Actually – We See The Same BS From Mark Serreze Every Year

Mark Serreze said this mindless idiocy a few days ago.

“We’ve never seen anything like this before,” said Mark Serreze, who directs the (NSIDC) center. “It’s way below the previous record, very far below it, and we’re something like almost a month ahead of where we were in 2012.”

‘We’ve never seen anything like this’: Arctic sea ice hit a stunning new low in May – The Washington Post

Here is Mark’s BS from 2007.



Here is his BS from 2008.

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28 Jun 2008, Page 8 – Southern Illinoisan

Arctic sea ice extent is actually right where it always is this time of year, and melting at a record slow pace.

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Ocean and Ice Services | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut

There is almost no melt occurring in the Arctic, as I have pointing out the last few weeks and getting widely attacked by the usual climate fraudsters.


Arctic sea ice is also the second thickest it has been since 2009.

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I’ve caught Serreze tampering with data on several occasions, most recently when he made huge areas of five year old ice disappear.


NSIDC Busted! | Real Science

Serreze is just one of many government funded climate fraudsters here in Boulder, but his dishonest behavior is very typical.

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44 Responses to Actually – We See The Same BS From Mark Serreze Every Year

  1. Mr GrimNasty says:

    “Arctic sea ice is also the thickest it has been since 2009.”

    Except 2015? Makes no odds though, still indicates Arctic ice levels have been essentially stable in recent years (if they even matter in the grand scheme of things).

    • AndyG55 says:

      If it hadn’t been for the strong El Nino, 2016 would probably be above 2015 at this stage.

      NEXT YEAR there will not be an El Nino, and I suspect Arctic sea ice levels will be significantly higher than even 2015.

  2. John says:

    Meanwhile, Antarctica continues to be at or near record ice extent.

  3. Andy DC says:

    The Arctic Lunatics are screaming from their psycho wards, even if the Arctic is not.

  4. Sunsettommy says:

    Mark Serreze,

    the idiot who never stops his politically based propaganda.

    How many times does this man have to be wrong before warmists finally back away from him?

    • AndyG55 says:

      Being MONUMENTALLY WRONG seems to be a badge of honour to them.

      Shows what they think of the word “honour”, doesn’t it.

    • Jason Calley says:

      “How many times does this man have to be wrong before warmists finally back away from him?”

      It doesn’t matter how many times he is wrong. Alarmists have no sense of time. Anything that happened more than a year ago is ancient history, and what alarmist ever cared about ancient history?

  5. DennisA says:

    “First-Hand Accounts from 19th Century Explorers’ Logs for the Canadian Arctic Reflect Similar Climate Conditions as Present”.
    Kevin R, Wood • Arctic Research Qffice & James E Overland • Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory, 2004

    “Examination of explorers’ logs for the western Arctic from 1818 to 1910 reveals that climate indicators such as navigability, the distribution and thickness of annual sea ice, monthly surface air temperature, and the onset of melt and freeze were within the present range of variability.”

    “Both sea ice extent and the onset of melt and freeze were compared to the 30-
    year reference period 1971-2000; monthly means are compared to the 50-year period
    1951-2000. Modern sea ice thickness records are less continuous, and some terminate in the 1980s; the reference period is therefore based on 19 to 26 years of homogeneous

  6. Alf says:

    Dennis; A very interesting article. Should be sent to The Great White North for comment.

  7. Craig T says:

    Sea ice thickness is an odd thing to focus on, seeing how the thinnest ice will melt first. Here is the PIOMAS sea ice volumes for May. For the satellite record 2016 has the lowest volume in May.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Start at 1979.. bottom the AMO

      ….. there’s a good little propagandist ;-)

      • Craig T says:

        As did Tony’s ice thickness graph.

        You are right that sea ice charts were made long before satellites gave us daily updates. Let’s look at a full rise and fall of the AMO and how it impacts Arctic sea ice:

        • AndyG55 says:

          Piddling little time, isn’t it

          Especially when biomarkers etc show us that the first 3/4 of the Holocene was basically ice free in summer.

          • Craig T says:

            Yes, it’s a piddling 60 years, but long enough to show the Arctic sea ice doesn’t vary with the AMO.

          • AndyG55 says:

            We will see, won’t we.

            Keep that rag handy to wipe the egg off your face over the next several years. ;-)

        • AndyG55 says:

          That pre 1979 sea ice looks like a fabrication from an alarmista. Maybe one of Mann’s friends.?

          How was it measured. ?

          • Craig T says:

            “Historical observations were gridded and combined with satellite-derived sea ice concentrations for the recent decades. ”

            Probably even sea charts of the Icelandic coast.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Gridded by whom ?

          • AndyG55 says:

            And please, don’t say by the NASA guys.

            That would be too funny.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Amazing how different it is from the IPCC version, which shows 1974 around the same as 1991. ;-)

            Amazing how facts always seem to change to meet the “agenda”

    • AndyG55 says:

      When are you Arctic sea ice worriers going to realise that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING UNTOWARD happening with Arctic sea ice levels.

      Its behaving exactly as you would expect, related to the AMO and the buffeting it got from this year’s El Nino.

  8. AndyG55 says:

    reality is that Piomass is above all years since 2010 except 2015.

