Multi-year Arctic Sea Ice Extent At Ten Year High

Eight years ago, government climate fraudsters announced that Arctic multi-year sea ice was gone.

Now they say it is vanishing. It isn’t clear how something which was gone eight years ago is now vanishing.

The extent of multi-year sea ice is actually at a ten year high.

You can reproduce this using this script, which assumes that white pixels have a red value greater than 240/255.

set MONTH=`date +%m`
set DAY=`date +%d`
set DAY=09
rm -f MYI_${DATE}.csv
foreach year (2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017)
    set LABEL=${MONTH}/${DAY}/${year}
    rm -f ice_type_nh_${year}${DATE}1200.jpg
    rm -f ice_type_nh_${year}${DATE}1200.gif
    echo ice_type_nh_${year}${DATE}1200.jpg
    curl -O${year}/${MONTH}/ice_type_nh_${year}${DATE}1200.jpg
    convert ice_type_nh_${year}${DATE}1200.jpg -gravity center -pointsize 72 label:$LABEL -append ice_type_nh_${year}${DATE}1200.gif
    convert ice_type_nh_${year}${DATE}1200.jpg ice_type_nh_${year}${DATE}1200.txt
    echo $year","`grep '#F' ice_type_nh_${year}${DATE}1200.txt | wc | awk -F" " '{print $1}'` >> MYI_${DATE}.csv
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124 Responses to Multi-year Arctic Sea Ice Extent At Ten Year High

  1. Jim Hunt says:

    As I have repeatedly pointed out to you Tony, the Canadian Ice Service sees remarkably little multi-year sea ice in Canadian waters, so why do you persist with this nonsense?

    • R. Shearer says:

      Are you colour blind?

    • RAH says:

      Why do you persist with cherry picking one source at one region when Tony’s post is about the whole Arctic? Dispute the WHOLE STORY Jim in the context presented or go away.

    • Sunsettommy says:


      you keep ignoring the data based evidence that Tony provides,He left you the link and posted the chart based on it, when will you address it,Jimmy?

      You keep avoiding it,to push YOUR version. That is dishonest since you don’t address HIS source at all.

      • Jim Hunt says:

        The “evidence” Tony provides is evidently inaccurate Tommy.

        • gator69 says:

          Even if Tony is inaccurate, it is killing nobody. Just the opposite of your efforts GJ.

          How many?

        • AndyG55 says:

          Russian sea ice charts CONCUR that 2017 has more multi-year sea ice than any since 2008

          What do the Canadian ice charts say about total Arctic multi-year ice, Jimbo??

          Your DISHONESTY is on display for all to see, yet again

          You have accused TH of being incorrect, when he has used some perfectly appropriate data.

          But your data source cannot provide an answer that contradicts him, can it.

          Come on you addled-brain wastrel… fess-up !!

        • Sunsettommy says:

          Ha ha,

          you never made the case that the sea ice data he used is wrong. You are also avoiding the Russian sea ice chart, covering the same 10 year period, Tony used.

          Tony post is about ALL of the Arctic region,to make his claim of an increase since 2008,a TEN YEAR period. You never address that at all,since you know can’t,or you would countered have in the very first comment.

          You on the other hand keep babbling about a regional area of the Arctic, with a SINGLE days worth of data of this year only.

          You say he is wrong,but you never demonstrate WHY you think his data source is wrong.You just make unsupported assertions, that your source is better than his.

          Most people by now will notice that you keep avoiding the TEN year period and covering ALL of the Arctic,that Tony covers in the blog post. You are not even on the same page Tony is on about the topics scope.

          I am thinking you are high on hallucinogenic drugs,to be this stupid.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Just been spending some time looking at different dates from DMI, and wind charts

            It is almost certain that the tiny area that Jimbo the clown is disputing is at least partially “older ice” that was blown across from above the NW Passage.

            It is obviously a region that could be classed as EITHER 1st year or 2nd year (multi-) as it is almost certainly a mixture of both.

            The BIG fact is that while the Russian maps do not classify that particular 50/50 area as “multi-year ” like OSI does, the Russian charts STILL appear to show 2017 above all years since 2008 for multi-year sea ice.

