Government Experts Say Polar Bears Have Been Extinct For 7,000 Years

The Obama Administration lurched back to their Polar Bear scam again, saying bears can’t survive without sea ice, the ice is disappearing, and that we can stop it by prohibiting Obama from flying 10,000 miles on a huge jet to play golf.

Human-Driven Global Warming Is Biggest Threat to Polar Bears, Report Says – The New York Times

Polar Bears don’t need ice all the time. The Arctic was ice-free 7,000 years ago, and Hudson Bay Polar bears survive without ice for several months every year. There is no indication the Arctic will be ice-free anytime soon and zero evidence that CO2 has any meaningful impact on the climate.

Less Ice In Arctic Ocean 6000-7000 Years Ago — ScienceDaily

None of the things they said had any validity to them, but that is the norm for the most dishonest President in American history.

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21 Responses to Government Experts Say Polar Bears Have Been Extinct For 7,000 Years

  1. Chewer says:

    Hmm, those pesky greenhouse gases really seem to be a problem, but how to remove water from the troposphere is a true dilemma.
    The last reported drop in polar bear numbers was because of too much spring ice, but that doesn’t show up in the press.

  2. Rah says:

    Watched a program on a hunter that took a Grizpol hybrid in N. Canada. Confirmed by DNA. White fur. Larger head than polar bear. Claws longer than a polar bear but shorter than a Grizzly. Dark circles around eyes.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Bleached, with seemingly larger head, overgrown toenails and dark circles around the eyes, eh? It could have been an emaciated polar bear exhausted from a long swim around the Arctic. Al Gore described such phenomena in his scientific movie.

    • R Shearer says:

      Sounds like George Soros.

  3. Rah says:

    Also a mix in the build of the animal. First confirmed hybrid found in the wild. Was surprised to learn that when Brown bears and Polar bears meet at a whale carcass the brown bears are dominant.

    • Martin says:

      Rah – you should check out Dr Susan Crockford’s blog – Polar Bear Science she has written several posts about claimed hybrids.

      Last summer there was a lot in the press about a polar/grizzly hybrid …….but less reported was the subsequent DNA analysis which proved the animal to be a blonde grizzly.

      https://polarbearscience.com/2016/06/21/breaking-dna-results-prove-so-called-polar-bear-hybrid-was-a-blonde-grizzly/

      • Gail Combs says:

        I just posted several excerpts by the comment is in moderation.

        She is not happy with all the lying.
        I will try this one link
        https://polarbearscience.com/2017/01/06/communicating-polar-bear-science-requires-a-rational-approach/

      • Eric Simpson says:

        probably dyed blond..

        And polar bears look like virtually “red heads” half the time. This one hadn’t quite rolled around in it yet but surely he would get to that…

      • RAH says:

        The Canadian Lab people that did the DNA analysis confirmed the Hybrid. It all came about because hunters with Polar bear tags are required to provide the hide, head, and various other body parts for confirmation that the species taken matched what they were sold a permit for.

        The Inuit hunting guide that had skinned the carcass and taken the parts required stated that the meat of the bear he skinned was much darker and had a different smell than that of a Polar bear. Polar bears smell like their staple diet of seal and their meat is lighter colored and oily he said. The meat on the bear he skinned was not like that.

        The Canadian authorities are the ones that did all of the checking according to the story. Initially they wrote on their form, species unknown, then sent the samples to their lab for analysis.

        The also interviewed a guy that has been responsible for tagging and radio tracking over 80 Brown bears. That guy said that Grizzlies, for what ever reason seemed to be migrating further north than before. He was the one that had the video they showed of Grizzlies and Polar bears interacting at a whale carcasses and stated that the Grizzlies were dominate which was exactly what the video they showed indicated. One Grizzly ran three polar bears off the carcass.

        Though if my memory serves male polar bears are larger the male Grizzlies. Grizzlies are far more interactive with each other than polar bears and tend to bicker and fight a lot more than the more solitary polar bears.

        They also interviewed the taxidermist that mounted the bear and he also said the build and head and claws were unlike any polar bear he had seen.

        All in all a pretty convincing presentation.

  4. Rah says:

    Am heading out for a 2nd Seward run.

  5. Griff says:

    The Hudson Bay polar bears are however suffering due to the increased time the bay is ice free in recent years…

    This is from a researcher who has worked with that population:
    http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/news-room/scientists-and-explorers-blog/tough-times-hudson-bay-polar-bears

    Elsewhere, no femal polar bears will have been able to reach denning sites on Svalbard on the nearby Kongsoya isles this year: there was no sea ice in December when they need to reach there and there still isn’t.

    Polar bears may have survived before but that’s no guarantee this time.

