Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies.
Jeremiah 23:32
Arctic sea ice has been melting very slowly, and volume is third highest for the date since 2003.
Ice volume loss has been the smallest on record.
During many years, volume reaches its minimum in August and is growing by the end of the month.
Things are not looking good for Democratic Party prophets.
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Darn it
You beat me too it ;-)
Cheers
Now for alarmists to argue extent is more accurate picture than volume.
I bet the texture of the ice is all wrong..
The texture of 6-ft. thick ‘rotten’ ice is site to behold.
Democrats got beat again yesterday… They desperately need some *new prophets*
The extent though…
5th lowest, behind 2012,2007,2016, 2017…
and still melting.
Ice now clear of N Greenland coast… that’s not usual.
https://seaice.uni-bremen.de/data/amsr2/today/Arctic_AMSR2_visual.png
what’s that white stuff at the north pole?
Ice melts during interglacials Ms Griff, always has and always will, it is a perfectly natural process that has happened many times before.
Why do you hate poor brown people, and lie so much?
So why isn’t it ahead of 2012, 2007, 2016, 2017? And why isn’t the Arctic ice free as so many catastrophists keep saying it should be? And why are you still here when it isn’t September.
Griff,
There is always a lot of variety in the weather at the Pole. The current behavior of the sea-ice is not all that rare, (happened last winter), although the sea-ice usually is flushed down into the Atlantic through Fram Strait. It typically rides a cold current down the east coast of Greenland to Cape Farewell at the southern tip, where it melts. However a reverse flow can slow or even halt this flushing, and keep the ice up at the Pole. That has recently occurred, and is what has pushed the ice north of Greenland’s north coast. No melting is involved. In fact, less ice is melted, when it is not flushed south. This is part of the reason the volume is higher this year.
This southerly flow is also the reason the temperatures have risen to above-normal for the first time all summer, at the Pole. That should give you something to be excited about, if you insist upon the myopic view of seeing everything under the sun as having a single cause.
Across the pole the southerly flow continues in a straight line as a northerly flow, and is slowing the progress of the three crazy dudes attempting to cross the Pole in a catamaran-iceboat thingy. If they fail, I’ll leave it to you, Griff, to blame Global Warming.
https://sunriseswansong.wordpress.com/2018/08/07/arctic-sea-ice-77-north/
Caleb, as someone like you that actually intelligently researches matters and thinks for yourself, why bother yourself with mental midgets that are incapable of doing either?
My thoughts exactly.
But the extent: the extent is the 5th lowest, in a very average season as far as weather conducive to melt is concerned…
And the ice thickness is low, plus the volume is not, as the DMI figures would have you believe, anything to write home about
http://psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/schweiger/ice_volume/BPIOMASIceVolumeAnomalyCurrentV2.1_CY.png
NO griff, it is NOT the 5th lowest. You are WRONG as always.
There would be AT LEAST 9000 years of the last 10,000 when it would be lower by a very considerable amount.
You are LYING yet again. just as you LIED about not coming back until September
You LIE even to yourself. It is part of your very slimy, deceitful persona.
When the extent goes down and the area stays the same, it just means that the ice floes are converging together. In winter and spring, it also means they are compressing together, overlapping, and forming compression ridges and keels – all of which is good because it results in thicker stronger ice.
Extent – voids = Area. Compressing means reduction or elimination of voids.
Some Aug 7 stats for DMI Sea Ice Volume
#3 2018 is now at 117.71% of the 16-year average, and 119.44% of the 10-year, DMI-charted 2004-2013 average. Both are up from yesterday.
The 1-sigma line for both the 16 year and 10-year series moved up, as the sea ice volume values continue to progressively increase spacing. Some years’ values will soon turn around to growth (for example, 2004) and others’ declines have not slowed down (e.g., 2003)
The day’s value was 1 cu km below the 16-year 1-sigma line (very upper end of the 1st std deviation) and (around 125) cu km above 1-sigma for the 10-year average, in the 2nd std deviation.
2018 Gaps: with #2 2012, 392 cu km; with #1 2004, 624 cu km.
205 and 2005, until today above 2018, are declining rapidly, and will continue to do so for the short term.
Stay tuned!
Weather today shows continued ridge over the Russian side of the basin bringing cold, cloudy conditions in the western seas of the basin.
Starting next week, though, we are looking a pattern change coming with the ridge breaking down, and stormy weather returning. The exact strength, and path of the coming storms will determine how the ice fairs in the western seas. Concentration levels are quite variable, and storms can bring strong up-welling, and milder, offshore winds. Models are still trying to work this out for next week, but stormy weather will return.
Tony
OT but thought you would like to see this if you haven’t already.
From an associate apprentice of your mentor Dr. Gray. https://twitter.com/philklotzbach
Philip Klotzbach
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This July’s Atlantic Meridional Mode (AMM) index value was the 2nd lowest July value on record (since 1948), trailing only 1972. A negative AMM tends to be associated with colder tropical N Atlantic SSTs, higher sea level pressures and less active Atlantic #hurricane seasons.”