          • Sunsettommy says:

            Jim, focus on just that small region,ignores all the rest,based on a single day of a single year.

            Tony, focus on the Entire region,with a 10 year period.

            Apples to Carrots is what it is.

    • gator69 says:

      Who cares? And Why?

      Going for 8,000,000 this year?

    • Cam says:

      Why do you neglect to show the eastern side of that image which has a ton of old ice in it? Also, in your link, you have last weeks image compared to this weeks. The entire sector -150 has now gone from medium first year ice to thick first year ice. If you compare DMI’s ice thickness from this year against last years, there is a ton more thick ice in the Canadian Archipelago this year. And total volume is virtually identical with 2016 and 2012.

      • Jim Hunt says:

        Where might I find “this week’s image” Cam? Have you surreptitiously stolen the TARDIS?

        And where might I find the large white area in the Beaufort Sea on Tony’s map coloured in brown on the CIS’s?

        • gator69 says:


          • Colorado Wellington says:

            C’mon, gator, don’t be such a piker.

            A million here and there is just a rounding error. No wonder Hunt ignores you. He knows they’ll never even start on depopulation that way. Increase the deaths by at least an order of magnitude or two, keep the carnage steady for a few decades and you’ll have a credible global population policy that could satisfy Hunt and his progressive comrades.

            Think big, man, if you want to be taken seriously by them.

          • gator69 says:

            The largest estimate for the Great Leap Forward is 55 million. Genocide Jim et al are well past that, I would say at least 150 million.

            You must understand that “Progressive” is not about progress, it is about progressing toward a goal of communism, in this case 21,000 deaths per day. This is only one reason why I know that CAGW is not only the largest scam in history, it is pure evil.

            Sorry to be such a piker. ;)

        • Cam says:

          Oh FFS…I’m talking about the 6 Mar image you show here (from this week) and the 27 Feb issue shown on your site (from last week).

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Of FFS Cam!

            On my site it says “here’s last week’s” then if you scroll down it says “and here’s the latest version”.

            Try it. You might like it?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Nobody is going tom join you in your SEWER, Jimbo

            All that slimy snot dribbling everywhere as well

            You poor lonely coward, trying to shill for your CON/SCAM DISHONEST sewer of a web site, as always.

          • Cam says:

            When I referred to “this week’s image”, I was referring to the one you showed here (06 Mar). You’re the one who made the snarky Tardis comment. Of course you neglected to answer the question on why you hide the Eastern portion of the image. Nor do you make a comment regarding greater ice thickness in the Canadian Archipelago or comment regarding total Arctic ice volume being the same for this year compared to last and 2012.

          • Latitude says:

            On my site….

            coming from someone that posts all his garbage over here

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            On my site it says …

            Bwahahaha! On his site! Bwahahaha!

            That’s why the troll waits in the dark biting his fingernails, waits and waits for Tony’s next post to be the first to say something—anything!

            On the troll’s site! Bwahahaha!

          • AndyG55 says:

            Visited there once a few years ago.

            Still get the pukes whenever I think of the rampant propaganda LIES, OMISSIONS, MIS-INFORMATION and DECEIT .

            Every tiny piece of information was bent, twisted and tortured to fit the Exeter Uni/Met Orifice AGW scam.

            It really was a putrid experience.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “Where might I find “this week’s image” Cam?”

          Gees, yellow-back snivelling troll, you desperately need your Exeter boys holding your whatever, don’t you Jimbo.

          Cams first image is 10th March 2017

          4 days after your.. That makes it this week’s image

          You really are showing your MORONIC IDIOCY .. as always.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Andy – You really are showing your MORONIC IDIOCY .. as always.

            When was it that I pointed out that the CIS update their Western Arctic chart once a week?

          • AndyG55 says:

            “Where might I find “this week’s image” Cam?”

            Right in cam’s post, yellow backed scum troll.

          • toorightmate says:

            Where is Griff?
            He’s the Minister for Sea Ice.
            Griff subscribes to “Sea Ice is disappearing” – and at no stage did the hand leave the wrist.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Where are you slimy troll?

