Sunspot Numbers – Maunder Minimum – Wikipedia
Prior to the widespread adoption of the superstition that a 0.0001 mole fraction increase in CO2 over the past century controls the climate, scientists took a more rational approach.
Completely blank sun. April 28, 2018
The first director of NCAR – Walter Orr Roberts – was a brilliant solar physicist. He understood that the sun controlled earth’s weather.
In 1973, Roberts predicted a drought based on sunspot cycles.
27 Sep 1973, Page 38 – El Paso Herald-Post at Newspapers.com
The drought occurred, exactly as he predicted.
climate-assessment-1981-1990.pdf
In 1951, Roberts discovered a critical relationship between solar activity and weather.
22 Sep 1951 – SUN’S EFFECT ON THE EARTH
In 1967, National Geographic understood that the sun controls glaciers.
National Geographic : 1967 Feb, Page 194
In 1931, meteorologists were certain about the relationship between sunspots and the weather.
TimesMachine: July 2, 1931 – NYTimes.com
In 1936, the Australian Medical Congress was certain about the relationship between sunspots and natural disasters.
28 Jan 1936 – SUNSPOTS – Trove
In 1932, scientists showed a close correspondence between sunspot cycles and past climate.
12 Dec 1932, 12 – The Atlanta Constitution at Newspapers.com
In 1994, astronomers showed a correlation between the length of sunspot cycles and Earth’s temperature.
08 Apr 1994 – Sunspots linked to global warming – Trove
The relationship between sunspots and grain prices has long been known.
10 Aug 1886 – Sunspots and Grain Prices. – Trove
This idea was first proposed by British astronomer William Herschel in 1801, and confirmed 200 years later.
Sun set food prices in the Middle Ages : Nature News
Scientists now claim that a 0.0001 mole fraction increase in CO2 over the past century controls the climate. This is because the Sun can’t be controlled, scientists can’t pretend they know how to prevent bad weather, and politicians can’t use sunspots as an excuse to raise taxes and control energy policy.
The 1:10,000 increase in atmospheric CO2 over the past century is equivalent to packing an extra two people into Madison Square Garden
Great monuments like pyramids and cathedrals can only be built in the land of milk and honey when daily survival is not the problem and you can plan 100 years or longer in advance.
And in those days people even didn’t understand how BIG this little star is in comparison with Earth.
And what do we really understand of the universe?
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/events-5/electric-universe-2012-conference-the-human-story/themes-eu-2012/theme-c/
99.99 % is plasma.
That is the worst nonsense I have seen in a long time. Go get a degree in geology and learn some real science.
2018 will be Höt … According to these Models…
According to this Model, 2018 will be the Höttest Ever!!..
Its Scyience silly…
Be careful, could be a CIA operative! Or Russian. Most men are easy victims and can then be controlled.
Laughable stuff from a (well meaning but misguided) ex neighbour of mine
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/26/were-doomed-mayer-hillman-on-the-climate-reality-no-one-else-will-dare-mention
As the saying goes, science advances one funeral at a time. Looks like we are due for an advance shortly…
yes the sun is a major influence on climate climate… except it isn’t now the only climate driver. Human CO2 now has an additional overriding effect…
Let me refer you to your favourite website to point out a new Maunder would barely dent the current warming
https://www.skepticalscience.com/grand-solar-minimum-mini-ice-age-intermediate.htm
“Human CO2 now has an additional overriding effect…”
ARRANT BULLS**T
There is ZERO empirical evidence that enhanced atmospheric CO2 does anything except enhance plant growth.
CO2 warming is a load of ANTI-PHYSICS GIGO !!
/CO2 now has an additional overriding effect/ – so Griff has been “told”
/would barely dent/ – the Future – models can’t even reproduce the past, without modification of the data and now we are “told” they are ALL running too hot.
As far as the skepticalscience website goes – it all hangs on the 97% Cook consensus – as that is bogus, (measuring repression and Political Correctness under the Obama Administration) – so, until they correct that, a website like skepticalscience is just basically a Globalist propaganda outlet. You can’t publish one deceptive article and then believe your other articles will be taken at face value. Once you have discovered a lie, one would be wise to be skeptical about everything else on the website.
John Cook is not one I would go to for back-up if you want to sway people here.
Skeptical Science, eh? What other astrology websites do you read, Ms Griff?
Now I know Griff is purposefully choosing ignorance.
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The weak minded seek out confirmation of their thoughts, unlike the rest of us who challenge our own ideas, ensuring we do not follow errant ideals.
Ms Griff truly hates poor brown people, and propaganda sites like SkS enable this hatred under the guise of caring for the planet. SkS will always be her go to site as long as they support her agenda, no matter how many times their postings are shown to be completely false.
Shouldn’t we err on the side of caution? We could call it “The precautionary principle.” Civilization has done well during warm periods, poorly during cooling, you know, bubonic plague, starvation, fall of empires, and so forth. So why take a chance? Let’s turn the amp up to 11 and try to fit 3 extra people into the Garden.
What would the precautionary principle say/recommend about fascistic, totalitarian warming Nazis?