Plenty of Arctic ice this year. Way, way too much ice for the CO2 to melt. 400 ppm won’t do it. We need far lower maximums (measured in the millions of square km…) to get ice-free in the summer; or even to have the NW passage open.
This year there’s just too much ice.
You have to ask yourself, “why is there so much ice?” We’ve just had a healthy-sized El Nino; there’s a dangerous amount of CO2 in the atmosphere according to bed-wetting, weepy, whiny alarmists, I mean, give me a sign… And please, not some pathetic little heat wave somewhere. For the truly ignorant, may I remind you heatwaves are just weather – they happen all the time. I left my exercise class last night around 8:30 PM and my SUV (it’s a big one too!) thermometer was at 107 F.
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/08/07/omg-rough-language-but-a-very-good-point/
Guy makes a point I have brought up over and over: If it’s so bad, why are banks loaning developers money to build in Florida?
This whole man-made cooling / heating / changing is pure fraud.
Yes, there is too much damned ice everywhere.
I don’t know if CO2 will help but we must apply the precautionary principle. Atmospheric CO2 is at dangerously low levels. We need a global agreement to raise it to a safer ratio. Only genocidal fascists and other progressive idiots could disagree.
1500 ppmv is not a bad target. And we should honor people using their own money to get us there.
All kidding aside, raising the global CO2 level, by any means, is a good idea for the living stuff that actually lives here.
http://www.co2coalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Carbon-Dioxide-Benefits-the-World-2.pdf
gregole: Don’t take it to the bank!
“Guy makes a point I have brought up over and over: If it’s so bad, why are banks loaning developers money to build in Florida? ”
…because banks make money on the upside: fees for creating the loans, more fees for bundling them into instruments, and principle & commissions for selling everything off. By the time the downturn hits, someone else is left holding the bag. This was the MO for the real estate scam, I mean market, that collapsed in 2007-2008, when similar arguments were given, at that time, also to suggest that housing was a safe investment.
Read Tony: his reasons for keeping cool are much sounder.
No, I hear you…I just like existence proofs and checking out low-lying land areas close to the sea, Miami is one, and for instance sea-ports around the world; one is dealing with some of the most highly valued real-estate in the world. Whatever is going on with sea-level, an awful lot of money is being bet that people will find a way to make them viable. I mean, check out Hong Kong harbor. Amazing place (from pictures I’ve seen).
This entire discussion of M@nn-Made climate change seems to exist in several distinct but parallel universes. In the blogosphere, we chat and argue about it; in the government sphere astoundingly poor economic public policies are pursued, sometimes thwarted, sometimes not. In the property development and finance sphere, it’s as if nothing at all is happening.
I agree with you in principle, but I just don’t think finance and real-estate are trustworthy indicators. I guess you’re making the point that they have SOME meaning, and I can’t disregard that completely. Ultimately, though, realty and finance are both about who’s the last one out the door, and it’s hard for me to tell how the crowd is positioned.
Seaside homes on California cliffs go sliding into the Pacific all the time: no problem, the insurance company pays. In a more modest setting, I have a neighbor whose house on a hill slipped a bit and was condemned. She collected the insurance, shored up the slope, and stayed. She put the house money into Cisco in the early nineties (possibly w. insider info) and is living happily ever after. The house was built on a north slope with a great view and terrible drainage; it shouldn’t have been built, but what a great investment!
On a grander scale, like Hong Kong, you’d think that buying thirty year old high-rises that needed complete workover and asbestos removal would be really moronic. Nevertheless, events turned out quite well for Larry Silverstein after he bought the Twin Towers. But maybe he just happens to be really lucky: that’s probably why he also developed skin problems on the morning of 9/11 and never made it to the office.
Like everything else, realty as a financial instrument is often worth more than its value as property. “Making them viable” is no longer a necessary condition for making them pay. Sometimes, I’m not even sure it’s sufficient.
I stayed at the Marriott by the Hong Kong airport a couple of years ago and looking out my room window I could see that they were adding onto the exposition center there, which is basically at sea level.
There is plenty of real estate further up hill off the island where the airport is located, but almost all the development I saw was at sea level.
utter nonsense.
The extent is 5th lowest…
Sorry….you’ve lost what minuscule credibility you’ve had…..UNRELIABLE!!
WRONG as ALWAYS, griff , there are > 9000 years of the last 10,000 that had considerably LESS sea ice extent than current.
You are a DECEITFUL LIAR
and a manic Climate Change Denier.
Thanks for prefacing your comment Ms Griff, it was indeed utter nonsense.
Why do you hate poor brown people?
“why are banks loaning developers money to build in Florida? ”
And why do villas in the Maldives, as sea level, cost $11million dollars !!