            What do the Canadian Ice Charts say about total multi-year sea ice I the Arctic?

            This is your chosen source.

            Come on….. Answer the question ,

            … and stop running away like the COWARDLY piece of human excrement that you are.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Jim Hunt,

      Several people repeatedly pointed out to you that you behave like a total idiot.

      Why do you persist?

      • RAH says:

        It is the way of alarmists. It’s just the nature of the beasts. Just like my 27 month old Granddaughter isn’t finishing her dinner right now because she wants a malted milk Easter egg.

        • Gator says:

          RAH, I would bet dollars to donuts that your granddaughter would gladly (OK, maybe not gladly) give her malted egg to a starving child, if you carefully explained to her why she should.

          Total opposite of GJ.

          • RAH says:

            Heck, it would be better to give them her left over chicken fingers and apple sauce. She did finish her mac& cheese though. The kid is at the low end of the average range of weight for age but that is because she is sprouting up like a crazy. Well above average height for age right now. She’s in the rocking easy chair watching ‘Frozen’ with Mama right now.

          • Gator says:

            Glad to hear you are reaping the rewards of a life well lived.

            All the best RAH.

          • RAH says:

            Back at you Gator.

    • Jl says:

      Now, if you could only tie the alleged ice loss/gain to AGW, you might have a point.

  2. CheshireRed says:

    Ok that graph is very short-term BUT it also shows that MYI is NOT impacted by atmospheric temperatures, so therefore must be affected by other drivers. (2008 was low, 2010 was very high, 2012 it was at a low point again and by 2017 it’s waaaay up there) Temps didn’t shift by corresponding amounts so it has to be a combination of other natural events like winds, currents and sea temps – however and by whatever they’re influenced. Hmm, maybe that’s not the answer rent-seeking bed-wetters are seeking. :-) Either way surely that’s another nail in the ‘CO2-is-‘melting’-the-Arctic’ theory right there.

    • Rud Istvan says:

      Multiyear ice low in summer 2012 was caused by an Arctic cyclone that blew a lot of it out the Framm Strait intomthe North Atlantic. It has been recovering since. Multiyear ice takes a few years to become multi.

  3. Stewart Pid says:

    Jim is verging on behaviour that would earn him idiot status. Jim, why point to an area that is known to melt out every summer and then crow that it has 1 year ice. What the F..K do you expect to find in that section of the arctic. This is the northwest passage and boats wouldn’t have been sailing through it for decades if it wasn’t prone to melting each and every summer. And NO … summer is not GLO-BULL warming!!

    • Sunsettommy says:

      This is why I keep saying he is DISHONEST!

      He also has yet to address Tony’s own source for the chart…..


      • AndyG55 says:

        Dishonesty, Abject Ignorance, Unsubstantiated Arrogance, Yellow-backed Cowardice.

        Those are Jimbo’s best qualities… the one’s he holds close

        The qualities that make him who he is..

    • Jim Hunt says:

      Stewart – Because Tony’s map shows a large area of allegedly “multi-year ice” in the Beaufort Sea, as I have pointed out ad nauseam recently.

      • gator69 says:

        … as I have pointed out ad nauseam recently.

        Yes Genocide Jim, you have nauseated us all with your inhuman agenda and your distortions. And not just recently I might add, you have been stinking up the place for a very long time now.

        So how many this year? 10,000,000? Inquiring minds want to know…

        • MrGrimnasty says:

          With the current multi-country famine situation, I wonder why the UN can’t start by using the $1billion Obama stole and gave to the UN affiliated climate fund, instead of demanding more cash. It’s only a matter of time before they blame climate for these latest wars and the famines anyway.

        • Griff says:

          This again?

          nobody ever starved as a result of climate science…

          • gator69 says:

            The food denier is back!

            Let’s rub Ms Griff’s nose in it again!


          • gator69 says:

            And because I am sure Ms Griff will not share the contents of the video, I will…

            These were the bad projects. As you might see the bottom of the list was climate change. This offends a lot of people, and that’s probably one of the things where people will say I shouldn’t come back, either. And I’d like to talk about that, because that’s really curious. Why is it it came up? And I’ll actually also try to get back to this because it’s probably one of the things that we’ll disagree with on the list that you wrote down.