Griff
**Let me refer you to your favourite website to point out a new Maunder would barely dent the current warming**
When you have some real science, Griff, let us know. However, if that location humors you, it is OK with us, but do not bother quoting nonsense from there.
Remember, we cannot post real science there, so you got what you got, so enjoy the funnies while you can.
Griff,
They assume a climate sensitivity that cannot be documented by real world observation. Moreover, Monckton has severely critiqued model sensitivities. If the real response to doubling CO 2 proves to be only 1.5-1.8C and not 3C, then a
.3C reduction in temps due to Maunder Minimum becomes relatively much more significant.
‘Human CO2 now has an additional overriding effect…’
The Sun calls time on topless models after 44 years
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jan/19/has-the-sun-axed-page-3-topless-pictures
There should be a Stephen Maturin award for “fighting naturalists” and you should win the prize Sir Tony. You have proven yourself to be “prickly and difficult to eradicate.” The prize, a life-size solid plastic statue of Richard Feynman (an ideal Carbon sink so we don’t have to jam those two extra people into MSG. Tippng point don’cha know), a G5 airplane and lots of money.
Well-who would have thought that the only energy provider of a system
that does not exist without energy
is the dominant force of this system :)
Well – not those people who thought 3 decades ago that an irrellevant molecule
called cfc that was released in irrellevant numbers and mostly in the usa and europe would instantly start to travel(by the use of marvellous superpowers)) to the poles((most of it to the southpole,as the hole is bigger there, tens of thousands miles aways)) to destroy the ozon layer there(and not at above those regions the gas is released.
The gas is no more-the holes are still there.
Now imagine a world that is covered with climate gas h2o.
An increase in sun energy would increase the release of climate gas h2o by millions more tons a year-an incredible runaway effect ((that never happened,because things don’t work that way)).
But how could an irrellevant and weak climate gas co2 become the prominant
villain superstar then??
By the way they talk about it.
The trick is simple.
They ignore the elephant in the room
while they blame the mosquito on the wall for the big pile of poo in the middle of the room.
That’s how the star responsible for 99%+ of our energy and therefore our climate
was treated like a mosquito
and a 0.01% man made co2 became a giant mammoth.
When one reads the ipcc papers one will find out that only a handfull out of thousands pages(maybe 0.01%) is about the sun
the rest is about/or somehow related to co2.
Pure willingfull Ignorance on one side
and perpetual PR and cry wolf on the other side.
Result-
the coming drought that will be result of the lack of sunspots
will be blamed on co2.
That’s because the IPCC can only investigate man made warming. They are not allowed to look for natural warming.
IPCC Term of Reference
“The ultimate objective of the UNFCCC is to “stabilize greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere at a level that would prevent dangerous anthropogenic [i.e., human-induced] interference with the climate system”.[5]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change
Using the Maunder Minimum
means minimal temperature data
are available to back up any claims,
although there is lots of anecdotal reports
of unusually cold weather during that minimum.
But ignoring the three other Little Ice Age
minimums would be cherry picking.
The three OTHER minimums
during the Little Ice Age
did not have much anecdotal
evidence of unusual cold.
And there was some unusual cold LIA
weather between the four minimums
not linked to sunspot counts.
The four minimums during
the Little Ice Age add up to
weak evidence that the sun
controls the climate.
The lack of any 11 year temperature cycle
related to sunspots is further
evidence the sun is not the
“climate controller”.
It’s easy to believe the sun controls
the average temperature but the
evidence so far is weak.
Of course the evidence that CO2
controls the average temperature
is weak too.
I believe the right answer
is “we don’t know what controls
the climate” (other than the very
long term climate changes
from planetary geometry)
Spot the six contradictions in this post!
Ignorance is a wonderful state to be in Ms Griff.
You do not carry the cares of the world on your shoulders; you do not have to think or become educated-just parrot the mantras, and hey presto, you know everything about the world.
You are now an “expert”-so easy!
Has anyone ever calculated the density of some human brains?
It is rumored that Mayer Hillman and Griff have never been seen at the same time.
Another rumor is that with all the extra CO2 in the air, this year, or maybe next, is the ‘Year of the Ripe Tomato.”
What a blessing that CO2 stuff is!
Hottest april ever in warschau and ive seen bulgaria too. Some east europe city’s breaking all time hottest records, all because of CO2 haha. But they seem to miss the very cold north america, spain and north africa…
They will use ‘warmest ever’ when they mean the last 40 years when we know there was a next ice age scare at the end of the seventies.
Meanwhile, the weather continues apace down here in the sunny south. However, they are forecasting the return of climate any day now. They said climate was supposed to have arrived today, no doubt behind a climate front coming up from the gulf. So far, and it is 3:00 in the afternoon here, weather is holding on stubbornly. They haven’t revised their forecast, despite climate’s lateness in getting here.
Of course they say a lot of things. I am of the firm belief they are actually a room full of monkeys playing on typewriters somewhere in the bowels of the CNN headquarters. There are probably several sets of theys in similar locations throughout the US and the world. While they have as yet produced not one bit of Shakespeare, they have produced a great deal of useless but nonetheless used drivel. Much of which has no doubt found its way into Amy Schumer’s comedy. Whatever CNN, MSNBC, or other rejects as not news worthy.