    From the article above:

    “Polar bears thrive in a “sweet spot” of sea ice conditions: not too thick, not too much, not too thin, and not too little. 
    Going forward in time, we’re unlikely to ever see negative effects from too thick or too much sea ice: Those days are long gone across the Arctic. The biggest challenge we face is ice that is too little or too thin. “

    • Gail Combs says:

      Dr S. J. Crockford is a zoologist with more than 35 years experience, including published work on the Holocene history of Arctic animals. Like Ian Stirling, grand-daddy of all polar bear biologists, she earned her undergraduate degree in zoology at the University of British Columbia. Polar bear evolution is one of her professional interests… link with books and peer-reviewed papers

      From Polar Bear Science:
      December 16, 2016 W. Hudson Bay had 1030 polar bears at last count and that is the official number

      The IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group, the IUCN Red List, and Environment Canada (see below) agree that the population size of Western Hudson Bay subpopulation is 1030….

      For the last few months (most recently, here and here), Andrew Derocher has been telling anyone who will listen that that the number is 800. And no one challenges him – not a single reporter asks where the number comes from, not a single research colleague who knows the truth has publicly stated that Derocher is spreading misinformation….

      Fake news on polar bear survival predictions is political posturing

      I call this fake news because it’s not news – media headlines around the world today (New York Times, Washington Post, DailyMail) are trumpeting the release of a final version of a draft report released with similar fanfare more than a year ago, announced today by the US Fish & Wildlife Service in the official US government publication, Federal Register.

      “Without action on climate change, say goodbye to polar bears” is exactly the kind of sensationalized nonsense I address in my new detailed science book, Polar Bears: Outstanding Survivors of Climate Change

      What the USFWS don’t tell the citizens that pay their salaries (in their Conservation Management Plan or their discussions with the press), is that since 2007 (see images above), summer sea ice coverage has declined to levels their sea ice colleagues said would not occur until 2050 yet 2/3 of the world’s polar bears did not disappear as USGS biolgists predicted (which is what got the bears listed as ‘threatened’ under the ESA). They also don’t tell folks that the recent decline in population size recorded for the Southern Beaufort Sea was caused by thick spring sea ice in 2004-2006, not reduced summer sea ice.

      Perhaps it’s not a coincidence that this old hype is being recycled as ‘news’ prior to the inauguration of President-elect Trump? …

      If there is much of substance in this document (pdf here) that differs from the draft (pdf here), it would take a page by page analysis to discover (I discussed an interview with polar bear biologist Mitch Taylor regarding that 2015 draft report here)….

      Communicating polar bear science requires a rational approach

      My most requested public lecture, Polar Bears: Outstanding Survivors of Climate Change, has been hugely popular with audiences in my Canadian home town of Victoria, British Columbia, and my newly-released book with the same title (based on that lecture) promises to be similarly successful. Here are some thoughts on both.

      Recently (5 January 5, 2017), I gave another free lecture about polar bears to a local non-profit organization through my university’s Speakers Bureau. I’ve been doing this since 2009, although the shear volume of requests has been much higher this past year than previously. As before, my lecture was warmly received and audience members asked questions indicating they had been listening with an open mind. A colleague I spoke to expressed surprise at that outcome, given where I live.

      Keep in mind that Victoria is home to litigation-prone IPCC climate scientist turned BC provincial Green Party politician Andrew Weaver (in whose riding I happen to reside) as well as one of the many targets of fake Nobel Laureate Michael Mann and his over-sensitive ego, veteran climate scientist Tim Ball (who defends the defamation lawsuit filed against him by Mann at trial in Vancouver, B.C. 20 February 2017, an event which defender of free speech and fellow defendant against Mann’s litigious wrath, Mark Steyn, has said he’ll be attending). And yes, in a sort of home-town science brawl, Weaver also sued Tim Ball, but that case has not yet gone to court. Victoria is also the constituency of our lone federal Green Party Member of Parliament, Elizabeth May. Canadian journalist Donna Laframboise once described Victoria as “one of the most left-leaning corners of the country.”

      So it is into this virtual lion’s den of anthropogenic global warming champions that I venture, several times a month, to enlighten adults, teachers, and students who have been left with the impression that there are only a few hundred starving polar bears left in the world.1

      The secret to the kind of reception I receive – even in my town – is to present the relevant facts without emotional overtones and let audiences make up their own minds about what they think of the situation…..

    • Martin says:

      Griff, Polar Bears International is an environmental advocacy group – the report you link to is bythe activist/”scientist” Andrew Derocher.