            The reason why they came up with saying that Kyoto — or doing something more than Kyoto — is a bad deal is simply because it’s very inefficient. It’s not saying that global warming is not happening. It’s not saying that it’s not a big problem. But it’s saying that what we can do about it is very little, at a very high cost. What they basically show us, the average of all macroeconomic models, is that Kyoto, if everyone agreed, would cost about 150 billion dollars a year. That’s a substantial amount of money. That’s two to three times the global development aid that we give the Third World every year. Yet it would do very little good. All models show it will postpone warming for about six years in 2100. So the guy in Bangladesh who gets a flood in 2100 can wait until 2106. Which is a little good, but not very much good. So the idea here really is to say, well, we’ve spent a lot of money doing a little good.

            And just to give you a sense of reference, the U.N. actually estimate that for half that amount, for about 75 billion dollars a year, we could solve all major basic problems in the world. We could give clean drinking water, sanitation, basic healthcare and education to every single human being on the planet. So we have to ask ourselves, do we want to spend twice the amount on doing very little good? Or half the amount on doing an amazing amount of good? And that is really why it becomes a bad project. It’s not to say that if we had all the money in the world, we wouldn’t want to do it. But it’s to say, when we don’t, it’s just simply not our first priority.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Ms Griff, did you stuff your belly full before coming here to deny climate science famines?

          • Gail Combs says:

            Giffy is again denying the poor allocation of resources TO WEALTHY ClimAstrologists and AWAY from the starving.

          • AndyG55 says:

            You truly are nearly as slimy , despicable and evil as Jimbo

            Millions of people have suffered and countries been held back from development, because of the climate change agenda.

            To deny that puts you up there with Holocaust Deniers.

            You are one ugly , ugly anti-human piece of slime, griff.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Differences in interpretation of ice types between “providers”

        SO WHAT !!!

        Both OAS and Russian ice charts show 2017 is largest multi-year sea ice since 2008

        Question which I BET you will no answer…

        What do the Canadian ice charts say about total Arctic multi-year ice, Jimbo?

        Waiting for an answer… do you DARE !!!

        • Gail Combs says:

          The Canadian ice charts don’t seem to do the total Arctic.

          • AndyG55 says:

            So how the heck would they know if the sea ice was blown across from elsewhere.?

            OOPS.. Jimbo step in his own poo, then sucks his toes yet again. !!

          • Griff says:

            That’s because they are for Canadian waters… duh!

          • Gail Combs says:

            Thank you Griff.

            And if they are for Canadian waters they are NOT for the entire Arctic.

            Heck the site even says the measurements are made by walking out onto the sea ice from SHORE.

          • AndyG55 says:

            The topic is ARCTIC multi-year sea ice,

            … not Canadian shoreline multi-year sea ice.

  4. Joe says:

    Warmists respond with: volume is lowest on record – Also they say, “the ice left over at the end of the melt season in September each year, IS the multi-year ice for the following winter.”

    • David A says:

      It is very likely that volume has greater error bars.

    • Gail Combs says:

      ‘Volume’ is a useful measurement for the ClimAstrologists when winds stack ice

      From Popular Science:
      “Recipe for ice stacking: Take cold weather, a large lake [or other body of water] and mix thoroughly using a brisk wind. You should see piles of jagged ice panes appear on the edges… When the wind blew in at speeds of 12-15 miles per hour, the sheets of ice were flung towards shore… “

      VIDEO of Ice Stacking

  5. AndyG55 says:

    Just doing some pixel counts on the Russian charts.

    Its taking a bit of time with this old clunker of mine, but I’ve done the ones that look like they might be maximums

    For each year I have chosen the date closest to 10th March I could find

    2008 … 80253 (earliest the charts go back to)
    2009 … 92442
    2010 … 109417
    2011 … to do
    2012 … to do
    2013 … to do
    2014 … 110829
    2015 … to do
    2016 … to do
    2017 … 110886

    2017 has the greatest pixel count.. :-)

    I suspect when I finish and graph them , the graph will be very similar to Tony’s.