    • Craig T says:

      Start at 1979…

    • Craig T says:

      So the May Arctic sea ice extent and volume is at it’s lowest (since 1979) but at least the ice we have is thicker than 5 of the last 6 years.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Such a piddling little time, and coming out of the coldest period in the last 10,000 years.

        Biodata shows that the first 3/4 of the Holocene was often ICE FREE in summer.

        They even have a name for the period leading up to that COLD period, that we are still in…. Neoglaciation.

        Nowhere near that , are we.

        Arctic sea ice actually anomalously HIGH compared to most of the Holocene.

        Or are you going to do a ‘Jimbo’ and DENY these facts too.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Well, well,

          It looks as though Craig T is just as much of a COWARD as Jimbo in admitting the truth.

          ALWAYS the way.

      • AndyG55 says:


        I do have to wonder why you are continually trying to make a mountain out of trivial, minor weather and cyclic sea ice changes.

        What is YOUR reason for trying to perpetuate the sea ice CON ?

      • Mr GrimNasty says:

        It’s of no consequence whatsoever other than that propagandists want to to make believe the Arctic is in a continuous death spiral ‘screaming’ and that is the fault of CO2.

        PIOMAS is a model – the clue’s in the name – it’s not real, and despite the climate alarm peer pressure to make every stat. a record, 2016 is a statistical tie with every year back to at least 2010, patently, i.e. decline has ceased according to this model.

        Ice thickness is a perfectly sensible thing to comment on as it indicates how resilient the vast majority of the substantially thick ice area will be over the melt season (it excludes shallow ice as I expect you know). ‘Experts’ are declaring a record summer low already, the evidence would suggest nothing exceptional compared to recent years will happen.

        From the horse’s mouth:-
        “Average ice thickness in May 2016 over the PIOMAS domain was fairly typical for recent years but about 15 cm below the 2015 value but a bit thicker than during prior record years.”

        There is no accurate Arctic ice data prior to the main satellite era bar earlier satellite photos. The (DMI) and other ice charts/records are extremely haphazard, most include a minority of actual observations and a mother load of assumed extent boundaries.

        To pretend that anyone has a clue what the Arctic was like prior 1970, in any way comparable to the level of detail measurable today, is a lie.

        Your AMO Sea Ice graph seems to have a pretty strong reverse correlation in the reliable data frame to me. Of course correlation is not causation – neither here nor with CO2. But your graph shoots your own point down rather nicely.

        Now perhaps you can tell me what the ‘correct’ Arctic ice extent should be this year, if CO2 were still 315ppm and everything else was equal.

  9. Chewer says:

    Well at least the melting has slowed a bit down south ;-)

  10. AndyG55 says:

    No anthropogenic signal in the general decline in Arctic sea ice since the LIA

  11. AndyG55 says:

    And a very clear AMO signal in ice around Iceland

  12. AndyG55 says:

    And let’s not forget all the “Arctic sea ice will disappear” scares.

    NONE of which have even remotely come true !

  13. AndyG55 says:

    The whole thing is a MONUMENTAL JOKE..

    … as are those pushing the CON !!

  14. Caleb says:

    This is Alarmist’s last chance. If they can’t get a new record after a strong El Nino, with both the AMO and PDO in warm spikes, and the Indian ocean warm, then their goose is cooked, because the times, they are a-changing. The cooler La Nina is already starting and the Indian Ocean is cooling, and the ordinary cycles will do their ordinary thing, (unless the “Quiet Sun”messes things up), and ice will likely build the next few years.

    I think the minimum will be the same as last year. It will be interesting watching, this summer.

    Besides Mark Serreze, I gather Peter Walhams is at it once again, predicting an ice-free Pole. I think those fellows got their hopes up over the winter, when the meridional flow imported so much milder air, especially up through the North Atlantic. It must be rough on them to be bitterly disappointed over and over and over and over….

    One of these days they’ll make these yearly predictions, and no one will show up to listen.

  15. Sunsettommy says:

    Yet to see credible evidence that a trace gas with a narrow frequency ban can cause a big ice meltdown in a region of the world that is below freezing above the 80N line for about 90% of the year.

  16. Andy says:

    Agree with Tony on this one, the main important months for sea ice minima in the Arctic is June to August. Sea ice extent has been low but now now ice retreat has halted for a while bringing it more in line with past years.


  17. Joe Bastardi says:

    whoa bucko. He was right, It was at a record low in May. Problem is and I have been saying this for 3 months, it wont reach a record low because its mid and late season melt rate will be below normal. CFSV2, though overdone IS SHOWING IT GOING ABOVE. So the counter to his hysteria is not challenging his record low May assertion, because IT WAS. its actually giving the forecast and kicking his butt again this summer on a) arctic ice not being gone and b) in this super warm year, not even hitting a new record low. But his statement on may was correct

    • Squidly says:

      Thanks Joe !! … Always great to hear from you and your rational mind!

      As for me, I don’t really give a rat’s rump if it all melts or not, as it makes no difference to anything. Polarbears don’t drown without a storm, and sea ice cannot raise sea levels. And finally, melted or not, it’s not likely I’m going to be riding my jetski up there any time soon.

      Keep up the fantastic work Joe!

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