Scientists Recycling The Identical Scam Century After Century

In 1934, scientists said the Arctic is melting and Manhattan is going to drown.

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15 Apr 1934, Page 33 – The Lincoln Star

Eighty two years later, nothing has changed in Manhattan – and scientists are recycling the identical BS.

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45 Responses to Scientists Recycling The Identical Scam Century After Century

  1. mogur says:

    That’s the thing, Tony. Scientists change their hypotheses when better data happens. Quoting the press from 1934 does not mean that the scientists agreed with them. It means that they didn’t have as much quality data to support their hypotheses as they do now. And the sensationalist press always wants to make an impression.

    Yes, even leading scientists decades ago said some very wrong things, otherwise plate tectonics, and the peopling of the Americas would still be mired in tradition instead of fact. But that is the beauty of science, it honors conservatism so that frivolous hypotheses are not instantly embraced. But it also allows progressive ideas to flourish within the bounds of scrutiny.

    We grow together, my friend. Please tell us when we aren’t on point. But old newspaper and magazine articles do not cut it.

    • tonyheller says:

      Rejecting history because it is old, is not a sensible thing to do. Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it.

      • mogur says:

        Rejecting science because it is old is exactly what is needed. Those that honor old science, are doomed to repeat it.

        • Steve Case says:

          Rejecting science that is wrong is exactly what’s needed.

        • Sunsettommy says:

          Mogur,

          The newer claims are not even based on science since they are based on unverified climate modeling scenarios.

          From the NYT link:

          “Sea level may increase several meters over 50 to 150 years, paper says”

          Doesn’t meet the Scientific Method.

          “Separate study last month warned that New York, London, Rio de Janeiro and Shanghai will be among the cities that could flood by 2100”

          Doesn’t meet the Scientific Method.

          “Warming of 2°C above pre-industrial times would risk submerging cities”

          Doesn’t meet the Scientific Method.

          You make clear you are in awe of junkscience as modeling scenarios far into the future are worthless for science research.

          Quit making a fool of yourself here.

          • David A says:

            Indeed, it was not better data as much as the data likely changed, as in the late 30s to early 40s we were warming rapidly, and then cooling until the “Ice age scare”, now we are melting again. Assuming linear or worse trends in weather makes one a poor scientists, but likely a proficient political agenda propagandist.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          “Rejecting science because it is old is exactly what is needed?”

          I hear they say such dumbfounding things on Progressive TV. Is your real name Bill?

        • Robertv says:

          Prof Proton & Bill Nye Meet

          https://youtu.be/S0wg0uA79CU

        • tonyheller says:

          30 years from now, people will be stunned by how stupid and dishonest scientists were 30 years earlier.

          • Andy DC says:

            We don’t have to wait 30 years to find out how stupid and dishonest climate scientists are. What about Hansen’s prediction from 1988 that parts of NYC would be underwater by now? What about all the forecasts that we would be getting more/worse hurricanes, when in fact we are in a record hurricane drought? What about the statements about snow being a thing of the past and that the ski industry was doomed, when if anything snow has become more plentiful? What about the forecasts of worse and longer heatwaves, when the heatwaves of the 1930’s have not been approached in recent years? The list of failed predictions goes on and on.

        • RAH says:

          You mean like this science Mogur?
          2015 Updated NOAA Tide Gauge Data Shows No Coastal Sea Level Rise Acceleration
          https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/28/2015-updated-noaa-tide-gauge-data-shows-no-coastal-sea-level-rise-acceleration/comment-page-1/#comment-2225286

          “Unfortunately misleading, erroneous and inaccurate information about sea level rise issues is often used by climate alarmists to try and make their case. Extensive NOAA tide gauge data measured at hundreds of coastal locations around the U.S.many with measurement periods longer than 100 years do not support claims of coastal sea level rise acceleration.

          Except to suckers like Mogur of course.

          • Marty says:

            He’s technically not a sucker, he is fooling himself, he wants to “believe”.

            What is that called again.. oh yeah self delusion

        • Marty says:

          mogur says:
          May 28, 2016 at 2:38 am

          Rejecting science because it is old is exactly what is needed. Those that honor old science, are doomed to repeat it.”

          But your whole cause is based on ancient papers. Tyndal 1859
          Arrhenius’s paper 1896

          BOOM Swish 3 points

        • DennisA says:

          We are constantly told that “the science” on global warming has been known for over a century, quoting Tyndall, Arrhenius, and Fourier. Suggest you point out to Greenpeace and others who make this claim that this old science should be rejected.

          It should be anyway because it is incorrect:
          http://greenhouse.geologist-1011.net

        • Sunsettommy says:

          Notice Mogur, runs away after I point out to him his warmist religion is not based on the Scientific Method?

          I reject the AGW modeling pseudoscience as they are commonly untestable piles of crap. They run their computer generated fantasies to year 2050,2100 and even 3100 and call it science.

          They don’t even realize they refute their own CO2 cult from the start in 1990. That is how sick they are.

      • Marty says:

        True that T. They seem to have selective Amnesia, and we know historically that selective Amnesia is political just as much as revisionism.

    • AndyG55 says:

      “We grow together, my friend”…. puke-time.

      You are NO friend to anyone in the world except those sucking off the AGW trough.

      You support an agenda that would DENY solid reliable electricity for millions, possibly billions around the world and trap their countries in continued third world development.