    • Jim Hunt says:

      Andy – How much “multi-year ice” does the 2017 Russian chart show in the Beaufort Sea?

      • toorightmate says:

        We are not allowed to talk to the Russians.
        CNN said so.

      • gator69 says:

        Why do you care Genocide Jim? Why do you put soooo much effort into starving poor brown people?

      • AndyG55 says:

        Russia ice charts show 2017 has the LARGEST area of multi-year ice in the Arctic ocean region in the last ten years.

        What the slight discrepancies do illustrate is just how wide the error margins are and just how MEANINGLESS small changes in sea ice are.

        Wouldn’t you agree, Jimbo… or do you need to get the Exeter boys to poke you the answer ??

        • AndyG55 says:

          Jimbo.. Did I hear you say that Canada data doesn’t do Arctic Multi-year sea ice??

          Waiting to hear you TELL THE TRUTH..

          Jimbo, cowardly yellow-back troll would not DARE tell the truth !!.

  6. John F. Hultquist says:

    Just in case anyone cares, about 10 years ago — It’s the wind boss. It’s the wind.

  7. RAH says:

    looks like “climate change” is being kicked out of the Arctic for the present. It’s cold up there! It’s being kicked out of the East coast of the US also with winter making it clear it’s not dead yet in a very obvious way. So where will “climate change” move to now? Best guess the great barrier reef where noises about coral bleaching are getting louder again.

    • Gail Combs says:

      It is snowing in mid North Carolina. Looks like we have an inch sitting on the top of my truck.

      • RAH says:

        No snow here yet. To come in Monday with rain changing to snow and then snow Tuesday. Though we may get 3″ or so of accumulation, we’re not supposed to get anything like they’re going to see from DC northward along the east coast. Mostly clear skies, sunny, and 33 deg. here right now.

        One nice thing is that the state should have plenty of deicer left so no reason to hold back on the slurry and salting.

  8. Griff says:

    all MYI ice isn’t the same…

    Most of what’s there has only survived a single season and is NOT the 4 and 5m thick MYI there used to be.

    • gator69 says:

      Most of these kids did not survive last season and they don’t give a shit about the 4 and 5m thick MYI there used to be.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Griffy rather see ice survive instead of children.

      Most of those poor kids only survived a year or two. That is why the stats use infant mortality (under one year) and child mortality rates (under five years.)

      FROM WHO

      Children: reducing mortality

      Fact sheet
      Updated September 2016
      Key facts

      5.9 million children under the age of 5 years died in 2015.

      More than half of these early child deaths are due to conditions that could be prevented or treated with access to simple, affordable interventions.

      Leading causes of death in children under 5 years are preterm birth complications, pneumonia, birth asphyxia, diarrhoea and malaria. About 45% of all child deaths are linked to malnutrition.

      Children in sub-Saharan Africa are more than 14 times more likely to die before the age of 5 than children in developed regions

      • RAH says:

        There is Malaria again. Even for children under 5 y/o. No excuse! The fact is it is the deadliest disease in the world as it has been during the entire history of mankind and has been completely preventable for many decades. And yet it still kills more people than any other single cause every year. And Griff still doesn’t get it! Perhaps if she had seen mothers bringing their mud caked babies to me for treatment and dealt with 40 year old men on their death bed from black water fever in Liberia she might have a better understanding.

    • Latitude says:

      Griff….MYI can be any thickness

    • AndyG55 says:

      “NOT the 4 and 5m thick MYI there used to be.”

      You mean when the sea ice was at extreme high levels in the late 1970’s , up there with the extremes of the LIA , the coldest period in the last 10,000 years?

      Levels are still WAY higher than most of the first 80-85% of the current interglacial.. ..

      or are you going to keep DENYING that the climate has changed and has got MUCH COLDER since then ?

  9. Alf says:

    Jim Hunt runs a clean blog. I respect him even if I do not think the current small warming is a danger to human existence. If you are on the “winning side” why all the gutter talk?

    • gator69 says:

      If you are on the “winning side” why all the gutter talk?

      As in “living in the gutter” talk? Are these folks on the “winning side’?

