.geo.arizona.edu/palynology/nam_p05k.gif
This is the present N.A. for comparison
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/NAprsnt.gif
I put this together yesterday which relates to this: https://www.facebook.com/realclimatedata/photos/a.380221265518486.1073741825.380218342185445/469989023208376/?type=3&theater