      Amongst Derocher’s disinformation campaign he recently claimed that the West Hudson Bay polar bear population was 800 (based on a small mark-recapture survey) despite the official total based on a large aerial survey being 1030.

      https://polarbearscience.com/2016/12/16/w-hudson-bay-had-1030-polar-bears-at-last-count-and-that-is-the-official-number/

      • Hivemind says:

        Please don’t say “activist/scientist”. It’s an oxymoron. Somebody is either an activist or a scientist.

        Derocher has demonstrated that he is an activist, not a scientist by his use of false numbers to panic people into causing self-harm.

        • Martin says:

          I described Derocher as an activist/”scientist” – the position I chose for the quotation marks is deliberate :)

    • gator69 says:

      Griff, like all leftists, prefers his news faked.

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        He’s a polar bear denier. Also, he studied polar bears by watching Al Gore’s PowerPoint movie and he became a prominent, internationally known denier of Dr. Crockford’s expertise, right Griff?

        • gator69 says:

          Right. Not “scientist”, but maybe “science guy”?

          With a rough 2016 officially behind us, and a foreboding 2017 ahead, maybe we all need a good dose of 1990’s nostalgia. This Spring, Bill Nye will make his long-awaited return to our screens with his new Netflix show, Bill Nye Saves the World.

          The Science Guy and his band of correspondents—model Karlie Kloss, Xploration Outer Space host Emily Calandrelli, comedians Joanna Hausmannm and Nazeem Hussain, and Veritasium host Derek Muller—will explore some of the most complex scientific topics of the day, from climate change, vaccines and genetically modified organisms (GMOs).

          http://www.ecowatch.com/bill-nye-netflix-save-the-world-2178458816.html

          • Eric Simpson says:

            “You can’t have a unfalsifiable hypothesis that says ‘whatever happens is consistent with my hypothesis.’ If it rains, that’s consistent with my hypothesis. If there’s drought, a flood, if it snows, if it’s cold, if there’s heat it’s consistent with my hypothesis. That’s a hypothesis that has no information for forecasting because it says anything can happen.” -John Christy

            Above excerpt from:
            John Christy: Climatologist – Science, Politics and Morality, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvO7bBuTRno

  6. Gail Combs says:

    Zero Hedge points out Griffy’s problem. He can not tell the difference between an Elite and an Expert.

    …The best thing about being a member of the elite is that you really don’t have to do anything to become one. You can be born one – no matter how dumb or drug-addled you are, if you’re a Kennedy you’re elite regardless of how many times you blow the bar exam. Or you can become one by getting into the right school – remember, a Harvard degree does not mean you did well at Harvard. Everyone at Harvard does well – an “A” is a participation trophy. It’s getting in that matters, and getting in depends, in significant part, on who you are. Elite mom and dad, welcome to the Ivy League.

    The elites, having been called out for their failure, are now trying to rebrand themselves as “experts.” It’s important to distinguish “elites” from “experts.” Elites want to be seen as experts because an expert is assumed to actually know something and to have some sort of technical skill. To be elite, you just have to be accepted as elite. That’s why elitists fudge the terms; they want the credibility of being experts without actually having to do what a real expert does.

    Take, for example, the notorious New Yorker cartoon of the passenger on the plane electing himself pilot. The point, which the elitists think is brilliant, is that the running of government should be left to the experts without the participation of you people. Of course, pilots are trained in detailed technical skills and, critically, are accountable for their performance. If they fail, they get fired – or worse. [Insert Kennedy pilot joke here] If an elitist fails at an important job, she gets nominated for president. See the difference?

    The point they want to make is that we should submit to their “expert” (really, elite) guidance, since we are unfit to determine our own destiny. Yet, when piloting this country over the last couple decades, these elites have flown the plane straight into the ground. Real experts are held accountable, but elites never are. Their landing is always soft – it’s never the elites who suffer while the normal prosper, only the other way around. The elitists always win – that’s why they are called “elite.”

    Remember, whenever anyone tells you to blindly give up your input and rely on an “expert,” you stand a good chance of being scammed….

    The rest of the article is really good.

  7. Eric Simpson says:

    CaptJack ‏@Trawlercap 11h11 hours ago
    @SteveSGoddard @Carbongate I hear they want to protect polar bears from “climate change” good one, from 7k in 60’s to 30k now

    In so many things we are seeing a reverse correlation between CO2 and the doomsters’ predictions, like with polar bears. Co2 rises steadily since the ’60s, and the population of the bloodthirsty man-eating polar bears goes through the roof.

    Same with agricultural production. The leftist loons predicted rising Co2 would spell catastrophic declines in agricultural production. Yet it’s exactly the opposite that is true … as increased Co2 has instead spurred sharp increases in farm output:

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