    • RAH says:

      The “winning side” will be nature. Fact is that human history makes it clear that we humans would be better off if in fact that world was warmer than it is now as long as such a change wasn’t used as a cockamamie justification for domination over the masses.

      You can respect Jim and that’s fine. But he hasn’t been straight up here.

    • AndyG55 says:

      You are nothing but gullible fool if you think Jimbo’s blog is clean.

      It is lies and deceit from omission of the facts, from start to finish.

      A slimy con-man’s little propaganda sewer.

    • AndyG55 says:

      You say you respect him, and his blog is clean…….

      That says as much as is needed about who or what you are.!

    • Gail Combs says:

      “Jim Hunt runs a clean blog.”

      Translated: Jimmy Boy CENSORS.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Jim Hunt runs a clean blog. I respect him …

      That’s your good right, Alf, and if you look through history you’ll find you are not alone.

      I’ve heard these arguments about clean idealists for more than half a century while the corpses kept piling up. I choose to stand on the other side. There are many enthusiastic clean-cut idealists in this clip and if you look closely, for two brief moments you can see me, or at least a skeptical old man like me who understood what was coming.

      Like that old man, I pray that the future doesn’t belong to Jim Hunt and his sort. There is enough evil in the past and the present to fill a man with sorrow that will never go away.

    • Sunsettommy says:


      I have no opinion about his blog,don’t care what he says there either.

      What he does constantly HERE,is ignore the replies many give him showing why he is dishonest and misleading. Why he is wrong and use sources to point it out.He ignores it almost all the time.


      Tony’s post is about the ENTIRE Arctic seeing an increase in multi-year ice from 3/9/2008 to 3/9/2017. A ten year period,while Jimmy use a SINGLE day of this year. He is not even close to what Tony is talking about.

      This is patently dishonest!

      His reply right there in the first comment was about a region of the Arctic,using a SINGLE day’s data,then says Tony is wrong,which he keeps saying a few times. That is what angers many when he is that dishonest.

      Several times he been told he is cherry picking,that he ignores Tony’s data and doesn’t answer questions posed by a few others. He does this in blog post after blog post. He is stridently dishonest and doesn’t try to make an honest debate in the meantime.

      So why don’t YOU understand why he is getting the snotty replies,when he openly disregards a minimal level of debate here?

    • Jim Hunt says:

      You are very kind Alf.

      In answer to your question, because the actual facts make it clear that “Steve” et al. are spouting cherry picked balderdash. When cherry picking fails all that’s left is the good ol’ ad hom!

      • Sunsettommy says:

        You have been exposed already. Jimmy.

        Right here they showed that the area in question is very similar to your cherry picked small region. Gail then showed almost the entire area YOU picked is near zero departure from normal at this time of year.


        “There is no difference!

        Jimmy Boy is serving up dis-info since BOTH DMI and the Canadian charts show first year ice in that southwestern corner of the Arctic and have for several years.

        See my comment HERE”

      • Sunsettommy says:


        Now that you have been exposed as a misleading dishonest prate,why don’t you kindly go away.

        It is clear your credibility has reached zero for me,as you have been caught over and over,with your dishonest claims that are being deliberately promoted.

      • AndyG55 says:

        “You are very kind Alf.”

        No, Alf is a fool if he thinks you have one jot of integrity.

        You are a known LIAR and FRAUDSTER and TOTAL COWARD, omitting and ignoring any data that doesn’t further the SCAM/CON pushed by your Exeter Uni boyfriends.

      • AndyG55 says:

        It is noted that you are STILL being a total COWARD and refusing to answer the question..

        What does the Canadian sea ice data say about the actual topic, ARCTIC multi-year sea ice?

        Come on, Jimbo, or be forever marked as a yellow-backed troll.

  10. Alf says:

    There are a lot of claims made about Jim Hunt which In cannot substantiate. Some insults leveled at him are bordering on libel. One phone call from a lawyer might force this blog to be shut down.

    • gator69 says:

      Now there’s a proper leftist through and through, defend ther indefensible by making threats. Nicley done Ms Alf.


      Now care to tell us exactly which statements border on anything remotely actionable? Are you melting sweetie?