      An agenda that would force millions into energy poverty and destroy the economy of whole countries, all in the name of socialist totalitarianism

      An agenda that thinks avian devastation is “ok” so long as its in the name of the agenda.

      You and your ilk ABSOLUTELY DISGUST me.

    • DennisA says:

      “But old newspaper and magazine articles do not cut it.”

      Exactly they do. Where do the Press get their ideas from? Science by press release from scientists, who then blame the press for the lurid headlines.

    • Billy Liar says:

      Please tell us when we aren’t on point.

      She thinks she’s a scientist!!

    • Marty says:

      I find that ironic, the warmunists will say “that 2004 paper is old science has moved on” and then they will cite the 1896 paper on CO2 to refute a 2008 study.

      Just cant be consistent, it’s like that with pseudo arguments

  2. Tom Moran says:

    No one is rejecting science by pointing out its flaws.

  3. AndyG55 says:

    “Scientists say that devastating climate change will take place sooner that thought.”

    See, they DO know about the AMO heading down, a strong La Nina coming , and the Sun having a sleep.

    They just got their model up-side-down.

    Nothing unusual in that, for “climate scientists™”

    • oeman50 says:

      You mean like Mikey’s Tiljander sediment data?

      • AndyG55 says:

        I’ve heard of this Mickey Mouse guy (I think that was his name) that used to often turn a data series upside down to try to make it match his theory.

      • Marty says:

        Lol and that wasn’t the biggest problem with the proxy use either, it is a known contaminated proxy due to development of the area

      • Marty says:

        As if you can use a lake sediment data to show anything about the AMO anyways.

        More Mikey pseudo science.

        Mikey likes to cook with paleo. It’s easy.

        You put your cake mix into a cold oven, leave for 100 years then do a paleo reconstruction to show the oven has got warmer over the 100 years, and it cooks the cake

      • Marty says:

        As such, morons believe they feel warmer as a result of NASA cooling 1880 to 1960 with adjustments, morons think they really feel that warming baaahahahaha

  4. Robertv says:

    As long as progressives are in power nothing will change. And the Federal Reserve, enacted December 23, 1913, is the financial enabler to keep them in power.

    There are no good cancers.

  5. Eliza says:

    It is absolutely freezing here in South America, Brazil, Paraguay, Argentina, Bolivia for the past FOUR weeks about 10C below average. Its not even winter. Expect snow to reach amazon or southern parts of it this year, unless a huge strong high develops over Southern Atlantic off Brazil Coast and is permanent for months at least.

    • DMH says:

      The low solar radiation is already having its effect on the fast shift of the ENSO back into negative phase
      http://stateoftheocean.osmc.noaa.gov/sur/images/nino34_short.gif

      and a new La Nina could form as early as Aug/Sep
      http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/plots/satanom.gbl.d-00.png

      World temperatures should follow the same pattern.
      I’m expecting the end of this year to be colder than the end of 2011 and the end of 2012 (strong La Nina’s in both cases) and the 1st semester of 2017 colder than the corresponding period of 2013, when the “recovery of the Arctic ice” happened.

      It’s a matter of time now, but soon it’ll be evident for everyone that we are entering a period of fast cooling that will probably last many years.

      I also believe that the Antarctic ice will start to grow again in the 2nd semester as it did in the 2nd semester of 2012, because solar radiation is now even lower than then.

  6. RAH says:

    Meanwhile NOAA gets honest about sea level rise:
    2015 Updated NOAA Tide Gauge Data Shows No Coastal Sea Level Rise Acceleration
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/28/2015-updated-noaa-tide-gauge-data-shows-no-coastal-sea-level-rise-acceleration/comment-page-1/#comment-2225286

    Not that it matters much to this trucker if we have a few feet of sea level rise:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qabvyULJ9XA

  7. Pops says:

    What’s embarrassing is the newspaper caption implying that Manhattan would be flooded by melting Arctic ice . That’s approximately equivalent to fudging data to “prove” a theory (well, really, to promote a political agenda), except that the former could be due to ignorance while the latter clearly isn’t.

  8. mogur says:

    Okay, I see that opinions here are heart felt. In 1937, scientists were wrong. Scientists are not Donald Trump. They can be wrong. The Donald is not wrong, he just meant something else.

    So, let us review, scientists can error, and they didn’t mean something else. I see how this logic goes.

    • RAH says:

      Unfortunately you see nothing I fear. All many of us seek is the truth and politics has NOTHING to do with that. One cannot be a truth seeker and a hard core political partisan at the same time. Poliotically my allegiance belongs to the Constitution and the ideas upon which this country was founded before any politician or any other social/political idea. To what do you give your allegiance?

      • mogur says:

        I give my allegiance to the republic for which I stand. “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

        Politics has NOTHING to do with it. The Donald can just go fuck himself. If the majority of Americans think that he is the best of our country, then I will not demean him anymore. I will uphold the tradition of giving the duly elected president my utmost respect. Wish that you fools could have had such regard for Obama.

  9. RickS says:

    That picture of New York City submerged under water is “AWESOME” !

    What a clean place NYC would become, all of the trash, smell, crap washed away !!

    And via your own Ski Boat you could ride right up to your Condo/Apartment/Office with a 360° Ocean View !!!

    That would be AWESOME !

    I’m moving to New York City…

  10. DMH says:

    I don’t know how to post the images and graphs in this new site… :-(

    • DMH says:

      but it looks like I just did it! :-) The other graph in my reply to Eliza above was the fast dropping Nino-34

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