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Ms Alf,

      Can you substantiate the following claim of mine?

      “Jim Hunt,

      Several people repeatedly pointed out to you that you behave like a total idiot.”

      And while you are at substantiating, can you share any insights into why he persists in behaving like a total idiot?

    • R. Shearer says:


    • AndyG55 says:

      Cry-baby Alf.

      You don’t like it here.

      You know where you can go. !!

      You come here by choice, bringing your AGW scam, lies and propaganda with you.

      Take what is given back… or POQ !!!

  11. Alf says:

    “Why do you care Genocide Jim?” -Gator; you have such a way with words. I am not sure whether you are just entertaining yourself or if you are simply a bully looking for a victim. alf

    • Gator says:

      Alf, you must be new here. Jim has earned his monicker. He cares more about ice than humans. How about you?

      • Gail Combs says:

        Well gator, looks like Jimmy Boy has called in reinforcements.

        I guess the truth is getting to him.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Oh and while we are at it Mr Lawyer had better go look up:

        Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U.S. 323
        Milkovich v. Lorain Journal Co., 474 U.S. 953
        Hustler Magazine v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46
        New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254
        47 U.S.C. § 230 (1996)
        47 U.S.C. § 230(c)(1)
        124 Stat. 2480–2484

    • AndyG55 says:

      Jimbo is anything but a victim…
      He is a low-level con-man, trying to find victims he can prey on with his base-level propaganda lies and mis-information..

      He will not find any victims here… except perhaps you, Alf

  12. Alf says:

    Gator, there was a time I believed in CGW. I would read CGW blogs and soon began to realize that any counter opinions were rudely countered or actually banned. This made me look further and I soon began to realize that there were other opinions; everywhere from CO2 not being a greenhouse gas to those who thought that despite being a greenhouse gas CO2 would be more beneficial then harmful. I am not worried about Arctic ice but do take an interest in that discussion. One of the mistakes made by the CGW advocates is that they see weather in a linear and one dimensional way.

    Gail what is your problem?

    • gator69 says:

      Interest is fine, but fraudulently hollering about ice and diverting assets away from the starving is pure evil.

      What is your problem Alf?

      • AndyG55 says:

        This THIS sort of absolute WASTE

        Imagine if clean water, irrigation, decent sewerage systems etc could have been built.

        What a waste .. This green agenda really is the pits of anti-human ignorance.

        • Gail Combs says:

          It doesn’t even have to take a lot of money to help the people of Africa and other third world countries. The method has been known since the 1970s.

          You want to help people?
          1. FIRST QUIT OVERTHROWING THEIR GOVERNMENTS! The Clintons, Obama and the Bushs are right up there with the rest of the mass murderers as far as I am concerned.

          2. You want to use wind power? Teach people to build and maintain windmills out of locally available materials where they can be used to grind grain and pump water.

          3. ‘Sustainable Agriculture’ E.M. Smith covers a very doable method of turning semi-desert back into productive land. The idea was first presented by a guy in India in the 1970s. link
          EXCERPT: “First pen the goats. Goat Poo is collected and, instead of burning it, fermented in an anaerobic digester (made of local materials – bricks in a hole in the ground, IIRC) Burn the gas, uses compost on the garden. In that open desert area, a special tree was planted. Leucaena leucocephala. A “bean tree” from Mexico. This plant, is rather “special” in several ways. First off, it grows incredibly fast. Second, is a nitrogen fixer. Third, it’s from a warm place where it can grow in areas with a lot of water, or not all that much. Finally, the pods and leaves are (marginally) edible by humans and goats can eat the leaves. And Leucaena “coppice” well…. Cut it and the stump sprouts again.

          4. This turns a semi-starving family into producers when “A desert eroding to barren rocky dry wasteland reverts to lush forest and grasslands.” They can now sell wood and wood products from the bean tree. The village develops a surplus of vegetables, meat, and milk from the more fertile shaded land. The women now have the time and energy to produce and sell “Cheeses, soaps, and fresh produce. Even jerky and fresh meat. A cycle of prosperity where before had been only desperation.”

          The other big up side is as poverty becomes prosperity, the infant death rate goes down and PEOPLE STOP HAVING LARGE FAMILIES!

          India now has a total fertility rate of 2.45. link compared to double that for more ‘backward’ nations.

    • Gail Combs says:

      “Gail what is your problem?”

      My problem is with people who deliberately lie in support of an agenda KNOWN to bring misery and death to the people whose government embrace it. SEE DEMOCIDE: Death By Government

      The cat is out of the bag that CAGW was never about science, it was about grabbing POWER over the people of the world.

      “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution… democracy is a poor political system for fighting global warming. Communist China is the best model. — Christiana Figueres, disciple of Al Gore, and Executive Secretary of the UN Framework Convention

      CAGW was NEVER about the climate it was always about turning people into serfs of an all powerful unelected unaccountable bureaucracy similar to the EU.
      SEE Pascal Lamy, especially: Global Governance: Lessons from Europe and Brexit The Movie

      It was the 1972 Stockholm Conference on Environmental Crisis which lead Today’s environmental movement. Meeting notes from the pre-conference preparatory committee co-sponsored by the Institute for Theological Encounter with Science and Technology and the Institute of Environmental Studies reveals this:

      “So, we are proposing to the Conference, or to the governments, the establishing of a global monitoring system, which is called Earth Watch…”

      “So we see in the environmental issue, an issue that transcends boundaries and transcends politics…”

      “…we do not foresee a sovereign state yielding its sovereignty to an international police force at this time. This may come about eventually…”

      “What kind of vehicle will get the world community along the road that we’ll have to travel?”

      “This very pedestrian nature of the Stockholm Conference may be an advantage for another reason: in a revolution you have to have an idea and an ideal.”

      “There is another problem here that we ought to face before we get too romantic about world government…It is an interesting exercise to wonder how long it will be before Principle 18…reads that resources are the common heritage of all mankind. A generation? Ten generations?”

      “There is a limit to sovereignty in that the world’s resources are the common property of all mankind. Nations will have to share everything, as in questions of private property. Private property is a defense of an individual’s possibility to maintain his quality of life, but it is not an absolute right…”

      “Sometime something is going to happen that is truly irretrievable, but we have not yet come to this. What is most likely to become irreversible? Should this be the topic of the Stockholm Conference? Not really because Stockholm is looking to world-wide situations and there is no particular environmental (pollution, at least) issue that needs an immediate global response.”

      ”Furthermore, if global problems are to be sold, nations have to come to international agreements and ultimately to some form of supranational authority and power.”

      “We consider the Stockholm Declaration as the first enunciation of a Global Environmental Constitution…”

      “Earth Watch as a global effort at environmental cooperation, should obviously be directed to a global problem. The problem priority for Earth Watch should involve that global problem which may most easily become irreversible. WE SUGGEST THAT SEAS AND OCEANS…REPRESENT A PRIME GLOBAL CONCERN.”

      And back to Pascal Lamy where he makes it clear a World Government has been the goal since the 1930s and CAGW is seen as a lever to reach that goal. link

      I am NOT willing to accept the Globalists Slave Collar on the basis of a trumped up mythical problem and I will call out anyone who tries to place that Slave Collar on me or anyone else!

      Jim Hunt and Griff and the ClimAstrologists are agents of those slavers so deserve nothing but the contempt any slaver deserves.

      The Progressives Utopia: A Post Sustainable Future

      • Rick says:

        “The cat is out of the bag that CAGW was never about science”

        Your brain must be SPOTLESS!

        It has been thoroughly washed….repeatedly….lol

        • gator69 says:

          Ms Rick, I thought you wanted to discuss science. I have tried repeatedly to engage you in the very basics of climatology, and all you ever do is throw insults and tantrums.

          Shall we try again?

          1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

          2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

          There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Good to see widdle wicky copying the brain-washed clean idea..

          The poor ADHD driven twerp is NOTHING but a Norwegian Blue.

          Glad to see he also now realises that AGW is a SCAM/RELIGION, with zero real science to back its most basic frauds.

        • sunsettommy says:


          your empty reply to a retired Chemist, means you have no counterpoint to offer.

          What is AGW hypothesis, Rick,can you answer this simple question?

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